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posted on 24/1/20

Whilst I might be alone, I believe that given time, either by luck or design, the club will eventually start getting things right again. The right coach and 3 or 4 new quality additions to compliment DDG, AWB, Maguire, Williams, Fred, Pogba, McTominay, Rashford, Martial and Greenwood and things will suddenly look a whole lot brighter.

And in the meantime, let’s face it fellas, as bad as things appear, we haven’t had it too bad over the last 30 years or so have we?

So there are my thoughts on why we are where we are, and how I think we can begin to get back to where we want to be. So, go ahead and 1 star it, spam the thread, whatever you want. I’m not looking for agreement, argument or debate, I just wanted to get my genuine thoughts out there as I have admittedly got caught up in the silliness on here since my return, which I’m now putting and end to.

Glory Glory Man United 🔴⚫️⚪️


posted on 24/1/20

Woodward was thrown in at the deep end with little apparent support. He might not be the best, but he certainly isn’t one of the worst.

To

Player recruitment post SAF has generally been poor

posted on 24/1/20

Our managers pick the players we sign, although Woodward is responsible for the fees paid.

posted on 24/1/20

Transfers are only cosidered poor due to cost really. No-one will care if Minamino flops cos he was £7.2m.

As Ive said though, aside from signings, his sales record is atrocious and that's nothing to do with the manager.

posted on 24/1/20

And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?

posted on 24/1/20

Woodward is massively to blame, because it appears to be his ego which has stopped you getting in a DoF.

It was nearly 2 years ago when you were looking, what has happened in the meantime. Stop looking for excuses for him, he's the root cause.

posted on 24/1/20

More than 6 years and he still can’t find a DoF, but according to reports he’s easily managed to find a PR advisor to help his public image in the press within a few weeks.

posted on 24/1/20

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posted on 24/1/20

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
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I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?

posted on 24/1/20

I was listening to a pidcast that said Utd couldnt decide on what kind of director of football to have apparently.

So Juve's guy is there to butter up.agents and get deals done whilst City's is to take a 'holistic approach' (their words!) to the direction and development of the club.

In the end theyve done nothing.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 34 seconds ago
More than 6 years and he still can’t find a DoF, but according to reports he’s easily managed to find a PR advisor to help his public image in the press within a few weeks.
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He's not looking for a director of football though. If he wanted one, he could have one on days. Its clearly a model he doesn't agree with.
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Did they not say 18 months ago they were looking to appoint one?

He's not done so because he's an ego maniac that wants to continue to do that side as well because he obviously thinks it's easier to pick up than it is or because he fails to see he's rubbish at it. Mainly though it's so people talk about him

posted on 24/1/20

comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 34 seconds ago
More than 6 years and he still can’t find a DoF, but according to reports he’s easily managed to find a PR advisor to help his public image in the press within a few weeks.
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He's not looking for a director of football though. If he wanted one, he could have one on days. Its clearly a model he doesn't agree with.
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Did they not say 18 months ago they were looking to appoint one?

He's not done so because he's an ego maniac that wants to continue to do that side as well because he obviously thinks it's easier to pick up than it is or because he fails to see he's rubbish at it. Mainly though it's so people talk about him
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In sorry, but the ego thing is nonsense. What would boost Woodwards who more than a brilliant side winning trophy after trophy?

Woodward said hed consider the benefits of a DOF but has since said we have people that essentually
undertake the role already

posted on 24/1/20

GTW

You’re right, Ed doesn’t, and that’s clearly a big problem. The fact Ed an accountant with no footballing background thinks he can do the jobs while doing such a poor job for over 6 years clearly shows the problem.

The club came out saying they were looking into getting a DoF but that just seemed like them saying what the fans want to hear rather than actually doing it.

posted on 24/1/20

I'm just glad the OP isn't looking for agreement, argument or debate

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 34 seconds ago
More than 6 years and he still can’t find a DoF, but according to reports he’s easily managed to find a PR advisor to help his public image in the press within a few weeks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He's not looking for a director of football though. If he wanted one, he could have one on days. Its clearly a model he doesn't agree with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did they not say 18 months ago they were looking to appoint one?

He's not done so because he's an ego maniac that wants to continue to do that side as well because he obviously thinks it's easier to pick up than it is or because he fails to see he's rubbish at it. Mainly though it's so people talk about him
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In sorry, but the ego thing is nonsense. What would boost Woodwards who more than a brilliant side winning trophy after trophy?

Woodward said hed consider the benefits of a DOF but has since said we have people that essentually
undertake the role already
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This is what he meant.

There are people (me) who undertake that role already.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 4 minutes ago
GTW

You’re right, Ed doesn’t, and that’s clearly a big problem. The fact Ed an accountant with no footballing background thinks he can do the jobs while doing such a poor job for over 6 years clearly shows the problem.

The club came out saying they were looking into getting a DoF but that just seemed like them saying what the fans want to hear rather than actually doing it.
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Woodward said we have great people on the football side. It's not a case of Woodward running around faxing off bids then ironing the kit before negotiating a sponsor deal before putting the cones out for training.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 34 seconds ago
More than 6 years and he still can’t find a DoF, but according to reports he’s easily managed to find a PR advisor to help his public image in the press within a few weeks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He's not looking for a director of football though. If he wanted one, he could have one on days. Its clearly a model he doesn't agree with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did they not say 18 months ago they were looking to appoint one?

He's not done so because he's an ego maniac that wants to continue to do that side as well because he obviously thinks it's easier to pick up than it is or because he fails to see he's rubbish at it. Mainly though it's so people talk about him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In sorry, but the ego thing is nonsense. What would boost Woodwards who more than a brilliant side winning trophy after trophy?

Woodward said hed consider the benefits of a DOF but has since said we have people that essentually
undertake the role already
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is what he meant.

There are people (me) who undertake that role already.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

And you know this as fact how ?

posted on 24/1/20

Unfortunately, it would appear that the most vocal of match going Utd. fans don't remember much beyond the PL.

They have only known success under SAF, are now in unfamiliar territory and don't like how things are going. They are far too reactionary and lack any degree of patience.

It took Klopp nearly 4 years to build what he has, culminating in winning the CL and most probably the PL this season. The thing is though, everyone could see the direction he was taking the club and as such were willing to give him the time required.

I think Poch could do a similar job at Utd. given the time and backing, he would need at least 4 years. Levy & Co saw the direction poch was taking Sрuds and were willing to give him time but didn't give him the backing to keep the squad fresh.

I believe, with Poch you will again be an attractive proposition for players, with the likes of Kane being a real possibility and that is a worrying thing from a Liverpool point of view.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 34 seconds ago
More than 6 years and he still can’t find a DoF, but according to reports he’s easily managed to find a PR advisor to help his public image in the press within a few weeks.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

He's not looking for a director of football though. If he wanted one, he could have one on days. Its clearly a model he doesn't agree with.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Did they not say 18 months ago they were looking to appoint one?

He's not done so because he's an ego maniac that wants to continue to do that side as well because he obviously thinks it's easier to pick up than it is or because he fails to see he's rubbish at it. Mainly though it's so people talk about him
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In sorry, but the ego thing is nonsense. What would boost Woodwards who more than a brilliant side winning trophy after trophy?

Woodward said hed consider the benefits of a DOF but has since said we have people that essentually
undertake the role already
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This is what he meant.

There are people (me) who undertake that role already.
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And you know this as fact how ?
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Are you imagining things? I never said i know this as fact, i'm sharing an opinion on a forum

Though there is as much to back my opinion on his ego up as there is to back yours up, some might say more to back mine up

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
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I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?
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No, we managed to miss out on Klopp and Guardiola perfectly well anyway - we don’t need a Director of Football to assist us in that capacity, thank you very much.

posted on 24/1/20

Oh. OK. You did say it as a statement of fact.

'This is what he meant.' Is a statement of fact.

I think this is what he meant would be an opinion.

And I am happy to back up anything I have said re Woodward or the club.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we managed to miss out on Klopp and Guardiola perfectly well anyway - we don’t need a Director of Football to assist us in that capacity, thank you very much.
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Pepe had agreed to go to Batern whilst SAF was still in the job mate.

Apparently Klopp rejected us as he didnt want to take the big money, high pressure route.

posted on 24/1/20

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posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we managed to miss out on Klopp and Guardiola perfectly well anyway - we don’t need a Director of Football to assist us in that capacity, thank you very much.
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Pepe had agreed to go to Batern whilst SAF was still in the job mate.

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He hadn’t agreed to go to City, though. The point is that we haven’t been successful appointing managers without a DoF, so you’re essentially saying that having one might inhibit our ability to do what we already can’t do.

posted on 24/1/20

Im not sure Woodward will be there much longer.

Deloitte predict Liverpool may well overtake Utd in the money stakes by the end of next season. Utd spent 26 years building up such a gap on us and Woodward has nearly torn it all down in 7.

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