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posted on 24/1/20

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
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comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
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comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
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And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
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I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?
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No, we managed to miss out on Klopp and Guardiola perfectly well anyway - we don’t need a Director of Football to assist us in that capacity, thank you very much.
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Pepe had agreed to go to Batern whilst SAF was still in the job mate.

Apparently Klopp rejected us as he didnt want to take the big money, high pressure route.
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Or, he rejected you cos when he was contacted the whole "sell" of the club was more around the financial and business side of things, as opposed to football.
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Is there anything to support this beyond your opinion?

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Im not sure Woodward will be there much longer.

Deloitte predict Liverpool may well overtake Utd in the money stakes by the end of next season. Utd spent 26 years building up such a gap on us and Woodward has nearly torn it all down in 7.
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That's the bottom line

Any other industry he would have been replaced years ago

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
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I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?
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No, we managed to miss out on Klopp and Guardiola perfectly well anyway - we don’t need a Director of Football to assist us in that capacity, thank you very much.
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Pepe had agreed to go to Batern whilst SAF was still in the job mate.

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He hadn’t agreed to go to City, though. The point is that we haven’t been successful appointing managers without a DoF, so you’re essentially saying that having one might inhibit our ability to do what we already can’t do.

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That's very much down to timing. Why wouldnt we approach Pep at any point we need a manager and he was looking to move ?

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Im not sure Woodward will be there much longer.

Deloitte predict Liverpool may well overtake Utd in the money stakes by the end of next season. Utd spent 26 years building up such a gap on us and Woodward has nearly torn it all down in 7.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

That's the bottom line

Any other industry he would have been replaced years ago
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I think it just shows that the football side is actually very important.

If you go to Monday Night Club podcast on BBC: " Who is to blame for Man Utd" it's pretty damning.

Highlights how you HAVE to make the right calls on transfers and the old addage of "50% of transfers fail" is now outdated. Worth a listen anyway.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Im not sure Woodward will be there much longer.

Deloitte predict Liverpool may well overtake Utd in the money stakes by the end of next season. Utd spent 26 years building up such a gap on us and Woodward has nearly torn it all down in 7.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

That's the bottom line

Any other industry he would have been replaced years ago
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think it just shows that the football side is actually very important.

If you go to Monday Night Club podcast on BBC: " Who is to blame for Man Utd" it's pretty damning.

Highlights how you HAVE to make the right calls on transfers and the old addage of "50% of transfers fail" is now outdated. Worth a listen anyway.
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I dream of the day where 50 per cent of our transfers fail.

50 per cent? Luxury!

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 51 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Im not sure Woodward will be there much longer.

Deloitte predict Liverpool may well overtake Utd in the money stakes by the end of next season. Utd spent 26 years building up such a gap on us and Woodward has nearly torn it all down in 7.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

That's the bottom line

Any other industry he would have been replaced years ago
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think it just shows that the football side is actually very important.

If you go to Monday Night Club podcast on BBC: " Who is to blame for Man Utd" it's pretty damning.

Highlights how you HAVE to make the right calls on transfers and the old addage of "50% of transfers fail" is now outdated. Worth a listen anyway.
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I dream of the day where 50 per cent of our transfers fail.

50 per cent? Luxury!
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Haha it's mad how Woodward actually manages to lose money on players in this market if hyper inflation.

He said a couple of years ago "Utd dont have to win football matches to be commercially successful". I think that's going to come back and haunt him tbh. The chevrolet and addidas deals will decrease if Utd dont make the CL this season and if Liverpool do manage to overtake Utd financially that's insane.

posted on 24/1/20

That's very much down to timing. Why wouldnt we approach Pep at any point we need a manager and he was looking to move ?
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So, in the context of the debate, what you’re asking me is:

Why would a non-DoF United not approach the real Guardiola if he were available and we needed a manager, and would that situation be preferable to one where a hypothetical Guardiola hypothetically didn’t want to work with a hypothetical DoF?

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Roys Keane (U11635)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
Im not sure Woodward will be there much longer.

Deloitte predict Liverpool may well overtake Utd in the money stakes by the end of next season. Utd spent 26 years building up such a gap on us and Woodward has nearly torn it all down in 7.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

That's the bottom line

Any other industry he would have been replaced years ago
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There’s a lot of irony in a game where managers are often given just weeks to sort out teams, that the man ultimately responsible is pretty much immune from sacking.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
That's very much down to timing. Why wouldnt we approach Pep at any point we need a manager and he was looking to move ?
——————

So, in the context of the debate, what you’re asking me is:

Why would a non-DoF United not approach the real Guardiola if he were available and we needed a manager, and would that situation be preferable to one where a hypothetical Guardiola hypothetically didn’t want to work with a hypothetical DoF?
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No. I asked would you be prepared to miss out on the next SAF or PEP because they didnt want to work with a DOF?

I then asked why you think Woodward wouldnt have approached Pep re taking the managers job if he was available at the times we needed a new manager.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
That's very much down to timing. Why wouldnt we approach Pep at any point we need a manager and he was looking to move ?
——————

So, in the context of the debate, what you’re asking me is:

Why would a non-DoF United not approach the real Guardiola if he were available and we needed a manager, and would that situation be preferable to one where a hypothetical Guardiola hypothetically didn’t want to work with a hypothetical DoF?
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No. I asked would you be prepared to miss out on the next SAF or PEP because they didnt want to work with a DOF?

I then asked why you think Woodward wouldnt have approached Pep re taking the managers job if he was available at the times we needed a new manager.
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I never suggested Ed would not do the latter. I said that without a DoF we didn’t manage to get the real Klopp or Guardiola, for whatever reason, so speculating about hypothetical future Klopps and Guardiolas not wanting to work under future hypothetical DoFs, and using that as an argument against DoFs, is fairly pointless.

posted on 24/1/20

It isnt.

We didnt get Pep because hed already agreed a job by the time we needed a manager. Not because we messed up.

Even if the timing had been right, The presence of a DOF / the wrong DOF could have scuppered any deal. Would that have been worth having a DOF?

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we managed to miss out on Klopp and Guardiola perfectly well anyway - we don’t need a Director of Football to assist us in that capacity, thank you very much.
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Pepe had agreed to go to Batern whilst SAF was still in the job mate.

Apparently Klopp rejected us as he didnt want to take the big money, high pressure route.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Or, he rejected you cos when he was contacted the whole "sell" of the club was more around the financial and business side of things, as opposed to football.
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Is there anything to support this beyond your opinion?
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I was just offering an alternative to your opinion based around some reports. Ok?

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 1 minute ago
It isnt.

We didnt get Pep because hed already agreed a job by the time we needed a manager. Not because we messed up.

Even if the timing had been right, The presence of a DOF / the wrong DOF could have scuppered any deal. Would that have been worth having a DOF?
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But it’s too hypothetical You’re asking us to entertain a situation where a manager who doesn’t exist might turn us down because of a DoF who doesn’t exist. How can anyone possibly answer?

In any case, the real, actual Guardiola went to City largely because of their DoF. Not really a strong argument for not having one.

posted on 24/1/20

I suspect City got Pep because they brought in Begiristain, Soriano, revamped the youth system, revamped the training centre and had a clear project before getting Pep himself.

Utd brought in Matt Judge, an economics graduate from Bristol University.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
I suspect City got Pep because they brought in Begiristain, Soriano, revamped the youth system, revamped the training centre and had a clear project before getting Pep himself.

Utd brought in Matt Judge, an economics graduate from Bristol University.
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Who identifies City's targets and negotiates the deal?

posted on 24/1/20

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we managed to miss out on Klopp and Guardiola perfectly well anyway - we don’t need a Director of Football to assist us in that capacity, thank you very much.
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Pepe had agreed to go to Batern whilst SAF was still in the job mate.

Apparently Klopp rejected us as he didnt want to take the big money, high pressure route.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Or, he rejected you cos when he was contacted the whole "sell" of the club was more around the financial and business side of things, as opposed to football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Is there anything to support this beyond your opinion?
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I was just offering an alternative to your opinion based around some reports. Ok?
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My statement was fact though, not opinion.

posted on 24/1/20


Apparently Klopp rejected us as he didnt want to take the big money, high pressure route

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"Apparently"

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we managed to miss out on Klopp and Guardiola perfectly well anyway - we don’t need a Director of Football to assist us in that capacity, thank you very much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pepe had agreed to go to Batern whilst SAF was still in the job mate.

Apparently Klopp rejected us as he didnt want to take the big money, high pressure route.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Or, he rejected you cos when he was contacted the whole "sell" of the club was more around the financial and business side of things, as opposed to football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Is there anything to support this beyond your opinion?
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I was just offering an alternative to your opinion based around some reports. Ok?
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My statement was fact though, not opinion.
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So why did you use the word apparently?

posted on 24/1/20

And it isn't a fact, unless of course you can provide the evidence to back that up?

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
I suspect City got Pep because they brought in Begiristain, Soriano, revamped the youth system, revamped the training centre and had a clear project before getting Pep himself.

Utd brought in Matt Judge, an economics graduate from Bristol University.
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Who identifies City's targets and negotiates the deal?
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Begiristain gives Pep a list and Pep chooses apparently. So they wanted VVD and then moved onto Laporte.

Whatever City and Liverpool do they seem to get it right. Listen to that podcast I mentioned earlier. As said if Liverpool overtake Utd financially then that's mental really.

posted on 24/1/20

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posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we managed to miss out on Klopp and Guardiola perfectly well anyway - we don’t need a Director of Football to assist us in that capacity, thank you very much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pepe had agreed to go to Batern whilst SAF was still in the job mate.

Apparently Klopp rejected us as he didnt want to take the big money, high pressure route.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Or, he rejected you cos when he was contacted the whole "sell" of the club was more around the financial and business side of things, as opposed to football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Is there anything to support this beyond your opinion?
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I was just offering an alternative to your opinion based around some reports. Ok?
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My statement was fact though, not opinion.
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So why did you use the word apparently?
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Because I didnt have a link but that was my understanding.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 5 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
And who’s responsible for us being left with a squad consisting of a mix of styles that don’t really gel or work for any manager because we still refuse to get in a DoF who can bring consistency to our squad and hire managers who will compliment him and the players he buys?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I think there are as many cons to a DOF as there are Pros personally.

For example, would you be happy to miss out on the next SAF or Guardiola if they weren't prepared to work with a DOF ?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

No, we managed to miss out on Klopp and Guardiola perfectly well anyway - we don’t need a Director of Football to assist us in that capacity, thank you very much.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pepe had agreed to go to Batern whilst SAF was still in the job mate.

Apparently Klopp rejected us as he didnt want to take the big money, high pressure route.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Or, he rejected you cos when he was contacted the whole "sell" of the club was more around the financial and business side of things, as opposed to football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Is there anything to support this beyond your opinion?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

I was just offering an alternative to your opinion based around some reports. Ok?
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My statement was fact though, not opinion.
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So why did you use the word apparently?
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Because I didnt have a link but that was my understanding.
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So your understanding is now fact?

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
I suspect City got Pep because they brought in Begiristain, Soriano, revamped the youth system, revamped the training centre and had a clear project before getting Pep himself.

Utd brought in Matt Judge, an economics graduate from Bristol University.
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Who identifies City's targets and negotiates the deal?
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Begiristain gives Pep a list and Pep chooses apparently. So they wanted VVD and then moved onto Laporte.

Whatever City and Liverpool do they seem to get it right. Listen to that podcast I mentioned earlier. As said if Liverpool overtake Utd financially then that's mental really.
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And who identifies these players on Bergisteins list?

posted on 24/1/20

Yes. I understand that to be fact.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Reddevilsdouble II (U22313)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
I suspect City got Pep because they brought in Begiristain, Soriano, revamped the youth system, revamped the training centre and had a clear project before getting Pep himself.

Utd brought in Matt Judge, an economics graduate from Bristol University.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Who identifies City's targets and negotiates the deal?
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Begiristain gives Pep a list and Pep chooses apparently. So they wanted VVD and then moved onto Laporte.

Whatever City and Liverpool do they seem to get it right. Listen to that podcast I mentioned earlier. As said if Liverpool overtake Utd financially then that's mental really.
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And who identifies these players on Bergisteins list?
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Guardiola

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