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Is Ole a sellout?

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posted on 24/1/20

comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baz ta’rd (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
I always suspected that Pogba was an Ed buy, rather than Jose, for commercial reasons. Might be completely wrong though.
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It was both. Sanchez too. The thing with Jose is he blows hot and always for readymade players. Pogba was one of the few that was also young. Jose believes in getting world class players first them putting them in his system to make them work.
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The excitement by fans was next level on those signings

Now it's a stick to beat the club and likes of Ed

That's my point I guess.
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Oh I understand. Money HAS been spent. Many fans want more to be spent which tbh it's what 'the big clubs" do to sustain their success.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
Either way though, I don’t think he should have said anything good about Ed or the Glazers as it does make him look like a yes man, a lackey. I’m sure he does feel exasperated by the situation. His silence about them could be seen as a protest in itself. By defending them and Ed it really doesn’t help the situation.

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I do have to ask, seeing that the Glazers are not going anywhere, what benefit do you think his protest will do. Fergie, Charlton, butt, all our legends have kept shut. Jose and LvG who made a fuss where sacked. The supporters protested and kept quiet.

I come from a country where the peoples voice go unheard, and the way to succeed in this environment is to work the system. Which is why I'm backing Ole. He's Patient. No manager in world is going to be this patient. He's also steadfast in his plans. He's still going to get rid of players who aren't good enough because it's the right thing to do. Stuck with his formation because in the long term it's the right thing to do.

Unless the supporters intend to stage actual riots or go beg some sheik to pony up 4 billion to buy us, we have to start thinking.

4th does not matter, our history, records don't matter, we are in faked up situation which changing managers every 18 months will never solve.
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It shows just how bad things are when the nicest thing someone can say about a United manager is that he’s ‘patient’


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In this climate it's the only thing that matters, also unquestioned love for the club. You keep mocking me about OLE but I'll keep saying it, for where we are in terms of ownership and management he his the only one that can offer the most permanently solution.
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But he’s not the only one

It’s weird you think that
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Name one manager you think would be able to work in this conditions and I'll back him to the hilt.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 1 minute ago
Either way though, I don’t think he should have said anything good about Ed or the Glazers as it does make him look like a yes man, a lackey. I’m sure he does feel exasperated by the situation. His silence about them could be seen as a protest in itself. By defending them and Ed it really doesn’t help the situation.

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I do have to ask, seeing that the Glazers are not going anywhere, what benefit do you think his protest will do. Fergie, Charlton, butt, all our legends have kept shut. Jose and LvG who made a fuss where sacked. The supporters protested and kept quiet.

I come from a country where the peoples voice go unheard, and the way to succeed in this environment is to work the system. Which is why I'm backing Ole. He's Patient. No manager in world is going to be this patient. He's also steadfast in his plans. He's still going to get rid of players who aren't good enough because it's the right thing to do. Stuck with his formation because in the long term it's the right thing to do.

Unless the supporters intend to stage actual riots or go beg some sheik to pony up 4 billion to buy us, we have to start thinking.

4th does not matter, our history, records don't matter, we are in faked up situation which changing managers every 18 months will never solve.
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It shows just how bad things are when the nicest thing someone can say about a United manager is that he’s ‘patient’


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In this climate it's the only thing that matters, also unquestioned love for the club. You keep mocking me about OLE but I'll keep saying it, for where we are in terms of ownership and management he his the only one that can offer the most permanently solution.
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But he’s not the only one

It’s weird you think that
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Name one manager you think would be able to work in this conditions and I'll back him to the hilt.
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I could probably name 100 managers - and 100 would do it better

But one in particular is Pochetino- had his own Ed in Levy and managed to make a wastrel Spurs side ultra competitive while actually having an identifiable playing style. Took his side to a CL final while not only playing most of the season away from home and also after a summer of spending zero money.

posted on 24/1/20

I’ve heard Ole is a witch too. And he voted Tory at the election!!

BURN HIM!!!!

Seriously Robb, you need to get off the fence and tell everyone where you sit in the Ole in/out debate..........

posted on 24/1/20

For millions a year i would sell out as well. Especially for something as trivial as who owns a football club.

cant be blamed for that

posted on 24/1/20

“As a club we've got to stick together, we've got to be united, we are a family.“

Seems to me a pretty diplomatic way of moving from specific (Glazers) to generality (United) so as not to have to openly comment on the Glazers.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by LegendOsgood (U7946)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 13 minutes ago
Osgood

Imagine if the Glazers hadn’t bought the club by putting us in hundreds of millions of pounds of debt which they still haven’t paid off and taken over a billion pounds for themselves. People act like before the Glazers took over United were some small club who never made any money. I’m pretty sure had the Glazers not bought us we would still be one of the richest clubs on the planet, I mean we were by far the richest club on the planet when they did takeover us.
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And you are still one of the richest clubs on the planet or, should they have spent that billion they took out, on transfers to make it nearly 3 billion on transfers in the last 6 yrs, would that appease everyone
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Whilst they’ve taken that £1bn out, they haven’t spent *a penny* of new money on developing or redeveloping Old Trafford, other than to meet new FA and PL regulations. Not. A. Single. New. Penny.

Let that sink in a minute.

Spurs’ new stadium - an entirely new state of the art stadium - situated in London, cost about £1bn. Imagine what could have been done in Manchester.

posted on 24/1/20

They could have cut the season ticket prices or binned the disgraceful ACT system.

They could have spent money on grassroots football in Manchester.

They could have ploughed money into the Academy system.

There are scores of things they could have done to invest in the club, the community and the fans.

Unfortunately, they don’t give a flying fack about any of those things.

posted on 24/1/20

This is desperate even by your standards, Rob.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 24/1/20

comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LegendOsgood (U7946)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 13 minutes ago
Osgood

Imagine if the Glazers hadn’t bought the club by putting us in hundreds of millions of pounds of debt which they still haven’t paid off and taken over a billion pounds for themselves. People act like before the Glazers took over United were some small club who never made any money. I’m pretty sure had the Glazers not bought us we would still be one of the richest clubs on the planet, I mean we were by far the richest club on the planet when they did takeover us.
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And you are still one of the richest clubs on the planet or, should they have spent that billion they took out, on transfers to make it nearly 3 billion on transfers in the last 6 yrs, would that appease everyone
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Whilst they’ve taken that £1bn out, they haven’t spent *a penny* of new money on developing or redeveloping Old Trafford, other than to meet new FA and PL regulations. Not. A. Single. New. Penny.

Let that sink in a minute.

Spurs’ new stadium - an entirely new state of the art stadium - situated in London, cost about £1bn. Imagine what could have been done in Manchester.
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My understanding is that we have gradually been buying up land around Old Trafford as it has become available. Whilst the railway has always caused problems developing the SBC stand, the purchasing of this land would allow for a new and bigger stadium to be built on site.

posted on 24/1/20

Jesus Christ robb this is called scraping the bottom of the barrel.

posted on 24/1/20

Robb that you think Pochettino after leaving what may be an even worse situation wants to come to this, Is delusional to the highest.

posted on 24/1/20

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posted on 24/1/20

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LegendOsgood (U7946)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 13 minutes ago
Osgood

Imagine if the Glazers hadn’t bought the club by putting us in hundreds of millions of pounds of debt which they still haven’t paid off and taken over a billion pounds for themselves. People act like before the Glazers took over United were some small club who never made any money. I’m pretty sure had the Glazers not bought us we would still be one of the richest clubs on the planet, I mean we were by far the richest club on the planet when they did takeover us.
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And you are still one of the richest clubs on the planet or, should they have spent that billion they took out, on transfers to make it nearly 3 billion on transfers in the last 6 yrs, would that appease everyone
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Whilst they’ve taken that £1bn out, they haven’t spent *a penny* of new money on developing or redeveloping Old Trafford, other than to meet new FA and PL regulations. Not. A. Single. New. Penny.

Let that sink in a minute.

Spurs’ new stadium - an entirely new state of the art stadium - situated in London, cost about £1bn. Imagine what could have been done in Manchester.
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My understanding is that we have gradually been buying up land around Old Trafford as it has become available. Whilst the railway has always caused problems developing the SBC stand, the purchasing of this land would allow for a new and bigger stadium to be built on site.
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I’m aware of an £8m purchase in 2011. Anything else?

I’ve seen it suggested that an arena might be built on that land which could be used for various different types of sporting and cultural events and exhibitions. But nothing has happened to date, and I’m not aware of any plans being submitted.

If the we build a new stadium under the Glazers’ ownership, I will eat my Norwich City scarf

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 54 seconds ago
Robb that you think Pochettino after leaving what may be an even worse situation wants to come to this, Is delusional to the highest.
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It’s no more delusional than you thinking Ole is the only one who can manage United right now

posted on 24/1/20

comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
They could have cut the season ticket prices or binned the disgraceful ACT system.

They could have spent money on grassroots football in Manchester.

They could have ploughed money into the Academy system.

There are scores of things they could have done to invest in the club, the community and the fans.

Unfortunately, they don’t give a flying fack about any of those things.
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Why should they? they are business owners, thats why you purchase businesses, make and take money.

posted on 24/1/20

It’s no more delusional than you thinking Ole is the only one who can manage United right now
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no one can manage United, right now, to the standards expected., under the current circumstances.

This has already been determined as we have had 3 capable managers drummed out of the club in the last few years. Ole is No4 in waiting.

However, Ole is probably the best candidate to manage United, under the circumstances. He will do no worse that anybody else.

Under the circumstances.

posted on 24/1/20

However, Ole is probably the best candidate to manage United, under the circumstances. He will do no worse that anybody else.

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That’s stupid though as he is doing worse than the previous managers. Under the circumstances many managers could come in and do better than he is. It’s such a con to think he’s the only one.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by R9 (U22327)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
They could have cut the season ticket prices or binned the disgraceful ACT system.

They could have spent money on grassroots football in Manchester.

They could have ploughed money into the Academy system.

There are scores of things they could have done to invest in the club, the community and the fans.

Unfortunately, they don’t give a flying fack about any of those things.
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Why should they? they are business owners, thats why you purchase businesses, make and take money.


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But not all business owners take the same approach. Some are more concerned about brand value and invest more in things that generate good will, loyalty, etc. in the longer term. We're already seeing the signs of United slipping behind, not just in sporting terms, but also in terms of stadium experience, customer satisfaction, and all of these feeding into our sinking commercial position relative to our rivals. Even the majority of owners who are purely interested in financial returns take a more enlightened view of protecting and growing their assets than the Glazers.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 2 minutes ago
It’s no more delusional than you thinking Ole is the only one who can manage United right now
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no one can manage United, right now, to the standards expected., under the current circumstances.

This has already been determined as we have had 3 capable managers drummed out of the club in the last few years. Ole is No4 in waiting.

However, Ole is probably the best candidate to manage United, under the circumstances. He will do no worse that anybody else.

Under the circumstances.
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It amazes me people can actually still say this despite all the evidence to the contrary.

I’m going to savour it, though. I won’t see the same level of delusion once he’s gone. Maybe until Giggs gets it one day.

posted on 24/1/20

It’s such a con to think he’s the only one.
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i have just told you he isn't the only one.

No one can.

Even Ole.

Many managers could come in and do a similar job to Ole. Either way that wont be up to the standards that most people will expect at United.

The failure will continue no matter what, until the problem is identified by the owners and then eradicated.

posted on 24/1/20

You should definitely give it Giggsy.

Maybe till end of season.

posted on 24/1/20

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posted on 24/1/20

comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 34 seconds ago
However, Ole is probably the best candidate to manage United, under the circumstances. He will do no worse that anybody else.

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That’s stupid though as he is doing worse than the previous managers. Under the circumstances many managers could come in and do better than he is. It’s such a con to think he’s the only one.
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I haven't seen anyone argue that he's the only one. Most have cautioned at the dangers of further disruption with yet another change in strategy in order to bring in another manager who will again be hamstrung by severe structural inadequacies.

There's an argument to be made that the incompetence of the last few years have had a cumulative effect - the more bad decisions and changes in philosophy, the worse the squad became - and it was unlikely we'd see immediate improvements (but almost impossible with the injuries we've had).

Who knows. You may be proved right.

posted on 24/1/20

comment by Cal Neva - Lisa For Leader (U11544)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Tiddles (U17634)
posted 42 seconds ago
You should definitely give it Giggsy.

Maybe till end of season.
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Why have another gamble at it ?
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You’re asking a Liverpool fan why united should continue to gamble with their managerial position?

I gotta say why the hell not.

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