comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 34 seconds ago
However, Ole is probably the best candidate to manage United, under the circumstances. He will do no worse that anybody else.
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That’s stupid though as he is doing worse than the previous managers. Under the circumstances many managers could come in and do better than he is. It’s such a con to think he’s the only one.
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I haven't seen anyone argue that he's the only one. Most have cautioned at the dangers of further disruption with yet another change in strategy in order to bring in another manager who will again be hamstrung by severe structural inadequacies.
There's an argument to be made that the incompetence of the last few years have had a cumulative effect - the more bad decisions and changes in philosophy, the worse the squad became - and it was unlikely we'd see immediate improvements (but almost impossible with the injuries we've had).
Who knows. You may be proved right.
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His own managerial structural inadequacies have hamstrung him - to add that to a club with such a handicap already hanging over it was a recipe for disaster
comment by R9 (U22327)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
They could have cut the season ticket prices or binned the disgraceful ACT system.
They could have spent money on grassroots football in Manchester.
They could have ploughed money into the Academy system.
There are scores of things they could have done to invest in the club, the community and the fans.
Unfortunately, they don’t give a flying fack about any of those things.
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Why should they? they are business owners, thats why you purchase businesses, make and take money.
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And United is failing as business, so fire the man in charge and get someone in that can do it better.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-17/manchester-united-is-the-general-electric-of-football
Of c he may just believe what he says.
This could make him mistaken but not a yes man.
Inconceivable though it seems, he could even be right.
LVG was the only United manager, post-Fergie, worth listening to. The rest have been painful.
This thread has reminded me of a great Reel Big Fish song
https://youtu.be/AEKbFMvkLIc
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
It’s more that if I didn’t know any better I’d assume he was managing Bournemouth, when reading his comments.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
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Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
You obviously didn’t watch us much under LVG.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
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Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
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I do think that if LVG had stayed another year, we would probably be in a better shape now. One of our main problems has been jumping from one type of manager to another instead of choosing ones that share similar styles. It has left us with an unbalanced squad.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
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Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
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I do think that if LVG had stayed another year, we would probably be in a better shape now. One of our main problems has been jumping from one type of manager to another instead of choosing ones that share similar styles. It has left us with an unbalanced squad.
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There’s no evidence to help your claim as he regressed from his first season and the football was dire.
Doubt it, we’d have ended up with Giggs.
I cant think of a team that was more boring to watch than us under LVG.
More entertainment was found whist watching paint dry.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
You obviously didn’t watch us much under LVG.
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Who was more successful at implementing their philosophy?
As opposed to the football not being dire under......
it was even better under moyes than lvg.
Im certain he told players not to cross the half way line most of time.
The only consistent theme with LVG was that we’d pass the ball around a lot between our defenders, keeper and defensive midfielders. There was no consistent philosophy in the way we played as there was so much change between personnel, formations and tactical set ups in his two years at the club.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
Mourinho
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Performances and results show this to be the case. LVG’s philosophy wasn’t implemented as successfully. By the end you were often left wonder what it was. At least with Mourinho you know what you are getting.
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do think that if LVG had stayed another year, we would probably be in a better shape now. One of our main problems has been jumping from one type of manager to another instead of choosing ones that share similar styles. It has left us with an unbalanced squad.
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There’s no evidence to help your claim as he regressed from his first season and the football was dire.
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I was talking about the state of the club/squad Robb. The change to Jose was just like a new start. Had Jose taken another job and we replaced LVG at the end of 3 years as planned, we would likely (possibly) have had a more modern coach who wouldn't have signed/played a load of giants.
comment by R9 (U22327)
posted 54 minutes ago
I cant think of a team that was more boring to watch than us under LVG.
More entertainment was found whist watching paint dry.
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That Leicester game was the killer. After that we became much less entertaining to watch.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do think that if LVG had stayed another year, we would probably be in a better shape now. One of our main problems has been jumping from one type of manager to another instead of choosing ones that share similar styles. It has left us with an unbalanced squad.
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There’s no evidence to help your claim as he regressed from his first season and the football was dire.
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I was talking about the state of the club/squad Robb. The change to Jose was just like a new start. Had Jose taken another job and we replaced LVG at the end of 3 years as planned, we would likely (possibly) have had a more modern coach who wouldn't have signed/played a load of giants.
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Why would you think the squad would be better? Jose had to clear out a lot of LVGs dross when he took over. If LVG had another season no doubt the next manager would have to have done even more clearing out than Jose had to do
we would likely (possibly) have had a more modern coach
———
None of our managerial appointments suggest this would be the case.
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do think that if LVG had stayed another year, we would probably be in a better shape now. One of our main problems has been jumping from one type of manager to another instead of choosing ones that share similar styles. It has left us with an unbalanced squad.
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There’s no evidence to help your claim as he regressed from his first season and the football was dire.
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I was talking about the state of the club/squad Robb. The change to Jose was just like a new start. Had Jose taken another job and we replaced LVG at the end of 3 years as planned, we would likely (possibly) have had a more modern coach who wouldn't have signed/played a load of giants.
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Why would you think the squad would be better? Jose had to clear out a lot of LVGs dross when he took over. If LVG had another season no doubt the next manager would have to have done even more clearing out than Jose had to do
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I think that it would have been more in-sync with what a traditional United squad looks like. Jose didn't sign United players for me on the whole.
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posted on 24/1/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 34 seconds ago
However, Ole is probably the best candidate to manage United, under the circumstances. He will do no worse that anybody else.
———-
That’s stupid though as he is doing worse than the previous managers. Under the circumstances many managers could come in and do better than he is. It’s such a con to think he’s the only one.
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I haven't seen anyone argue that he's the only one. Most have cautioned at the dangers of further disruption with yet another change in strategy in order to bring in another manager who will again be hamstrung by severe structural inadequacies.
There's an argument to be made that the incompetence of the last few years have had a cumulative effect - the more bad decisions and changes in philosophy, the worse the squad became - and it was unlikely we'd see immediate improvements (but almost impossible with the injuries we've had).
Who knows. You may be proved right.
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His own managerial structural inadequacies have hamstrung him - to add that to a club with such a handicap already hanging over it was a recipe for disaster
posted on 24/1/20
comment by R9 (U22327)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 16 minutes ago
They could have cut the season ticket prices or binned the disgraceful ACT system.
They could have spent money on grassroots football in Manchester.
They could have ploughed money into the Academy system.
There are scores of things they could have done to invest in the club, the community and the fans.
Unfortunately, they don’t give a flying fack about any of those things.
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Why should they? they are business owners, thats why you purchase businesses, make and take money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And United is failing as business, so fire the man in charge and get someone in that can do it better.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-17/manchester-united-is-the-general-electric-of-football
posted on 24/1/20
Of c he may just believe what he says.
This could make him mistaken but not a yes man.
Inconceivable though it seems, he could even be right.
posted on 24/1/20
LVG was the only United manager, post-Fergie, worth listening to. The rest have been painful.
posted on 24/1/20
This thread has reminded me of a great Reel Big Fish song
https://youtu.be/AEKbFMvkLIc
posted on 24/1/20
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
posted on 24/1/20
It’s more that if I didn’t know any better I’d assume he was managing Bournemouth, when reading his comments.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
posted on 24/1/20
You obviously didn’t watch us much under LVG.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do think that if LVG had stayed another year, we would probably be in a better shape now. One of our main problems has been jumping from one type of manager to another instead of choosing ones that share similar styles. It has left us with an unbalanced squad.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do think that if LVG had stayed another year, we would probably be in a better shape now. One of our main problems has been jumping from one type of manager to another instead of choosing ones that share similar styles. It has left us with an unbalanced squad.
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There’s no evidence to help your claim as he regressed from his first season and the football was dire.
posted on 24/1/20
Doubt it, we’d have ended up with Giggs.
posted on 24/1/20
I cant think of a team that was more boring to watch than us under LVG.
More entertainment was found whist watching paint dry.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 9 minutes ago
You obviously didn’t watch us much under LVG.
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Who was more successful at implementing their philosophy?
posted on 24/1/20
As opposed to the football not being dire under......
posted on 24/1/20
Mourinho
posted on 24/1/20
it was even better under moyes than lvg.
Im certain he told players not to cross the half way line most of time.
posted on 24/1/20
The only consistent theme with LVG was that we’d pass the ball around a lot between our defenders, keeper and defensive midfielders. There was no consistent philosophy in the way we played as there was so much change between personnel, formations and tactical set ups in his two years at the club.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
Mourinho
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posted on 24/1/20
Performances and results show this to be the case. LVG’s philosophy wasn’t implemented as successfully. By the end you were often left wonder what it was. At least with Mourinho you know what you are getting.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do think that if LVG had stayed another year, we would probably be in a better shape now. One of our main problems has been jumping from one type of manager to another instead of choosing ones that share similar styles. It has left us with an unbalanced squad.
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There’s no evidence to help your claim as he regressed from his first season and the football was dire.
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I was talking about the state of the club/squad Robb. The change to Jose was just like a new start. Had Jose taken another job and we replaced LVG at the end of 3 years as planned, we would likely (possibly) have had a more modern coach who wouldn't have signed/played a load of giants.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by R9 (U22327)
posted 54 minutes ago
I cant think of a team that was more boring to watch than us under LVG.
More entertainment was found whist watching paint dry.
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That Leicester game was the killer. After that we became much less entertaining to watch.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do think that if LVG had stayed another year, we would probably be in a better shape now. One of our main problems has been jumping from one type of manager to another instead of choosing ones that share similar styles. It has left us with an unbalanced squad.
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There’s no evidence to help your claim as he regressed from his first season and the football was dire.
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I was talking about the state of the club/squad Robb. The change to Jose was just like a new start. Had Jose taken another job and we replaced LVG at the end of 3 years as planned, we would likely (possibly) have had a more modern coach who wouldn't have signed/played a load of giants.
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Why would you think the squad would be better? Jose had to clear out a lot of LVGs dross when he took over. If LVG had another season no doubt the next manager would have to have done even more clearing out than Jose had to do
posted on 24/1/20
we would likely (possibly) have had a more modern coach
———
None of our managerial appointments suggest this would be the case.
posted on 24/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 6 minutes ago
Agree Mason.
Tbf it's difficult for most.
First of all Ole isn't talking in his own language, he's good but may miss some nuance.
Second he doesn't want to be slagging the owners off, he has to work with theM
Third, he has to keep the squad and players happy.
Fourth he wants to give some encouragement to the fans.
All in all, not easy.
Agree LvG was the best, he was old enough not to care; he said what he though, plus was funny.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also was the most successful in terms of implementing a philosophy. Only to be sacked before it could come to fruition.
To think if that season had been a little less boring he might have got to finish the job. His vision was the most exciting too.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I do think that if LVG had stayed another year, we would probably be in a better shape now. One of our main problems has been jumping from one type of manager to another instead of choosing ones that share similar styles. It has left us with an unbalanced squad.
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There’s no evidence to help your claim as he regressed from his first season and the football was dire.
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I was talking about the state of the club/squad Robb. The change to Jose was just like a new start. Had Jose taken another job and we replaced LVG at the end of 3 years as planned, we would likely (possibly) have had a more modern coach who wouldn't have signed/played a load of giants.
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Why would you think the squad would be better? Jose had to clear out a lot of LVGs dross when he took over. If LVG had another season no doubt the next manager would have to have done even more clearing out than Jose had to do
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I think that it would have been more in-sync with what a traditional United squad looks like. Jose didn't sign United players for me on the whole.
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