Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
He does need players, absolutely but he hasn’t shown he can get the best out of what he’s got and his signings have been mixed.
I’m a fan of Pochetino (if you haven’t heard) and feel he’s exactly what we need.
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Older viewers plenty of United managers being sacked for not being good enough.
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Most were given time though. Frank OFarrell and Wilf were really bad though.
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Frank O'Farell had no chance, Besty was out of control and the rest of the team were past their best. Wilf McGuiness just seemed like a really nice guy that was talked into taking the team because he was a good trainer... he should have said no
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posted 4 minutes ago
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
He does need players, absolutely but he hasn’t shown he can get the best out of what he’s got and his signings have been mixed.
I’m a fan of Pochetino (if you haven’t heard) and feel he’s exactly what we need.
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How long does Pochetino get if we're fifth after a year?
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
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He has $hitty players in his squad you thick . Also there have been games where we have played some very good attacking football.
Your hero Klopp had the very same issues when he arrived in dipperville. We have already been through this on another thread with you.
This is RDD stuff Nobb.
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comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
He does need players, absolutely but he hasn’t shown he can get the best out of what he’s got and his signings have been mixed.
I’m a fan of Pochetino (if you haven’t heard) and feel he’s exactly what we need.
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How long does Pochetino get if we're fifth after a year?
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It all depends on if he’s shown he has an identifiable style of play and there are bright signs for the future
Things we don’t have with Ole. In fact it’s getting worse - not all his fault as it wasn’t with the other managers but he’s still failing at the basics. I’d be stunned if he lasted past February at this rate
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posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
He does need players, absolutely but he hasn’t shown he can get the best out of what he’s got and his signings have been mixed.
I’m a fan of Pochetino (if you haven’t heard) and feel he’s exactly what we need.
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How long does Pochetino get if we're fifth after a year?
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It all depends on if he’s shown he has an identifiable style of play and there are bright signs for the future
Things we don’t have with Ole. In fact it’s getting worse - not all his fault as it wasn’t with the other managers but he’s still failing at the basics. I’d be stunned if he lasted past February at this rate
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I like Wan Bissaka, Dan James should have played half the games he has, but he'll be a good player and Maguire's been ok-ish. That's 70% for me.
He could have done without McTominay and Pogba's injuries because the midfield cover is poor.
Bringing Brandon Williams through had been excellent, he'll be a superstar, and he's getting the best out of Rashford.
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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The good stuff doesn’t fit with his agenda.
When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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The good stuff doesn’t fit with his agenda.
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Thing is, we're all disappointed at the moment, and the Burnley game was beyond horrible, but if people are expecting someone else to come in and sprinkle fairy dust over this lot they're off their heads. The team needs better investment, the last three managers have bought a lot of rubbish and very few gems.
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posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
He does need players, absolutely but he hasn’t shown he can get the best out of what he’s got and his signings have been mixed.
I’m a fan of Pochetino (if you haven’t heard) and feel he’s exactly what we need.
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How long does Pochetino get if we're fifth after a year?
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It all depends on if he’s shown he has an identifiable style of play and there are bright signs for the future
Things we don’t have with Ole. In fact it’s getting worse - not all his fault as it wasn’t with the other managers but he’s still failing at the basics. I’d be stunned if he lasted past February at this rate
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I like Wan Bissaka, Dan James should have played half the games he has, but he'll be a good player and Maguire's been ok-ish. That's 70% for me.
He could have done without McTominay and Pogba's injuries because the midfield cover is poor.
Bringing Brandon Williams through had been excellent, he'll be a superstar, and he's getting the best out of Rashford.
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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I think he was never good enough for us and I understand why fans are behind him more than other managers of recent times but I just can’t see him lasting long at all. Now Rash is out - a guy who has almost single handedly saved our season - unless we make some signings I can’t see him lasting
Time will tell. Either way, I’m not too miserable. Liverpool got their good manager and within years it was a lot better than what had come before. I’m sure things will improve with a better manager - hopefully we get better higher ups too
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I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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The good stuff doesn’t fit with his agenda.
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Thing is, we're all disappointed at the moment, and the Burnley game was beyond horrible, but if people are expecting someone else to come in and sprinkle fairy dust over this lot they're off their heads. The team needs better investment, the last three managers have bought a lot of rubbish and very few gems.
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But by saying that you’re implying that Ole is the only/best person for the job
Is there any logical reason why he is a better choice than the hundreds of better and more qualified managers other than United DNA?
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When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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The good stuff doesn’t fit with his agenda.
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Thing is, we're all disappointed at the moment, and the Burnley game was beyond horrible, but if people are expecting someone else to come in and sprinkle fairy dust over this lot they're off their heads. The team needs better investment, the last three managers have bought a lot of rubbish and very few gems.
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But by saying that you’re implying that Ole is the only/best person for the job
Is there any logical reason why he is a better choice than the hundreds of better and more qualified managers other than United DNA?
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No, not at all, I'm just not for getting rid of a manager after a year. I'd rather give him to the end of the season and see if it's working, if there's no improvement between now and May he'll be in trouble.
If we don't sign anyone in the next week he'll have no chance.
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posted 3 minutes ago
When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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posted 2 minutes ago
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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The good stuff doesn’t fit with his agenda.
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Thing is, we're all disappointed at the moment, and the Burnley game was beyond horrible, but if people are expecting someone else to come in and sprinkle fairy dust over this lot they're off their heads. The team needs better investment, the last three managers have bought a lot of rubbish and very few gems.
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But by saying that you’re implying that Ole is the only/best person for the job
Is there any logical reason why he is a better choice than the hundreds of better and more qualified managers other than United DNA?
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No, not at all, I'm just not for getting rid of a manager after a year. I'd rather give him to the end of the season and see if it's working, if there's no improvement between now and May he'll be in trouble.
If we don't sign anyone in the next week he'll have no chance.
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I do hope something comes in
We’ve been linked with Tevez of all people. Very strange. I just hope we can get past Tranmere on Sunday. Not so much result wise as I’d hope we could beat a league one side - but their pitch is awful. An injury or three just waiting to happen
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When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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St Mirren
Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977, discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[34] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
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When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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St Mirren
Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977, discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[34] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
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So you'd have kept Fergie on the basis that he'd won titles in a different country. Fair enough.
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When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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St Mirren
Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977, discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[34] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
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So you'd have kept Fergie on the basis that he'd won titles in a different country. Fair enough.
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I can't say what I would've done honestly. However it's completely different to the OGS situation. The level of success Ferguson had acheived (at unfancied clubs) in his career prior to joining was incredible. He was some of the hottest managerial property around
That rightfully buys a manager a lot more time.
The chances of OGS becoming a success at United would be no better than say Teddy Sheringham while the chances of Ferguson being a success (not to the insane extent he was but what you'd hope to achieve with the right manager now) would be 50/50 at least.
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When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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St Mirren
Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977, discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[34] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
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So you'd have kept Fergie on the basis that he'd won titles in a different country. Fair enough.
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I can't say what I would've done honestly. However it's completely different to the OGS situation. The level of success Ferguson had acheived (at unfancied clubs) in his career prior to joining was incredible. He was some of the hottest managerial property around
That rightfully buys a manager a lot more time.
The chances of OGS becoming a success at United would be no better than say Teddy Sheringham while the chances of Ferguson being a success (not to the insane extent he was but what you'd hope to achieve with the right manager now) would be 50/50 at least.
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You wouldn't have thought that before he started winning stuff, you'd have wanted him out. It took four years to turn the corner. Then the recruitment improved and we fell lucky that Giggs and Sharpe were so good.
Good that you saw all that coming though 👍
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When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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St Mirren
Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977, discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[34] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
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So you'd have kept Fergie on the basis that he'd won titles in a different country. Fair enough.
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I can't say what I would've done honestly. However it's completely different to the OGS situation. The level of success Ferguson had acheived (at unfancied clubs) in his career prior to joining was incredible. He was some of the hottest managerial property around
That rightfully buys a manager a lot more time.
The chances of OGS becoming a success at United would be no better than say Teddy Sheringham while the chances of Ferguson being a success (not to the insane extent he was but what you'd hope to achieve with the right manager now) would be 50/50 at least.
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You wouldn't have thought that before he started winning stuff, you'd have wanted him out. It took four years to turn the corner. Then the recruitment improved and we fell lucky that Giggs and Sharpe were so good.
Good that you saw all that coming though 👍
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You're in this weird denial clearly. Before joining Fergie had led teams with lots of youth to success
"The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20."
It's nothing to do with seeing the future but it's matching track records. It was already his MO and the fact United brought through an incredible set of youth players was in a big way because you backed a manager capable of doing so...
What you're comparing is signing prime Lionel Messi vs Jozy Altidore and giving them equal long term backing/trying to convince yourself it runs a remotely similar chance of paying off.
It's certainly not impossible for OGS to turn things around however it's very very unlikely as history and present day shows.
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Nobb, Nohlman, Stretty and RDD would have been for sacking SAF well before then. The FA Cup final win eased my doubts at the time for sure.
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Well he’s got about a week before you’ll be calling for him to be sacked surely?
You did say If he continued to make the same mistakes (he absolutely has) and there weren’t any signings in January you’d want him gone.
So they’ve got a week to get someone in or else you’ll be saying ole out right VC?
I remember people making this argument when Moyes was manager. It was bloody mental then as well.
Scuttocks takes the big W here. Ridiculous article
The ‘Ferguson was sh-t at first at United so any manager could come good’ logic is so dumb.
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posted on 25/1/20
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
He does need players, absolutely but he hasn’t shown he can get the best out of what he’s got and his signings have been mixed.
I’m a fan of Pochetino (if you haven’t heard) and feel he’s exactly what we need.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
Older viewers plenty of United managers being sacked for not being good enough.
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Most were given time though. Frank OFarrell and Wilf were really bad though.
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Frank O'Farell had no chance, Besty was out of control and the rest of the team were past their best. Wilf McGuiness just seemed like a really nice guy that was talked into taking the team because he was a good trainer... he should have said no
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
He does need players, absolutely but he hasn’t shown he can get the best out of what he’s got and his signings have been mixed.
I’m a fan of Pochetino (if you haven’t heard) and feel he’s exactly what we need.
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How long does Pochetino get if we're fifth after a year?
posted on 25/1/20
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
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He has $hitty players in his squad you thick . Also there have been games where we have played some very good attacking football.
Your hero Klopp had the very same issues when he arrived in dipperville. We have already been through this on another thread with you.
This is RDD stuff Nobb.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
He does need players, absolutely but he hasn’t shown he can get the best out of what he’s got and his signings have been mixed.
I’m a fan of Pochetino (if you haven’t heard) and feel he’s exactly what we need.
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How long does Pochetino get if we're fifth after a year?
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It all depends on if he’s shown he has an identifiable style of play and there are bright signs for the future
Things we don’t have with Ole. In fact it’s getting worse - not all his fault as it wasn’t with the other managers but he’s still failing at the basics. I’d be stunned if he lasted past February at this rate
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
He does need players, absolutely but he hasn’t shown he can get the best out of what he’s got and his signings have been mixed.
I’m a fan of Pochetino (if you haven’t heard) and feel he’s exactly what we need.
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How long does Pochetino get if we're fifth after a year?
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It all depends on if he’s shown he has an identifiable style of play and there are bright signs for the future
Things we don’t have with Ole. In fact it’s getting worse - not all his fault as it wasn’t with the other managers but he’s still failing at the basics. I’d be stunned if he lasted past February at this rate
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I like Wan Bissaka, Dan James should have played half the games he has, but he'll be a good player and Maguire's been ok-ish. That's 70% for me.
He could have done without McTominay and Pogba's injuries because the midfield cover is poor.
Bringing Brandon Williams through had been excellent, he'll be a superstar, and he's getting the best out of Rashford.
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
posted on 25/1/20
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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The good stuff doesn’t fit with his agenda.
posted on 25/1/20
When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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The good stuff doesn’t fit with his agenda.
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Thing is, we're all disappointed at the moment, and the Burnley game was beyond horrible, but if people are expecting someone else to come in and sprinkle fairy dust over this lot they're off their heads. The team needs better investment, the last three managers have bought a lot of rubbish and very few gems.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
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posted 10 seconds ago
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posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 4 minutes ago
Thing is, he hasn’t shown he knows how to coach good attacking football against the majority of the sides we play and recently we’ve seen the bigger sides figure him out
He does need players, absolutely but he hasn’t shown he can get the best out of what he’s got and his signings have been mixed.
I’m a fan of Pochetino (if you haven’t heard) and feel he’s exactly what we need.
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How long does Pochetino get if we're fifth after a year?
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It all depends on if he’s shown he has an identifiable style of play and there are bright signs for the future
Things we don’t have with Ole. In fact it’s getting worse - not all his fault as it wasn’t with the other managers but he’s still failing at the basics. I’d be stunned if he lasted past February at this rate
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I like Wan Bissaka, Dan James should have played half the games he has, but he'll be a good player and Maguire's been ok-ish. That's 70% for me.
He could have done without McTominay and Pogba's injuries because the midfield cover is poor.
Bringing Brandon Williams through had been excellent, he'll be a superstar, and he's getting the best out of Rashford.
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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I think he was never good enough for us and I understand why fans are behind him more than other managers of recent times but I just can’t see him lasting long at all. Now Rash is out - a guy who has almost single handedly saved our season - unless we make some signings I can’t see him lasting
Time will tell. Either way, I’m not too miserable. Liverpool got their good manager and within years it was a lot better than what had come before. I’m sure things will improve with a better manager - hopefully we get better higher ups too
posted on 25/1/20
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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The good stuff doesn’t fit with his agenda.
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Thing is, we're all disappointed at the moment, and the Burnley game was beyond horrible, but if people are expecting someone else to come in and sprinkle fairy dust over this lot they're off their heads. The team needs better investment, the last three managers have bought a lot of rubbish and very few gems.
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But by saying that you’re implying that Ole is the only/best person for the job
Is there any logical reason why he is a better choice than the hundreds of better and more qualified managers other than United DNA?
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
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The good stuff doesn’t fit with his agenda.
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Thing is, we're all disappointed at the moment, and the Burnley game was beyond horrible, but if people are expecting someone else to come in and sprinkle fairy dust over this lot they're off their heads. The team needs better investment, the last three managers have bought a lot of rubbish and very few gems.
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But by saying that you’re implying that Ole is the only/best person for the job
Is there any logical reason why he is a better choice than the hundreds of better and more qualified managers other than United DNA?
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No, not at all, I'm just not for getting rid of a manager after a year. I'd rather give him to the end of the season and see if it's working, if there's no improvement between now and May he'll be in trouble.
If we don't sign anyone in the next week he'll have no chance.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Robb Fernandes (U22311)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
I think you might be being a tad reactionary, Robb.
......
The good stuff doesn’t fit with his agenda.
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Thing is, we're all disappointed at the moment, and the Burnley game was beyond horrible, but if people are expecting someone else to come in and sprinkle fairy dust over this lot they're off their heads. The team needs better investment, the last three managers have bought a lot of rubbish and very few gems.
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But by saying that you’re implying that Ole is the only/best person for the job
Is there any logical reason why he is a better choice than the hundreds of better and more qualified managers other than United DNA?
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No, not at all, I'm just not for getting rid of a manager after a year. I'd rather give him to the end of the season and see if it's working, if there's no improvement between now and May he'll be in trouble.
If we don't sign anyone in the next week he'll have no chance.
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I do hope something comes in
We’ve been linked with Tevez of all people. Very strange. I just hope we can get past Tranmere on Sunday. Not so much result wise as I’d hope we could beat a league one side - but their pitch is awful. An injury or three just waiting to happen
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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St Mirren
Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977, discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[34] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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St Mirren
Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977, discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[34] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
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So you'd have kept Fergie on the basis that he'd won titles in a different country. Fair enough.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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St Mirren
Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977, discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[34] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
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So you'd have kept Fergie on the basis that he'd won titles in a different country. Fair enough.
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I can't say what I would've done honestly. However it's completely different to the OGS situation. The level of success Ferguson had acheived (at unfancied clubs) in his career prior to joining was incredible. He was some of the hottest managerial property around
That rightfully buys a manager a lot more time.
The chances of OGS becoming a success at United would be no better than say Teddy Sheringham while the chances of Ferguson being a success (not to the insane extent he was but what you'd hope to achieve with the right manager now) would be 50/50 at least.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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St Mirren
Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977, discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[34] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
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So you'd have kept Fergie on the basis that he'd won titles in a different country. Fair enough.
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I can't say what I would've done honestly. However it's completely different to the OGS situation. The level of success Ferguson had acheived (at unfancied clubs) in his career prior to joining was incredible. He was some of the hottest managerial property around
That rightfully buys a manager a lot more time.
The chances of OGS becoming a success at United would be no better than say Teddy Sheringham while the chances of Ferguson being a success (not to the insane extent he was but what you'd hope to achieve with the right manager now) would be 50/50 at least.
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You wouldn't have thought that before he started winning stuff, you'd have wanted him out. It took four years to turn the corner. Then the recruitment improved and we fell lucky that Giggs and Sharpe were so good.
Good that you saw all that coming though 👍
posted on 25/1/20
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Post Nearly Man. Who put the ball in the Germans' net? (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Scruttocks (U19684)
posted 3 minutes ago
When in his entire career has OGS shown he might make a decent manager at the top level of football?
By the time Fergie had joined United he'd just taken no hopers Aberdeen to the very top, if you can't see a difference then you're mental.
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He'd also been sacked by St. Mirren.
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In 2008, The Guardian published an interview with Todd (then aged 87), who had sacked Ferguson many years earlier. Todd explained that the fundamental reason for the dismissal was a breach of contract relating to Ferguson having agreed to join Aberdeen. Ferguson told journalist Jim Rodger of the Daily Mirror that he had asked at least one member of the squad to go to Aberdeen with him. He told the St Mirren staff he was leaving. Todd expressed regret over what happened but blamed Aberdeen for not approaching his club to discuss compensation.
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St Mirren
Ferguson was manager of St Mirren from 1974 until 1978, producing a remarkable transformation of a team in the lower half of the old Second Division watched by crowds of just over 1,000, to First Division champions in 1977, discovering talent like Billy Stark, Tony Fitzpatrick, Lex Richardson, Frank McGarvey, Bobby Reid and Peter Weir while playing superb attacking football.[34] The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20.
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So you'd have kept Fergie on the basis that he'd won titles in a different country. Fair enough.
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I can't say what I would've done honestly. However it's completely different to the OGS situation. The level of success Ferguson had acheived (at unfancied clubs) in his career prior to joining was incredible. He was some of the hottest managerial property around
That rightfully buys a manager a lot more time.
The chances of OGS becoming a success at United would be no better than say Teddy Sheringham while the chances of Ferguson being a success (not to the insane extent he was but what you'd hope to achieve with the right manager now) would be 50/50 at least.
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You wouldn't have thought that before he started winning stuff, you'd have wanted him out. It took four years to turn the corner. Then the recruitment improved and we fell lucky that Giggs and Sharpe were so good.
Good that you saw all that coming though 👍
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You're in this weird denial clearly. Before joining Fergie had led teams with lots of youth to success
"The average age of the league winning team was 19 and the captain, Fitzpatrick, was 20."
It's nothing to do with seeing the future but it's matching track records. It was already his MO and the fact United brought through an incredible set of youth players was in a big way because you backed a manager capable of doing so...
What you're comparing is signing prime Lionel Messi vs Jozy Altidore and giving them equal long term backing/trying to convince yourself it runs a remotely similar chance of paying off.
It's certainly not impossible for OGS to turn things around however it's very very unlikely as history and present day shows.
posted on 25/1/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 hours, 26 minutes ago
Nobb, Nohlman, Stretty and RDD would have been for sacking SAF well before then. The FA Cup final win eased my doubts at the time for sure.
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Well he’s got about a week before you’ll be calling for him to be sacked surely?
You did say If he continued to make the same mistakes (he absolutely has) and there weren’t any signings in January you’d want him gone.
So they’ve got a week to get someone in or else you’ll be saying ole out right VC?
posted on 25/1/20
I remember people making this argument when Moyes was manager. It was bloody mental then as well.
posted on 25/1/20
Scuttocks takes the big W here. Ridiculous article
posted on 25/1/20
The ‘Ferguson was sh-t at first at United so any manager could come good’ logic is so dumb.
posted on 25/1/20
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