Clueless manager. There’s no need to elaborate. The guy is bloody out of his depth. We are going nowhere with this guy
He didn't have much of a choice in dropping him deeper tbf.
Pereira had a nightmare and Mata struggles in a wider position and it's not as if we had any other central midfielder to bring off the bench.
I don't think that's one of the things you can criticise Ole for yesterday.
He probably should've changed shape to give us some width, that or told Dan James to stay facking wide and stretch Wolves. No idea why he was taking up the sort of positions he was.
Well we didn't have any other good options to play next to Fred. That should just be a one off.
His subs were poor though. Dalot should have come on sooner, and Jesse shouldn't have come on at all.
And apparently the groundsman moved the goalpost.
"His subs were poor though. Dalot should have come on sooner, and Jesse shouldn't have come on at all."
From what little I saw, Dalot should have come on sooner. There's never a time to bring Jesse on at this stage. A year of failure is surely too much. The fact Jesse is still being paid at this stage is massively fortuitous to him. Not many have that luxury
He does have a habit of making late subs.
I'd have brought on Greenwood a lot sooner as well as Dalot and Williams instead of Lingard to give us a greater threat in the wide areas.
On an unrelated note, as someone who didn't see the game today. Did the mass walkout occur in any manner? Surely the signings of Bruno and Ighalo didn't make the action seem inappropriate? All good now?
I said last week, it would be incredibly inappropriate to walk out in the 58th minute of a game, to show disapproval. As it would be incredibly disrespectful to the Munich heros. And it would have been. A couple of signings and it's all good.
This is why I said it smacked of being spoilt
Ole is a conundrum am to me. I genuinely thinks he gets the club and he will target players who are either young and promising or who want to play for United and understand what it means rather than mercenaries. BUT, it is so so clear that he just doesn’t have the tactical knowledge to be a top class manager.
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ole is a conundrum am to me. I genuinely thinks he gets the club and he will target players who are either young and promising or who want to play for United and understand what it means rather than mercenaries. BUT, it is so so clear that he just doesn’t have the tactical knowledge to be a top class manager.
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He will always be up against the obvious. Why was he appointed, other than a goal in Barcelona? Whilst that's the case, he needs to do something to prove that wasn't the case.
Tbf he's done better than I expected, whilst still doing worse than I think a real manager would do
When we live in a world where Carlo Ancelotti is Everton manager it’s laughable that Ole is a United manager.
Tbf to Ole, because of how Wolves set up and how well they cut down the space around the box, he thought Fernandes would be better suited trying to dictate things from a deeper position rather than getting crowded out on the edge of the box, I think Jose did something similar with Pogba during the 3-2 win against Newcastle last season.
People just dont seem to see that Oles team just doesn't know how to attack in a dynamic and strategic way. Players are just stood around and dont move on ways to break up the block. We are no different than Jose in that players haven't been coached to attack as a team, just relying on individual efforts.
Yes. Totally without a clue.
united fans i know, keep telling me, the club needs to give ole time...comparing the situation with fergie when he took over united in the mid 80s
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 6 hours, 38 minutes ago
He didn't have much of a choice in dropping him deeper tbf.
Pereira had a nightmare and Mata struggles in a wider position and it's not as if we had any other central midfielder to bring off the bench.
I don't think that's one of the things you can criticise Ole for yesterday.
He probably should've changed shape to give us some width, that or told Dan James to stay facking wide and stretch Wolves. No idea why he was taking up the sort of positions he was.
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The lack of width is so frustrating, but let's be honest when James did stay wide he was useless and has been for months.
AWB and Shaw refuse to overlap their winger and every time they get the ball they cut back inside.
Yesterday was a tough game but we were just awful to watch. They all need 3 or 4 touches to make a pass, 'it'd horrible.
You guys are being seriously unfair on Ole. He needs time and atleast another 2/3 transfer windows.
He needs another 2 years to bed his philosophy in. He's managing players from 4 different managers (Fergie, Moyes, LVG and Mourinho).
Just give him time.
comment by peks..#free el chapo (U6618)
posted 27 minutes ago
united fans i know, keep telling me, the club needs to give ole time...comparing the situation with fergie when he took over united in the mid 80s
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Yeah, it's a big trump card. But it assumes Ole is as good as SAF was at that time. I've made my feelings clear on how good Ole is, and more importantly, who qualified he was for the job.
Why was he chosen? Should he be our manager, based on why he was chosen, and is he realistically going to do the kind of job Klopp (who must have been a legend to the Kopp during the 70s and 80s) and Pep, who presumably was smart enough to stop City from relegating themselves in 96 (Google it, the most hilarious case for abolition of social media you'll ever see)
Well we started with Pereira at CDM with Fred, and Pereira got completely overrun and gave away silly fouls and possession. Ole had to switch it up at HT. he did, and we looked more controlled in CM. Would you have put mate in the midfield ahead of Fernandes? Or Lingard?
I suppose all the above believe they do have a clue.
All the above aren’t being paid millions like Ole are they
You only need to look at the bench yesterday to see the challenge the manager had to deal with.
Getting Ighalo in who has more predatory instincts will help the team and free up Martial somewhat.
That's true. Much as I'm not an Ole fan, you play with the cards you're dealt. How did Bruno play yesterday btw? I only saw the last-minute 10 mins, he played a decent pass to Shaw Who prompltly shooit his pants.
He's going to need to get used to playing with players who are far more limited than advertised
Even if he didn’t have the options on the bench, a good manager would be able to find the best tactics to fit the players he has, yet Ole keeps persisting with 4231, or 5311 against the better teams. It just appears Ole is playing not to lose. That’s why we’re very defensive minded but don’t have a clue on how to attack. Might score the odd lucky set piece goal but that’s about it. It’s so boring to watch.
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
Even if he didn’t have the options on the bench, a good manager would be able to find the best tactics to fit the players he has, yet Ole keeps persisting with 4231, or 5311 against the better teams. It just appears Ole is playing not to lose. That’s why we’re very defensive minded but don’t have a clue on how to attack. Might score the odd lucky set piece goal but that’s about it. It’s so boring to watch.
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I would never judge us on a game against Wolves. We aren't world-beaters. But they are the most reactive team in the league. They make no effort to attack. Abd when they eventually do, it's always with the clean sheet in mind. They're very very dull. And we're hardly a Barrell of thrills. Hence why we saw the biweekly United v Wolves horror show
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posted on 2/2/20
Clueless manager. There’s no need to elaborate. The guy is bloody out of his depth. We are going nowhere with this guy
posted on 2/2/20
He didn't have much of a choice in dropping him deeper tbf.
Pereira had a nightmare and Mata struggles in a wider position and it's not as if we had any other central midfielder to bring off the bench.
I don't think that's one of the things you can criticise Ole for yesterday.
He probably should've changed shape to give us some width, that or told Dan James to stay facking wide and stretch Wolves. No idea why he was taking up the sort of positions he was.
posted on 2/2/20
Well we didn't have any other good options to play next to Fred. That should just be a one off.
His subs were poor though. Dalot should have come on sooner, and Jesse shouldn't have come on at all.
And apparently the groundsman moved the goalpost.
posted on 2/2/20
"His subs were poor though. Dalot should have come on sooner, and Jesse shouldn't have come on at all."
From what little I saw, Dalot should have come on sooner. There's never a time to bring Jesse on at this stage. A year of failure is surely too much. The fact Jesse is still being paid at this stage is massively fortuitous to him. Not many have that luxury
posted on 2/2/20
He does have a habit of making late subs.
I'd have brought on Greenwood a lot sooner as well as Dalot and Williams instead of Lingard to give us a greater threat in the wide areas.
posted on 2/2/20
On an unrelated note, as someone who didn't see the game today. Did the mass walkout occur in any manner? Surely the signings of Bruno and Ighalo didn't make the action seem inappropriate? All good now?
posted on 2/2/20
I said last week, it would be incredibly inappropriate to walk out in the 58th minute of a game, to show disapproval. As it would be incredibly disrespectful to the Munich heros. And it would have been. A couple of signings and it's all good.
This is why I said it smacked of being spoilt
posted on 2/2/20
Ole is a conundrum am to me. I genuinely thinks he gets the club and he will target players who are either young and promising or who want to play for United and understand what it means rather than mercenaries. BUT, it is so so clear that he just doesn’t have the tactical knowledge to be a top class manager.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by DoireDevilBhoy (U10745)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ole is a conundrum am to me. I genuinely thinks he gets the club and he will target players who are either young and promising or who want to play for United and understand what it means rather than mercenaries. BUT, it is so so clear that he just doesn’t have the tactical knowledge to be a top class manager.
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He will always be up against the obvious. Why was he appointed, other than a goal in Barcelona? Whilst that's the case, he needs to do something to prove that wasn't the case.
Tbf he's done better than I expected, whilst still doing worse than I think a real manager would do
posted on 2/2/20
When we live in a world where Carlo Ancelotti is Everton manager it’s laughable that Ole is a United manager.
posted on 2/2/20
Tbf to Ole, because of how Wolves set up and how well they cut down the space around the box, he thought Fernandes would be better suited trying to dictate things from a deeper position rather than getting crowded out on the edge of the box, I think Jose did something similar with Pogba during the 3-2 win against Newcastle last season.
posted on 2/2/20
People just dont seem to see that Oles team just doesn't know how to attack in a dynamic and strategic way. Players are just stood around and dont move on ways to break up the block. We are no different than Jose in that players haven't been coached to attack as a team, just relying on individual efforts.
posted on 2/2/20
He's certainly clueless
posted on 2/2/20
Yes. Totally without a clue.
posted on 2/2/20
united fans i know, keep telling me, the club needs to give ole time...comparing the situation with fergie when he took over united in the mid 80s
posted on 2/2/20
comment by The Red Side™ (U11275)
posted 6 hours, 38 minutes ago
He didn't have much of a choice in dropping him deeper tbf.
Pereira had a nightmare and Mata struggles in a wider position and it's not as if we had any other central midfielder to bring off the bench.
I don't think that's one of the things you can criticise Ole for yesterday.
He probably should've changed shape to give us some width, that or told Dan James to stay facking wide and stretch Wolves. No idea why he was taking up the sort of positions he was.
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The lack of width is so frustrating, but let's be honest when James did stay wide he was useless and has been for months.
AWB and Shaw refuse to overlap their winger and every time they get the ball they cut back inside.
Yesterday was a tough game but we were just awful to watch. They all need 3 or 4 touches to make a pass, 'it'd horrible.
posted on 2/2/20
You guys are being seriously unfair on Ole. He needs time and atleast another 2/3 transfer windows.
He needs another 2 years to bed his philosophy in. He's managing players from 4 different managers (Fergie, Moyes, LVG and Mourinho).
Just give him time.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by peks..#free el chapo (U6618)
posted 27 minutes ago
united fans i know, keep telling me, the club needs to give ole time...comparing the situation with fergie when he took over united in the mid 80s
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Yeah, it's a big trump card. But it assumes Ole is as good as SAF was at that time. I've made my feelings clear on how good Ole is, and more importantly, who qualified he was for the job.
Why was he chosen? Should he be our manager, based on why he was chosen, and is he realistically going to do the kind of job Klopp (who must have been a legend to the Kopp during the 70s and 80s) and Pep, who presumably was smart enough to stop City from relegating themselves in 96 (Google it, the most hilarious case for abolition of social media you'll ever see)
posted on 2/2/20
Well we started with Pereira at CDM with Fred, and Pereira got completely overrun and gave away silly fouls and possession. Ole had to switch it up at HT. he did, and we looked more controlled in CM. Would you have put mate in the midfield ahead of Fernandes? Or Lingard?
posted on 2/2/20
I suppose all the above believe they do have a clue.
posted on 2/2/20
All the above aren’t being paid millions like Ole are they
posted on 2/2/20
You only need to look at the bench yesterday to see the challenge the manager had to deal with.
Getting Ighalo in who has more predatory instincts will help the team and free up Martial somewhat.
posted on 2/2/20
That's true. Much as I'm not an Ole fan, you play with the cards you're dealt. How did Bruno play yesterday btw? I only saw the last-minute 10 mins, he played a decent pass to Shaw Who prompltly shooit his pants.
He's going to need to get used to playing with players who are far more limited than advertised
posted on 2/2/20
Even if he didn’t have the options on the bench, a good manager would be able to find the best tactics to fit the players he has, yet Ole keeps persisting with 4231, or 5311 against the better teams. It just appears Ole is playing not to lose. That’s why we’re very defensive minded but don’t have a clue on how to attack. Might score the odd lucky set piece goal but that’s about it. It’s so boring to watch.
posted on 2/2/20
comment by Bumblebeetuna (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
Even if he didn’t have the options on the bench, a good manager would be able to find the best tactics to fit the players he has, yet Ole keeps persisting with 4231, or 5311 against the better teams. It just appears Ole is playing not to lose. That’s why we’re very defensive minded but don’t have a clue on how to attack. Might score the odd lucky set piece goal but that’s about it. It’s so boring to watch.
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I would never judge us on a game against Wolves. We aren't world-beaters. But they are the most reactive team in the league. They make no effort to attack. Abd when they eventually do, it's always with the clean sheet in mind. They're very very dull. And we're hardly a Barrell of thrills. Hence why we saw the biweekly United v Wolves horror show
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