Thank you Ramdini. Exactly as I imagined it. Apart from the bits that Rameses, Vidal, View and Spart will disagree with.

Agree with Ramdini’s assessment. Holmes causes chaos with his runs and it meant they didn’t have to watch out for him when he went off leaving them to concentrate on Rooney.

The Ref was a complete and utter w@nker.

When we changed from 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 after about 20 minutes we suddenly came alive. With Waghorn on the right Holmes started finding pockets of space. But then he got injured. I could see some logic in putting Shinnie on to allow Rooney to go further forward but it didn’t work. There weren’t any runners around him. Knight would have been a better choice to make some runs beyond Martin. Maybe even Josefzoon on this occasion though I can’t believe I’m actually typing that.

I thought Wisdom was excellent and when he went off I wondered if it might be crucial. Cocu was very critical of Bogle after the game for the goal, a bit harshly. I think something might have gone on there, maybe Bogle getting a bit big for his boots. Roos sat down for the shot which he might well have saved if he had just stood there.

Bird very good again, just tired a bit towards the end. A pity Huddz was not available to take over for the last fifteen minutes. Davies again very jittery with the ball at his feet. It’s a difficult choice for Cocu, whether to play Wisdom at centre half or right back.

Confirms what we know really. Short on creativity without Holmes and struggling to get the right defensive balance with the players available. Had Waghorn scored his header after the best move of the game it would have looked a solid win.

Lots of energy, bursting forward from defence, good on the wing, tricky and creative, ideal replacement for Holmes oh, and has fuzzy hair. Ring a bell?

You know what Heb, McAfro has many of the attributes to play in the Holmes role. But that ship has sailed, or rather it has long since rusted in the dock. It’s only fit for scrap.

I fear that you are right. Sad but true.......

Thanks for your usual excellent report Ramdini. I agree with nearly all your comments, but if Roos was expecting a cross why fling himself to the ground, you can't punch from there.

Waghorn did do well but if he could cross with his right foot he would be better. It always surprises me that professional footballers can't use both feet, Bobby Charlton learn to.

I've seen a lot worse refs than the one yesterday, I thought he was OK, but the linesman on the West side was blind or didn't know the rules. Marriott had 2 defenders keeping him onside and talking about Marriott he didn't do much, but of course he didn't get much service.

Very disappointing game, we messed about far too much passing a la Rowett/Clement. Get the ball forward quickly like we did v Stoke.

comment by HebridesRam (U2909)
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Lots of energy, bursting forward from defence, good on the wing, tricky and creative, ideal replacement for Holmes oh, and has fuzzy hair. Ring a bell?
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It's signings like him who will probably lose us points. We've had some crap players, but I think that useless tool is the worst.

No offence to Scots intended.

None taken - as Spart said Scottish football is struggling a bit. But worst signing - bit harsh perhaps!

VC, I don't think he was useless. He had some talent but just did not fit into the team as it was at that time. When I saw him play for Scotland he didn't look as out of place as he did at Derby. It's just one of those mysteries. There are others.
Such as what has Marriott down wrong? - and now has lost all confidence.

Good report Ramdini

Not gonna disagree - just to fluster Heb - but the ref was bad for both sides, they had a nailed on penalty in the second half.

Draw was fair and they could have/should have nicked with the one on one with Roos. Which begs the question, how on earth did he concede at his near post?

Roos’ save late on is what he is good at, but he hasn’t got the other necessary qualities. I took two mates of my son to the match yesterday. Neither has seen Derby play before but at half time they said that Roos didn’t look very good.

Just now on 5 live Rob Green and Tom Heaton we’re giving interesting insights into the art of goalkeeping. Heaton mentioned the importance of “not guessing”. Roos seemed to be guessing that there would be a low shot to the far post, but the angle was so narrow he could have covered that if need be by sticking out his foot. It was a pretty basic mistake, and we had the usual comedy punch in the first half when under no pressure.

Roos still has time to improve. I remember Colin Boulton's first efforts in goal in 1968. Two years more learning his trade he was a really competent goal keeper. Goal keepers tend to mature later.

Grant was often beaten at his near post and Carson at his far post. I never saw Shilton near to saving a penalty. All goal keepers have weaknesses and make errors.

Roos is a good shot stopper and can play the ball on the ground but gives no confidence with high balls and crosses. Hamer has given away a few goals from mistakes. I am certain we could have signed someone better than both but the rules say we stick with them to the end of the season.

I’m normally slow to criticise our players and I had hopes for Roos but he just doesn’t seem to have improved at all, and as with Josefzoon Cocu gave him a long run in the team to show what he could do. I always think that unless that happens then it’s hard to judge a player because sometimes they need time to settle to their role and get used to the players around them. Clarke now looks a very decent player for example when some had written him off after a few games. There seems to be no chance that Roos would start as first-choice next season. Maybe a loan to a League One team might improve him but the aerial issue seems fundamental.

Spart, to mention Colin Boulton in the same breath as Roos is one of the daftest things I’ve read for a while. Boulton was probably our best ever keeper and Roos the worst and I don’t reckon he will improve.

Roos the worst? He's not brilliant by any stretch but he's no saul deeney

Or a 42 year old Kevin Poole I think it was. That was a dark day at pride park.

OK, he's the worst to have played more than 6 matches then.

Deeney only played a few minutes till he was sent off if my memory is correct. The Poole business was a disgrace, Camp was a decent keeper in those days and was hung out to dry and is still playing and he's better than Hamer or Roos.