"Man United fans laugh at Hendo as a headless chicken"
Sorry, what?
Who does that?
Man United fans laugh at Hendo as a headless chicken but he is suited to the Klopp standard of playing the game.
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Not all of us. I think he is a good player... Not the very best, but perfectly suited and better than a lot think (his pass yesterday was one of many important assists or build ups).
What is funny is he is exactly the kind of player that United we win constantly bemoans.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Man United fans laugh at Hendo as a headless chicken but he is suited to the Klopp standard of playing the game.
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Not all of us. I think he is a good player... Not the very best, but perfectly suited and better than a lot think (his pass yesterday was one of many important assists or build ups).
What is funny is he is exactly the kind of player that United we win constantly bemoans.
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Uww doesn’t fully understand what he watches when we play.
Uww doesn’t fully understand what he watches when we play.
.......
You can attribute that to more than half the posters on our match threads.
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Nohlman et al
I get that are convinced that United are poorly coached because United often struggle to win games that you think we should be walking through. You blame the manager hope he gets sacked and a new one comes in and the same pattern emerges. It like a groundhog day.
I can assure you that Ole isn't the only coach working with the players at OT and he has teams of coaches working at the club at all levels on a day to day basis using the very latets technology and techiques.
I suggest you probably know feck all about football coaching detail, or real football in general (I am not talking about the TV portrayal of football or the games like football Manager ... Have you ever played and been coached in organised football clubs yourself to know how bad attitude, bullying and prima donna culture from other players in your group can undermine others in the same group who are not so vocal and destroy all the work that the coaching staff are trying to install into the squad individually and sas a whole. This is exactly what Fred has been alluding to.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
The article and quotes are a good insight and a bit of honesty from Shaw on what part of the problem is.
A manager can only do so much. This is why you need strong leaders on the pitch. Fergie was blessed with them.
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That's a good point, fergie targeted strong characters similar to himself.
Like Ji says, everyone’s responsible whatever our results.
I would say I don’t really care what our players say these days with quotes like Shaw’s. We hear similar ones every season and nothing really seems to change. They just seem to want to please the fans with words they want to hear but I rarely see anything done about it
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 hours ago
The players have been shiiiit but it’s the managers job to get the best out of what he has. Or else what’s the point of having a manager?
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Actually this is contradicted by so many ex professionals.
Peter Crouch talked about this on his podcast not long ago, on the fact that players don’t really pay attention to the tactics and that once they go out on the pitch they forget/ignore a lot of what they were instructed to do out of self-interest. Also touched on the fact that regardless of instruction a lot of players will go against the managers instructions if they don’t think the tactics benefit them as individuals; citing his own example of ignoring Benitez when he was asked to play left wing. Case in point, Pogba every time he is asked to do anything other than hug the edge of the opposition’s 18 yard box.
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comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 26 seconds ago
The coaches we have are crap. Who is McKenna? Carrick and ole and the rest of them. Look like championship level coaches. Phelan crap at managerial level. Mediocrity stinking united out
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Why do you even bother mate you seem to just get negativity being a football fan
quite frankly we have some poor coaches.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 51 seconds ago
I imagine Ole has shown to the group he has favourites.
Thus splitting the team.
I can’t imagine Ole is that great at man management and I’d also guess that when the pressure gets more intense, he blows a gasket. The nice guy mask slips, he loses it (not at one of his favourites) and the squad see the serial killer side.
Conjecture at this point
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And almost certainly wrong. If anything he's too nice, no hidden serial killer.
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Ok he’s probably not a serial killer
But his nice guy attitude has split the squad, so something happened
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 hours ago
The players have been shiiiit but it’s the managers job to get the best out of what he has. Or else what’s the point of having a manager?
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Actually this is contradicted by so many ex professionals.
Peter Crouch talked about this on his podcast not long ago, on the fact that players don’t really pay attention to the tactics and that once they go out on the pitch they forget/ignore a lot of what they were instructed to do out of self-interest. Also touched on the fact that regardless of instruction a lot of players will go against the managers instructions if they don’t think the tactics benefit them as individuals; citing his own example of ignoring Benitez when he was asked to play left wing. Case in point, Pogba every time he is asked to do anything other than hug the edge of the opposition’s 18 yard box.
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That would suggest to be successful you haventje fill the team with intelligent and disciplined players. Most aren’t.
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Nohlman et al
I get that are convinced that United are poorly coached because United often struggle to win games that you think we should be walking through. You blame the manager hope he gets sacked and a new one comes in and the same pattern emerges. It like a groundhog day.
I can assure you that Ole isn't the only coach working with the players at OT and he has teams of coaches working at the club at all levels on a day to day basis using the very latets technology and techiques.
I suggest you probably know feck all about football coaching detail, or real football in general (I am not talking about the TV portrayal of football or the games like football Manager ... Have you ever played and been coached in organised football clubs yourself to know how bad attitude, bullying and prima donna culture from other players in your group can undermine others in the same group who are not so vocal and destroy all the work that the coaching staff are trying to install into the squad individually and sas a whole. This is exactly what Fred has been alluding to.
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To be fair, its the managers job to ensure this does not happen. I mean, the job is to manage the team, it's in the name.
If "bad attitude, bullying and prima donna culture from other players in your group can undermine others in the same group who are not so vocal and destroy all the work that the coaching staff are trying to install into the squad individually and sas a whole" then the manager is failing at his job surely.
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 42 minutes ago
The coaches we have are crap. Who is McKenna? Carrick and ole and the rest of them. Look like championship level coaches. Phelan crap at managerial level. Mediocrity stinking united out
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Someone missed his dose of Prozac....
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 hours ago
The players have been shiiiit but it’s the managers job to get the best out of what he has. Or else what’s the point of having a manager?
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Actually this is contradicted by so many ex professionals.
Peter Crouch talked about this on his podcast not long ago, on the fact that players don’t really pay attention to the tactics and that once they go out on the pitch they forget/ignore a lot of what they were instructed to do out of self-interest. Also touched on the fact that regardless of instruction a lot of players will go against the managers instructions if they don’t think the tactics benefit them as individuals; citing his own example of ignoring Benitez when he was asked to play left wing. Case in point, Pogba every time he is asked to do anything other than hug the edge of the opposition’s 18 yard box.
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That would suggest to be successful you haventje fill the team with intelligent and disciplined players. Most aren’t.
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Hard to think of a successful team that lacked for disciplined/intelligent players.
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
Spit on Ji.
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Harsh!
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Ultimately the manager is the one who loses his job, so regardless of who is "responsible", the manager better believe its him.
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
Spit on Ji.
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Harsh!
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Players referring to the manager by his first name. That's part of the problem right there. Ole needs to learn to set boundaries.
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So. Are the players 'betraying' Ole?
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posted on 16/2/20
"Man United fans laugh at Hendo as a headless chicken"
Sorry, what?
Who does that?
posted on 16/2/20
Man United fans laugh at Hendo as a headless chicken but he is suited to the Klopp standard of playing the game.
--------------
Not all of us. I think he is a good player... Not the very best, but perfectly suited and better than a lot think (his pass yesterday was one of many important assists or build ups).
What is funny is he is exactly the kind of player that United we win constantly bemoans.
posted on 16/2/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 1 minute ago
Man United fans laugh at Hendo as a headless chicken but he is suited to the Klopp standard of playing the game.
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Not all of us. I think he is a good player... Not the very best, but perfectly suited and better than a lot think (his pass yesterday was one of many important assists or build ups).
What is funny is he is exactly the kind of player that United we win constantly bemoans.
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Uww doesn’t fully understand what he watches when we play.
posted on 16/2/20
Uww doesn’t fully understand what he watches when we play.
.......
You can attribute that to more than half the posters on our match threads.
posted on 16/2/20
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posted on 16/2/20
Nohlman et al
I get that are convinced that United are poorly coached because United often struggle to win games that you think we should be walking through. You blame the manager hope he gets sacked and a new one comes in and the same pattern emerges. It like a groundhog day.
I can assure you that Ole isn't the only coach working with the players at OT and he has teams of coaches working at the club at all levels on a day to day basis using the very latets technology and techiques.
I suggest you probably know feck all about football coaching detail, or real football in general (I am not talking about the TV portrayal of football or the games like football Manager ... Have you ever played and been coached in organised football clubs yourself to know how bad attitude, bullying and prima donna culture from other players in your group can undermine others in the same group who are not so vocal and destroy all the work that the coaching staff are trying to install into the squad individually and sas a whole. This is exactly what Fred has been alluding to.
posted on 16/2/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
The article and quotes are a good insight and a bit of honesty from Shaw on what part of the problem is.
A manager can only do so much. This is why you need strong leaders on the pitch. Fergie was blessed with them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That's a good point, fergie targeted strong characters similar to himself.
posted on 16/2/20
Like Ji says, everyone’s responsible whatever our results.
I would say I don’t really care what our players say these days with quotes like Shaw’s. We hear similar ones every season and nothing really seems to change. They just seem to want to please the fans with words they want to hear but I rarely see anything done about it
posted on 16/2/20
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 hours ago
The players have been shiiiit but it’s the managers job to get the best out of what he has. Or else what’s the point of having a manager?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually this is contradicted by so many ex professionals.
Peter Crouch talked about this on his podcast not long ago, on the fact that players don’t really pay attention to the tactics and that once they go out on the pitch they forget/ignore a lot of what they were instructed to do out of self-interest. Also touched on the fact that regardless of instruction a lot of players will go against the managers instructions if they don’t think the tactics benefit them as individuals; citing his own example of ignoring Benitez when he was asked to play left wing. Case in point, Pogba every time he is asked to do anything other than hug the edge of the opposition’s 18 yard box.
posted on 16/2/20
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posted on 16/2/20
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posted on 16/2/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 26 seconds ago
The coaches we have are crap. Who is McKenna? Carrick and ole and the rest of them. Look like championship level coaches. Phelan crap at managerial level. Mediocrity stinking united out
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Why do you even bother mate you seem to just get negativity being a football fan
posted on 16/2/20
quite frankly we have some poor coaches.
posted on 16/2/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 51 seconds ago
I imagine Ole has shown to the group he has favourites.
Thus splitting the team.
I can’t imagine Ole is that great at man management and I’d also guess that when the pressure gets more intense, he blows a gasket. The nice guy mask slips, he loses it (not at one of his favourites) and the squad see the serial killer side.
Conjecture at this point
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And almost certainly wrong. If anything he's too nice, no hidden serial killer.
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Ok he’s probably not a serial killer
But his nice guy attitude has split the squad, so something happened
posted on 16/2/20
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 hours ago
The players have been shiiiit but it’s the managers job to get the best out of what he has. Or else what’s the point of having a manager?
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Actually this is contradicted by so many ex professionals.
Peter Crouch talked about this on his podcast not long ago, on the fact that players don’t really pay attention to the tactics and that once they go out on the pitch they forget/ignore a lot of what they were instructed to do out of self-interest. Also touched on the fact that regardless of instruction a lot of players will go against the managers instructions if they don’t think the tactics benefit them as individuals; citing his own example of ignoring Benitez when he was asked to play left wing. Case in point, Pogba every time he is asked to do anything other than hug the edge of the opposition’s 18 yard box.
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That would suggest to be successful you haventje fill the team with intelligent and disciplined players. Most aren’t.
posted on 16/2/20
comment by RB&W 'The Judge' (U21434)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Nohlman et al
I get that are convinced that United are poorly coached because United often struggle to win games that you think we should be walking through. You blame the manager hope he gets sacked and a new one comes in and the same pattern emerges. It like a groundhog day.
I can assure you that Ole isn't the only coach working with the players at OT and he has teams of coaches working at the club at all levels on a day to day basis using the very latets technology and techiques.
I suggest you probably know feck all about football coaching detail, or real football in general (I am not talking about the TV portrayal of football or the games like football Manager ... Have you ever played and been coached in organised football clubs yourself to know how bad attitude, bullying and prima donna culture from other players in your group can undermine others in the same group who are not so vocal and destroy all the work that the coaching staff are trying to install into the squad individually and sas a whole. This is exactly what Fred has been alluding to.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
To be fair, its the managers job to ensure this does not happen. I mean, the job is to manage the team, it's in the name.
If "bad attitude, bullying and prima donna culture from other players in your group can undermine others in the same group who are not so vocal and destroy all the work that the coaching staff are trying to install into the squad individually and sas a whole" then the manager is failing at his job surely.
posted on 16/2/20
comment by United we win (U19958)
posted 42 minutes ago
The coaches we have are crap. Who is McKenna? Carrick and ole and the rest of them. Look like championship level coaches. Phelan crap at managerial level. Mediocrity stinking united out
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Someone missed his dose of Prozac....
posted on 16/2/20
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 hours ago
The players have been shiiiit but it’s the managers job to get the best out of what he has. Or else what’s the point of having a manager?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Actually this is contradicted by so many ex professionals.
Peter Crouch talked about this on his podcast not long ago, on the fact that players don’t really pay attention to the tactics and that once they go out on the pitch they forget/ignore a lot of what they were instructed to do out of self-interest. Also touched on the fact that regardless of instruction a lot of players will go against the managers instructions if they don’t think the tactics benefit them as individuals; citing his own example of ignoring Benitez when he was asked to play left wing. Case in point, Pogba every time he is asked to do anything other than hug the edge of the opposition’s 18 yard box.
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That would suggest to be successful you haventje fill the team with intelligent and disciplined players. Most aren’t.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hard to think of a successful team that lacked for disciplined/intelligent players.
posted on 16/2/20
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
Spit on Ji.
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Harsh!
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posted on 16/2/20
Ultimately the manager is the one who loses his job, so regardless of who is "responsible", the manager better believe its him.
posted on 16/2/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 2 hours, 58 minutes ago
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
Spit on Ji.
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Harsh!
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posted on 16/2/20
Players referring to the manager by his first name. That's part of the problem right there. Ole needs to learn to set boundaries.
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