I agree but please get rid of Jorginho.

Absolutely are. Very easy to forget three central components of this team in it's current construction (Lampard, Mount, Abraham) were working in the Championship last year.

I've not watched a single game this year with a critical mindset, to do so would be unreasonable in my eyes considering the culture shift we're undergoing here, only a clinical one seeing what I believe is needed to build on next season.

This game there was a bit of good, first half was decent particularly in midfield, second half not so good mainly down to a lack of character feeling the game turn both on United's confidence growing + senses of injustice festering. Not pleasant but expected, young team. Only one thing leaped out to me with certainty, something I've known for a while in truth, Bats isn't good enough.

comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 56 seconds ago
Absolutely are. Very easy to forget three central components of this team in it's current construction (Lampard, Mount, Abraham) were working in the Championship last year.

I've not watched a single game this year with a critical mindset, to do so would be unreasonable in my eyes considering the culture shift we're undergoing here, only a clinical one seeing what I believe is needed to build on next season.

This game there was a bit of good, first half was decent particularly in midfield, second half not so good mainly down to a lack of character feeling the game turn both on United's confidence growing + senses of injustice festering. Not pleasant but expected, young team. Only one thing leaped out to me with certainty, something I've known for a while in truth, Bats isn't good enough.
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Jorginho?

Young team seriously??????? The only young players were james and to a very hard pressed extent Christensen that started. Then Mason mount came on.

Your purple patch from the end of September to the start of November where you won six in a row has given you a false reflection of where Chelsea are at right now because of the table.

Your form either side of that purple patch has seen Chelsea collect 23 points from 20 games. Despite the circumstances I don’t think that’s really acceptable form. Especially the last 14 games where you’ve collected 15 points.

comment by BoomOdman (U10541)
posted 58 seconds ago
Young team seriously??????? The only young players were james and to a very hard pressed extent Christensen that started. Then Mason mount came on.
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Christensen is always weak. Beaten by Marcial for a header. Just knock the little rat out of the way!

comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Your purple patch from the end of September to the start of November where you won six in a row has given you a false reflection of where Chelsea are at right now because of the table.

Your form either side of that purple patch has seen Chelsea collect 23 points from 20 games. Despite the circumstances I don’t think that’s really acceptable form. Especially the last 14 games where you’ve collected 15 points.
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Lamps out?

I wouldn’t care to say, but I’m surprised by the lack of scrutiny he’s been under for your terrible form. Obviously lots of things are out of his control, but managers will always be judged on results and if Chelsea continue to stumble along in the league like they have for the last three months, and then plummet down the league, then I’m sure that’s a question that many will be asking.

The days of u challenging for the title are long over the sooner you accept that the better off you'll be!

Your purple patch from the end of September to the start of November where you won six in a row has given you a false reflection of where Chelsea are at right now because of the table.

Your form either side of that purple patch has seen Chelsea collect 23 points from 20 games. Despite the circumstances I don’t think that’s really acceptable form. Especially the last 14 games where you’ve collected 15 points.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I can honestly say I accepted that as a possibility at the start of the season. The combination of losing Hazard, the transfer ban, and bringing in a smart guy but VERY inexperienced manager rendered this season completely expectationless to me.

The Guardiola-Barcelona fantasy may have allured others but not me. I was 100% ready for anything this year, even being bottom half by now.

comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
I wouldn’t care to say, but I’m surprised by the lack of scrutiny he’s been under for your terrible form. Obviously lots of things are out of his control, but managers will always be judged on results and if Chelsea continue to stumble along in the league like they have for the last three months, and then plummet down the league, then I’m sure that’s a question that many will be asking.
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It won't be that big of a deal. He'll always be our Lampsy. Looks out of his depth at the moment.

comment by Devil D.A. (U6522)
posted 1 minute ago
Your purple patch from the end of September to the start of November where you won six in a row has given you a false reflection of where Chelsea are at right now because of the table.

Your form either side of that purple patch has seen Chelsea collect 23 points from 20 games. Despite the circumstances I don’t think that’s really acceptable form. Especially the last 14 games where you’ve collected 15 points.
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I can't speak for anyone else, but I can honestly say I accepted that as a possibility at the start of the season. The combination of losing Hazard, the transfer ban, and bringing in a smart guy but VERY inexperienced manager rendered this season completely expectationless to me.

The Guardiola-Barcelona fantasy may have allured others but not me. I was 100% ready for anything this year, even being bottom half by now.
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We need to buy 3/4 excellent players. Kids can play around them.

comment by 4-Adam-30 (U22016)
posted 7 minutes ago
The days of u challenging for the title are long over the sooner you accept that the better off you'll be!
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gaylord

Devil, I get what you are saying, and that’s your prerogative, but there isn’t really a reality where Chelsea enter into a season with no expectations at all - from the club, fans or anyone else associated with football. Even more so as expectations change throughout the course of the season. Chelsea went from looking nailed on for a top four spot to spiralling into relegation form for nearly half a season. I imagine everyone at the club is extremely concerned by this run of events.

Devil, I get what you are saying, and that’s your prerogative, but there isn’t really a reality where Chelsea enter into a season with no expectations at all - from the club, fans or anyone else associated with football. Even more so as expectations change throughout the course of the season. Chelsea went from looking nailed on for a top four spot to spiralling into relegation form for nearly half a season. I imagine everyone at the club is extremely concerned by this run of events.
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I can't see how expectations (one's which bring Lampard's job into question) could be imposed on making an appointment so drained in risk during difficult circumstances with no prior planning. We're an impulsive club but the transition to Lampard was a monumental culture shift even by our standards.

I have to imagine the club looked at it like this. The only two meaningful positions in the table from a financial standpoint for a club like us are finishing in the top four or the bottom three. We take avoiding relegation as a given, but didn't expect 4th or higher so made a completely left field appointment to shake up the system - which is fine provided you account for the possibility of finishing anywhere between 5th & 17th.

If we'd made a more conservative, low key appointment (someone like Nuno), then I'd understand adjusted expectations like top 6 or top half, but Lampard was so pie in the sky that having literal expectations wouldn't be realistic. Things like getting fans on side, developing players, etc... yes. Form & league positions, no.

I find the idea that Chelsea would run their business with such reckless abandonment frankly ludicrous, to be honest. And also completely ignores the ability of hindsight to make judgement on your appointments. Just because he’s Lampard, and you’ve had issues regarding the squad, doesn’t give him carte blanche to finish anywhere in the table outside of two scenarios and then keep his job.

United fans are saying similar things about Ole, and it just doesn’t correlate with how these clubs run their operations. Talk of a culture change is all well and good up until the point when elite businesses realise their error.

Now I’m not saying it’s going to happen with United and Chelsea, but if things persist at both clubs as they have been and it becomes obvious that both coaches are failing in their roles then I’ve no doubt they’ll both be relieved of their duties.

We were comfortably 3rd at one point, and from there we should really be out of sight instead we are 3 points ahead, Its really poor management if you ask me, but a learning curb unfortunately at the highest level.

Cant really excuse ignoring giroud, and not setting up team accordingly to its strength

Ive said for two months or more that 4th flatters us...I had us 8th this term...I'm massively chuffed we are still 4th...we wont be by month end

We aren't good enough

Agreed the table looks more representative of the quality we have seen this season now, i expected Chelsea to let Sheffield United and Spurs back into the top 4 battle.

I'm backing Spurs to take it.

If...by some stretch we can get Pulisic Tammy Kante AC RLC & CHO back fit in the next two weeks, we might hold onto a Euromick slot...

Not that I want us in that shat...but that is our reality

I find the idea that Chelsea would run their business with such reckless abandonment frankly ludicrous, to be honest.
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The act of hiring Lampard in the first place was reckless (same with Solskjaer). He filled no acceptable criteria which would've made him qualified for the position. Was like sticking an intern in charge, if you don't allow him the time to learn on the job & account for the possibility of short term failure in the interim - then his appointment is rendered ludicrous. A waste of everyone's time.

Just to be clear, say we lose to Spurs on the weekend & the next day I see the news Lampard's been sacked, I won't be the least bit surprised. I just have to hope the club entered into this appointment not expecting anymore than this so soon.

But there’s a huge difference between appointing him in the first place (which you were kind of forced into due to circumstance), and appointing him and having no expectation whatsoever in terms of results, allowing him to finish anywhere between 17th and 5th without repercussions. Chelsea won’t do that, because they aren’t demented and ruled by sentimentality.

Mason

Why were we forced to appoint him...?

Why couldn't we have appointed someone else...?

Well you could have, but I think the transfer ban and Hazard leaving made Chelsea a difficult sell to managers. Especially the most promising ones.

Lampard doesn’t have the same worries a more established manager has when managing Chelsea in these circumstances as he’s just starting out in the game and a club legend, he would always jump at the chance because he’s not achieved anything in management to actually warrant the job. Circumstances dictated the appointment I’d say.

I do not for one second think Chelsea would be managed by Lampard had they not had their transfer ban.

I think he was always earmarked for the job at some stage...granted circumstances may have pushed that agenda forward a bit

Hazard was always leaving though, & Pulisic had been signed potentially in his place, & has shown promise prior to injury...& we knew we had a crop of youngsters that just needed a chance