Are you being sarcastic? I hope that you are.
How’s does tots stop the millimetres thing, it just moves the line.
Will be great for our counter attack though! Defenders will need a few years to fully adjust.
I would use the daylight/floodlight theory. If you can see light between the attacker and the defender its offside.
Slightly advantageous to the attacker, but could only result in more goals or tackles if anything. Thus making the game more exciting.
Only part of your body you cannot score with are the hands. How does this change anything?
comment by Paul Scholes (U14913)
posted 10 minutes ago
Only part of your body you cannot score with are the hands. How does this change anything?
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because now its only your foot has to be level and rest of you can be ahead of the defender.
its essentially the current VAR rule but now you just need one part to be level and not every part.
If all of the ball must cross the line for a goal, all of a foot must be in an offside position.
I hate VAR.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 hours ago
How’s does tots stop the millimetres thing, it just moves the line.
Will be great for our counter attack though! Defenders will need a few years to fully adjust.
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By allowing an advantage to the attacker like we used to have
But the opposition team will still want VAR when a player might be offside within the new rules... the millimetre line just goes from front of body to back of body.... we will still have the wait, there uncertainty around celebrations (though hopefully less so).
'Daylight' is the only adequate solution to the nonsense that is VAR.
Or... the pictures that the VAR ref sees on his telly in his caravan at Heathrow are not broadcast by the TV companies and the discussion with the VAR ref and the match ref stays with them and the decision is given by the match ref without the need for any explanation.
I would prefer to revert back to 'the referee's decision is final'. Action replays benefit the TV armchair supporters only (which is all that VAR basically is; so, what's new about them?). People in the stadiums only see what the ref sees. He makes an instant decision based on what he has seen and we all move on, accept the result, go home and possibly moan and banter about what could have been it in the pub later. Some will even go on about it for years after. But, hey-ho, that is/was being a football supporter.
It's the TV companies dictating who show endless replays and hours of ridiculous idiotic panel debates that are spoiling what was once was a very exciting, live, spectator sport.
I like the idea that the entire attackers body has to be offside. It'd still cause marginal decisions of course but at least it would favour the attacker. I also don't mind the idea of just making the line thicker to counteract the frames being too slow issue.
I'd just give the VAR van 30 seconds after the goal to rule it out... If they can't, the goal stands. No computer lines, just 3 video angles, 10 seconds each.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 35 minutes ago
I'd just give the VAR van 30 seconds after the goal to rule it out... If they can't, the goal stands. No computer lines, just 3 video angles, 10 seconds each.
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I don't think we'll go back to that now I'm afraid. What I'd do is have too thick lines for the defender and the attacker. If they cross at any point it's onside. That shouldn't take too long.
Yea, that would help... surely AI can do this stuff now anyway?
My pet hate is the wait and muted celebrations, it feels like every goal is gonna get wiped off, right now. The decision should take seconds.
I like Wenger's rule though, in general. Will be great for the likes of Dan James! Maybe time to revisit signing Usian Bolt.
Whatever you do, VAR has opened a can of worms that isn’t easy to fix. Wherever you choose the point of offside, whether it’s a part of the body or daylight, you’re still working on looking at film which only works at a certain number of frames per second to try and figure out if someone if off by millimetres, it’s always good g to be flawed.
I still think it should just solely be down to feet.
The point of contact is the floor, surely more accurate than drawing a line up to someones armpit.
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 49 seconds ago
I still think it should just solely be down to feet.
The point of contact is the floor, surely more accurate than drawing a line up to someones armpit.
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100% this.
The whole of the body needs to be offside for it to be offside. That's the way I'd do it.
This won’t change anything regarding fine lines for offside. The line will just be in a different position.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
This won’t change anything regarding fine lines for offside. The line will just be in a different position.
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That's why I'd make the lines a little thicker so that it doesn't take as long to make the bloody decision!
how do they know the exact moment the ball leaves the passers foot, how many mm accurate can they get it
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 34 minutes ago
This won’t change anything regarding fine lines for offside. The line will just be in a different position.
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Exactly, it won't solve anything. Instead it will just mean offside players scoring goals.
If you want more goals awarded (unfairly) for excitement and more controversy then fine. Certainly doesn't solve the whole problem though, it just makes it worse.
People just need to accept the rules for what they are, understand some will go for you and some against you, that's it.
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 28 minutes ago
how do they know the exact moment the ball leaves the passers foot, how many mm accurate can they get it
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That's the hard part, no matter what the rules are with the lines being drawn etc.
The problem isn't VAR, it's the rules. Just like when offside was first introduced we are at a key inflection point where the rules need to evolve to account for the times. VAR had to be done, human ability just qasnt enough with the bigger stakes, faster players and finer margins in the games these days. But now we need to update offside rules to make the game better. The whole body (expect arms) rule makes sense and easier to evaluate and swallow for those kn the wrong side if a decision. Attackers will adapt quicker but defenders will soon follow.
Gonna be so much easier for attackers to start a run at full sprint and still be onside, naturally you could be a yard or two past the defender and your back foot/standing leg would still make you 'onside'.
Slower defenders are fcked.
What Wenger suggests changes nothing. Can't believe he said that to be honest. Someone on here said it already, the only part you cannot score with is your hands.
You can even score with your diiiick. Are they going to check for bulges sticking past the defender now.
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posted on 19/2/20
Are you being sarcastic? I hope that you are.
posted on 19/2/20
How’s does tots stop the millimetres thing, it just moves the line.
Will be great for our counter attack though! Defenders will need a few years to fully adjust.
posted on 19/2/20
I would use the daylight/floodlight theory. If you can see light between the attacker and the defender its offside.
Slightly advantageous to the attacker, but could only result in more goals or tackles if anything. Thus making the game more exciting.
posted on 19/2/20
Only part of your body you cannot score with are the hands. How does this change anything?
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Paul Scholes (U14913)
posted 10 minutes ago
Only part of your body you cannot score with are the hands. How does this change anything?
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because now its only your foot has to be level and rest of you can be ahead of the defender.
its essentially the current VAR rule but now you just need one part to be level and not every part.
posted on 19/2/20
If all of the ball must cross the line for a goal, all of a foot must be in an offside position.
I hate VAR.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 2 hours ago
How’s does tots stop the millimetres thing, it just moves the line.
Will be great for our counter attack though! Defenders will need a few years to fully adjust.
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By allowing an advantage to the attacker like we used to have
posted on 19/2/20
But the opposition team will still want VAR when a player might be offside within the new rules... the millimetre line just goes from front of body to back of body.... we will still have the wait, there uncertainty around celebrations (though hopefully less so).
posted on 19/2/20
'Daylight' is the only adequate solution to the nonsense that is VAR.
Or... the pictures that the VAR ref sees on his telly in his caravan at Heathrow are not broadcast by the TV companies and the discussion with the VAR ref and the match ref stays with them and the decision is given by the match ref without the need for any explanation.
I would prefer to revert back to 'the referee's decision is final'. Action replays benefit the TV armchair supporters only (which is all that VAR basically is; so, what's new about them?). People in the stadiums only see what the ref sees. He makes an instant decision based on what he has seen and we all move on, accept the result, go home and possibly moan and banter about what could have been it in the pub later. Some will even go on about it for years after. But, hey-ho, that is/was being a football supporter.
It's the TV companies dictating who show endless replays and hours of ridiculous idiotic panel debates that are spoiling what was once was a very exciting, live, spectator sport.
posted on 19/2/20
I like the idea that the entire attackers body has to be offside. It'd still cause marginal decisions of course but at least it would favour the attacker. I also don't mind the idea of just making the line thicker to counteract the frames being too slow issue.
posted on 19/2/20
I'd just give the VAR van 30 seconds after the goal to rule it out... If they can't, the goal stands. No computer lines, just 3 video angles, 10 seconds each.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - Ole's joy Manticore (U2958)
posted 35 minutes ago
I'd just give the VAR van 30 seconds after the goal to rule it out... If they can't, the goal stands. No computer lines, just 3 video angles, 10 seconds each.
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I don't think we'll go back to that now I'm afraid. What I'd do is have too thick lines for the defender and the attacker. If they cross at any point it's onside. That shouldn't take too long.
posted on 19/2/20
Yea, that would help... surely AI can do this stuff now anyway?
My pet hate is the wait and muted celebrations, it feels like every goal is gonna get wiped off, right now. The decision should take seconds.
I like Wenger's rule though, in general. Will be great for the likes of Dan James! Maybe time to revisit signing Usian Bolt.
posted on 19/2/20
Whatever you do, VAR has opened a can of worms that isn’t easy to fix. Wherever you choose the point of offside, whether it’s a part of the body or daylight, you’re still working on looking at film which only works at a certain number of frames per second to try and figure out if someone if off by millimetres, it’s always good g to be flawed.
posted on 19/2/20
I still think it should just solely be down to feet.
The point of contact is the floor, surely more accurate than drawing a line up to someones armpit.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Pride of the North (U6803)
posted 49 seconds ago
I still think it should just solely be down to feet.
The point of contact is the floor, surely more accurate than drawing a line up to someones armpit.
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100% this.
posted on 19/2/20
The whole of the body needs to be offside for it to be offside. That's the way I'd do it.
posted on 19/2/20
This won’t change anything regarding fine lines for offside. The line will just be in a different position.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
This won’t change anything regarding fine lines for offside. The line will just be in a different position.
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That's why I'd make the lines a little thicker so that it doesn't take as long to make the bloody decision!
posted on 19/2/20
how do they know the exact moment the ball leaves the passers foot, how many mm accurate can they get it
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 34 minutes ago
This won’t change anything regarding fine lines for offside. The line will just be in a different position.
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Exactly, it won't solve anything. Instead it will just mean offside players scoring goals.
If you want more goals awarded (unfairly) for excitement and more controversy then fine. Certainly doesn't solve the whole problem though, it just makes it worse.
People just need to accept the rules for what they are, understand some will go for you and some against you, that's it.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Taki Minamino (U20650)
posted 28 minutes ago
how do they know the exact moment the ball leaves the passers foot, how many mm accurate can they get it
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That's the hard part, no matter what the rules are with the lines being drawn etc.
posted on 19/2/20
The problem isn't VAR, it's the rules. Just like when offside was first introduced we are at a key inflection point where the rules need to evolve to account for the times. VAR had to be done, human ability just qasnt enough with the bigger stakes, faster players and finer margins in the games these days. But now we need to update offside rules to make the game better. The whole body (expect arms) rule makes sense and easier to evaluate and swallow for those kn the wrong side if a decision. Attackers will adapt quicker but defenders will soon follow.
posted on 19/2/20
Gonna be so much easier for attackers to start a run at full sprint and still be onside, naturally you could be a yard or two past the defender and your back foot/standing leg would still make you 'onside'.
Slower defenders are fcked.
posted on 19/2/20
What Wenger suggests changes nothing. Can't believe he said that to be honest. Someone on here said it already, the only part you cannot score with is your hands.
You can even score with your diiiick. Are they going to check for bulges sticking past the defender now.
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