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comment by gratedbean (U4885)
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comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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It’s own rules have an appeals process so I’m not sure how you work that one out?
Champers
In what way are UEFA the victims parents in your example? That would imply they are the victims of City’s wrongdoing somehow.
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posted 31 seconds ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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Weird isn’t it. They’ll be asking for someone independent to enforce our laws next. Those pesky police and judges can’t be trusted.
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Think about what you're saying...If we can always trust the police then surely we could just accept their original version of events about Hillsborough, no? Absolutely no need for any further inquiries, what they said should have just been accepted, cos, like, police and stuff?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Champers
In what way are UEFA the victims parents in your example? That would imply they are the victims of City’s wrongdoing somehow.
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What I'm saying, and it's something City said themselves is that this whole process has been a UEFA led thing and they have felt they've been found guilty from the start. Just because someone has power, doesn't automatically mean they are correct. Anybody accused of anything has the right to what they seem a fair trial. As I see it, that's all City are asking for. What's wrong with that?
I think it's UEFA's motive that people will struggle with but tbf Ive said before that they have it in for City. It has been chock full with corruption for a long time and I've little doubt there is still nefarious goings on in some way or another.
We'll see, City are pretty adamant, and I've a feeling the punishment will be reduced at the very least. Not going to lie though, findings of a frivolous appeal would make me smile. I'm easily entertained though.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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UEFA and it's employees aren't exactly squeaky clean though as has been proven in the past.
There's surely no harm in having an independent set of eyes look over this? If you were accused of killing someone, you wouldn't have the victims' parents on the jury.
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No you wouldnt, but you would have the the Police, and the judiciary prosecuting you.
Organisations and groups who haven't been squeaky clean in the past.
You could bring up past indiscretions from pretty much every governing body, or institution that's been involved in anything, ever.
That's simply not a defence for breaking the rules.
Reading between the lines, it seems citys defence wont be about proving their innocence, but will go more along the lines of pointing fingers at other clubs like Bayern, PSG, Juve, etc, in regards to things they may or may not have done in the past.
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 3 hours, 34 minutes ago
Don't know why they bother wasting ridiculous sums of money on court cases, independent investigators and juries etc when they could've just asked the Man City chief executive.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 seconds ago
I think it's UEFA's motive that people will struggle with but tbf Ive said before that they have it in for City. It has been chock full with corruption for a long time and I've little doubt there is still nefarious goings on in some way or another.
We'll see, City are pretty adamant, and I've a feeling the punishment will be reduced at the very least. Not going to lie though, findings of a frivolous appeal would make me smile. I'm easily entertained though.
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I agree with every word of that, and IF City have broken the rules then they absolutely deserve to have the book thrown at them in accordance with the laws. But I want to see it proven beyond all reasonable doubt before casting aspersions on any English club.
I don't think UEFA have it in for just City though, or certainly haven't in the past. That Chelsea v Barcelona CL semi in 2009 will always annoy me as there is no way anybody could convince me that, unless they played Barca completely off the park that night, that it was already predetermined that they were not to make the final. Some of the decisions in that game were beyond ludicrous and had a Chelsea player been sawn in half in the penalty area, the ref would have still found a way to disallow the penalty claim. Sure, Chelsea could have defended better at the end, but UEFA got their showpiece final whilst Chelsea players got bans and fines for simply speaking the truth.
I've long held the belief UEFA are a set of English hating ball bags and it could be your club they try stitch up next, so I wouldn't rush to fight their corner merely to score a few cheap points on a rival.
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posted 31 seconds ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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Weird isn’t it. They’ll be asking for someone independent to enforce our laws next. Those pesky police and judges can’t be trusted.
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Think about what you're saying...If we can always trust the police then surely we could just accept their original version of events about Hillsborough, no? Absolutely no need for any further inquiries, what they said should have just been accepted, cos, like, police and stuff?
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I didn’t say they can always be trusted. Not saying UEFA can always be trusted. It just seems City’s defence is more interested in whataboutery than proving their own innocence. UEFA are the governing body, of course they’re going to enforce their own rules, just like the FA over here and, to a wider extent, the police/judiciary in enforcing the laws of the land.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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UEFA and it's employees aren't exactly squeaky clean though as has been proven in the past.
There's surely no harm in having an independent set of eyes look over this? If you were accused of killing someone, you wouldn't have the victims' parents on the jury.
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No you wouldnt, but you would have the the Police, and the judiciary prosecuting you.
Organisations and groups who haven't been squeaky clean in the past.
You could bring up past indiscretions from pretty much every governing body, or institution that's been involved in anything, ever.
That's simply not a defence for breaking the rules.
Reading between the lines, it seems citys defence wont be about proving their innocence, but will go more along the lines of pointing fingers at other clubs like Bayern, PSG, Juve, etc, in regards to things they may or may not have done in the past.
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But the point is surely that City don't believe they've broken any rules, hence why they are refusing to drop the matter and want it looked at independently?
In terms of others' past indiscretions, I've always found it a little strange that Real Madrid were able to be bailed out of their enormous debt by the Spanish Government a few years ago. Got a nice deal "selling off" their training ground from what I recall, although I don't remember UEFA finding that a little bit unusual or feeling the deal should have been investigated.
I don't trust UEFA one iota, and firmly believe City are taking the correct course of action here, regardless of whether they're actually guilty or not.
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
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posted 31 seconds ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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Weird isn’t it. They’ll be asking for someone independent to enforce our laws next. Those pesky police and judges can’t be trusted.
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Think about what you're saying...If we can always trust the police then surely we could just accept their original version of events about Hillsborough, no? Absolutely no need for any further inquiries, what they said should have just been accepted, cos, like, police and stuff?
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I didn’t say they can always be trusted. Not saying UEFA can always be trusted. It just seems City’s defence is more interested in whataboutery than proving their own innocence. UEFA are the governing body, of course they’re going to enforce their own rules, just like the FA over here and, to a wider extent, the police/judiciary in enforcing the laws of the land.
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Yep, true, but like in any walk of life City are exercising their right to appeal. They might be one step further on than being innocent until proven guilty, but I welcome their stance rather than criticise them for it. I can see a few cans of worms being opened up before this whole saga is resolved.
I remember that Barca game, some very major and strange decisions and it was a joke tbh on at least two penalties.
I dont think it's so much English clubs, I think they love Liverpool and Utd, but rather they favour the old guard like Milan and Bayern. I remember vs Fiorentina the ref awarding them a penalty against us and then changed it to a corner. The ghost goal of course. Lovely penalty vs Milan in 2005. Henchoz having about 31 handballs in 2001.
I don't think they like Chelsea, City or PSG though and if Leipzig continue their meteoric rise it will be interesting to see if they get similar treatment.
At the same time it would be of no surprise, and I mean at all, that it turns out the amount of spending City had in those years was not in line with FFP.
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 seconds ago
I think it's UEFA's motive that people will struggle with but tbf Ive said before that they have it in for City. It has been chock full with corruption for a long time and I've little doubt there is still nefarious goings on in some way or another.
We'll see, City are pretty adamant, and I've a feeling the punishment will be reduced at the very least. Not going to lie though, findings of a frivolous appeal would make me smile. I'm easily entertained though.
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I agree with every word of that, and IF City have broken the rules then they absolutely deserve to have the book thrown at them in accordance with the laws. But I want to see it proven beyond all reasonable doubt before casting aspersions on any English club.
I don't think UEFA have it in for just City though, or certainly haven't in the past. That Chelsea v Barcelona CL semi in 2009 will always annoy me as there is no way anybody could convince me that, unless they played Barca completely off the park that night, that it was already predetermined that they were not to make the final. Some of the decisions in that game were beyond ludicrous and had a Chelsea player been sawn in half in the penalty area, the ref would have still found a way to disallow the penalty claim. Sure, Chelsea could have defended better at the end, but UEFA got their showpiece final whilst Chelsea players got bans and fines for simply speaking the truth.
I've long held the belief UEFA are a set of English hating ball bags and it could be your club they try stitch up next, so I wouldn't rush to fight their corner merely to score a few cheap points on a rival.
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Even as a Barca fan I felt uncomfortable with the refs decisions. Chelsea should have won.
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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UEFA and it's employees aren't exactly squeaky clean though as has been proven in the past.
There's surely no harm in having an independent set of eyes look over this? If you were accused of killing someone, you wouldn't have the victims' parents on the jury.
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No you wouldnt, but you would have the the Police, and the judiciary prosecuting you.
Organisations and groups who haven't been squeaky clean in the past.
You could bring up past indiscretions from pretty much every governing body, or institution that's been involved in anything, ever.
That's simply not a defence for breaking the rules.
Reading between the lines, it seems citys defence wont be about proving their innocence, but will go more along the lines of pointing fingers at other clubs like Bayern, PSG, Juve, etc, in regards to things they may or may not have done in the past.
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You don’t need to read between the lines, we’ve been very clear we are going to complain to CAS about both the process and the evidence.
I don't trust UEFA one iota
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Right, so you point of view is already biased based on an unfounded feeling, or thought, that these Europeans can't be trusted, and are out to get the British. 😂
All sounds a little brexity to me. 😂
Appreciate Robbing being sensible on the matter
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 18 seconds ago
I don't trust UEFA one iota
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Right, so you point of view is already biased based on an unfounded feeling, or thought, that these Europeans can't be trusted, and are out to get the British. 😂
All sounds a little brexity to me. 😂
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You don't trust City one iota
Facking numpties
Let City worry about its problems and Pool fans should worry about the state of Anfield
Its falling down apparently, not fit for purpose,wouldnt pass any inspection,why would the Atletico official lie,hes highly respected ,get the builders in quick ffs
comment by somethingelse (U3109)
posted 19 seconds ago
Let City worry about its problems and Pool fans should worry about the state of Anfield
Its falling down apparently, not fit for purpose,wouldnt pass any inspection,why would the Atletico official lie,hes highly respected ,get the builders in quick ffs
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What?
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by somethingelse (U3109)
posted 19 seconds ago
Let City worry about its problems and Pool fans should worry about the state of Anfield
Its falling down apparently, not fit for purpose,wouldnt pass any inspection,why would the Atletico official lie,hes highly respected ,get the builders in quick ffs
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What?
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comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by somethingelse (U3109)
posted 19 seconds ago
Let City worry about its problems and Pool fans should worry about the state of Anfield
Its falling down apparently, not fit for purpose,wouldnt pass any inspection,why would the Atletico official lie,hes highly respected ,get the builders in quick ffs
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What?
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that's not a good attitude to spectator safety
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 9 minutes ago
I don't trust UEFA one iota
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Right, so you point of view is already biased based on an unfounded feeling, or thought, that these Europeans can't be trusted, and are out to get the British. 😂
All sounds a little brexity to me. 😂
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If the fact that their President up until 2015 was found guilty of ethics violations and banned from all of football for 8 years isn't enough to spark a good reason for a person to distrust them, then I'd argue that maybe that person simply has their own agenda and won't be swayed from that no matter what. See, we can all make assumptions.
I voted remain, FWIW.
Let City worry about its problems
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Like filling the stadium for instance.
Shocking turn out for a PL game.
Who to trust, City or UEFA?
Let’s be honest, neither are to be trusted implicitly and none of us truly know what has gone on here.
I think most of us feel that City can’t possibly have grown as quickly as their accounts would make you believe but we have very little to back that up.
When you strip back the apparent ‘cheating’, is it even fair anyway? Why shouldn’t clubs spend their owners money in order to play catch up?
What a shame, that a football has been so commercialised that this needs to happen. What a shame that competition for trophies a pipe dream for such a huge percentage of clubs.
What a mess the people running our game have made.
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posted 10 minutes ago
Let City worry about its problems
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Like filling the stadium for instance.
Shocking turn out for a PL game.
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comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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It’s own rules have an appeals process so I’m not sure how you work that one out?
posted on 19/2/20
Champers
In what way are UEFA the victims parents in your example? That would imply they are the victims of City’s wrongdoing somehow.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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Weird isn’t it. They’ll be asking for someone independent to enforce our laws next. Those pesky police and judges can’t be trusted.
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Think about what you're saying...If we can always trust the police then surely we could just accept their original version of events about Hillsborough, no? Absolutely no need for any further inquiries, what they said should have just been accepted, cos, like, police and stuff?
posted on 19/2/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 1 minute ago
Champers
In what way are UEFA the victims parents in your example? That would imply they are the victims of City’s wrongdoing somehow.
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What I'm saying, and it's something City said themselves is that this whole process has been a UEFA led thing and they have felt they've been found guilty from the start. Just because someone has power, doesn't automatically mean they are correct. Anybody accused of anything has the right to what they seem a fair trial. As I see it, that's all City are asking for. What's wrong with that?
posted on 19/2/20
I think it's UEFA's motive that people will struggle with but tbf Ive said before that they have it in for City. It has been chock full with corruption for a long time and I've little doubt there is still nefarious goings on in some way or another.
We'll see, City are pretty adamant, and I've a feeling the punishment will be reduced at the very least. Not going to lie though, findings of a frivolous appeal would make me smile. I'm easily entertained though.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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UEFA and it's employees aren't exactly squeaky clean though as has been proven in the past.
There's surely no harm in having an independent set of eyes look over this? If you were accused of killing someone, you wouldn't have the victims' parents on the jury.
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No you wouldnt, but you would have the the Police, and the judiciary prosecuting you.
Organisations and groups who haven't been squeaky clean in the past.
You could bring up past indiscretions from pretty much every governing body, or institution that's been involved in anything, ever.
That's simply not a defence for breaking the rules.
Reading between the lines, it seems citys defence wont be about proving their innocence, but will go more along the lines of pointing fingers at other clubs like Bayern, PSG, Juve, etc, in regards to things they may or may not have done in the past.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Mike (U1170)
posted 3 hours, 34 minutes ago
Don't know why they bother wasting ridiculous sums of money on court cases, independent investigators and juries etc when they could've just asked the Man City chief executive.
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posted on 19/2/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 seconds ago
I think it's UEFA's motive that people will struggle with but tbf Ive said before that they have it in for City. It has been chock full with corruption for a long time and I've little doubt there is still nefarious goings on in some way or another.
We'll see, City are pretty adamant, and I've a feeling the punishment will be reduced at the very least. Not going to lie though, findings of a frivolous appeal would make me smile. I'm easily entertained though.
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I agree with every word of that, and IF City have broken the rules then they absolutely deserve to have the book thrown at them in accordance with the laws. But I want to see it proven beyond all reasonable doubt before casting aspersions on any English club.
I don't think UEFA have it in for just City though, or certainly haven't in the past. That Chelsea v Barcelona CL semi in 2009 will always annoy me as there is no way anybody could convince me that, unless they played Barca completely off the park that night, that it was already predetermined that they were not to make the final. Some of the decisions in that game were beyond ludicrous and had a Chelsea player been sawn in half in the penalty area, the ref would have still found a way to disallow the penalty claim. Sure, Chelsea could have defended better at the end, but UEFA got their showpiece final whilst Chelsea players got bans and fines for simply speaking the truth.
I've long held the belief UEFA are a set of English hating ball bags and it could be your club they try stitch up next, so I wouldn't rush to fight their corner merely to score a few cheap points on a rival.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
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posted 31 seconds ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 34 minutes ago
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posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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Weird isn’t it. They’ll be asking for someone independent to enforce our laws next. Those pesky police and judges can’t be trusted.
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Think about what you're saying...If we can always trust the police then surely we could just accept their original version of events about Hillsborough, no? Absolutely no need for any further inquiries, what they said should have just been accepted, cos, like, police and stuff?
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I didn’t say they can always be trusted. Not saying UEFA can always be trusted. It just seems City’s defence is more interested in whataboutery than proving their own innocence. UEFA are the governing body, of course they’re going to enforce their own rules, just like the FA over here and, to a wider extent, the police/judiciary in enforcing the laws of the land.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 4 minutes ago
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posted 5 minutes ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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UEFA and it's employees aren't exactly squeaky clean though as has been proven in the past.
There's surely no harm in having an independent set of eyes look over this? If you were accused of killing someone, you wouldn't have the victims' parents on the jury.
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No you wouldnt, but you would have the the Police, and the judiciary prosecuting you.
Organisations and groups who haven't been squeaky clean in the past.
You could bring up past indiscretions from pretty much every governing body, or institution that's been involved in anything, ever.
That's simply not a defence for breaking the rules.
Reading between the lines, it seems citys defence wont be about proving their innocence, but will go more along the lines of pointing fingers at other clubs like Bayern, PSG, Juve, etc, in regards to things they may or may not have done in the past.
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But the point is surely that City don't believe they've broken any rules, hence why they are refusing to drop the matter and want it looked at independently?
In terms of others' past indiscretions, I've always found it a little strange that Real Madrid were able to be bailed out of their enormous debt by the Spanish Government a few years ago. Got a nice deal "selling off" their training ground from what I recall, although I don't remember UEFA finding that a little bit unusual or feeling the deal should have been investigated.
I don't trust UEFA one iota, and firmly believe City are taking the correct course of action here, regardless of whether they're actually guilty or not.
posted on 19/2/20
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comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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Weird isn’t it. They’ll be asking for someone independent to enforce our laws next. Those pesky police and judges can’t be trusted.
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Think about what you're saying...If we can always trust the police then surely we could just accept their original version of events about Hillsborough, no? Absolutely no need for any further inquiries, what they said should have just been accepted, cos, like, police and stuff?
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I didn’t say they can always be trusted. Not saying UEFA can always be trusted. It just seems City’s defence is more interested in whataboutery than proving their own innocence. UEFA are the governing body, of course they’re going to enforce their own rules, just like the FA over here and, to a wider extent, the police/judiciary in enforcing the laws of the land.
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Yep, true, but like in any walk of life City are exercising their right to appeal. They might be one step further on than being innocent until proven guilty, but I welcome their stance rather than criticise them for it. I can see a few cans of worms being opened up before this whole saga is resolved.
posted on 19/2/20
I remember that Barca game, some very major and strange decisions and it was a joke tbh on at least two penalties.
I dont think it's so much English clubs, I think they love Liverpool and Utd, but rather they favour the old guard like Milan and Bayern. I remember vs Fiorentina the ref awarding them a penalty against us and then changed it to a corner. The ghost goal of course. Lovely penalty vs Milan in 2005. Henchoz having about 31 handballs in 2001.
I don't think they like Chelsea, City or PSG though and if Leipzig continue their meteoric rise it will be interesting to see if they get similar treatment.
At the same time it would be of no surprise, and I mean at all, that it turns out the amount of spending City had in those years was not in line with FFP.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 seconds ago
I think it's UEFA's motive that people will struggle with but tbf Ive said before that they have it in for City. It has been chock full with corruption for a long time and I've little doubt there is still nefarious goings on in some way or another.
We'll see, City are pretty adamant, and I've a feeling the punishment will be reduced at the very least. Not going to lie though, findings of a frivolous appeal would make me smile. I'm easily entertained though.
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I agree with every word of that, and IF City have broken the rules then they absolutely deserve to have the book thrown at them in accordance with the laws. But I want to see it proven beyond all reasonable doubt before casting aspersions on any English club.
I don't think UEFA have it in for just City though, or certainly haven't in the past. That Chelsea v Barcelona CL semi in 2009 will always annoy me as there is no way anybody could convince me that, unless they played Barca completely off the park that night, that it was already predetermined that they were not to make the final. Some of the decisions in that game were beyond ludicrous and had a Chelsea player been sawn in half in the penalty area, the ref would have still found a way to disallow the penalty claim. Sure, Chelsea could have defended better at the end, but UEFA got their showpiece final whilst Chelsea players got bans and fines for simply speaking the truth.
I've long held the belief UEFA are a set of English hating ball bags and it could be your club they try stitch up next, so I wouldn't rush to fight their corner merely to score a few cheap points on a rival.
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Even as a Barca fan I felt uncomfortable with the refs decisions. Chelsea should have won.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Liverpoolwhoelse17 (U16825)
posted 6 minutes ago
IF LFC had done something wrong. we would deserve the punishment..seems that man-city are the only 1s who want to get away it. pu$$ies
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For me it’s not about wanting to get away with it. It’s about wanting to hear and understand the evidence and have an independent body make a decision.
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I find it odd that Man City, and their fans, believe a governing body isn't in a position to enforce it own rules, via Uefa’s club financial control body (CFCB).
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UEFA and it's employees aren't exactly squeaky clean though as has been proven in the past.
There's surely no harm in having an independent set of eyes look over this? If you were accused of killing someone, you wouldn't have the victims' parents on the jury.
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No you wouldnt, but you would have the the Police, and the judiciary prosecuting you.
Organisations and groups who haven't been squeaky clean in the past.
You could bring up past indiscretions from pretty much every governing body, or institution that's been involved in anything, ever.
That's simply not a defence for breaking the rules.
Reading between the lines, it seems citys defence wont be about proving their innocence, but will go more along the lines of pointing fingers at other clubs like Bayern, PSG, Juve, etc, in regards to things they may or may not have done in the past.
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You don’t need to read between the lines, we’ve been very clear we are going to complain to CAS about both the process and the evidence.
posted on 19/2/20
I don't trust UEFA one iota
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Right, so you point of view is already biased based on an unfounded feeling, or thought, that these Europeans can't be trusted, and are out to get the British. 😂
All sounds a little brexity to me. 😂
posted on 19/2/20
Appreciate Robbing being sensible on the matter
posted on 19/2/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 18 seconds ago
I don't trust UEFA one iota
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Right, so you point of view is already biased based on an unfounded feeling, or thought, that these Europeans can't be trusted, and are out to get the British. 😂
All sounds a little brexity to me. 😂
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You don't trust City one iota
Facking numpties
posted on 19/2/20
Let City worry about its problems and Pool fans should worry about the state of Anfield
Its falling down apparently, not fit for purpose,wouldnt pass any inspection,why would the Atletico official lie,hes highly respected ,get the builders in quick ffs
posted on 19/2/20
comment by somethingelse (U3109)
posted 19 seconds ago
Let City worry about its problems and Pool fans should worry about the state of Anfield
Its falling down apparently, not fit for purpose,wouldnt pass any inspection,why would the Atletico official lie,hes highly respected ,get the builders in quick ffs
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What?
posted on 19/2/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by somethingelse (U3109)
posted 19 seconds ago
Let City worry about its problems and Pool fans should worry about the state of Anfield
Its falling down apparently, not fit for purpose,wouldnt pass any inspection,why would the Atletico official lie,hes highly respected ,get the builders in quick ffs
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What?
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posted on 19/2/20
comment by Firmino's Brightest Tooth (U1217)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by somethingelse (U3109)
posted 19 seconds ago
Let City worry about its problems and Pool fans should worry about the state of Anfield
Its falling down apparently, not fit for purpose,wouldnt pass any inspection,why would the Atletico official lie,hes highly respected ,get the builders in quick ffs
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What?
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that's not a good attitude to spectator safety
posted on 19/2/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 9 minutes ago
I don't trust UEFA one iota
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Right, so you point of view is already biased based on an unfounded feeling, or thought, that these Europeans can't be trusted, and are out to get the British. 😂
All sounds a little brexity to me. 😂
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If the fact that their President up until 2015 was found guilty of ethics violations and banned from all of football for 8 years isn't enough to spark a good reason for a person to distrust them, then I'd argue that maybe that person simply has their own agenda and won't be swayed from that no matter what. See, we can all make assumptions.
I voted remain, FWIW.
posted on 19/2/20
Let City worry about its problems
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Like filling the stadium for instance.
Shocking turn out for a PL game.
posted on 19/2/20
Who to trust, City or UEFA?
Let’s be honest, neither are to be trusted implicitly and none of us truly know what has gone on here.
I think most of us feel that City can’t possibly have grown as quickly as their accounts would make you believe but we have very little to back that up.
When you strip back the apparent ‘cheating’, is it even fair anyway? Why shouldn’t clubs spend their owners money in order to play catch up?
What a shame, that a football has been so commercialised that this needs to happen. What a shame that competition for trophies a pipe dream for such a huge percentage of clubs.
What a mess the people running our game have made.
posted on 19/2/20
comment by jlou1978 (U15376)
posted 10 minutes ago
Let City worry about its problems
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Like filling the stadium for instance.
Shocking turn out for a PL game.
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Tonight? Seriously?
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