comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Love that people are complaining at the thought of us having top quality squad options.
City bench the likes of the Silvas, Jesus, Gundagon etc every week
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I think it’s more an issue of priorities, Busby.
If we had £250m to spend and a negotiating team that could get five deals over the line this summer, then fine, absolutely.
But we won’t spend that much, and it’s more important we get deals done to improve the first XI than it is stocking up with talent to fill the bench. That can come down the line.
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Yeah, I get that.
However if Ole believes we can pick up more points beating the smaller sides by having more creative options, then why not?
Football is not about the first 11 anymore, it's largely how you handle injuries and rotation to that 11.
If Ole feels Grealish (or whoever) can give the club something for 8 years and it's worth bringing him in how I'm willing to trust his judgement.
"I’m not the biggest advocate of us spending our entire transfer budget and entire summer focussed on prising him away from Dortmund. But he’s on a different level this kid."
I'm willing to reserve judgement based on the games I've seen him play, admittedly probably no more than 10 times.
He doesn't give me the same feeling as a young Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe etc, when you just know they're going to be a superstar. His numbers probably don't lie though, just like Bruno.
comment by Greg- (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Why does everybody include Harry in their teams.
Id ship him out at the same time as Andreas and lingard.
Overpriced, overrated and a bang average defender.
The amount of times this guy smashed the ball out of play against city, and many other teams this season infuriates the hell out of me.
No PL player should be that bad at long passing, bringing pressure back onto their team.
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
"I’m not the biggest advocate of us spending our entire transfer budget and entire summer focussed on prising him away from Dortmund. But he’s on a different level this kid."
I'm willing to reserve judgement based on the games I've seen him play, admittedly probably no more than 10 times.
He doesn't give me the same feeling as a young Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe etc, when you just know they're going to be a superstar. His numbers probably don't lie though, just like Bruno.
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Yeah, in terms of watching him with the ball at his feet, I get what you're saying.
But his numbers are just absolutely ridiculous for a kid. He's been around long enough now that I don't see the possibility that he's waiting to be 'found out' by oppo sides either. He just keeps producing at a phenomenal rate.
As for Grealish and trusting Ole's judgment, I do. I just hope we don't end up chasing and splurging on him at the cost of bringing in any of a CF (which bizarrely might still be Ighalo!), RW, at least one CM and a CB. Those are bigger priorities than another left-sided player or ten now.
If Pogba stays we probably don’t sign a cm. Sancho is the Rooney situation again where we have to act once he’s available. Fergie wanted to wait a year to sign Rooney but his hand was forced. The same may happen with us this summer. If it’s to the detriment of other areas, so be it. It’s not like signing Harry facking Maguire and ignoring other areas, this is a generational talent.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
If Pogba stays we probably don’t sign a cm. Sancho is the Rooney situation again where we have to act once he’s available. Fergie wanted to wait a year to sign Rooney but his hand was forced. The same may happen with us this summer. If it’s to the detriment of other areas, so be it. It’s not like signing Harry facking Maguire and ignoring other areas, this is a generational talent.
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Still think you'll come 'round on Slabberz eventually Dazza
I honestly about 75% sure Pogba is off though.
Doubt it, he’s not very good and is the most expensive defender ever. More chance of Sanchez reviving his career at United.
I’m still unsure whether Pogba leaves or not. Juve are the only ones I could see stumping up the required fee, and I wouldn’t rule out Raiola complicating things to such an extent no deal gets done.
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comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
Doubt it, he’s not very good and is the most expensive defender ever. More chance of Sanchez reviving his career at United.
I’m still unsure whether Pogba leaves or not. Juve are the only ones I could see stumping up the required fee, and I wouldn’t rule out Raiola complicating things to such an extent no deal gets done.
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He is good though. He’s not the world’s best or the PL’s best centreback, but he is a very good, extremely dependable player.
Where would you rank him amongst PL CBs? Whom would you swap him for?
He’s not a very good cb. He’s decent at best. And we paid £80m for the a player that is worse than Smalling. He’s struggle to make top ten. I’d swap him for Luiz ffs. Leicester have actually got better cb’s.
The thing I dislike about him most is his cumbersome style of defending, probably because he reminds me pf that odious priiiiiiick Neil Ruddock.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 43 minutes ago
He’s not a very good cb. He’s decent at best. And we paid £80m for the a player that is worse than Smalling. He’s struggle to make top ten. I’d swap him for Luiz ffs. Leicester have actually got better cb’s.
The thing I dislike about him most is his cumbersome style of defending, probably because he reminds me pf that odious priiiiiiick Neil Ruddock.
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Ouch
I will bet with you now that he gets in the PFA Team of the Year and on the Fifpro shortlist.
Must be popular with his England and United teammates to get any votes.
You didn’t even address the point anyway. Spending most of our transfer budget on Sancho makes more sense than when we did it with Maguire. Unless you’re actually mental enough to think otherwise?
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
You didn’t even address the point anyway. Spending most of our transfer budget on Sancho makes more sense than when we did it with Maguire. Unless you’re actually mental enough to think otherwise?
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I don’t see any evidence that we spent most of our transfer budget on Maguire.
Most of our transfer spend for the summer, true. But not necessarily budget. I’m not getting hung up on that.
Sancho is a different kettle of fish. We might actually end up blowing our entire summer spend on him. I honestly don’t know why Dortmund wouldn’t end up absolutely rinsing someone for him, and rightly so. They’re idiots if they don’t.
They should be opening discussions with an asking price of EUR200m.
Because I doubt anyone will pay that. Most reputable sources have been suggesting £120m is around about their asking price. If we sell Pogba for a reasonable amount that won’t be using up the entirety of our budget, plus I think what our budget it as what is set aside for this type of signing are different things - Wopdward’s mentioned as such.
Sancho would likely transform our right hand side/attack. Maguire hasn’t transformed anything, which is why one is a risk worth taking while the other is one of the most laughable transfers we’ve ever made, which takes some doing with the competition.
Maguire has absolutely improved our defence.
It’s just that we’ve absolutely offset that improvement by letting Smalling go.
It’s like having a Beemer and a Lada in your garage, and buying yourself a second Beemer.
But then having rid of the first, rather than binning the Lada.
AWB has made a bigger difference. Lindelof looks worse playing alongside Maguire because he’s slow and Maguire is inferior to Smalling. But even if I agree with you that he’s improved it, it’s not been transformed - which is what makes the signing even more embarrassing - whereas Sancho likely would given how many levels he is above our other options for the right wing.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
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I'm glad to see someone else shares my views on Harry.
Mike, why did you do the doh smiley on my comment earlier, it's not as if what I said wasn't true.
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
AWB has made a bigger difference. Lindelof looks worse playing alongside Maguire because he’s slow and Maguire is inferior to Smalling. But even if I agree with you that he’s improved it, it’s not been transformed - which is what makes the signing even more embarrassing - whereas Sancho likely would given how many levels he is above our other options for the right wing.
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Sancho would make a step change to any side in world football right now, barring maybe five or six.
I’d rate him up there with Salah and Mahrez already. It’s frightening what that lad could do in time.
I would like you to admit that 50% of your beef with Maguire relates to the transfer fee. Go on, do it. Go on And that a chunk of the rest relates to Smalling being moved out on loan, which didn’t have to be the case just because we signed Harry.
I don’t know how many CBs we might have brought in that would have displayed the dependability, dominance and leadership that Maguire has brought already.
I’ve never denied the transfer fee is a big problem I have with the Maguire signing. It’s a massive reason why it’s such a bad signing.
Yeah, the fee was high, absolutely. Too much so, certainly; but it isn’t the first time we’ve been done on that front, and it won’t be close to the last.
I tend to ignore transfer fees now. There’s an issue if they do eat up your entire transfer budget, of course. But I just don’t see the evidence that it did in this case.
I mean, Ed has already told us, and everyone else, that the club is absolutely minted and ready to spend big money on multiple players
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posted on 11/3/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 30 minutes ago
Love that people are complaining at the thought of us having top quality squad options.
City bench the likes of the Silvas, Jesus, Gundagon etc every week
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I think it’s more an issue of priorities, Busby.
If we had £250m to spend and a negotiating team that could get five deals over the line this summer, then fine, absolutely.
But we won’t spend that much, and it’s more important we get deals done to improve the first XI than it is stocking up with talent to fill the bench. That can come down the line.
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Yeah, I get that.
However if Ole believes we can pick up more points beating the smaller sides by having more creative options, then why not?
Football is not about the first 11 anymore, it's largely how you handle injuries and rotation to that 11.
If Ole feels Grealish (or whoever) can give the club something for 8 years and it's worth bringing him in how I'm willing to trust his judgement.
posted on 11/3/20
"I’m not the biggest advocate of us spending our entire transfer budget and entire summer focussed on prising him away from Dortmund. But he’s on a different level this kid."
I'm willing to reserve judgement based on the games I've seen him play, admittedly probably no more than 10 times.
He doesn't give me the same feeling as a young Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe etc, when you just know they're going to be a superstar. His numbers probably don't lie though, just like Bruno.
posted on 11/3/20
comment by Greg- (U1192)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
Why does everybody include Harry in their teams.
Id ship him out at the same time as Andreas and lingard.
Overpriced, overrated and a bang average defender.
The amount of times this guy smashed the ball out of play against city, and many other teams this season infuriates the hell out of me.
No PL player should be that bad at long passing, bringing pressure back onto their team.
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posted on 11/3/20
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
"I’m not the biggest advocate of us spending our entire transfer budget and entire summer focussed on prising him away from Dortmund. But he’s on a different level this kid."
I'm willing to reserve judgement based on the games I've seen him play, admittedly probably no more than 10 times.
He doesn't give me the same feeling as a young Rooney, Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe etc, when you just know they're going to be a superstar. His numbers probably don't lie though, just like Bruno.
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Yeah, in terms of watching him with the ball at his feet, I get what you're saying.
But his numbers are just absolutely ridiculous for a kid. He's been around long enough now that I don't see the possibility that he's waiting to be 'found out' by oppo sides either. He just keeps producing at a phenomenal rate.
As for Grealish and trusting Ole's judgment, I do. I just hope we don't end up chasing and splurging on him at the cost of bringing in any of a CF (which bizarrely might still be Ighalo!), RW, at least one CM and a CB. Those are bigger priorities than another left-sided player or ten now.
posted on 11/3/20
If Pogba stays we probably don’t sign a cm. Sancho is the Rooney situation again where we have to act once he’s available. Fergie wanted to wait a year to sign Rooney but his hand was forced. The same may happen with us this summer. If it’s to the detriment of other areas, so be it. It’s not like signing Harry facking Maguire and ignoring other areas, this is a generational talent.
posted on 11/3/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
If Pogba stays we probably don’t sign a cm. Sancho is the Rooney situation again where we have to act once he’s available. Fergie wanted to wait a year to sign Rooney but his hand was forced. The same may happen with us this summer. If it’s to the detriment of other areas, so be it. It’s not like signing Harry facking Maguire and ignoring other areas, this is a generational talent.
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Still think you'll come 'round on Slabberz eventually Dazza
I honestly about 75% sure Pogba is off though.
posted on 11/3/20
Doubt it, he’s not very good and is the most expensive defender ever. More chance of Sanchez reviving his career at United.
I’m still unsure whether Pogba leaves or not. Juve are the only ones I could see stumping up the required fee, and I wouldn’t rule out Raiola complicating things to such an extent no deal gets done.
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comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
Doubt it, he’s not very good and is the most expensive defender ever. More chance of Sanchez reviving his career at United.
I’m still unsure whether Pogba leaves or not. Juve are the only ones I could see stumping up the required fee, and I wouldn’t rule out Raiola complicating things to such an extent no deal gets done.
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He is good though. He’s not the world’s best or the PL’s best centreback, but he is a very good, extremely dependable player.
Where would you rank him amongst PL CBs? Whom would you swap him for?
posted on 11/3/20
He’s not a very good cb. He’s decent at best. And we paid £80m for the a player that is worse than Smalling. He’s struggle to make top ten. I’d swap him for Luiz ffs. Leicester have actually got better cb’s.
The thing I dislike about him most is his cumbersome style of defending, probably because he reminds me pf that odious priiiiiiick Neil Ruddock.
posted on 11/3/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 43 minutes ago
He’s not a very good cb. He’s decent at best. And we paid £80m for the a player that is worse than Smalling. He’s struggle to make top ten. I’d swap him for Luiz ffs. Leicester have actually got better cb’s.
The thing I dislike about him most is his cumbersome style of defending, probably because he reminds me pf that odious priiiiiiick Neil Ruddock.
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Ouch
I will bet with you now that he gets in the PFA Team of the Year and on the Fifpro shortlist.
posted on 11/3/20
Must be popular with his England and United teammates to get any votes.
posted on 11/3/20
You didn’t even address the point anyway. Spending most of our transfer budget on Sancho makes more sense than when we did it with Maguire. Unless you’re actually mental enough to think otherwise?
posted on 11/3/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 8 minutes ago
You didn’t even address the point anyway. Spending most of our transfer budget on Sancho makes more sense than when we did it with Maguire. Unless you’re actually mental enough to think otherwise?
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I don’t see any evidence that we spent most of our transfer budget on Maguire.
Most of our transfer spend for the summer, true. But not necessarily budget. I’m not getting hung up on that.
Sancho is a different kettle of fish. We might actually end up blowing our entire summer spend on him. I honestly don’t know why Dortmund wouldn’t end up absolutely rinsing someone for him, and rightly so. They’re idiots if they don’t.
They should be opening discussions with an asking price of EUR200m.
posted on 11/3/20
Because I doubt anyone will pay that. Most reputable sources have been suggesting £120m is around about their asking price. If we sell Pogba for a reasonable amount that won’t be using up the entirety of our budget, plus I think what our budget it as what is set aside for this type of signing are different things - Wopdward’s mentioned as such.
Sancho would likely transform our right hand side/attack. Maguire hasn’t transformed anything, which is why one is a risk worth taking while the other is one of the most laughable transfers we’ve ever made, which takes some doing with the competition.
posted on 11/3/20
Maguire has absolutely improved our defence.
It’s just that we’ve absolutely offset that improvement by letting Smalling go.
It’s like having a Beemer and a Lada in your garage, and buying yourself a second Beemer.
But then having rid of the first, rather than binning the Lada.
posted on 11/3/20
AWB has made a bigger difference. Lindelof looks worse playing alongside Maguire because he’s slow and Maguire is inferior to Smalling. But even if I agree with you that he’s improved it, it’s not been transformed - which is what makes the signing even more embarrassing - whereas Sancho likely would given how many levels he is above our other options for the right wing.
posted on 11/3/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
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I'm glad to see someone else shares my views on Harry.
Mike, why did you do the doh smiley on my comment earlier, it's not as if what I said wasn't true.
posted on 11/3/20
comment by Mason The King Greenwood (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
AWB has made a bigger difference. Lindelof looks worse playing alongside Maguire because he’s slow and Maguire is inferior to Smalling. But even if I agree with you that he’s improved it, it’s not been transformed - which is what makes the signing even more embarrassing - whereas Sancho likely would given how many levels he is above our other options for the right wing.
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Sancho would make a step change to any side in world football right now, barring maybe five or six.
I’d rate him up there with Salah and Mahrez already. It’s frightening what that lad could do in time.
I would like you to admit that 50% of your beef with Maguire relates to the transfer fee. Go on, do it. Go on And that a chunk of the rest relates to Smalling being moved out on loan, which didn’t have to be the case just because we signed Harry.
I don’t know how many CBs we might have brought in that would have displayed the dependability, dominance and leadership that Maguire has brought already.
posted on 11/3/20
I’ve never denied the transfer fee is a big problem I have with the Maguire signing. It’s a massive reason why it’s such a bad signing.
posted on 11/3/20
Yeah, the fee was high, absolutely. Too much so, certainly; but it isn’t the first time we’ve been done on that front, and it won’t be close to the last.
I tend to ignore transfer fees now. There’s an issue if they do eat up your entire transfer budget, of course. But I just don’t see the evidence that it did in this case.
I mean, Ed has already told us, and everyone else, that the club is absolutely minted and ready to spend big money on multiple players
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