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comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 42 minutes ago
When you’re talking about utility bills....exactly do you mean ?

Yep, cancel, Water Rates, Council Tax at the very least

Not sure if cancelling Gas, Electricity, and Phone/Broadband is a viable option - too many corrupt, greedy sods out there that will just abuse the situation


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I’m not talking about cancelling; I’m talking about price control.

Council tax payments should be cancelled though.
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For everyone?

Or those in need? And so we get back to means testing.
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For everyone.
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Why would you have money going to those who don't need it when there are so many others who would?

Makes no sense.
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Because this is an emergency and we're all in this together.
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It's an emergency that well off families get given handouts?

What?

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
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comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 42 minutes ago
When you’re talking about utility bills....exactly do you mean ?

Yep, cancel, Water Rates, Council Tax at the very least

Not sure if cancelling Gas, Electricity, and Phone/Broadband is a viable option - too many corrupt, greedy sods out there that will just abuse the situation


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I’m not talking about cancelling; I’m talking about price control.

Council tax payments should be cancelled though.
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For everyone?

Or those in need? And so we get back to means testing.
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For everyone.
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Why would you have money going to those who don't need it when there are so many others who would?

Makes no sense.
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It isn’t money going to anyone. It’s money not going from the general public to utility companies.

It could be implemented immediately and very easily and would help continue they circulation of cash around the economy.

Just one more note - repeating myself again - for everyone.

Please, please, please stay off the likes of Amazon and ASOS, and where possible, out of the supermarkets.

If you have money to spend and can’t get out of the house, you can find what you’re looking for from an independent small online retailer. Similarly, if you can, visit your local grocer, bakery, market, corner shop, butcher or hardware store.

Right now, more than ever, small indie retailers need your business. Amazon doesn’t.

I get what you’re saying but time is of the essence now and means testing is a recipe for disaster. The only quick way to get help to people is to jettison means testing and give it to as many people as possible. There are downsides of course. As you say, some may not need it, some may abuse the system. But these are very difficult times and the people at the bottom of the pile need help and that’s just the price we’ll have to pay - we have to think more about now than later

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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 14 minutes ago
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 42 minutes ago
When you’re talking about utility bills....exactly do you mean ?

Yep, cancel, Water Rates, Council Tax at the very least

Not sure if cancelling Gas, Electricity, and Phone/Broadband is a viable option - too many corrupt, greedy sods out there that will just abuse the situation


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I’m not talking about cancelling; I’m talking about price control.

Council tax payments should be cancelled though.
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For everyone?

Or those in need? And so we get back to means testing.
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For everyone.
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Why would you have money going to those who don't need it when there are so many others who would?

Makes no sense.
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It isn’t money going to anyone. It’s money not going from the general public to utility companies.

It could be implemented immediately and very easily and would help continue they circulation of cash around the economy.

Just one more note - repeating myself again - for everyone.

Please, please, please stay off the likes of Amazon and ASOS, and where possible, out of the supermarkets.

If you have money to spend and can’t get out of the house, you can find what you’re looking for from an independent small online retailer. Similarly, if you can, visit your local grocer, bakery, market, corner shop, butcher or hardware store.

Right now, more than ever, small indie retailers need your business. Amazon doesn’t.
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And who keeps the utility companies going?

We just end up helping them and the essential fact remains that the government has no money as such.

The government collects yours and my money (and everyone else's) and then dishes it out.

We will pay the bill yet you seem to think that our money should go to those who don't need it.

As for "immediately" I agree the notion of get it out there when we have to; but it must be collected back and firstly from those who never needed it in the first place.

As for your last point; totally agree.

comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
I get what you’re saying but time is of the essence now and means testing is a recipe for disaster. The only quick way to get help to people is to jettison means testing and give it to as many people as possible. There are downsides of course. As you say, some may not need it, some may abuse the system. But these are very difficult times and the people at the bottom of the pile need help and that’s just the price we’ll have to pay - we have to think more about now than later
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I think we're on the same page and it's all about timing.

I'm in full agreement of helping as soon as it's needed and in some cases that is right now. As such, no we don't have time for means testing but it has to be done after the event otherwise we will have wasted many millions upon millions sorely needed elsewhere.

My first suggestion would be to pay more to the emergency service once this is over as a prime example. I'd rather any money that came to me (which I don't need) went there eventually.

We had something slightly similar years ago when Thatcher introduced the poll tax (now council tax) only in Scotland.

Many just refused to pay. Instead of saving the money in families where they could have paid they just ignored it. It all caught up when those who could pay were given a criminal record.

Those who could never have paid this new tax were let free.

Now of course we all pay it. Even today it is grossly unfair and a mess because again it isn't means tested.

Archaic springs to mind.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
posted 2 minutes ago
I get what you’re saying but time is of the essence now and means testing is a recipe for disaster. The only quick way to get help to people is to jettison means testing and give it to as many people as possible. There are downsides of course. As you say, some may not need it, some may abuse the system. But these are very difficult times and the people at the bottom of the pile need help and that’s just the price we’ll have to pay - we have to think more about now than later
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I think we're on the same page and it's all about timing.

I'm in full agreement of helping as soon as it's needed and in some cases that is right now. As such, no we don't have time for means testing but it has to be done after the event otherwise we will have wasted many millions upon millions sorely needed elsewhere.

My first suggestion would be to pay more to the emergency service once this is over as a prime example. I'd rather any money that came to me (which I don't need) went there eventually.

We had something slightly similar years ago when Thatcher introduced the poll tax (now council tax) only in Scotland.

Many just refused to pay. Instead of saving the money in families where they could have paid they just ignored it. It all caught up when those who could pay were given a criminal record.

Those who could never have paid this new tax were let free.

Now of course we all pay it. Even today it is grossly unfair and a mess because again it isn't means tested.

Archaic springs to mind.
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👍

Ginger

UK energy suppliers alone made nearly £400m in profits from consumers last year. Oil prices are at historic lows whilst retail electricity prices are up 4p per kWh since 2017.

The s and their shareholders can and should absorb the cost.

comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
Ginger

UK energy suppliers alone made nearly £400m in profits from consumers last year. Oil prices are at historic lows whilst retail electricity prices are up 4p per kWh since 2017.

Thes and their shareholders can and should absorb the cost.
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I'm certainly all for curbing boardroom excess but we get into different ground here.

I suppose maybe my message wasn't clear enough.

What I'm trying to say is that employers (especially highly profitable ones with deep pockets) must be forced to retain staff on full packages as long as possible before government assistance comes in.

I don't think for a minute that would be easy to manage and I don't have the answers but using average profits over the past 3 years should be a guide to what we as society should expect those businesses to do.

Again it might be an after the event thing but for example say the utility companies make £400m profit; lets staff go, reduce their terms or conditions or whatever that means and their staff then have to be helped out and then after the event they are found to be maintaining or even exceeding their previous average profits; they should be forced to make a sizeable contribution no less than the cost of assisting the employees affected.

Just off the top of my head with no real in depth thought

Just heard on the news that the World Snooker Championships are being postponed until further notice

And that Terry Hearn is working tirelessly for the likes of Judd Trump and other professional who are self employed to try and compensate for the shortfall them and their families they’re expected to take

I mean good God, is our world really that facking warped - we’re talking about some of the richest/highest earners on the planet - and then talking about helping them financially because their self employed income might be somewhat affected

Absolutely makes me vomit 🤬

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Government scientists saying that social distancing will need to stay in place for at least a year.

Bang goes the leisure, entertainment and travel industries then. None of them can survive that

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
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comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
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Government scientists saying that social distancing will need to stay in place for at least a year.

Bang goes the leisure, entertainment and travel industries then. None of them can survive that
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We don't know how this will go despite all of the modelling going on. We are in unknown territory.
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Totally agree which is why I didn't say it

Are birth rates going to increase or decrease?

Sheet all else for people to do at home beyond Netflix and Chill, but no new hookups for a year?...

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comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
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Are birth rates going to increase or decrease?

Sheet all else for people to do at home beyond Netflix and Chill, but no new hookups for a year?...
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They will - in 13 years from now they’ll be knows as the quaranteens (stolen from a meme 😹)

I just told I couldn’t buy 12 Terrys Chocolate Oranges as they were on half price sale at £1 each

Was told that I could only have 3

Has the world gone mad?

Toilet rolls, pasta I can understand, but chocolate oranges - really?

I could go back in 2 minutes though and buy another 3 as that’s classed as a separate occasion

comment by Bryan ROBBson (U22311)
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comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 22 minutes ago
Are birth rates going to increase or decrease?

Sheet all else for people to do at home beyond Netflix and Chill, but no new hookups for a year?...
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They will - in 13 years from now they’ll be knows as the quaranteens (stolen from a meme 😹)
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Coronials

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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
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I just told I couldn’t buy 12 Terrys Chocolate Oranges as they were on half price sale at £1 each

Was told that I could only have 3

Has the world gone mad?

Toilet rolls, pasta I can understand, but chocolate oranges - really?
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Think of your sugar levels.
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That’s why I only went for 12

Just been watching news report from Bergamo hospital in Italy, frightening

Their doctors saying more and more younger cases arriving and say it’s not like flu but a really bad pneumonia

And they it will happen here if the government don’t take drastic measures fast

They say^^

They say^^