he drank his own fish cleaner
I guess Gove was trying to field the 3000 exceptions to the rule that people think they come under...
I want to know who these key/essential people are crammed on public transport in london....
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 36 minutes ago
A guy in Arizona has just died by self medicating on the Anti Malaria drug because he listened to the orange buffoon saying it would treat the virus.
This idiot didn’t even have the virus.
This is a major issue with Trump. His supporters believe everything that comes out of his mouth. Loads of Americans will die or even worse spread the virus killing someone else because they can not distinguish fact from fiction.
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actually scientists have said its shown promising results in treating patients, comparing that to a guy who drank his own fish tank cleaner doesn't make sense
comment by Greenwood FC (U11781)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Government are doing a brilliant job in the most unprecedented times in living history
I’m just grateful we got people who can make such tough decisions at the right time
Just imagine if we’d Corbyn and his cronies in Government....they’d be wanting offer the virus a 2nd vote before just to make sure it was authentic
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Shutup you nonce
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There you go again, this freak as kids on the mind.
These 'people of our country' are (on the whole) the very people who voted for this government in at the last election due to misinformation and lies. They have little collective common sense had have been conditioned over the past 3 years to reject any advice and guidance from 'experts and professionals' relating to Economics Finance and Banking, of which Boris has actively encouraged.
Londoners voted to remain and now they're piling into trains in the middle of a pandemic, clever fookers them remainers.
actually scientists have said its shown promising results in treating patients,
......
They have said this about a few things but nothing definitive.
That doesn’t give the US President the go ahead to spread misinformation which we now know has led to at least one death by stupidity.
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 57 minutes ago
Think the only real problem is self employed not being supported atm. Most if not all non-essential shops are closed
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What about all the businesses like estate agents, leisure industry, independent shops, etc.
Theyve talked a good game but there's no money as yet.
comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
The Government are doing a brilliant job in the most unprecedented times in living history
I’m just grateful we got people who can make such tough decisions at the right time
Just imagine if we’d Corbyn and his cronies in Government....they’d be wanting offer the virus a 2nd vote before just to make sure it was authentic
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How is this even a thing, blame corbyn for Boris and the tory slow response, madness this
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
The Government are doing a brilliant job in the most unprecedented times in living history
I’m just grateful we got people who can make such tough decisions at the right time
Just imagine if we’d Corbyn and his cronies in Government....they’d be wanting offer the virus a 2nd vote before just to make sure it was authentic
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How is this even a thing, blame corbyn for Boris and the tory slow response, madness this
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I just thought as this thread was just about slating politicians, I’d have a go and say Corbyn is nothing more than a terrorist supporting anti-Semitic unt
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The Daily Mail called. It wants it's Tweet back.
Donald Trump is doubling down on previous comments that the US should immediately reopen the economy, bucking advice of health experts. “You can destroy a country this way by shutting it down,” he said on Tuesday.
“You’re going to lose more people by putting the country in a massive recession” or depression. “I would love to have the country opened up and just rearing to go by Easter.”
Jesus, he's gonna kill millions, isn't he? Hope all our American posters manage to say safe from this helmet's refusal to take this seriously.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 18 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 57 minutes ago
Think the only real problem is self employed not being supported atm. Most if not all non-essential shops are closed
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What about all the businesses like estate agents, leisure industry, independent shops, etc.
Theyve talked a good game but there's no money as yet.
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Also, why is it accepted that the self employed can earn more, pay less NI and tax yet when the contract isn't there they need bailing out?
Sorry but it'd the risk vs reward job you sign up for.
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 seconds ago
Being self employed may have it's rewards but it has it's down sides to. But we should encourage people to go into business as it can create jobs other than their own.
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I agree, I've contracted myself in the past. Now I have a mortgage, wife and kids i decided the risk was not worth the rewards.
People know the consequences when they are self employed.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 15 hours, 40 minutes ago
Corbyn is nothing more than a terrorist supporting anti-Semitic
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The Daily Mail called. It wants it's Tweet back.
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Can’t stand Corbyn or anything he represents or believes; but that was funny.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 18 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 57 minutes ago
Think the only real problem is self employed not being supported atm. Most if not all non-essential shops are closed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about all the businesses like estate agents, leisure industry, independent shops, etc.
Theyve talked a good game but there's no money as yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, why is it accepted that the self employed can earn more, pay less NI and tax yet when the contract isn't there they need bailing out?
Sorry but it'd the risk vs reward job you sign up for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most self-employed people I know work very long hours for very little reward.
If you’re referring to IT contractors, well they’re one thing.
The much larger number of artists, grocers, tailors, musicians, painters and decorators, hardware store owners, journalists, carpenters, fishermen, tutors, jewellers, designers, childminders, photographers, haberdashers, hairdressers, plasterers, cafe owners, caterers, therapists of various kinds, etc. are quite another.
Many pay themselves below minimum wage, and many of them offer unique products and services that will be lost to communities as a result of this crisis.
In many cases, we’ll also be talking about losing family businesses, which will put entire families - across generations - out of work.
We’ll see the loss of traditions, of artesanal skills, of incredible experience, of craftsmanship, and of community hubs.
The world will come out the other side, as a result, a less interesting, less exciting, less diverse and more monochrome place.
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comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 18 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 57 minutes ago
Think the only real problem is self employed not being supported atm. Most if not all non-essential shops are closed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about all the businesses like estate agents, leisure industry, independent shops, etc.
Theyve talked a good game but there's no money as yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, why is it accepted that the self employed can earn more, pay less NI and tax yet when the contract isn't there they need bailing out?
Sorry but it'd the risk vs reward job you sign up for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most self-employed people I know work very long hours for very little reward.
If you’re referring to IT contractors, well they’re one thing.
The much larger number of artists, grocers, tailors, musicians, painters and decorators, hardware store owners, journalists, carpenters, fishermen, tutors, jewellers, designers, childminders, photographers, haberdashers, hairdressers, plasterers, cafe owners, caterers, therapists of various kinds, etc. are quite another.
Many pay themselves below minimum wage, and many of them offer unique products and services that will be lost to communities as a result of this crisis.
In many cases, we’ll also be talking about losing family businesses, which will put entire families - across generations - out of work.
We’ll see the loss of traditions, of artesanal skills, of incredible experience, of craftsmanship, and of community hubs.
The world will come out the other side, as a result, a less interesting, less exciting, less diverse and more monochrome place.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough.
How do you pay them though? They earn what they invoice, their tax returns are declared by themselves.
Unless you give a flat rate of say £1500 to get through the month
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 18 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 57 minutes ago
Think the only real problem is self employed not being supported atm. Most if not all non-essential shops are closed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about all the businesses like estate agents, leisure industry, independent shops, etc.
Theyve talked a good game but there's no money as yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, why is it accepted that the self employed can earn more, pay less NI and tax yet when the contract isn't there they need bailing out?
Sorry but it'd the risk vs reward job you sign up for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most self-employed people I know work very long hours for very little reward.
If you’re referring to IT contractors, well they’re one thing.
The much larger number of artists, grocers, tailors, musicians, painters and decorators, hardware store owners, journalists, carpenters, fishermen, tutors, jewellers, designers, childminders, photographers, haberdashers, hairdressers, plasterers, cafe owners, caterers, therapists of various kinds, etc. are quite another.
Many pay themselves below minimum wage, and many of them offer unique products and services that will be lost to communities as a result of this crisis.
In many cases, we’ll also be talking about losing family businesses, which will put entire families - across generations - out of work.
We’ll see the loss of traditions, of artesanal skills, of incredible experience, of craftsmanship, and of community hubs.
The world will come out the other side, as a result, a less interesting, less exciting, less diverse and more monochrome place.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough.
How do you pay them though? They earn what they invoice, their tax returns are declared by themselves.
Unless you give a flat rate of say £1500 to get through the month
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Two choices:
- Flat amount based on number of dependents
- Look at last three tax returns, do a bit of simple maths based on that, and pay a %age with a cap.
People need help though, desperately.
“Just apply for Universal Credit” won’t cut it, and will result in families on the streets (without legislation preventing evictions, which we won’t see).
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 0 seconds ago
I spent many years being self employed. No holiday pay, no sick pay and you have to private your own private pension, if you can afford it. I had very few holidays and went to work when I was feeling terrible a lot of times as you have to pay your bills.
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Many people don’t have a choice. Unfortunately there are many trades where employers aren’t interested in keeping large numbers on the books and are happy to pay supply/demand variances.
The construction industry is full of them and many companies wouldn’t be able to survive were it not that way. It’s no brain frazzler to work out that external construction is at its highest in summer months than winter so companies won’t be able to afford to sustain those additional costs all year round.
It’s the main reason we’re seeing what we’re seeing in construction right now. It’s not about clarity at all. Everyone is very clear as to what they need to do to keep a site open. It couldn’t be clearer.
However too many large main contractors don’t give a fwck about “subbies” and a right sheitestorm is brewing because I know many who have no intention of paying suppliers or sub contractors come the end of this month. They believe they have to preserve cash.
And they will cheerily let those same suppliers and sub contractors go bust in the knowledge that they won’t have to pay as the argument and the ‘reasons” given to the liquidator will be 2 years down the line and fudged to show a lack of compliance or contract break or whatever.
And there’ll always be some mugs all too desperate to run back in and pick up the scraps.
Been that way for the last 20 odd years and it certainly won’t change now.
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posted on 24/3/20
he drank his own fish cleaner
posted on 24/3/20
I guess Gove was trying to field the 3000 exceptions to the rule that people think they come under...
I want to know who these key/essential people are crammed on public transport in london....
posted on 24/3/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 36 minutes ago
A guy in Arizona has just died by self medicating on the Anti Malaria drug because he listened to the orange buffoon saying it would treat the virus.
This idiot didn’t even have the virus.
This is a major issue with Trump. His supporters believe everything that comes out of his mouth. Loads of Americans will die or even worse spread the virus killing someone else because they can not distinguish fact from fiction.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
actually scientists have said its shown promising results in treating patients, comparing that to a guy who drank his own fish tank cleaner doesn't make sense
posted on 24/3/20
comment by Greenwood FC (U11781)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 10 minutes ago
The Government are doing a brilliant job in the most unprecedented times in living history
I’m just grateful we got people who can make such tough decisions at the right time
Just imagine if we’d Corbyn and his cronies in Government....they’d be wanting offer the virus a 2nd vote before just to make sure it was authentic
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Shutup you nonce
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There you go again, this freak as kids on the mind.
posted on 24/3/20
has*
posted on 24/3/20
These 'people of our country' are (on the whole) the very people who voted for this government in at the last election due to misinformation and lies. They have little collective common sense had have been conditioned over the past 3 years to reject any advice and guidance from 'experts and professionals' relating to Economics Finance and Banking, of which Boris has actively encouraged.
Londoners voted to remain and now they're piling into trains in the middle of a pandemic, clever fookers them remainers.
posted on 24/3/20
actually scientists have said its shown promising results in treating patients,
......
They have said this about a few things but nothing definitive.
That doesn’t give the US President the go ahead to spread misinformation which we now know has led to at least one death by stupidity.
posted on 24/3/20
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 57 minutes ago
Think the only real problem is self employed not being supported atm. Most if not all non-essential shops are closed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about all the businesses like estate agents, leisure industry, independent shops, etc.
Theyve talked a good game but there's no money as yet.
posted on 24/3/20
comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
The Government are doing a brilliant job in the most unprecedented times in living history
I’m just grateful we got people who can make such tough decisions at the right time
Just imagine if we’d Corbyn and his cronies in Government....they’d be wanting offer the virus a 2nd vote before just to make sure it was authentic
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is this even a thing, blame corbyn for Boris and the tory slow response, madness this
posted on 24/3/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe (U22182)
posted 4 hours, 41 minutes ago
The Government are doing a brilliant job in the most unprecedented times in living history
I’m just grateful we got people who can make such tough decisions at the right time
Just imagine if we’d Corbyn and his cronies in Government....they’d be wanting offer the virus a 2nd vote before just to make sure it was authentic
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How is this even a thing, blame corbyn for Boris and the tory slow response, madness this
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I just thought as this thread was just about slating politicians, I’d have a go and say Corbyn is nothing more than a terrorist supporting anti-Semitic unt
posted on 24/3/20
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posted on 24/3/20
Corbyn is nothing more than a terrorist supporting anti-Semitic
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The Daily Mail called. It wants it's Tweet back.
posted on 24/3/20
Donald Trump is doubling down on previous comments that the US should immediately reopen the economy, bucking advice of health experts. “You can destroy a country this way by shutting it down,” he said on Tuesday.
“You’re going to lose more people by putting the country in a massive recession” or depression. “I would love to have the country opened up and just rearing to go by Easter.”
Jesus, he's gonna kill millions, isn't he? Hope all our American posters manage to say safe from this helmet's refusal to take this seriously.
posted on 25/3/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 18 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 57 minutes ago
Think the only real problem is self employed not being supported atm. Most if not all non-essential shops are closed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about all the businesses like estate agents, leisure industry, independent shops, etc.
Theyve talked a good game but there's no money as yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, why is it accepted that the self employed can earn more, pay less NI and tax yet when the contract isn't there they need bailing out?
Sorry but it'd the risk vs reward job you sign up for.
posted on 25/3/20
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posted on 25/3/20
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 11 seconds ago
Being self employed may have it's rewards but it has it's down sides to. But we should encourage people to go into business as it can create jobs other than their own.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree, I've contracted myself in the past. Now I have a mortgage, wife and kids i decided the risk was not worth the rewards.
People know the consequences when they are self employed.
posted on 25/3/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 25/3/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I... (U6374)
posted 15 hours, 40 minutes ago
Corbyn is nothing more than a terrorist supporting anti-Semitic
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The Daily Mail called. It wants it's Tweet back.
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Can’t stand Corbyn or anything he represents or believes; but that was funny.
posted on 25/3/20
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 18 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 57 minutes ago
Think the only real problem is self employed not being supported atm. Most if not all non-essential shops are closed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about all the businesses like estate agents, leisure industry, independent shops, etc.
Theyve talked a good game but there's no money as yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, why is it accepted that the self employed can earn more, pay less NI and tax yet when the contract isn't there they need bailing out?
Sorry but it'd the risk vs reward job you sign up for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most self-employed people I know work very long hours for very little reward.
If you’re referring to IT contractors, well they’re one thing.
The much larger number of artists, grocers, tailors, musicians, painters and decorators, hardware store owners, journalists, carpenters, fishermen, tutors, jewellers, designers, childminders, photographers, haberdashers, hairdressers, plasterers, cafe owners, caterers, therapists of various kinds, etc. are quite another.
Many pay themselves below minimum wage, and many of them offer unique products and services that will be lost to communities as a result of this crisis.
In many cases, we’ll also be talking about losing family businesses, which will put entire families - across generations - out of work.
We’ll see the loss of traditions, of artesanal skills, of incredible experience, of craftsmanship, and of community hubs.
The world will come out the other side, as a result, a less interesting, less exciting, less diverse and more monochrome place.
posted on 25/3/20
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posted on 25/3/20
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 18 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 57 minutes ago
Think the only real problem is self employed not being supported atm. Most if not all non-essential shops are closed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about all the businesses like estate agents, leisure industry, independent shops, etc.
Theyve talked a good game but there's no money as yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, why is it accepted that the self employed can earn more, pay less NI and tax yet when the contract isn't there they need bailing out?
Sorry but it'd the risk vs reward job you sign up for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most self-employed people I know work very long hours for very little reward.
If you’re referring to IT contractors, well they’re one thing.
The much larger number of artists, grocers, tailors, musicians, painters and decorators, hardware store owners, journalists, carpenters, fishermen, tutors, jewellers, designers, childminders, photographers, haberdashers, hairdressers, plasterers, cafe owners, caterers, therapists of various kinds, etc. are quite another.
Many pay themselves below minimum wage, and many of them offer unique products and services that will be lost to communities as a result of this crisis.
In many cases, we’ll also be talking about losing family businesses, which will put entire families - across generations - out of work.
We’ll see the loss of traditions, of artesanal skills, of incredible experience, of craftsmanship, and of community hubs.
The world will come out the other side, as a result, a less interesting, less exciting, less diverse and more monochrome place.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough.
How do you pay them though? They earn what they invoice, their tax returns are declared by themselves.
Unless you give a flat rate of say £1500 to get through the month
posted on 25/3/20
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by rosso is done with this (U17054)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 18 hours, 13 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 57 minutes ago
Think the only real problem is self employed not being supported atm. Most if not all non-essential shops are closed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What about all the businesses like estate agents, leisure industry, independent shops, etc.
Theyve talked a good game but there's no money as yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Also, why is it accepted that the self employed can earn more, pay less NI and tax yet when the contract isn't there they need bailing out?
Sorry but it'd the risk vs reward job you sign up for.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Most self-employed people I know work very long hours for very little reward.
If you’re referring to IT contractors, well they’re one thing.
The much larger number of artists, grocers, tailors, musicians, painters and decorators, hardware store owners, journalists, carpenters, fishermen, tutors, jewellers, designers, childminders, photographers, haberdashers, hairdressers, plasterers, cafe owners, caterers, therapists of various kinds, etc. are quite another.
Many pay themselves below minimum wage, and many of them offer unique products and services that will be lost to communities as a result of this crisis.
In many cases, we’ll also be talking about losing family businesses, which will put entire families - across generations - out of work.
We’ll see the loss of traditions, of artesanal skills, of incredible experience, of craftsmanship, and of community hubs.
The world will come out the other side, as a result, a less interesting, less exciting, less diverse and more monochrome place.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Fair enough.
How do you pay them though? They earn what they invoice, their tax returns are declared by themselves.
Unless you give a flat rate of say £1500 to get through the month
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Two choices:
- Flat amount based on number of dependents
- Look at last three tax returns, do a bit of simple maths based on that, and pay a %age with a cap.
People need help though, desperately.
“Just apply for Universal Credit” won’t cut it, and will result in families on the streets (without legislation preventing evictions, which we won’t see).
posted on 25/3/20
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 0 seconds ago
I spent many years being self employed. No holiday pay, no sick pay and you have to private your own private pension, if you can afford it. I had very few holidays and went to work when I was feeling terrible a lot of times as you have to pay your bills.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Many people don’t have a choice. Unfortunately there are many trades where employers aren’t interested in keeping large numbers on the books and are happy to pay supply/demand variances.
The construction industry is full of them and many companies wouldn’t be able to survive were it not that way. It’s no brain frazzler to work out that external construction is at its highest in summer months than winter so companies won’t be able to afford to sustain those additional costs all year round.
It’s the main reason we’re seeing what we’re seeing in construction right now. It’s not about clarity at all. Everyone is very clear as to what they need to do to keep a site open. It couldn’t be clearer.
However too many large main contractors don’t give a fwck about “subbies” and a right sheitestorm is brewing because I know many who have no intention of paying suppliers or sub contractors come the end of this month. They believe they have to preserve cash.
And they will cheerily let those same suppliers and sub contractors go bust in the knowledge that they won’t have to pay as the argument and the ‘reasons” given to the liquidator will be 2 years down the line and fudged to show a lack of compliance or contract break or whatever.
And there’ll always be some mugs all too desperate to run back in and pick up the scraps.
Been that way for the last 20 odd years and it certainly won’t change now.
posted on 25/3/20
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