It's worth pointing out that in the late noughties, Arsenal consistently had several of: Rosicky, Van Persie, Fabregas, Diaby, Eduardo, Ramsey out injured. Imagine how we'd struggle now if we had players of the calibre of Fabregas, RVP, Rosicky, Diaby and Ramsey all out at once.

There was that period when we were forced to play Arshavin as a lone striker, too.

Arshavin was always a player who really should have done better, he was superbly talented, that gane vs Liverpool for example. Was too at zenit too, seemed to lose interest, as he was better than nearly everyone in the arsenal team talent wise at that point..

comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 8 hours, 2 minutes ago
They should have won it in 2009, but drew too many games following SAF ruffling Rafa's feathers.

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We had a higher points per game average after that game than we had before it.
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I didn't know that, fair enough.

However, you only lost 2 games that entire season and you beat United home and away, so I still maintain it was unfortunate that you didn't win the league in 08/09.

That being said, I've just had a look at your results that year and you drew far too many games (especially at home) against mediocre opposition.

comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Arshavin was always a player who really should have done better, he was superbly talented, that gane vs Liverpool for example. Was too at zenit too, seemed to lose interest, as he was better than nearly everyone in the arsenal team talent wise at that point..
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In Arshavin's time we had Fabregas, Rosicky, Nasri, Van Persie, Ramsey and Diaby. He was on the level, but nowhere near our best talent.

HTF did you get Spurs or Liverpool? Neither could be called unlucky and I would say you have to describe them as lucky. By luck I mean they get a lot of refs decisions going their way.

Ithought this was going to be a post about Arsenal. If you look at some of the things that have gone against us. When Leicester won the league it was all over the media we should have won it and the only reason we didnt was because of refs mistakes giving them a massive swing in points. In fact it was so bad the PL made the media stop reporting on how mistakes affect the table. Then if you add other things like like cups where we have gone out due to refs "mistakes" and we clearly top the list.

comment by Samir (U2630)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 8 hours, 2 minutes ago
They should have won it in 2009, but drew too many games following SAF ruffling Rafa's feathers.

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We had a higher points per game average after that game than we had before it.
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I didn't know that, fair enough.

However, you only lost 2 games that entire season and you beat United home and away, so I still maintain it was unfortunate that you didn't win the league in 08/09.

That being said, I've just had a look at your results that year and you drew far too many games (especially at home) against mediocre opposition.
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I might be wrong but I seem to remember us drawing games before/after European games when we rested players. We just didn't have the squad, especially upfront, with N'Gog being our main striker for much of the season.

comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Arshavin was always a player who really should have done better, he was superbly talented, that gane vs Liverpool for example. Was too at zenit too, seemed to lose interest, as he was better than nearly everyone in the arsenal team talent wise at that point..
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In Arshavin's time we had Fabregas, Rosicky, Nasri, Van Persie, Ramsey and Diaby. He was on the level, but nowhere near our best talent.
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Dunno, I’d say he was atleast as good talent wise as fab, rosicky (great player, really liked him) and better than the other two. Just never really did it for you except in flashes, he was a really good player though, unrealised in my book. But like Pogba for us will end up, massively talented, but never really realised.

comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ole-Dirty-Baztard (U19119)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
Arshavin was always a player who really should have done better, he was superbly talented, that gane vs Liverpool for example. Was too at zenit too, seemed to lose interest, as he was better than nearly everyone in the arsenal team talent wise at that point..
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In Arshavin's time we had Fabregas, Rosicky, Nasri, Van Persie, Ramsey and Diaby. He was on the level, but nowhere near our best talent.
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Dunno, I’d say he was atleast as good talent wise as fab, rosicky (great player, really liked him) and better than the other two. Just never really did it for you except in flashes, he was a really good player though, unrealised in my book. But like Pogba for us will end up, massively talented, but never really realised.
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I actually reckon his trajectory made sense. He wasn't young anymore by the time he joined us, and small, technical attacking midfielders often peak relatively young. He did have a lot of issues with being played out of position, and he did go into a depression when his wife cheated on him, but I reckon he didn't have that much left in him, anyway. Possibly a year or two more of maintaining his level, but he wasn't the wasted talent people like to believe.

It's easy to forget Ramsey's potential pre-Shawcross. His career, good as it is, is a shadow of what it could have been. Robin Van Persie, who I have absolutely no time for whatsoever, was extremely talented. He spent his entire career dealing with injuries getting in the way of his development and he still spent two years as the best striker in the world.

RVP has NEVER been "The best striker in the world." Get a grip man. A superb striker, yes. ONE of the world's best, yes. But never the very best so please don't do that American thing and talk as though the PL is the entire world.

comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 5 hours, 13 minutes ago
RVP has NEVER been "The best striker in the world." Get a grip man. A superb striker, yes. ONE of the world's best, yes. But never the very best so please don't do that American thing and talk as though the PL is the entire world.
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Yes he was. This was the period when Ronaldo was a winger and Messi, as a false 9, could not really be described as a striker. His competition was basically Falcao, Ibrahimovic and Suarez before he really hit his stride.

We are current European and World champions.

That's something clubs like Spurs and Arsenal have never experienced in over 100 years of trying.

Arsenal last significant triumph was nearly 20 years ago. Liverpool have Wob the Champions league twice in that time while Arsenal haven't won a single one in a century or so.

I'd say Liverpool FC are much luckier than clubs like Arsenal and Spurs.

I've just looked into it. Rafa rant was 9th January 2009. Liverpool drew there next 3 league games!

Liverpool were better after the rant than before. It was the officiating that made the difference in the end.

comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 43 minutes ago
Liverpool were better after the rant than before. It was the officiating that made the difference in the end.
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No they weren't, before the Rafa rant you were top of the league, by March before your visit to Old Trafford you were 7 points behind Man United and they had a game in hand, you beat them 4-1 and they lost to Fulham a week later so the deficit was 1 point, it pretty much remained around that figure for the next month or so but they eventually won the league by 4 points. Those 3 consecutive draws in January ended up costing you very dearly.

We collected more points after the rant.

Liverpool won 10 of 11 remaining games from March 2009 till the end of the season but as I said you were 7 points off the top by that time so your good form came too late, your good form came 7-8 weeks after the rant but certainly the first 6 weeks of the rant you dropped a lot of points, if you didn't draw those 3 games in January a few days after the rant you more than likely would have won the league! not sure what's not difficult to understand.

Its funny you think it works like that.

Actually, I'm pretty sure you know that's not how it works but you'll stick to it because it fits your agenda.

It's funny that you're actually denying it. I'm sure plenty of other football fans that are not Liverpool fans would agree with my logic. It's not even rocket science!

Other people don't necessarily mean you are right. The leap of faith is how much comments in an interview will affect how the team plays. We drew too many overall and that's why we didn't win.

Simple logic instead of your theories coming straight out of a low budget sci-fi flick.

I know I am right though

No, its me that's right and you know it.

Nope you're delusional

Keep dreaming. I'll wake you up before you go-go.

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