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Heard interview and I agree and understand with his every decision. Still can't believe Arsene and the board didn't bring him back, he was 28 years old at the time, still in his prime.
5-2 that one must hurt for you guys because he was so good for chelsea. Still odd thinking of him as a chelsea player and is one i constantly forget, but when i hear of him he really was fantastic for us.
I also lauged too hard at some 'funny' bits:
-Him saying that he was feeling they were 1-2 signings away from a title winning team and being furious when that didn't happen while knowing who was available on the market and were in talks with the club (but deal falling through). Isn't that how we all felt back then minus the inside info?
-Cesc was talking about RVP helping him on the field but most of the seasons couldn't because of his many injuries. Then his reaction 1 year after he left and RVP had his injury free, he-scores-when-he-wants onfire run: "Are you serious mate?"
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 24 minutes ago
Heard interview and I agree and understand with his every decision. Still can't believe Arsene and the board didn't bring him back, he was 28 years old at the time, still in his prime.
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He was basically begging Arsenal to pick him up (and leaking to the press he could be had for peanuts for a player of his class). Maybe Arsene held a grudge, but for me that was the point where the transfers started to get worse and worse (not top 4 worthy, let alone title contenders).
Some fans dont agree but always felt he was a legend, way more than RVP if you can even consider him one.
Not sure if I'd put him down as a legend but I look back fondly at his time with us, not the same bitterness I do with RVP.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
5-2 that one must hurt for you guys because he was so good for chelsea. Still odd thinking of him as a chelsea player and is one i constantly forget, but when i hear of him he really was fantastic for us.
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He was good for the first few months but Barca broke Cesc as a player. He said himself that he gave his best years to Arsenal
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
5-2 that one must hurt for you guys because he was so good for chelsea. Still odd thinking of him as a chelsea player and is one i constantly forget, but when i hear of him he really was fantastic for us.
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He was good for the first few months but Barca broke Cesc as a player. He said himself that he gave his best years to Arsenal
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Yeah but he also said that he is player made for Arsenal, I think if he came back to Arsenal that he would be same player he was before he left us.
but got broken and literally gave up once he heard some of his teammates laughing and discussing where to go out later that night
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Doesn’t paint him in a very good light
If getting Fabregas in meant getting rid of ozil sometime later I'd have been all for it.
Cesc has that fighters edge to his game that ozil completely lacks. I'm sure he'd have kept that fire up for arsenal under Wenger.
Arsene and his scouting staff only picked players on technical qualities and forget to have a core of players to instill the right mentality.
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Thats because character issues were non football matters handled by David Dein. We bought so many players who did not have the character to cut it in England. Be it Arshavin, Ozil, Xhaka, etc. Wenger relied heavily on statistics and technical ability. This is why he was never able to build a title winning squad without Dein.
Quite frankly, so much of my love for Arsenal died when Fabregas left. In his era, it felt like supporting Arsenal had a point, that it was all for something. It felt like proving that money did not own football, and nor did the orcs from Stoke. Like we wanted to prove that believing in those kids, and sticking with them, was the right way to run a football club.
I never gave a monkeys about Nasri, he was a poor man's Rosicky, but I divide my support of this club into before and after he left.
It might sound daft to a lot of you, mind.
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 19 minutes ago
Quite frankly, so much of my love for Arsenal died when Fabregas left. In his era, it felt like supporting Arsenal had a point, that it was all for something. It felt like proving that money did not own football, and nor did the orcs from Stoke. Like we wanted to prove that believing in those kids, and sticking with them, was the right way to run a football club.
I never gave a monkeys about Nasri, he was a poor man's Rosicky, but I divide my support of this club into before and after he left.
It might sound daft to a lot of you, mind.
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I agree with a lot of this. I think Fabregas is becoming a forgotten man from Arsenal perspective due to lack of trophies won. However for a lot of kids back then, growing up he was the player you loved to watch. After Henry leaving, he became the fan favourite. Not even RvP could replace him in that category at the time.
The guy simply had the best final pass I’d ever seen, except for Messi who’s the only one who can match him in that as well as vision to see that pass no one can.
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 19 minutes ago
Quite frankly, so much of my love for Arsenal died when Fabregas left. In his era, it felt like supporting Arsenal had a point, that it was all for something. It felt like proving that money did not own football, and nor did the orcs from Stoke. Like we wanted to prove that believing in those kids, and sticking with them, was the right way to run a football club.
I never gave a monkeys about Nasri, he was a poor man's Rosicky, but I divide my support of this club into before and after he left.
It might sound daft to a lot of you, mind.
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I agree with a lot of this. I think Fabregas is becoming a forgotten man from Arsenal perspective due to lack of trophies won. However for a lot of kids back then, growing up he was the player you loved to watch. After Henry leaving, he became the fan favourite. Not even RvP could replace him in that category at the time.
The guy simply had the best final pass I’d ever seen, except for Messi who’s the only one who can match him in that as well as vision to see that pass no one can.
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He's the best player I've ever seen at the Emirates. He was a much better player than Lampard and Gerrard at the age of 21.
And we shouldn't forget his father/son relationship with Arsene. How often did he run to Wenger instead of his teammates?
That kind of connection can't be bought.
Always had time for Fabregas.
He had that desire to win and that passion for the club that he carried on from an earlier era.
I understand why he left, clearly we were going nowhere and if I was playing with some of his teammates he ended up playing with i'd go insane.
comment by The~Gent (U4080)
posted 13 minutes ago
Always had time for Fabregas.
He had that desire to win and that passion for the club that he carried on from an earlier era.
I understand why he left, clearly we were going nowhere and if I was playing with some of his teammates he ended up playing with i'd go insane.
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I think the difference between him and Nasri (apart from talent, looks, character, likeability, career, not being a druggie) was that Cesc earnt the right to leave. He gave everything.
We always knew Barca was the only club he would leave us for and he did just that but when he became available and for that price we should have got him. I dont care if we had Ozil, Cesc is and always will be twice the player.
To allow him then to go to Chelsea was criminal.
Fabregas is no longer relevant. Cesc, go in peace!
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
We always knew Barca was the only club he would leave us for and he did just that but when he became available and for that price we should have got him. I dont care if we had Ozil, Cesc is and always will be twice the player.
To allow him then to go to Chelsea was criminal.
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Not what most fans were saying at the time though was it. Was all Ozil, Ozil, Ozil and Cesc was a traitor, feck him we don't want him back. Yet another case of Gooners and pot, kettle, black, when talking about Wenger and HIS bad decision making.
Not what most fans were saying at the time though was it. Was all Ozil, Ozil, Ozil and Cesc was a traitor, feck him we don't want him back. Yet another case of Gooners and pot, kettle, black, when talking about Wenger and HIS bad decision making.
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I think a lot of people wanted to see them together, but at the time Ozil was tearing it up and there were some not too bothered.
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 22 minutes ago
Not what most fans were saying at the time though was it. Was all Ozil, Ozil, Ozil and Cesc was a traitor, feck him we don't want him back. Yet another case of Gooners and pot, kettle, black, when talking about Wenger and HIS bad decision making.
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I think a lot of people wanted to see them together, but at the time Ozil was tearing it up and there were some not too bothered.
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Wenger has made more than £100m in his career at Arsenal. Just take that in. The stadium cost c£600m as a contrast.
The man was paid to make the decisions at Arsenal. His only successful period in terms of major trophies was actually when David Dein was holding his hand. Blaming the fans for that?
Wenger bought Ozil. Not the fans. Wenger rejected Cesc buyback even after spending £8m+ on putting in a clause to allow him to buy him back and then wasting it! Not the fans. All Wenger!
I'm not blaming the fans, just stating how I remember the feeling being around the time. I'm not some sort of moron who correlates the fans feeling something as how decisions are actually made at the club. What a strange rant to go off on.
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm not blaming the fans, just stating how I remember the feeling being around the time. I'm not some sort of moron who correlates the fans feeling something as how decisions are actually made at the club. What a strange rant to go off on.
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It was aimed at WB2 and I wanted him to read it as he has filtered me. Sorry it was not aimed at you.
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posted on 25/3/20
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posted on 25/3/20
Heard interview and I agree and understand with his every decision. Still can't believe Arsene and the board didn't bring him back, he was 28 years old at the time, still in his prime.
posted on 25/3/20
5-2 that one must hurt for you guys because he was so good for chelsea. Still odd thinking of him as a chelsea player and is one i constantly forget, but when i hear of him he really was fantastic for us.
posted on 25/3/20
I also lauged too hard at some 'funny' bits:
-Him saying that he was feeling they were 1-2 signings away from a title winning team and being furious when that didn't happen while knowing who was available on the market and were in talks with the club (but deal falling through). Isn't that how we all felt back then minus the inside info?
-Cesc was talking about RVP helping him on the field but most of the seasons couldn't because of his many injuries. Then his reaction 1 year after he left and RVP had his injury free, he-scores-when-he-wants onfire run: "Are you serious mate?"
posted on 25/3/20
comment by 5-2 (U10698)
posted 24 minutes ago
Heard interview and I agree and understand with his every decision. Still can't believe Arsene and the board didn't bring him back, he was 28 years old at the time, still in his prime.
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He was basically begging Arsenal to pick him up (and leaking to the press he could be had for peanuts for a player of his class). Maybe Arsene held a grudge, but for me that was the point where the transfers started to get worse and worse (not top 4 worthy, let alone title contenders).
posted on 25/3/20
Some fans dont agree but always felt he was a legend, way more than RVP if you can even consider him one.
posted on 25/3/20
Not sure if I'd put him down as a legend but I look back fondly at his time with us, not the same bitterness I do with RVP.
posted on 25/3/20
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
5-2 that one must hurt for you guys because he was so good for chelsea. Still odd thinking of him as a chelsea player and is one i constantly forget, but when i hear of him he really was fantastic for us.
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He was good for the first few months but Barca broke Cesc as a player. He said himself that he gave his best years to Arsenal
posted on 25/3/20
comment by Joe Goldberg (U18355)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 44 minutes ago
5-2 that one must hurt for you guys because he was so good for chelsea. Still odd thinking of him as a chelsea player and is one i constantly forget, but when i hear of him he really was fantastic for us.
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He was good for the first few months but Barca broke Cesc as a player. He said himself that he gave his best years to Arsenal
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Yeah but he also said that he is player made for Arsenal, I think if he came back to Arsenal that he would be same player he was before he left us.
posted on 25/3/20
but got broken and literally gave up once he heard some of his teammates laughing and discussing where to go out later that night
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Doesn’t paint him in a very good light
posted on 25/3/20
If getting Fabregas in meant getting rid of ozil sometime later I'd have been all for it.
Cesc has that fighters edge to his game that ozil completely lacks. I'm sure he'd have kept that fire up for arsenal under Wenger.
posted on 25/3/20
Arsene and his scouting staff only picked players on technical qualities and forget to have a core of players to instill the right mentality.
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Thats because character issues were non football matters handled by David Dein. We bought so many players who did not have the character to cut it in England. Be it Arshavin, Ozil, Xhaka, etc. Wenger relied heavily on statistics and technical ability. This is why he was never able to build a title winning squad without Dein.
posted on 25/3/20
Quite frankly, so much of my love for Arsenal died when Fabregas left. In his era, it felt like supporting Arsenal had a point, that it was all for something. It felt like proving that money did not own football, and nor did the orcs from Stoke. Like we wanted to prove that believing in those kids, and sticking with them, was the right way to run a football club.
I never gave a monkeys about Nasri, he was a poor man's Rosicky, but I divide my support of this club into before and after he left.
It might sound daft to a lot of you, mind.
posted on 25/3/20
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 19 minutes ago
Quite frankly, so much of my love for Arsenal died when Fabregas left. In his era, it felt like supporting Arsenal had a point, that it was all for something. It felt like proving that money did not own football, and nor did the orcs from Stoke. Like we wanted to prove that believing in those kids, and sticking with them, was the right way to run a football club.
I never gave a monkeys about Nasri, he was a poor man's Rosicky, but I divide my support of this club into before and after he left.
It might sound daft to a lot of you, mind.
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I agree with a lot of this. I think Fabregas is becoming a forgotten man from Arsenal perspective due to lack of trophies won. However for a lot of kids back then, growing up he was the player you loved to watch. After Henry leaving, he became the fan favourite. Not even RvP could replace him in that category at the time.
The guy simply had the best final pass I’d ever seen, except for Messi who’s the only one who can match him in that as well as vision to see that pass no one can.
posted on 25/3/20
Fabregas
posted on 25/3/20
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 19 minutes ago
Quite frankly, so much of my love for Arsenal died when Fabregas left. In his era, it felt like supporting Arsenal had a point, that it was all for something. It felt like proving that money did not own football, and nor did the orcs from Stoke. Like we wanted to prove that believing in those kids, and sticking with them, was the right way to run a football club.
I never gave a monkeys about Nasri, he was a poor man's Rosicky, but I divide my support of this club into before and after he left.
It might sound daft to a lot of you, mind.
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I agree with a lot of this. I think Fabregas is becoming a forgotten man from Arsenal perspective due to lack of trophies won. However for a lot of kids back then, growing up he was the player you loved to watch. After Henry leaving, he became the fan favourite. Not even RvP could replace him in that category at the time.
The guy simply had the best final pass I’d ever seen, except for Messi who’s the only one who can match him in that as well as vision to see that pass no one can.
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He's the best player I've ever seen at the Emirates. He was a much better player than Lampard and Gerrard at the age of 21.
And we shouldn't forget his father/son relationship with Arsene. How often did he run to Wenger instead of his teammates?
That kind of connection can't be bought.
posted on 25/3/20
Always had time for Fabregas.
He had that desire to win and that passion for the club that he carried on from an earlier era.
I understand why he left, clearly we were going nowhere and if I was playing with some of his teammates he ended up playing with i'd go insane.
posted on 25/3/20
comment by The~Gent (U4080)
posted 13 minutes ago
Always had time for Fabregas.
He had that desire to win and that passion for the club that he carried on from an earlier era.
I understand why he left, clearly we were going nowhere and if I was playing with some of his teammates he ended up playing with i'd go insane.
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I think the difference between him and Nasri (apart from talent, looks, character, likeability, career, not being a druggie) was that Cesc earnt the right to leave. He gave everything.
posted on 25/3/20
We always knew Barca was the only club he would leave us for and he did just that but when he became available and for that price we should have got him. I dont care if we had Ozil, Cesc is and always will be twice the player.
To allow him then to go to Chelsea was criminal.
posted on 27/3/20
Fabregas is no longer relevant. Cesc, go in peace!
posted on 27/3/20
comment by BO$$™ (U6401)
posted 1 day, 17 hours ago
We always knew Barca was the only club he would leave us for and he did just that but when he became available and for that price we should have got him. I dont care if we had Ozil, Cesc is and always will be twice the player.
To allow him then to go to Chelsea was criminal.
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Not what most fans were saying at the time though was it. Was all Ozil, Ozil, Ozil and Cesc was a traitor, feck him we don't want him back. Yet another case of Gooners and pot, kettle, black, when talking about Wenger and HIS bad decision making.
posted on 27/3/20
Not what most fans were saying at the time though was it. Was all Ozil, Ozil, Ozil and Cesc was a traitor, feck him we don't want him back. Yet another case of Gooners and pot, kettle, black, when talking about Wenger and HIS bad decision making.
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I think a lot of people wanted to see them together, but at the time Ozil was tearing it up and there were some not too bothered.
posted on 27/3/20
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 22 minutes ago
Not what most fans were saying at the time though was it. Was all Ozil, Ozil, Ozil and Cesc was a traitor, feck him we don't want him back. Yet another case of Gooners and pot, kettle, black, when talking about Wenger and HIS bad decision making.
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I think a lot of people wanted to see them together, but at the time Ozil was tearing it up and there were some not too bothered.
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Wenger has made more than £100m in his career at Arsenal. Just take that in. The stadium cost c£600m as a contrast.
The man was paid to make the decisions at Arsenal. His only successful period in terms of major trophies was actually when David Dein was holding his hand. Blaming the fans for that?
Wenger bought Ozil. Not the fans. Wenger rejected Cesc buyback even after spending £8m+ on putting in a clause to allow him to buy him back and then wasting it! Not the fans. All Wenger!
posted on 27/3/20
I'm not blaming the fans, just stating how I remember the feeling being around the time. I'm not some sort of moron who correlates the fans feeling something as how decisions are actually made at the club. What a strange rant to go off on.
posted on 27/3/20
comment by TBaggerin (U11806)
posted 1 minute ago
I'm not blaming the fans, just stating how I remember the feeling being around the time. I'm not some sort of moron who correlates the fans feeling something as how decisions are actually made at the club. What a strange rant to go off on.
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It was aimed at WB2 and I wanted him to read it as he has filtered me. Sorry it was not aimed at you.
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