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posted on 28/3/20

Fair point VC but we all know the cash won’t go to those it should

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The Govt had to hold these people accountable for it. And that can easily be done.

The Dems have forced the Republican controlled Senate to do exactly that. This was a lesson learnt from the last bailouts eleven or so years ago.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 28/3/20

"How are we letting this happen? We will be the one to pay for this and the NHS will pay for this, and the nurses will pay for this and the joe blogg will pay for this...While Branson and the like will be in their private islands continuing to prosper?"

How?

BECAUSE THE COUNTRY KEEPS VOTING FOR IT.

posted on 28/3/20

That's why Corbyn never stood a chance, as he doesn't appease the rich.

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The super Rich are something around 1% of the population.

Corbyn lost by a much higher margin than that.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Fair point VC but we all know the cash won’t go to those it should

....

The Govt had to hold these people accountable for it. And that can easily be done.

The Dems have forced the Republican controlled Senate to do exactly that. This was a lesson learnt from the last bailouts eleven or so years ago.
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Exactly VC.

Money in politics is the insidious root of most of these sorts of problems (and this goes for establishment Democrats too), and PEOPLE KEEP VOTING FOR IT!

posted on 28/3/20

Will he be worth £4bn if his airline goes bankrupt?

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I have read somewhere that he has pledged half of his net worth to go to charitable causes.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Momo’s Goggles (U22339)
posted 5 minutes ago
I’m not sure how true it is but I read that Branson has a net worth of £4.1B. If he were to pay the staff he’s sent home for 8 weeks without pay £500 a week for 8 weeks he would end up with a net worth of £4.05B



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Will he be worth £4bn if his airline goes bankrupt?
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Possibly not, but as it stands he’d be giving up 1% of his wealth to keep food on the table for hundreds of families.
The publicity alone would have been worth it financially

posted on 28/3/20

The Government are looking after James Dyson even though he deserted the country after championing Brexit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/dyson-headquarters-brexit-uk-singapore-hq-move-hoover-vacuum-a8740996.html

posted on 28/3/20

Corbyn didn`t get elected because he is a clueless Buffoon who fraternizes with terrorists

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
That's why Corbyn never stood a chance, as he doesn't appease the rich.

....

The super Rich are something around 1% of the population.

Corbyn lost by a much higher margin than that.
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Aspirational voters is part of it, there's other reasons too such as Brexit in the latest UK election, but money and power have a significant part.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Momo’s Goggles (U22339)
posted 5 minutes ago
I’m not sure how true it is but I read that Branson has a net worth of £4.1B. If he were to pay the staff he’s sent home for 8 weeks without pay £500 a week for 8 weeks he would end up with a net worth of £4.05B



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Will he be worth £4bn if his airline goes bankrupt?
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Of course he will

The £4bn is his PERSONAL wealth, the only amount he'd have to pay out in the event of Virgin going under is limited to his shareholding.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 28/3/20

comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 38 seconds ago
Corbyn didn`t get elected because he is a clueless Buffoon who fraternizes with terrorists
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Idiot.

posted on 28/3/20

Branson has a net worth of 3.5 billion , fack me what's he worried about losing a few million for ? I'd be grateful if I had a networth of a few hundred thousand ,what a twaaat with a stupid beard.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 seconds ago
Will he be worth £4bn if his airline goes bankrupt?

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I have read somewhere that he has pledged half of his net worth to go to charitable causes.
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I used to be impressed with headlines like that until I discovered a lot of companies declare themselves to be charities as a tax loop hole. The private education sector is riddled with colleges known as “charities”

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Momo’s Goggles (U22339)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 seconds ago
Will he be worth £4bn if his airline goes bankrupt?

.....

I have read somewhere that he has pledged half of his net worth to go to charitable causes.
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I used to be impressed with headlines like that until I discovered a lot of companies declare themselves to be charities as a tax loop hole. The private education sector is riddled with colleges known as “charities”
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So his charity is an offshore bank in the Cayman Islands.

comment by N2 (U22280)

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
That's why Corbyn never stood a chance, as he doesn't appease the rich.

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The super Rich are something around 1% of the population.

Corbyn lost by a much higher margin than that.
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Elections are funded and propagated by the rich. All mainstream media is in their hands after all.

This was clearly seen during the last election. One party had an antisemitic problem, the other an islamophobic one. Labour's antisemitism was blown up all over the media, while the Tories Islamophobia was swept under the carpet.

A large portion of people will vote based on media influence, no matter how much they claim they don't.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
The Government are looking after James Dyson even though he deserted the country after championing Brexit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/dyson-headquarters-brexit-uk-singapore-hq-move-hoover-vacuum-a8740996.html
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Again, if people have an issue with Dyson stop buying his products. Shark make the exact same Hoover as his at a quarter of the price. And it works just as well.

posted on 28/3/20

Make the welfare system as progressive as possible. Poorest, disadvantaged should be given top priority. Corporates should not be subsidized at any cost, at most government should lent money in return for shares and ownership. This ensures tax payer return in form of dividend and increased accountability of corporates.

posted on 28/3/20

Aspirational voters is part of it, there's other reasons too such as Brexit in the latest UK election, but money and power have a significant part.

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Absolutely Dave.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 28/3/20

comment by THE WAR IS ON (U10140)
posted 12 minutes ago
Make the welfare system as progressive as possible. Poorest, disadvantaged should be given top priority. Corporates should not be subsidized at any cost, at most government should lent money in return for shares and ownership. This ensures tax payer return in form of dividend and increased accountability of corporates.
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It's corporate socialism. We've been voting for it for decades now.

People keep trying to tell us and we do not listen.

comment by Dave (U11711)

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 14 minutes ago
Aspirational voters is part of it, there's other reasons too such as Brexit in the latest UK election, but money and power have a significant part.

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Absolutely Dave.
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Oz and the UK are bad, but you've got it so much worse.

I follow US politics more closely than either of the others and it's exasperating at times. I'm not sure I could have managed to live in the US these last few years without getting arrested for an assassination attempt at the very least.

comment by sandy (U20567)

posted on 28/3/20

The one thing that is 100 per cent certain that when the Coronavirus is finished, it won't be the banks or the rich and powerful that have to pay for it. It will be the poorest, as usual. Austerity will be back, but ten times worse.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Dave (U11711)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by THE WAR IS ON (U10140)
posted 12 minutes ago
Make the welfare system as progressive as possible. Poorest, disadvantaged should be given top priority. Corporates should not be subsidized at any cost, at most government should lent money in return for shares and ownership. This ensures tax payer return in form of dividend and increased accountability of corporates.
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It's corporate socialism. We've been voting for it for decades now.

People keep trying to tell us and we do not listen.
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This.

The corporate welfare budget has been above 90bn a year since the tories took power.

People only have a problem now there's a 300bn lump sum they have already had more than double that out of the taxpayer.

And where's the rage about the rails? Told we couldn't afford to renationalise them under corbyn, told it would cost too much, even when labour said it would cost anything "LIES" they shouted.

Now boris just suspended their franchises to renationalise the losses over the next few months, in an industry where the taxman pays for all the infrastructure bar the staff salarys.

Now we are paying that too, and giving the companies money for running the service. We get a right facking up the arrrse from our beloved blue overlords.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)

posted 18 minutes ago

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
The Government are looking after James Dyson even though he deserted the country after championing Brexit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/dyson-headquarters-brexit-uk-singapore-hq-move-hoover-vacuum-a8740996.html
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Again, if people have an issue with Dyson stop buying his products. Shark make the exact same Hoover as his at a quarter of the price. And it works just as well.
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The point is that instead of working with our European neighbours, the Government handed a huge contract to build ventilators to one of it's chief backers who's now based on the other side of the planet.

posted on 28/3/20

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)

posted 18 minutes ago

comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 6 minutes ago
The Government are looking after James Dyson even though he deserted the country after championing Brexit.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/dyson-headquarters-brexit-uk-singapore-hq-move-hoover-vacuum-a8740996.html
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Again, if people have an issue with Dyson stop buying his products. Shark make the exact same Hoover as his at a quarter of the price. And it works just as well.
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The point is that instead of working with our European neighbours, the Government handed a huge contract to build ventilators to one of it's chief backers who's now based on the other side of the planet.
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* with no experience or prototype


10k units from dyson
350 units from an existing UK based supplier with proven models

posted on 28/3/20

Wetherspoons halfs year profit was announced three days before all staff were fired.

£58m

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