comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
If lockdown isn’t lifted before July I think many clubs will face far bigger issues than playing a few games against rivals who may no longer exist.
Of course the big ones will survive, but the economy will be way past fwcked and many may go to the wall along with millions of the general population unemployed who are the lifeblood of a lot of lower division clubs and I believe that will include Championship clubs.
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I think by July many countries will be on their knees and things will get nasty at some point. We cannot just let whole economies collapse because that will kill many more than this bloody virus.
There has to be a point where we have to either beat it with the isolation or just let it run its course. It scares me to be honest but what’s the alternative?
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
If lockdown isn’t lifted before July I think many clubs will face far bigger issues than playing a few games against rivals who may no longer exist.
Of course the big ones will survive, but the economy will be way past fwcked and many may go to the wall along with millions of the general population unemployed who are the lifeblood of a lot of lower division clubs and I believe that will include Championship clubs.
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In that case, what choice is there except to lift the lockdown altogether at an appropriate time in the near future?
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
If lockdown isn’t lifted before July I think many clubs will face far bigger issues than playing a few games against rivals who may no longer exist.
Of course the big ones will survive, but the economy will be way past fwcked and many may go to the wall along with millions of the general population unemployed who are the lifeblood of a lot of lower division clubs and I believe that will include Championship clubs.
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In that case, what choice is there except to lift the lockdown altogether at an appropriate time in the near future?
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It will be lifted altogether at some point in the next 3/5 months I’d guess but be phased in the next month or so.
Unless we see a significant increase in cases despite the lockdown we have in place that is. That’s not expected though.
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
If lockdown isn’t lifted before July I think many clubs will face far bigger issues than playing a few games against rivals who may no longer exist.
Of course the big ones will survive, but the economy will be way past fwcked and many may go to the wall along with millions of the general population unemployed who are the lifeblood of a lot of lower division clubs and I believe that will include Championship clubs.
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I think by July many countries will be on their knees and things will get nasty at some point. We cannot just let whole economies collapse because that will kill many more than this bloody virus.
There has to be a point where we have to either beat it with the isolation or just let it run its course. It scares me to be honest but what’s the alternative?
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Agreed about countries being in their knees.
I highlighted a few weeks ago that one of next stages was increase in crime against lockdown businesses sbd were starting to see that now.
It’s impossible for police to even stop people going out let alone stop the crimes so next steps are either stricter lockdown or give up on lockdown and hope the extra hospitals and morgues can cope.
It’s easy to see a sunny day with family and think what’s the big deal, but big businesses are closer to failing, health workers dying, 700,000+ volunteers offered to help and now nhs asking vets and nurses to help they are being overwhelmed, my local hospital just said no more people to come in period if you have accident don’t come in go somewhere else. Starting to see divide, people getting annoyed at others for driving, fights at supermarkets, how long can you keep people cooped up.
The horse has long gone - so what's the point of locking the stable door now? There is confusion over the purpose of locking down, particularly if there is no testing going on. More likely that lockdown is more political damage limitation for when the virus has run it's course. Hancock put a 15% cap on testing frontline NHS staff, ffs!
Talk about dereliction of duty - it's criminal. I can only hope good ole Boris pays dearly, along with little wormtongue Cummings. You're still following the crackpot herd immunity theory over there, can't you see that? The lockdown is just to maintain order when things turn nasty, as they surely will.
And as for the football, isn't Graham Taylor a great man? The PL players and their financial advisors need to take a good look at themselves. Makes me very proud to be Leeds - our Liam Cooper has led by example.
Don't trust the stats - there's no testing to speak of going on. The books on this are being cooked and cooked again.
There’s as much meaningful testing going on in Sweden.
Sweden is following a completely different strategy, much more like our original strategy around herd immunity and no lockdowns.
I'm not sure the new normal will be anything like the old normal - this thing can come back at any time and could be an evolved strain.
Economies and governments printing free money leads to hyperinflation and woe for everyone. Football may return to its old days - no longer people on £100,000 per week, they might be lucky to be on that a year.
If the season doesn't finish, £750m of tv money doesn't get paid or gets demanded back. And no end-of-season prize money based on position.
Like all industries, football is in a very difficult position
comment by Jaz63 (U8369)
posted 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
The horse has long gone - so what's the point of locking the stable door now? There is confusion over the purpose of locking down, particularly if there is no testing going on. More likely that lockdown is more political damage limitation for when the virus has run it's course. Hancock put a 15% cap on testing frontline NHS staff, ffs!
Talk about dereliction of duty - it's criminal. I can only hope good ole Boris pays dearly, along with little wormtongue Cummings. You're still following the crackpot herd immunity theory over there, can't you see that? The lockdown is just to maintain order when things turn nasty, as they surely will.
And as for the football, isn't Graham Taylor a great man? The PL players and their financial advisors need to take a good look at themselves. Makes me very proud to be Leeds - our Liam Cooper has led by example.
Don't trust the stats - there's no testing to speak of going on. The books on this are being cooked and cooked again.
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Blame Boris and Cummings? Oh come on Jaz.
Can you imagine Corbyn doing anything about anything? He'd still be in meetings with the Unions right now and there'd be no money left for tackling this crisis after spending countless billions on nationalising everything that moves.
Lockdown is political?
The following countries have implemented full or partial lockdowns now:
South Africa
New Zealand
Saudi Arabia
Colombia
India
The UK
Australia
China
Jordan
Argentina
Israel
Belgium
France
Spain
Italy
Kuwait
Ireland
Norway
Denmark
El Salvador
Indonesia
Germany
Portugal
Czech Republic
Slovenia
Poland
Lebanon
Russia
Greece.
That's around a third of the population of the globe in full or partial lockdown. And you think it's 'political'?
No leader in the world (perhaps with the exception of that of S.Korea who seems to have hit a home run) has managed this pandemic in a perfect manner. It's almost impossible to plan for such things -- any government that wanted to spend billions on pandemic preparations prior to Covid-19 would have been pilloried.
Then it would have been a case of "blame Boris for wasting money that could have been spent better elsewhere" from those on the far Left of the political divide.
Perhaps right now we all ought to be casting political tendencies to one side and get through this natural disaster without wasting our energies with such mud slinging.
I do echo your comments about our club's management and players taking their pay cuts to preserve the jobs of the rest of the staff. I'm immensely proud of our playing staff for taking what must have been a tough decision given that they'll all have commitments, mortgages etc.
It's as though Bielsa has bleached the stains out of our club and everyone has truly bought-in to his wonderful moral approach to everything. For me, Bielsa has become one of our club's greats even if we don't gain promotion. He's taken our broken club by the scruff of the neck and pointed it back on the right path on all fronts.
Yes, there is a lockdown in a great many countries around the world today. It's an entirely useless strategy without testing and tracking. One or two smaller countries have been locking down, testing and tracking - S Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, for example - and are managing to avoid the accelerating mortality rates we're seeing everywhere else.
Without testing and tracking, lockdown is only a means of suppressing the movement of people. When society breaks down, survival of the fittest kicks in and the state becomes powerless to maintain order. Paradoxically, a protracted lockdown generates the perfect conditions for social breakdown, particularly as the mortality rate continues to rise. This fear is confronting governments and political elites around the world as the pandemic does its worst. And yes, I did expect the UK government to have a comprehensive, professional plan for what many "experts" have regarded for a long time as an inevitable eventuality. Isn't that what government is for?
Blame Johnson and Cummings? No, of course I don't blame them for the pandemic. I blame them for their utterly hopeless and perhaps even wilful mismanagement of the pandemic; and I blame the Tory Party for the criminal neglect of our fantastic NHS over the past ten years. Don't forget how they cheered when voting down a ONE percent pay rise for nurses! The UK is perhaps the only country in the world which has seen the chief executive, the chief executive's top advisor, the chief medical officer and the minister for health are all infected at the same time - and let's not forget the pregnant partner of the chief executive, either.
You parrot the Daily Mail on Corbyn, and yet you're presumably pleased that wonderkid Sunak has not only implemented his agenda but expanded it. He needed to, and not because of the pandemic. That's just the straw that broke the camel's back. The UK is the fifth or sixth wealthiest nation on the planet, and yet 25% of its people live on or below the poverty line. How much longer will you lot carry on tugging your forelocks?
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As this is a footy forum, I'll not continue Jaz. Suffice to say that I was very tempted to point out all the flaws in some of your post.
Two things I feel obliged to correct though:
- Sunak's measures are temporary. Corbyn's would have been permanent, ongoing, forever.
- I think the Daily Mail is a rag full of extreme nonsense (Much like the Mirror). I read the Telegraph which is more measured, fact-based and includes views from both sides of the arguments (though undoubtedly mostly has a right-wing bias). They ran a great article on the 20th anniversary of Istanbul today.
Leeds fan for 45 years: how do you see the PL's actions - 125 million for the lower leagues, 20 million for the NHS and a 30% wage deferral for the players at PL clubs? And what do you think of those PL clubs that are demanding the government support their non-playing staff?
Again, I am so proud that LUFC are showing the way forward on this. Full credit to Bielsa and Liam Cooper and indeed the Board. That is solidarity!
comment by Jaz63 (U8369)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
The horse has long gone - so what's the point of locking the stable door now? There is confusion over the purpose of locking down, particularly if there is no testing going on. More likely that lockdown is more political damage limitation for when the virus has run it's course. Hancock put a 15% cap on testing frontline NHS staff, ffs!
Talk about dereliction of duty - it's criminal. I can only hope good ole Boris pays dearly, along with little wormtongue Cummings. You're still following the crackpot herd immunity theory over there, can't you see that? The lockdown is just to maintain order when things turn nasty, as they surely will.
And as for the football, isn't Graham Taylor a great man? The PL players and their financial advisors need to take a good look at themselves. Makes me very proud to be Leeds - our Liam Cooper has led by example.
Don't trust the stats - there's no testing to speak of going on. The books on this are being cooked and cooked again.
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The whole point of the lockdown is to stop people catching the virus at the very time when the NHS are at their busiest. If you want to risk catching it and getting an ICU bed then feel free to try.
We will, assuming most are locking down and social distancing, see both a drop in numbers catching it and therefore dying from it.
The balance was the difficult part. You can already see that some are getting restless and wilfully going against advice. Now imagine if we’d locked down two or three weeks earlier. We are not a dictatorship or a communist state. People just wouldn’t accept a long term lockdown - they can’t even accept a short one in many cases.
comment by Jaz63 (U8369)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
Leeds fan for 45 years: how do you see the PL's actions - 125 million for the lower leagues, 20 million for the NHS and a 30% wage deferral for the players at PL clubs? And what do you think of those PL clubs that are demanding the government support their non-playing staff?
Again, I am so proud that LUFC are showing the way forward on this. Full credit to Bielsa and Liam Cooper and indeed the Board. That is solidarity!
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I think it's appalling that clubs who can afford to keep paying their non-playing staff with ease are grabbing money from the taxpayer. No doubt some clubs may be struggling financially which is where the players deferring their wages comes in.
The FA did make a valid point that the Gov loses hundreds of millions of pounds worth of taxes if players take a pay cut.
For me, the main reason for players taking a pay cut is to help their club to keep paying their non-playing staff, so the £20m to the NHS seems like a public relations exercise or guilty conscience to me.
The money to the lower leagues will no doubt be a lifeline to some clubs, but it won't go far.
Thanks for your reply, Leeds Fan for 45 years. As in football, then, so in general, in UK society. The rich elite demand state aid when the sheisse hits the fan but have short arms when it comes to doing the right thing.
Yes, the 20 mill to the NHS is not really even a very successful PR stunt if you and I can see through it; and the 125 mill to the lower leagues spread over how many clubs won't be a great deal of help for any one club. After decades of raking in the money, one would imagine the PL is sitting very pretty.
comment by Jaz63 (U8369)
posted 7 hours, 6 minutes ago
Thanks for your reply, Leeds Fan for 45 years. As in football, then, so in general, in UK society. The rich elite demand state aid when the sheisse hits the fan but have short arms when it comes to doing the right thing.
Yes, the 20 mill to the NHS is not really even a very successful PR stunt if you and I can see through it; and the 125 mill to the lower leagues spread over how many clubs won't be a great deal of help for any one club. After decades of raking in the money, one would imagine the PL is sitting very pretty.
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You don't have to convince me that we shouldn't have bailed-out the banks (if that's what you were alluding to).
I've banked with NatWest for 35 years. Business banking with them for 12 years. Excellent credit rating.
Government backs them by underwriting 80% of Coronavirus business loans and they think it's morally right to charge 11.8% interest on them given a base rate of 0.1% and little risk when small businesses like mine are going to the wall.
In comparison, their standard business loans are "only" 8.1%
Profiteering at its worst. I've alerted my MP about it I'm so angry.
It's not the first time that I've said "I'm going to ditch NatWest" but this is the first time I'm going to push through with it if I get through this crisis in one piece (not that they'll give a hoot).
Probably out of the frying pan and into the fire eh?
Just found out that as of July last year, the Premier League Ltd. had just over £1.5bn of cash in the bank.
£145m is I suppose not too shabby at around 10% of their holdings, but could try harder.
Utterly shocking but entirely predictable, unfortunately. We've really got to kick those tables over once we get to the other side of this pandemic. Hope your business can sustain the shock of this meltdown - good luck with it. The new normal will bring new opportunities? As Salonika says, somehow we've got to stay positive.
PL should put up 30% minimum for the lower league clubs then, if they've asked the players to take a 30% cut? £435m would go some distance to keeping the clubs in business and the non-playing staff on the payroll, even if reduced - so long as Taylor is prevented from having anything to do with it.
Please be reminded that the £125m going to the EFL is money ALREADY OWED to the EFL!!!!!!!!!!!
It is simply being advanced sooner than when it was due!
Its not charity, its not a donation, its not anything additional to what is owed to the EFL.
The Prem has not given anything up to the less fortunate clubs!
When one sees certain individual sportsmen, e.g,, Roger Federer donating 1 million of whatever currency, it actually makes the £20m to the NHS seem stingy!
As for the individual Prem clubs, special mention for Liverpool and Spurs here, they have been put to shame by Leeds United. Our club, with far less resources available to it, lead in the early days of this through senior management and players sacrificing so non-playing staff could continue to receive their wages.
We can hold our heads very high in the football world!
Truly Marching on Together, while others are walking alone!!!
Well said JLA - I am immensely proud of Cooper and Bielsa who've really shown true leadership and solidarity.
It’s a “sacrifice” that has to be paid back though and with Leeds losing money and now racking up debt in deferred wages, club will suffer more than clubs that had cuts not deferrals.
Accounts should have been out by now.
Jonny I thought you were championing prem charity the other day?
"It’s a “sacrifice” that has to be paid back though"
Its a deferral. They have mot given up their rights to get paid in full. At the appropriate time, I am confident all the stakeholders will re-evaluate the situation and do what's in the common best interest.
Perhaps you're missing the point? The players and senior management acted swiftly to address the imminent situation. If you want to withhold credit that's up to you. I choose to recognize and acknowledge it.
Might want to re-examine your thought process.
I believe I was simply sharing the information that they had announced what they were giving.
If I championed it, then I was wrong. See how easy that is?
Accounts have been submitted and are being processed.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06233875/filing-history
Cheers Middlesex, I looked Friday but hadn't been submitted then, they're available now.
Jonny, I think I said it was good action at the time, but being a deferral, all they'rere doing is kicking the can down the road which becomes a bigger and bigger problem them have to address. It's all well and good saying different stakeholders will come to a common agreement, but that rarely in happens where football and money is involved, Leeds are potentially storing up big trouble with this.
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posted on 4/4/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
If lockdown isn’t lifted before July I think many clubs will face far bigger issues than playing a few games against rivals who may no longer exist.
Of course the big ones will survive, but the economy will be way past fwcked and many may go to the wall along with millions of the general population unemployed who are the lifeblood of a lot of lower division clubs and I believe that will include Championship clubs.
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I think by July many countries will be on their knees and things will get nasty at some point. We cannot just let whole economies collapse because that will kill many more than this bloody virus.
There has to be a point where we have to either beat it with the isolation or just let it run its course. It scares me to be honest but what’s the alternative?
posted on 4/4/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
If lockdown isn’t lifted before July I think many clubs will face far bigger issues than playing a few games against rivals who may no longer exist.
Of course the big ones will survive, but the economy will be way past fwcked and many may go to the wall along with millions of the general population unemployed who are the lifeblood of a lot of lower division clubs and I believe that will include Championship clubs.
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In that case, what choice is there except to lift the lockdown altogether at an appropriate time in the near future?
posted on 4/4/20
comment by Scouze Doggie Dog (U22357)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 8 minutes ago
If lockdown isn’t lifted before July I think many clubs will face far bigger issues than playing a few games against rivals who may no longer exist.
Of course the big ones will survive, but the economy will be way past fwcked and many may go to the wall along with millions of the general population unemployed who are the lifeblood of a lot of lower division clubs and I believe that will include Championship clubs.
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In that case, what choice is there except to lift the lockdown altogether at an appropriate time in the near future?
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It will be lifted altogether at some point in the next 3/5 months I’d guess but be phased in the next month or so.
Unless we see a significant increase in cases despite the lockdown we have in place that is. That’s not expected though.
posted on 4/4/20
comment by Stoopo (U4707)
posted 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 minutes ago
If lockdown isn’t lifted before July I think many clubs will face far bigger issues than playing a few games against rivals who may no longer exist.
Of course the big ones will survive, but the economy will be way past fwcked and many may go to the wall along with millions of the general population unemployed who are the lifeblood of a lot of lower division clubs and I believe that will include Championship clubs.
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I think by July many countries will be on their knees and things will get nasty at some point. We cannot just let whole economies collapse because that will kill many more than this bloody virus.
There has to be a point where we have to either beat it with the isolation or just let it run its course. It scares me to be honest but what’s the alternative?
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Agreed about countries being in their knees.
I highlighted a few weeks ago that one of next stages was increase in crime against lockdown businesses sbd were starting to see that now.
It’s impossible for police to even stop people going out let alone stop the crimes so next steps are either stricter lockdown or give up on lockdown and hope the extra hospitals and morgues can cope.
It’s easy to see a sunny day with family and think what’s the big deal, but big businesses are closer to failing, health workers dying, 700,000+ volunteers offered to help and now nhs asking vets and nurses to help they are being overwhelmed, my local hospital just said no more people to come in period if you have accident don’t come in go somewhere else. Starting to see divide, people getting annoyed at others for driving, fights at supermarkets, how long can you keep people cooped up.
posted on 4/4/20
The horse has long gone - so what's the point of locking the stable door now? There is confusion over the purpose of locking down, particularly if there is no testing going on. More likely that lockdown is more political damage limitation for when the virus has run it's course. Hancock put a 15% cap on testing frontline NHS staff, ffs!
Talk about dereliction of duty - it's criminal. I can only hope good ole Boris pays dearly, along with little wormtongue Cummings. You're still following the crackpot herd immunity theory over there, can't you see that? The lockdown is just to maintain order when things turn nasty, as they surely will.
And as for the football, isn't Graham Taylor a great man? The PL players and their financial advisors need to take a good look at themselves. Makes me very proud to be Leeds - our Liam Cooper has led by example.
Don't trust the stats - there's no testing to speak of going on. The books on this are being cooked and cooked again.
posted on 4/4/20
There’s as much meaningful testing going on in Sweden.
posted on 4/4/20
Sweden is following a completely different strategy, much more like our original strategy around herd immunity and no lockdowns.
I'm not sure the new normal will be anything like the old normal - this thing can come back at any time and could be an evolved strain.
Economies and governments printing free money leads to hyperinflation and woe for everyone. Football may return to its old days - no longer people on £100,000 per week, they might be lucky to be on that a year.
If the season doesn't finish, £750m of tv money doesn't get paid or gets demanded back. And no end-of-season prize money based on position.
Like all industries, football is in a very difficult position
posted on 4/4/20
comment by Jaz63 (U8369)
posted 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
The horse has long gone - so what's the point of locking the stable door now? There is confusion over the purpose of locking down, particularly if there is no testing going on. More likely that lockdown is more political damage limitation for when the virus has run it's course. Hancock put a 15% cap on testing frontline NHS staff, ffs!
Talk about dereliction of duty - it's criminal. I can only hope good ole Boris pays dearly, along with little wormtongue Cummings. You're still following the crackpot herd immunity theory over there, can't you see that? The lockdown is just to maintain order when things turn nasty, as they surely will.
And as for the football, isn't Graham Taylor a great man? The PL players and their financial advisors need to take a good look at themselves. Makes me very proud to be Leeds - our Liam Cooper has led by example.
Don't trust the stats - there's no testing to speak of going on. The books on this are being cooked and cooked again.
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Blame Boris and Cummings? Oh come on Jaz.
Can you imagine Corbyn doing anything about anything? He'd still be in meetings with the Unions right now and there'd be no money left for tackling this crisis after spending countless billions on nationalising everything that moves.
Lockdown is political?
The following countries have implemented full or partial lockdowns now:
South Africa
New Zealand
Saudi Arabia
Colombia
India
The UK
Australia
China
Jordan
Argentina
Israel
Belgium
France
Spain
Italy
Kuwait
Ireland
Norway
Denmark
El Salvador
Indonesia
Germany
Portugal
Czech Republic
Slovenia
Poland
Lebanon
Russia
Greece.
That's around a third of the population of the globe in full or partial lockdown. And you think it's 'political'?
No leader in the world (perhaps with the exception of that of S.Korea who seems to have hit a home run) has managed this pandemic in a perfect manner. It's almost impossible to plan for such things -- any government that wanted to spend billions on pandemic preparations prior to Covid-19 would have been pilloried.
Then it would have been a case of "blame Boris for wasting money that could have been spent better elsewhere" from those on the far Left of the political divide.
Perhaps right now we all ought to be casting political tendencies to one side and get through this natural disaster without wasting our energies with such mud slinging.
I do echo your comments about our club's management and players taking their pay cuts to preserve the jobs of the rest of the staff. I'm immensely proud of our playing staff for taking what must have been a tough decision given that they'll all have commitments, mortgages etc.
It's as though Bielsa has bleached the stains out of our club and everyone has truly bought-in to his wonderful moral approach to everything. For me, Bielsa has become one of our club's greats even if we don't gain promotion. He's taken our broken club by the scruff of the neck and pointed it back on the right path on all fronts.
posted on 5/4/20
Yes, there is a lockdown in a great many countries around the world today. It's an entirely useless strategy without testing and tracking. One or two smaller countries have been locking down, testing and tracking - S Korea, Taiwan, Singapore, for example - and are managing to avoid the accelerating mortality rates we're seeing everywhere else.
Without testing and tracking, lockdown is only a means of suppressing the movement of people. When society breaks down, survival of the fittest kicks in and the state becomes powerless to maintain order. Paradoxically, a protracted lockdown generates the perfect conditions for social breakdown, particularly as the mortality rate continues to rise. This fear is confronting governments and political elites around the world as the pandemic does its worst. And yes, I did expect the UK government to have a comprehensive, professional plan for what many "experts" have regarded for a long time as an inevitable eventuality. Isn't that what government is for?
Blame Johnson and Cummings? No, of course I don't blame them for the pandemic. I blame them for their utterly hopeless and perhaps even wilful mismanagement of the pandemic; and I blame the Tory Party for the criminal neglect of our fantastic NHS over the past ten years. Don't forget how they cheered when voting down a ONE percent pay rise for nurses! The UK is perhaps the only country in the world which has seen the chief executive, the chief executive's top advisor, the chief medical officer and the minister for health are all infected at the same time - and let's not forget the pregnant partner of the chief executive, either.
You parrot the Daily Mail on Corbyn, and yet you're presumably pleased that wonderkid Sunak has not only implemented his agenda but expanded it. He needed to, and not because of the pandemic. That's just the straw that broke the camel's back. The UK is the fifth or sixth wealthiest nation on the planet, and yet 25% of its people live on or below the poverty line. How much longer will you lot carry on tugging your forelocks?
posted on 5/4/20
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posted on 5/4/20
As this is a footy forum, I'll not continue Jaz. Suffice to say that I was very tempted to point out all the flaws in some of your post.
Two things I feel obliged to correct though:
- Sunak's measures are temporary. Corbyn's would have been permanent, ongoing, forever.
- I think the Daily Mail is a rag full of extreme nonsense (Much like the Mirror). I read the Telegraph which is more measured, fact-based and includes views from both sides of the arguments (though undoubtedly mostly has a right-wing bias). They ran a great article on the 20th anniversary of Istanbul today.
posted on 5/4/20
Leeds fan for 45 years: how do you see the PL's actions - 125 million for the lower leagues, 20 million for the NHS and a 30% wage deferral for the players at PL clubs? And what do you think of those PL clubs that are demanding the government support their non-playing staff?
Again, I am so proud that LUFC are showing the way forward on this. Full credit to Bielsa and Liam Cooper and indeed the Board. That is solidarity!
posted on 5/4/20
comment by Jaz63 (U8369)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
The horse has long gone - so what's the point of locking the stable door now? There is confusion over the purpose of locking down, particularly if there is no testing going on. More likely that lockdown is more political damage limitation for when the virus has run it's course. Hancock put a 15% cap on testing frontline NHS staff, ffs!
Talk about dereliction of duty - it's criminal. I can only hope good ole Boris pays dearly, along with little wormtongue Cummings. You're still following the crackpot herd immunity theory over there, can't you see that? The lockdown is just to maintain order when things turn nasty, as they surely will.
And as for the football, isn't Graham Taylor a great man? The PL players and their financial advisors need to take a good look at themselves. Makes me very proud to be Leeds - our Liam Cooper has led by example.
Don't trust the stats - there's no testing to speak of going on. The books on this are being cooked and cooked again.
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The whole point of the lockdown is to stop people catching the virus at the very time when the NHS are at their busiest. If you want to risk catching it and getting an ICU bed then feel free to try.
We will, assuming most are locking down and social distancing, see both a drop in numbers catching it and therefore dying from it.
The balance was the difficult part. You can already see that some are getting restless and wilfully going against advice. Now imagine if we’d locked down two or three weeks earlier. We are not a dictatorship or a communist state. People just wouldn’t accept a long term lockdown - they can’t even accept a short one in many cases.
posted on 6/4/20
comment by Jaz63 (U8369)
posted 1 day, 1 hour ago
Leeds fan for 45 years: how do you see the PL's actions - 125 million for the lower leagues, 20 million for the NHS and a 30% wage deferral for the players at PL clubs? And what do you think of those PL clubs that are demanding the government support their non-playing staff?
Again, I am so proud that LUFC are showing the way forward on this. Full credit to Bielsa and Liam Cooper and indeed the Board. That is solidarity!
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I think it's appalling that clubs who can afford to keep paying their non-playing staff with ease are grabbing money from the taxpayer. No doubt some clubs may be struggling financially which is where the players deferring their wages comes in.
The FA did make a valid point that the Gov loses hundreds of millions of pounds worth of taxes if players take a pay cut.
For me, the main reason for players taking a pay cut is to help their club to keep paying their non-playing staff, so the £20m to the NHS seems like a public relations exercise or guilty conscience to me.
posted on 6/4/20
The money to the lower leagues will no doubt be a lifeline to some clubs, but it won't go far.
posted on 6/4/20
Thanks for your reply, Leeds Fan for 45 years. As in football, then, so in general, in UK society. The rich elite demand state aid when the sheisse hits the fan but have short arms when it comes to doing the right thing.
Yes, the 20 mill to the NHS is not really even a very successful PR stunt if you and I can see through it; and the 125 mill to the lower leagues spread over how many clubs won't be a great deal of help for any one club. After decades of raking in the money, one would imagine the PL is sitting very pretty.
posted on 6/4/20
comment by Jaz63 (U8369)
posted 7 hours, 6 minutes ago
Thanks for your reply, Leeds Fan for 45 years. As in football, then, so in general, in UK society. The rich elite demand state aid when the sheisse hits the fan but have short arms when it comes to doing the right thing.
Yes, the 20 mill to the NHS is not really even a very successful PR stunt if you and I can see through it; and the 125 mill to the lower leagues spread over how many clubs won't be a great deal of help for any one club. After decades of raking in the money, one would imagine the PL is sitting very pretty.
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You don't have to convince me that we shouldn't have bailed-out the banks (if that's what you were alluding to).
I've banked with NatWest for 35 years. Business banking with them for 12 years. Excellent credit rating.
Government backs them by underwriting 80% of Coronavirus business loans and they think it's morally right to charge 11.8% interest on them given a base rate of 0.1% and little risk when small businesses like mine are going to the wall.
In comparison, their standard business loans are "only" 8.1%
Profiteering at its worst. I've alerted my MP about it I'm so angry.
It's not the first time that I've said "I'm going to ditch NatWest" but this is the first time I'm going to push through with it if I get through this crisis in one piece (not that they'll give a hoot).
Probably out of the frying pan and into the fire eh?
posted on 6/4/20
Just found out that as of July last year, the Premier League Ltd. had just over £1.5bn of cash in the bank.
£145m is I suppose not too shabby at around 10% of their holdings, but could try harder.
posted on 6/4/20
Utterly shocking but entirely predictable, unfortunately. We've really got to kick those tables over once we get to the other side of this pandemic. Hope your business can sustain the shock of this meltdown - good luck with it. The new normal will bring new opportunities? As Salonika says, somehow we've got to stay positive.
PL should put up 30% minimum for the lower league clubs then, if they've asked the players to take a 30% cut? £435m would go some distance to keeping the clubs in business and the non-playing staff on the payroll, even if reduced - so long as Taylor is prevented from having anything to do with it.
posted on 7/4/20
Please be reminded that the £125m going to the EFL is money ALREADY OWED to the EFL!!!!!!!!!!!
It is simply being advanced sooner than when it was due!
Its not charity, its not a donation, its not anything additional to what is owed to the EFL.
The Prem has not given anything up to the less fortunate clubs!
When one sees certain individual sportsmen, e.g,, Roger Federer donating 1 million of whatever currency, it actually makes the £20m to the NHS seem stingy!
As for the individual Prem clubs, special mention for Liverpool and Spurs here, they have been put to shame by Leeds United. Our club, with far less resources available to it, lead in the early days of this through senior management and players sacrificing so non-playing staff could continue to receive their wages.
We can hold our heads very high in the football world!
Truly Marching on Together, while others are walking alone!!!
posted on 7/4/20
Well said JLA - I am immensely proud of Cooper and Bielsa who've really shown true leadership and solidarity.
posted on 7/4/20
It’s a “sacrifice” that has to be paid back though and with Leeds losing money and now racking up debt in deferred wages, club will suffer more than clubs that had cuts not deferrals.
Accounts should have been out by now.
Jonny I thought you were championing prem charity the other day?
posted on 7/4/20
"It’s a “sacrifice” that has to be paid back though"
Its a deferral. They have mot given up their rights to get paid in full. At the appropriate time, I am confident all the stakeholders will re-evaluate the situation and do what's in the common best interest.
Perhaps you're missing the point? The players and senior management acted swiftly to address the imminent situation. If you want to withhold credit that's up to you. I choose to recognize and acknowledge it.
Might want to re-examine your thought process.
I believe I was simply sharing the information that they had announced what they were giving.
If I championed it, then I was wrong. See how easy that is?
posted on 7/4/20
Accounts have been submitted and are being processed.
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06233875/filing-history
posted on 8/4/20
Cheers Middlesex, I looked Friday but hadn't been submitted then, they're available now.
Jonny, I think I said it was good action at the time, but being a deferral, all they'rere doing is kicking the can down the road which becomes a bigger and bigger problem them have to address. It's all well and good saying different stakeholders will come to a common agreement, but that rarely in happens where football and money is involved, Leeds are potentially storing up big trouble with this.
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