comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 4 minutes ago
Carragher politically savvy andgood standing in the game.
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This is the bloke who spat into the face of a child and supported a racist
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You could win a British general election on the back of that, in 2020.
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 24 seconds ago
Carragher politically savvy andgood standing in the game.
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This is the bloke who spat into the face of a child and supported a racist
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How do those comments oppose any point I made?
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Why does anyone bother replying to this lunatic. 🤔😂
Don-totally agree. No surprise Levy and Ashley are the ones unashamedly using the scheme.
The wages of the lower paid staff will be immaterial to the club. Even £1 or £2m is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Levy keeps going down in my estimation
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don-totally agree. No surprise Levy and Ashley are the ones unashamedly using the scheme.
The wages of the lower paid staff will be immaterial to the club. Even £1 or £2m is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Levy keeps going down in my estimation
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Exactly this mate.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 7 seconds ago
Agree about Levy, but he is an excellent business man, so his decision will certainly be what is best for his business interests.
Pool are just worried the government are going to bin the season, they are desperately trying to get into the governments good books.
Football clubs pay millions in tax and are perfectly entitled to use the furlough scheme if they deem it necessary.
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Football clubs don’t need it mate, especially Spurs who have accumulated 65 mil in profits. They need to look after their own. How much is it going to cost ? 3/4 mil tops? This is pennies for a football club of our size, especially given the current climate with this coronavirus. They shouldn’t be taking advantage so no mate, they have no right whatsoever.
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Spurs have stadium debt to the tune of around £600m
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I hardly think paying our staff off for a few months will derail that mate.
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No but added to the lost income from games behind closed doors (£20m for the remaining games this season) and possible loss from not completing this season (circa £35m in TV money plus there will be sponsors payments and other stadium use etc) then it all adds up.
If playing behind closed doors extends in to next season then this will just mount up.
It is prudent in the extreme from Levy. You can totally understand with his sort of mindset the issues he'd have with paying staff for doing nothing. That just ain't in his DNA but the impact from the paused/cancelled season is much greater than these non-playing staff costs. If you av. £30k for the 550 staff then that equates to about £1.4m a month in wages being saved - perhaps easily covered by a 10% reduction in players wages. That way the Govt. is not paying and the club do not profit from the reduced player wages
At least it’s another great chapter to look forward to in the Amazon documentary
comment by Galvin (U22360)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 46 seconds ago
Liverpool listen to their fans, that’s the difference. Levy couldn’t careless. He won’t reverse it.
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Liverpool realised it was a PR disaster, I doubt anything their fans said really mattered.
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It's not as if there's enough high profile Tottenham fans to raise a stink.
The Liverpool situation quickly became untenable once people like Carragher started piling on.
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I think this is a good point that most have overlooked. Liverpool have the likes of Carra who is politically savvy, has a good standing in the game and is a voice to millions of football fans - saying how disgraceful the decision is. Who do spurs have? Ledley King is hardly the sharpest tool in the box; Hoddle is probably saying all these people were terrible in their past life.
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ffs
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Wtf is that mess
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by MKspur ツ (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
No problem with us using the scheme for the 40% that can’t WFH but they should be topping it up and they shouldn’t be making the ones who are wfh take a pay cut at all.
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We are one of the only huge clubs doing it mate, it’s disgusting
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Not topping up is but not sure why football should be held to different standards to other businesses.
For example Mclaren done it and not a word spoken about it.
Want me to spell it out for you palmers?
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 minute ago
no issue with the club using the scheme if they were to top the workers up the other 20% (dunno if they are), but the timing of the whole thing was very poor. i doubt it will be overturned - it was a business decision and on a purely business level the longer the thing goes on there is more justification for it rather than less (in the eyes of the business, taking all human and emotional opinion out of it).
Levy is proper tight, we know that. I wont get into the comments you made about Jewish people, as i am not Jewish.
Levy isn't having a good season. He made a promising start by loosening the purse strings in summer but since then he has been consistently facking up.
poor
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Chronic, finally seeing sense. You seemed to have turned on Levy this season.
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I haven't turned on Levy... i am just doing what i normally do with everyone at spurs.... criticise them when i think they are making poor decisions / doing badly, and praise them when i think they are doing a good job....
right now Levy is probably having his poorest season since he took over, which is why i am being critical... i am not saying i want him gone, i just want him to make better decisions.
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 26 minutes ago
Maybe our fans need to pressure him like liverpool fans pressured theirs?
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Lots of ex players being very vocal in the media also helped, I did see Linekar tweeting at spurs today so that's good to see
People won’t forget
He probably thinks it’s too late to reverse it now
comment by Galvin (U22360)
posted 23 seconds ago
People won’t forget
He probably thinks it’s too late to reverse it now
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People do forget if the right t decision was eventually made.
comment by Galvin (U22360)
posted 39 seconds ago
People won’t forget
He probably thinks it’s too late to reverse it now
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he probably doesn't care. he has had people criticising him for years and years and it doesn't change him. will be water off a ducks back i reckon.
Galv
since the new stadium delays(not his fault obviously) Levy has been a disgrace
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Galvin (U22360)
posted 23 seconds ago
People won’t forget
He probably thinks it’s too late to reverse it now
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People do forget if the right t decision was eventually made.
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True but I think that’s how he will feel about it
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 21 seconds ago
since the new stadium delays(not his fault obviously) Levy has been a disgrace
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Go on
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 6 seconds ago
since the new stadium delays(not his fault obviously) Levy has been a disgrace
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before then i had been somewhat won over by him from how the Poch era panned out
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 6 seconds ago
since the new stadium delays(not his fault obviously) Levy has been a disgrace
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before then i had been somewhat won over by him from how the Poch era panned out
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his communication to fans about the stadium and other matters was unacceptable. he went a summer transfer window without strengthening when it was most needed. when the pressure was getting to him he sacked the best manager he had and hired a manager who has completely lost it.
It makes for grim reading really
This crisis was handy for him in some ways
Levy was great up until the last couple of years.
The stadium delays were his fault. He was in charge and set a ridiculously ambitious target of only spending one season out of WHL. When inevitable issues occured due to his crazy timeline we were lumbered with paying over the odds for Wembley and excessive amounts of building contractors.
He was so obsessed with the stadium he completely neglected the playing side of things. Leaving poch to continue to work miracles. The Grealish transfer was particularly ridiculous given we had him for £25m then levy tried to be clever and knock down the price.
Sacking Poch imo was a joke decision. He never got a chance to work with Ndombele and lo Celso fully fit, imo we'd be far better off than we are now. Poch deserved this season to turn it around.
Then probably the worst decision of all, hiring that washed up dinosaur Mourinho. Clearly finished at this level, and never going to work within Levy's parameters.
Now we have the highest ticket prices to watch the dullest, negative football in the league.
I'm pretty sick of Levy's fack ups. I have not missed watching spurs at all. I've only missed the social side of going to spurs.
Can't help thinking Levy is hoping Corona will bring about a structural change in the way football is financed. In his defense he has argued for years that its a bubble and the levels of spending on fees & wages etc are unsustainable. With the exception of those financed by nation states, billionaire benefactors or leveraged by massive debt, the financial position of a lot of clubs seems a lot more unstable than many think. Its a pretty one dimensional bizz and without bums on seats & the camera's rolling most are pretty much facked
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posted on 7/4/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 4 minutes ago
Carragher politically savvy andgood standing in the game.
=======================================
This is the bloke who spat into the face of a child and supported a racist
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You could win a British general election on the back of that, in 2020.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 24 seconds ago
Carragher politically savvy andgood standing in the game.
=======================================
This is the bloke who spat into the face of a child and supported a racist
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How do those comments oppose any point I made?
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Why does anyone bother replying to this lunatic. 🤔😂
posted on 7/4/20
Don-totally agree. No surprise Levy and Ashley are the ones unashamedly using the scheme.
The wages of the lower paid staff will be immaterial to the club. Even £1 or £2m is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Levy keeps going down in my estimation
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 2 minutes ago
Don-totally agree. No surprise Levy and Ashley are the ones unashamedly using the scheme.
The wages of the lower paid staff will be immaterial to the club. Even £1 or £2m is nothing in the grand scheme of things.
Levy keeps going down in my estimation
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Exactly this mate.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 23 seconds ago
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 7 seconds ago
Agree about Levy, but he is an excellent business man, so his decision will certainly be what is best for his business interests.
Pool are just worried the government are going to bin the season, they are desperately trying to get into the governments good books.
Football clubs pay millions in tax and are perfectly entitled to use the furlough scheme if they deem it necessary.
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Football clubs don’t need it mate, especially Spurs who have accumulated 65 mil in profits. They need to look after their own. How much is it going to cost ? 3/4 mil tops? This is pennies for a football club of our size, especially given the current climate with this coronavirus. They shouldn’t be taking advantage so no mate, they have no right whatsoever.
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Spurs have stadium debt to the tune of around £600m
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I hardly think paying our staff off for a few months will derail that mate.
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No but added to the lost income from games behind closed doors (£20m for the remaining games this season) and possible loss from not completing this season (circa £35m in TV money plus there will be sponsors payments and other stadium use etc) then it all adds up.
If playing behind closed doors extends in to next season then this will just mount up.
It is prudent in the extreme from Levy. You can totally understand with his sort of mindset the issues he'd have with paying staff for doing nothing. That just ain't in his DNA but the impact from the paused/cancelled season is much greater than these non-playing staff costs. If you av. £30k for the 550 staff then that equates to about £1.4m a month in wages being saved - perhaps easily covered by a 10% reduction in players wages. That way the Govt. is not paying and the club do not profit from the reduced player wages
posted on 7/4/20
At least it’s another great chapter to look forward to in the Amazon documentary
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Galvin (U22360)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 46 seconds ago
Liverpool listen to their fans, that’s the difference. Levy couldn’t careless. He won’t reverse it.
--------------------------------------------------------
Liverpool realised it was a PR disaster, I doubt anything their fans said really mattered.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's not as if there's enough high profile Tottenham fans to raise a stink.
The Liverpool situation quickly became untenable once people like Carragher started piling on.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think this is a good point that most have overlooked. Liverpool have the likes of Carra who is politically savvy, has a good standing in the game and is a voice to millions of football fans - saying how disgraceful the decision is. Who do spurs have? Ledley King is hardly the sharpest tool in the box; Hoddle is probably saying all these people were terrible in their past life.
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ffs
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Wtf is that mess
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by MKspur ツ (U9129)
posted 1 minute ago
No problem with us using the scheme for the 40% that can’t WFH but they should be topping it up and they shouldn’t be making the ones who are wfh take a pay cut at all.
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We are one of the only huge clubs doing it mate, it’s disgusting
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Not topping up is but not sure why football should be held to different standards to other businesses.
For example Mclaren done it and not a word spoken about it.
posted on 7/4/20
Want me to spell it out for you palmers?
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
comment by Tottenham Chronic (U3423)
posted 1 minute ago
no issue with the club using the scheme if they were to top the workers up the other 20% (dunno if they are), but the timing of the whole thing was very poor. i doubt it will be overturned - it was a business decision and on a purely business level the longer the thing goes on there is more justification for it rather than less (in the eyes of the business, taking all human and emotional opinion out of it).
Levy is proper tight, we know that. I wont get into the comments you made about Jewish people, as i am not Jewish.
Levy isn't having a good season. He made a promising start by loosening the purse strings in summer but since then he has been consistently facking up.
poor
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Chronic, finally seeing sense. You seemed to have turned on Levy this season.
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I haven't turned on Levy... i am just doing what i normally do with everyone at spurs.... criticise them when i think they are making poor decisions / doing badly, and praise them when i think they are doing a good job....
right now Levy is probably having his poorest season since he took over, which is why i am being critical... i am not saying i want him gone, i just want him to make better decisions.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Troy's Tanguy Tanganga of Tottenham (U6468)
posted 26 minutes ago
Maybe our fans need to pressure him like liverpool fans pressured theirs?
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Lots of ex players being very vocal in the media also helped, I did see Linekar tweeting at spurs today so that's good to see
posted on 7/4/20
People won’t forget
He probably thinks it’s too late to reverse it now
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Galvin (U22360)
posted 23 seconds ago
People won’t forget
He probably thinks it’s too late to reverse it now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People do forget if the right t decision was eventually made.
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Galvin (U22360)
posted 39 seconds ago
People won’t forget
He probably thinks it’s too late to reverse it now
----------------------------------------------------------------------
he probably doesn't care. he has had people criticising him for years and years and it doesn't change him. will be water off a ducks back i reckon.
Galv
posted on 7/4/20
since the new stadium delays(not his fault obviously) Levy has been a disgrace
posted on 7/4/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Galvin (U22360)
posted 23 seconds ago
People won’t forget
He probably thinks it’s too late to reverse it now
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People do forget if the right t decision was eventually made.
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True but I think that’s how he will feel about it
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 21 seconds ago
since the new stadium delays(not his fault obviously) Levy has been a disgrace
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Go on
posted on 7/4/20
Chron
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 6 seconds ago
since the new stadium delays(not his fault obviously) Levy has been a disgrace
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before then i had been somewhat won over by him from how the Poch era panned out
posted on 7/4/20
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Phendombele (U20037)
posted 6 seconds ago
since the new stadium delays(not his fault obviously) Levy has been a disgrace
----------------------------------------------------------------------
before then i had been somewhat won over by him from how the Poch era panned out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
his communication to fans about the stadium and other matters was unacceptable. he went a summer transfer window without strengthening when it was most needed. when the pressure was getting to him he sacked the best manager he had and hired a manager who has completely lost it.
posted on 7/4/20
It makes for grim reading really
This crisis was handy for him in some ways
posted on 7/4/20
Levy was great up until the last couple of years.
The stadium delays were his fault. He was in charge and set a ridiculously ambitious target of only spending one season out of WHL. When inevitable issues occured due to his crazy timeline we were lumbered with paying over the odds for Wembley and excessive amounts of building contractors.
He was so obsessed with the stadium he completely neglected the playing side of things. Leaving poch to continue to work miracles. The Grealish transfer was particularly ridiculous given we had him for £25m then levy tried to be clever and knock down the price.
Sacking Poch imo was a joke decision. He never got a chance to work with Ndombele and lo Celso fully fit, imo we'd be far better off than we are now. Poch deserved this season to turn it around.
Then probably the worst decision of all, hiring that washed up dinosaur Mourinho. Clearly finished at this level, and never going to work within Levy's parameters.
Now we have the highest ticket prices to watch the dullest, negative football in the league.
I'm pretty sick of Levy's fack ups. I have not missed watching spurs at all. I've only missed the social side of going to spurs.
posted on 7/4/20
Can't help thinking Levy is hoping Corona will bring about a structural change in the way football is financed. In his defense he has argued for years that its a bubble and the levels of spending on fees & wages etc are unsustainable. With the exception of those financed by nation states, billionaire benefactors or leveraged by massive debt, the financial position of a lot of clubs seems a lot more unstable than many think. Its a pretty one dimensional bizz and without bums on seats & the camera's rolling most are pretty much facked
posted on 7/4/20
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posted on 7/4/20
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