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comment by Melt (U22362)

posted on 11/4/20

Also there was 42 games a season back then, Elvis.

posted on 11/4/20

Also depends on how your team plays as well. Harry Kane is a good passer of the ball but doesn’t get many assists. Drogba used to get more than him because he was great at knocking the ball down to players like Ballack and Lampard, but didn’t have Kane’s passing range.

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But he wasn’t a creative player. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t pass.
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I'm sure he could if he wanted to.
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I actually think assists mean less as a striker than most other positions. As a striker it’s all about the quality of the finishers around you, which in a lot of teams can be low.
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I was saying he could pass, but would generally choose not to, but that's otherwise a fair point. RvN could be said to have contributed to Forlan's failure at United. They may not have had the embarrassment of attacking riches that Arsenal had at the time, but there were still the likes of Giggs, Solksjaer and Forlan. Your argument does hold water, but RvN didn't manage more than 4 assists when he had Robinho, Raul and Robben to pass to!

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 13 minutes ago
Also there was 42 games a season back then, Elvis.
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I meant he played 40 games

posted on 11/4/20

Forlan just didn’t fit really. We scored goals for fun in his first season he just couldn’t hit a barn door - it’s not like he wasn’t getting chances. It’s a shame because after moving to Spain he showed what a wonderful striker he was when he was the focal point of attack, a superior one to RVN, in my opinion. But it’s understandable that Fergie persisted with RVN as the main man as he had proven himself at United and in the prem.

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Forlan just didn’t fit really. We scored goals for fun in his first season he just couldn’t hit a barn door - it’s not like he wasn’t getting chances. It’s a shame because after moving to Spain he showed what a wonderful striker he was when he was the focal point of attack, a superior one to RVN, in my opinion. But it’s understandable that Fergie persisted with RVN as the main man as he had proven himself at United and in the prem.
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On that particular score, I'll refer to your knowledge of your own club. I just remember saf saying something about him not fitting the style of some of the other players.

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
Also depends on how your team plays as well. Harry Kane is a good passer of the ball but doesn’t get many assists. Drogba used to get more than him because he was great at knocking the ball down to players like Ballack and Lampard, but didn’t have Kane’s passing range.
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I'd say it's also about vision and unselfish play. Even by strikers' standards (the most selfish players in a team), Kane takes the most ridiculous shots from all angles and distances you'll ever see. I wouldn't say Kane is that great a passer. Most often averages a pass completion in the 60's while better link-up strikers would generally hover around the 80's. You're judging it off the fact he can occasionally hit a great ambitious final ball.

posted on 11/4/20

Defer to your knowledge**

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 51 minutes ago
I’ve never seen a fullback in the PL do what TAA has done this season & last. Teams most creative player, the one who dictates the tempo of the play, the player who creates width and helps break the opposition line. Probably the most important player in Liverpool’s whole team, his passing range is exceptional.
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Slow down there, Melts. Trent is good at quite a few things, but ffs, he doesn't "dictate the tempo of play" because he occasionally hits a good cross-field ball.
And I'd say he's probably the weakest link in Liverpool's defense. If there's a player you'd target in the Liverpool backline, it's him.
Liverpool's most important players in my opinion in terms of the most indispensable are in order:
Salah
Mane (interchangeable - Mane above Salah this season)
VVD
Alisson (Liverpool would have beaten Atletico if he played)
Firmino
TAA/Robertson

Admittedly, Liverpool's entire midfield is basically dispensable and TAA is more important than any of them.

comment by Melt (U22362)

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 13 minutes ago
Also there was 42 games a season back then, Elvis.
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I meant he played 40 games
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Which I guess is such a big thing that isn’t taken as much into consideration. Suarez’s tally is all the more impressive considering he missed a chunk due to taking a chunk.

posted on 11/4/20

I think he plays more ambitious passes, and he does peel out wide and cross which are naturally a lower percentage of success. He’s not an amazing passer, but I think he’s a good passer and has a good range. I think other link up strikers are more economical in their ball retention, playing safer shorter passes - whether the former or the latter is more valuable to the team is a different matter. But often in the case of assist stats it’s not always reflective of a strikers passing ability, unless it’s someone ridiculous like Henry.

Giröulski, well yeah there’s an element of that. And if you’re suggesting that RVN’s presence as the main striker hindered him I wouldn’t disagree. But I don’t think Forlan’s struggles were to do with RVN not passing to him, if that’s what you’re inferring. We had other strikers that struck up a connection with him, particularly Rooney. Also worth noting we moved Scholes in behind in in 02/03, and they were the reason we won the league.

Forlan’s struggles were obviously a mental thing as well. The chances he used to miss for United he buried when he played in Spain. It’s a shame, because he really was a great striker but it just didn’t work out at United. Lots of factors contributed to that.

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
But he wasn’t a creative player. That doesn’t mean he couldn’t pass.
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I'm sure he could if he wanted to.
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???

I actually think assists mean less as a striker than most other positions. As a striker it’s all about the quality of the finishers around you, which in a lot of teams can be low.
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I was saying he could pass, but would generally choose not to, but that's otherwise a fair point. RvN could be said to have contributed to Forlan's failure at United. They may not have had the embarrassment of attacking riches that Arsenal had at the time, but there were still the likes of Giggs, Solksjaer and Forlan. Your argument does hold water, but RvN didn't manage more than 4 assists when he had Robinho, Raul and Robben to pass to!
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If Scholes could play well with RVN, no reason Forlan couldn't. Sometimes, South Americans just flop in England for no discernable reason other than just not having their minds in the right place in a foreign country

posted on 11/4/20

South Americans just flop in England for no discernable reason
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A very wrong generalisation.

comment by Melt (U22362)

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 51 minutes ago
I’ve never seen a fullback in the PL do what TAA has done this season & last. Teams most creative player, the one who dictates the tempo of the play, the player who creates width and helps break the opposition line. Probably the most important player in Liverpool’s whole team, his passing range is exceptional.
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Slow down there, Melts. Trent is good at quite a few things, but ffs, he doesn't "dictate the tempo of play" because he occasionally hits a good cross-field ball.
And I'd say he's probably the weakest link in Liverpool's defense. If there's a player you'd target in the Liverpool backline, it's him.
Liverpool's most important players in my opinion in terms of the most indispensable are in order:
Salah
Mane (interchangeable - Mane above Salah this season)
VVD
Alisson (Liverpool would have beaten Atletico if he played)
Firmino
TAA/Robertson

Admittedly, Liverpool's entire midfield is basically dispensable and TAA is more important than any of them.
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I disagree I honestly think he does, he is crucial at speeding the game up with his outstanding ball progression. Tbf to Trippier it was the only thing he was good at as well.

Happy for Mane to be considered their most vital player though, he creates so much for that team and is the only one who consistently carries the ball into the final third.

comment by Melt (U22362)

posted on 11/4/20

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 6 minutes ago
South Americans just flop in England for no discernable reason
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A very wrong generalisation.
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I agree with this, I think players flopping is so overplayed and poorly stereotyped.

If someone took the time to judge this, there would probably be as many PL proven/British flops % wise as there is any other nation and from the majority of other leagues. The Dutch league being the prime example.

posted on 11/4/20

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 18 minutes ago
South Americans just flop in England for no discernable reason
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A very wrong generalisation.
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Quoting the whole sentence may have given better context to the comment than quoting part of it.

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff John Brown - Emery OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 51 minutes ago
I’ve never seen a fullback in the PL do what TAA has done this season & last. Teams most creative player, the one who dictates the tempo of the play, the player who creates width and helps break the opposition line. Probably the most important player in Liverpool’s whole team, his passing range is exceptional.
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Slow down there, Melts. Trent is good at quite a few things, but ffs, he doesn't "dictate the tempo of play" because he occasionally hits a good cross-field ball.
And I'd say he's probably the weakest link in Liverpool's defense. If there's a player you'd target in the Liverpool backline, it's him.
Liverpool's most important players in my opinion in terms of the most indispensable are in order:
Salah
Mane (interchangeable - Mane above Salah this season)
VVD
Alisson (Liverpool would have beaten Atletico if he played)
Firmino
TAA/Robertson

Admittedly, Liverpool's entire midfield is basically dispensable and TAA is more important than any of them.
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I disagree I honestly think he does, he is crucial at speeding the game up with his outstanding ball progression. Tbf to Trippier it was the only thing he was good at as well.

Happy for Mane to be considered their most vital player though, he creates so much for that team and is the only one who consistently carries the ball into the final third.
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Oh, he hits a great cross field ball. I quibbled with your saying he dictates the tempo of the game for Liverpool. If he did, he'd be playing in midfield and not at fullback. I just don't think it's close to an accurate description of what he does.

posted on 11/4/20

TAA has to be the most overrated player to have come out in recent years. He's got good passing and delivery but aside from that he's really benefiting from Klopp's amazing system. Stick him in another side and he'll be just another player. Can't defend for ish.

comment by Melt (U22362)

posted on 11/4/20

I always find people who say attacking fullbacks “can’t defend” or at least emphasise the point so much don’t really understand the use of modern day fullbacks in a system

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 13 minutes ago
Also there was 42 games a season back then, Elvis.
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I meant he played 40 games
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Which I guess is such a big thing that isn’t taken as much into consideration. Suarez’s tally is all the more impressive considering he missed a chunk due to taking a chunk.
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For me doing it for a team that has come up from the championship is more impressive.

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 10 hours, 15 minutes ago
No more nick ❌
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Because I proved you wrong? Lol Wtf. How odd. Not sure who you were before you got banned but good luck.

posted on 11/4/20

comment by Kunta Kante (U1641)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 4 hours ago
My team is based on their overall seasons, and not strictly just PL performance. So includes overall goals and also considers trophies won. I've also made sure to not include any players from the same year, which makes things a little trickier!

Henry (03-04)---van Nistelrooy (02-03)--Ronaldo (07-08)
------Lampard (09-10)------------Toure (13-14)
--------------------------Keane (99-00)
Cole (11-12)--Terry (04-05)--Stam (98-99)--TAA (18-19)
---------------------van der Sar (08-09)

I don't think that team would do too badly at all!


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As a Chelsea fan, Robertson was definitely better than Cole in 11/12.
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What’s your thinking behind that bk? Cole 11/12 was phenomenal. Not much in it for me

posted on 11/4/20

People’s thoughts on Shearer 93/94?

posted on 11/4/20

11/12 Cole is an odd season to pick the best LB Premier League season ever. We finished 6th, it was probably the season he started to decline, Baines won PFA team of the year LB

posted on 11/4/20

And Robertson last season was immense, has been this season too. Now it is more of a debate whether he’s better than Cole in his best years, but Cole’s best years wasn’t 11/12,

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