A warning before you watch this. It’s brutal and I guess our media won’t cover it. Blacks are being denied access to shops, restaurants and other places. Some Chinese are blaming them for Covid19.
China needs stopping!
https://twitter.com/ephremkt/status/1251847757972803586?s=21
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic
Who’s saying that you ignore problems in ones own country?
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As a rule, it helps to read what I was responding to. I'll help you out, because clearly you need it:
Mancini: 'people on the left "only condemn [discrimination] when it's convenient".
Me: Not true, given that condemning X where X = *our actions* (the ones we are responsible for and can most do something about), are the least convenient actions to condemn.
That you got from that elementary moral truism to this:
"comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
Berbaking would gladly let Jewish people die in concentration camps in the 40’d just because there was wealth inequality in England."
... confirms everything we already know about the person behind the 'Robb' username.
Berba, you’re having mare here (as usual)
You said this utterly stupid and vacuous comment...
"It makes no sense on any level - pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away."
You then gave the most stupid reasoning and you have zero defence.
Just accept you facked up and please give the rest of us permission to criticise who we want as you seemingly think that blame only exists within the borders you live in.
What is the news here? Surely nobody thought China was welcoming to outsiders did they?
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 45 seconds ago
Berba, you’re having mare here (as usual)
You said this utterly stupid and vacuous comment...
"It makes no sense on any level - pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away."
You then gave the most stupid reasoning and you have zero defence.
Just accept you facked up and please give the rest of us permission to criticise who we want as you seemingly think that blame only exists within the borders you live in.
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Last comment because you're clearly too thick to understand simple points (or, more likely, your desire to be the eternal contrarian supersedes all else).
You can criticise whoever you like - I never said otherwise.
But there is plainly greater moral and pragmatic value to criticising actions to which you can actually do something about and bear some responsibility for. This is literally non-negotiable. You have no counter to this. There's no shocker or mare here on my part. It's simply true, and exposes Mancini's claim that the left "only condemn when it's convenient". That was the point I was responding to, which you ignored and have since repeatedly shown yourself up. As ever. And you think *I'm* having the mare? Have some self awareness for Christ's sake.
If my reasoning is "stupid", it should be fairly easy for you to explain why there *isn't* vastly greater moral and pragmatic value to focusing primarily on your own actions than primarily focussing on someone else's. You can't, because what i said is correct, which is why you have to resort to essentially calling me a member of the Third Reich.
Classy, Robb. Classy.
Contrarian 🥱
You’re the one whose views are contrarian. And if you had half the brain cells you think you have you’d understand the concentration camp point. And no, it’s nothing to do with you being a naaazi.
You’ve gone from ‘it makes no sense on any level’ to ‘there is greater moral and pragmatic value’ so nice to see those goalposts move. I can only assume you re-examined the utter stupidity of your earlier statement.
Rather than debate your new, revised and slightly more sensible comment, I’ll just go back to the original point (and I know you know you facked up which is why you’re visibly fuming) - ‘it makes no sense on ANY level- pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away.
Of course it does. If you don’t know this then you’re very much part of the problem rather than the solution.
Strange that the left has been quiet about this so far.
+++
This is how thick right wingers are. They presume because you are a liberal thinker you are therefore, by definition, a Pinko Communist.
I regard myself as 'liberal' and not 'reactionary' and therefore you will no doubt include me as part of 'the left' as you call it. Yet, I have no sympathy for totalitarian regimes whatsoever, be they on the far left or far right.
And yes, both Boris and Trump are still racist and sexist buffoons.
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 41 minutes ago
It makes no sense on any level - pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away.
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What a cop out
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You have it exactly backwards (unsurprisingly). It’s much, much less convenient to address issues for which you can actually do something about than it is to say “but look over there!”.
You get to point at ‘them’ once you’ve dealt with your own house first.
The “cop out” is deflecting from our own responsibilities, actions and consequences. This isn’t debatable or negotiable. You wouldn’t herald the courage (pragmatic or moral) of a Russian commissar in the 60’s pointing to the crimes of some far away state, like Haiti or something, no matter how true his words. You’d ask why that person wasn’t dissenting against their own state’s crimes, first.
Normally this doesn’t need to be spelled out, but I appreciate the house contrarian needs to play his part at all times.
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People in the west like to criticise dictatorships, whilst being in denial of how their governments prop them up.
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Who here is saying that there aren’t problems at ‘home’ though?
No one is defending the UK. Most on here have the ability to both criticise the UK and China and there’s zero moral problems with doing so.
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By all means criticise both. I take issue with those who ignore the UK and US role in arming and supporting many of this dodgy regimes.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 41 minutes ago
It makes no sense on any level - pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away.
————
What a cop out
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You have it exactly backwards (unsurprisingly). It’s much, much less convenient to address issues for which you can actually do something about than it is to say “but look over there!”.
You get to point at ‘them’ once you’ve dealt with your own house first.
The “cop out” is deflecting from our own responsibilities, actions and consequences. This isn’t debatable or negotiable. You wouldn’t herald the courage (pragmatic or moral) of a Russian commissar in the 60’s pointing to the crimes of some far away state, like Haiti or something, no matter how true his words. You’d ask why that person wasn’t dissenting against their own state’s crimes, first.
Normally this doesn’t need to be spelled out, but I appreciate the house contrarian needs to play his part at all times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People in the west like to criticise dictatorships, whilst being in denial of how their governments prop them up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who here is saying that there aren’t problems at ‘home’ though?
No one is defending the UK. Most on here have the ability to both criticise the UK and China and there’s zero moral problems with doing so.
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By all means criticise both. I take issue with those who ignore the UK and US role in arming and supporting many of this dodgy regimes.
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Agreed. There’s zero moral difference in slating your own country and also China
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 41 minutes ago
It makes no sense on any level - pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away.
————
What a cop out
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You have it exactly backwards (unsurprisingly). It’s much, much less convenient to address issues for which you can actually do something about than it is to say “but look over there!”.
You get to point at ‘them’ once you’ve dealt with your own house first.
The “cop out” is deflecting from our own responsibilities, actions and consequences. This isn’t debatable or negotiable. You wouldn’t herald the courage (pragmatic or moral) of a Russian commissar in the 60’s pointing to the crimes of some far away state, like Haiti or something, no matter how true his words. You’d ask why that person wasn’t dissenting against their own state’s crimes, first.
Normally this doesn’t need to be spelled out, but I appreciate the house contrarian needs to play his part at all times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People in the west like to criticise dictatorships, whilst being in denial of how their governments prop them up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who here is saying that there aren’t problems at ‘home’ though?
No one is defending the UK. Most on here have the ability to both criticise the UK and China and there’s zero moral problems with doing so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
By all means criticise both. I take issue with those who ignore the UK and US role in arming and supporting many of this dodgy regimes.
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Or use it to political point score to cover for inadequacies of their own government. Which is what this thread is all about.
I'm on the left, and think it's abhorrent. I don't think that proves anything. Because I think most people do.
I generally agree with you Berba, but not this time
Case in point, if everybody points out Chinese racism it may shame them into change, they would not like to lose face.
Nothing wro with pointing out.the sins of other countries, so long as it does not deflect you from trying to put right sins in your own
The OP is full of shyyte.
What rock have you been living under, Mr Mankini?
The past few weeks have been nothing but uproar against the reactionary racist policies of the Guangdong Provincial authority.
JA606 continues to plumb ever deeper depths as it gradually turns into yet another *Chan site with teenage-level partisan political commentary such as this.
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 3 minutes ago
* Mancini.
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The other name was better
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
I generally agree with you Berba, but not this time
Case in point, if everybody points out Chinese racism it may shame them into change, they would not like to lose face.
Nothing wro with pointing out.the sins of other countries, so long as it does not deflect you from trying to put right sins in your own
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What you’re describing is mass coordinated pressure to try and stop something. I’m on board with that completely. It requires *action* - on a major scale. Action is often inconvenient, which just proves my point further. Remember it was Mancini who suggested that “the left” (whatever he means by that) only engage in issues if it’s convenient to them. He doesn’t do irony, apparently.
My entire point was that Mancini’s sitting on his back side writing posts on a football forum about something about something happening on the other side of the world in order to make himself feel better couldn’t be more convenient. It requires no action and is purely self serving.
On the other hand, those who engage in dissent against the (very many) crimes (almost exclusively conducted abroad) by our own government(s) are in the greatly less convenient position. It also has a moral and pragmatic value that sitting behind a computer and simply saying “oh that thing is bad over there” just doesn’t have.
I stress agin that what you’re describing - some level of coordinated action - is quite distinct what Mancini is doing.
The past few weeks have been nothing but uproar against the reactionary racist policies of the Guangdong Provincial authority.(lol,any links)
,
Dont have a breakdown just because Mancini is offering the most basic push back on the general narrative
Share the fking article then or am I going to have to leave your article to go and find the actual article?
Sign in if you want to comment
Racism in China
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posted on 19/4/20
A warning before you watch this. It’s brutal and I guess our media won’t cover it. Blacks are being denied access to shops, restaurants and other places. Some Chinese are blaming them for Covid19.
China needs stopping!
https://twitter.com/ephremkt/status/1251847757972803586?s=21
posted on 19/4/20
Dreadful.
posted on 19/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic
Who’s saying that you ignore problems in ones own country?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As a rule, it helps to read what I was responding to. I'll help you out, because clearly you need it:
Mancini: 'people on the left "only condemn [discrimination] when it's convenient".
Me: Not true, given that condemning X where X = *our actions* (the ones we are responsible for and can most do something about), are the least convenient actions to condemn.
That you got from that elementary moral truism to this:
"comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
Berbaking would gladly let Jewish people die in concentration camps in the 40’d just because there was wealth inequality in England."
... confirms everything we already know about the person behind the 'Robb' username.
posted on 19/4/20
Berba, you’re having mare here (as usual)
You said this utterly stupid and vacuous comment...
"It makes no sense on any level - pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away."
You then gave the most stupid reasoning and you have zero defence.
Just accept you facked up and please give the rest of us permission to criticise who we want as you seemingly think that blame only exists within the borders you live in.
posted on 19/4/20
What is the news here? Surely nobody thought China was welcoming to outsiders did they?
posted on 19/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 45 seconds ago
Berba, you’re having mare here (as usual)
You said this utterly stupid and vacuous comment...
"It makes no sense on any level - pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away."
You then gave the most stupid reasoning and you have zero defence.
Just accept you facked up and please give the rest of us permission to criticise who we want as you seemingly think that blame only exists within the borders you live in.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Last comment because you're clearly too thick to understand simple points (or, more likely, your desire to be the eternal contrarian supersedes all else).
You can criticise whoever you like - I never said otherwise.
But there is plainly greater moral and pragmatic value to criticising actions to which you can actually do something about and bear some responsibility for. This is literally non-negotiable. You have no counter to this. There's no shocker or mare here on my part. It's simply true, and exposes Mancini's claim that the left "only condemn when it's convenient". That was the point I was responding to, which you ignored and have since repeatedly shown yourself up. As ever. And you think *I'm* having the mare? Have some self awareness for Christ's sake.
If my reasoning is "stupid", it should be fairly easy for you to explain why there *isn't* vastly greater moral and pragmatic value to focusing primarily on your own actions than primarily focussing on someone else's. You can't, because what i said is correct, which is why you have to resort to essentially calling me a member of the Third Reich.
Classy, Robb. Classy.
posted on 19/4/20
Contrarian 🥱
You’re the one whose views are contrarian. And if you had half the brain cells you think you have you’d understand the concentration camp point. And no, it’s nothing to do with you being a naaazi.
You’ve gone from ‘it makes no sense on any level’ to ‘there is greater moral and pragmatic value’ so nice to see those goalposts move. I can only assume you re-examined the utter stupidity of your earlier statement.
Rather than debate your new, revised and slightly more sensible comment, I’ll just go back to the original point (and I know you know you facked up which is why you’re visibly fuming) - ‘it makes no sense on ANY level- pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away.
Of course it does. If you don’t know this then you’re very much part of the problem rather than the solution.
posted on 19/4/20
Strange that the left has been quiet about this so far.
+++
This is how thick right wingers are. They presume because you are a liberal thinker you are therefore, by definition, a Pinko Communist.
I regard myself as 'liberal' and not 'reactionary' and therefore you will no doubt include me as part of 'the left' as you call it. Yet, I have no sympathy for totalitarian regimes whatsoever, be they on the far left or far right.
And yes, both Boris and Trump are still racist and sexist buffoons.
posted on 19/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 41 minutes ago
It makes no sense on any level - pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away.
————
What a cop out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You have it exactly backwards (unsurprisingly). It’s much, much less convenient to address issues for which you can actually do something about than it is to say “but look over there!”.
You get to point at ‘them’ once you’ve dealt with your own house first.
The “cop out” is deflecting from our own responsibilities, actions and consequences. This isn’t debatable or negotiable. You wouldn’t herald the courage (pragmatic or moral) of a Russian commissar in the 60’s pointing to the crimes of some far away state, like Haiti or something, no matter how true his words. You’d ask why that person wasn’t dissenting against their own state’s crimes, first.
Normally this doesn’t need to be spelled out, but I appreciate the house contrarian needs to play his part at all times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People in the west like to criticise dictatorships, whilst being in denial of how their governments prop them up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who here is saying that there aren’t problems at ‘home’ though?
No one is defending the UK. Most on here have the ability to both criticise the UK and China and there’s zero moral problems with doing so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
By all means criticise both. I take issue with those who ignore the UK and US role in arming and supporting many of this dodgy regimes.
posted on 19/4/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 41 minutes ago
It makes no sense on any level - pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away.
————
What a cop out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You have it exactly backwards (unsurprisingly). It’s much, much less convenient to address issues for which you can actually do something about than it is to say “but look over there!”.
You get to point at ‘them’ once you’ve dealt with your own house first.
The “cop out” is deflecting from our own responsibilities, actions and consequences. This isn’t debatable or negotiable. You wouldn’t herald the courage (pragmatic or moral) of a Russian commissar in the 60’s pointing to the crimes of some far away state, like Haiti or something, no matter how true his words. You’d ask why that person wasn’t dissenting against their own state’s crimes, first.
Normally this doesn’t need to be spelled out, but I appreciate the house contrarian needs to play his part at all times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People in the west like to criticise dictatorships, whilst being in denial of how their governments prop them up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who here is saying that there aren’t problems at ‘home’ though?
No one is defending the UK. Most on here have the ability to both criticise the UK and China and there’s zero moral problems with doing so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
By all means criticise both. I take issue with those who ignore the UK and US role in arming and supporting many of this dodgy regimes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed. There’s zero moral difference in slating your own country and also China
posted on 19/4/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 41 minutes ago
It makes no sense on any level - pragmatic or moral - to point to the crimes of someone else far away.
————
What a cop out
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You have it exactly backwards (unsurprisingly). It’s much, much less convenient to address issues for which you can actually do something about than it is to say “but look over there!”.
You get to point at ‘them’ once you’ve dealt with your own house first.
The “cop out” is deflecting from our own responsibilities, actions and consequences. This isn’t debatable or negotiable. You wouldn’t herald the courage (pragmatic or moral) of a Russian commissar in the 60’s pointing to the crimes of some far away state, like Haiti or something, no matter how true his words. You’d ask why that person wasn’t dissenting against their own state’s crimes, first.
Normally this doesn’t need to be spelled out, but I appreciate the house contrarian needs to play his part at all times.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People in the west like to criticise dictatorships, whilst being in denial of how their governments prop them up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Who here is saying that there aren’t problems at ‘home’ though?
No one is defending the UK. Most on here have the ability to both criticise the UK and China and there’s zero moral problems with doing so.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
By all means criticise both. I take issue with those who ignore the UK and US role in arming and supporting many of this dodgy regimes.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Or use it to political point score to cover for inadequacies of their own government. Which is what this thread is all about.
posted on 19/4/20
I'm on the left, and think it's abhorrent. I don't think that proves anything. Because I think most people do.
posted on 19/4/20
I generally agree with you Berba, but not this time
Case in point, if everybody points out Chinese racism it may shame them into change, they would not like to lose face.
Nothing wro with pointing out.the sins of other countries, so long as it does not deflect you from trying to put right sins in your own
posted on 19/4/20
The OP is full of shyyte.
What rock have you been living under, Mr Mankini?
The past few weeks have been nothing but uproar against the reactionary racist policies of the Guangdong Provincial authority.
JA606 continues to plumb ever deeper depths as it gradually turns into yet another *Chan site with teenage-level partisan political commentary such as this.
posted on 19/4/20
* Mancini.
posted on 19/4/20
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 3 minutes ago
* Mancini.
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The other name was better
posted on 19/4/20
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
I generally agree with you Berba, but not this time
Case in point, if everybody points out Chinese racism it may shame them into change, they would not like to lose face.
Nothing wro with pointing out.the sins of other countries, so long as it does not deflect you from trying to put right sins in your own
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What you’re describing is mass coordinated pressure to try and stop something. I’m on board with that completely. It requires *action* - on a major scale. Action is often inconvenient, which just proves my point further. Remember it was Mancini who suggested that “the left” (whatever he means by that) only engage in issues if it’s convenient to them. He doesn’t do irony, apparently.
My entire point was that Mancini’s sitting on his back side writing posts on a football forum about something about something happening on the other side of the world in order to make himself feel better couldn’t be more convenient. It requires no action and is purely self serving.
On the other hand, those who engage in dissent against the (very many) crimes (almost exclusively conducted abroad) by our own government(s) are in the greatly less convenient position. It also has a moral and pragmatic value that sitting behind a computer and simply saying “oh that thing is bad over there” just doesn’t have.
I stress agin that what you’re describing - some level of coordinated action - is quite distinct what Mancini is doing.
posted on 20/4/20
The past few weeks have been nothing but uproar against the reactionary racist policies of the Guangdong Provincial authority.(lol,any links)
,
Dont have a breakdown just because Mancini is offering the most basic push back on the general narrative
posted on 20/4/20
Share the fking article then or am I going to have to leave your article to go and find the actual article?
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