What premier league clubs are in danger of folding if the season isn’t finished, kneerash?
It’s a risk for lower league teams, for sure, though not as big a risk as completely comprising next season, but I don’t think there are any premier league clubs that will fold.
To be fair one of my mates does the same and also says "are" instead of "I'll". It is a bit annoying I must say
I remember seeing something about Burnley being in danger of potentially going bust.
Joe just for you, we'll be champions should the season be cancelled
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comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
Naby8 aside, multiple Liverpool fans spouting the same crap as usual.
Desperate losers. We get it, you're scared Hendo won't get to lift the trophy. Try and look a little more insecure and desperate. Please.
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Fuсk off you poisonous, woman hating little twаt. You really are a fuсking waste of air.
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I have no issue whatsoever with Liverpool fans wanting the season to end. I can understand that.
However, every discussion on this topic is full of Liverpool fans who can't even allow for a second the idea that the season may end to be considered. The second someone suggests it, multiple Liverpool fans must argue with that person until they just stop caring. It's so desperate.
Pranks
The Burnley chairman didn’t say they’d go bust it the season wasn’t completed, I don’t think. They said if the season wasn’t completed and a clear start date for next wasn’t set they’d run out of money by August.
But this didn’t take into account wage deferrals and furlough schemes. They’re also a club with millions in assets that, while they’d suffer, would be able to avoid going bust.
We need to separate the question of whether to conclude the season from that of keeping clubs alive.
The issue of when football restarts needs to be decided based on public health considerations foremost, and in practical timetabling terms for sporting and commercial reasons only as a secondary consideration. If the season can't be safely concluded within a reasonable time period, that's tough luck.
If that means clubs are at risk of going bust, then they are in the same category as a huge swathe of the economy, and like other businesses should be able to apply for government support to protect the jobs they sustain.
By the way, I hope that football clubs and any other businesses will be required to cap dividends and bonuses to owners in the case that they receive such government support and end up making profits. The parent company of the business I work for is furloughing like mad, and there's an implication that part of this brutal cost saving is happening with an eye on protecting dividend payments at the end of the year, not just survival.
The premier league also has £1.5bn in cash reserves, and has an obligation to protect its members.
What an utterly moronic post.
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Not really.
Whether football restarts to a conclusion sooner or later, is solely a matter that is to be decided for health and safety reasons only. It is NOT about Liverpool FC in their quest in concluding their long journey to finally secure a PL title which at the moment looks that it could be 'cruelly' denied to them by a Covid 19 pandemic on the last straight. (The Covid 19 pandemic is acting in much crueler ways to many people than this). There are also many other clubs who could also 'loose out' if the season was cancelled based on their current league positions (my club included) but we only ever seem to hear about Liverpool's potential loss and not necessarily any of the other clubs set to miss out on a 'good thing'.
Also, what are the chances of any organised team sport, even in empty stadiums, resuming anytime soon with respect to social distancing guidelines?
I would say practically nil. So just make a decision to cancel it all now and drop this debate of what ifs and whens... and football can start again when this is all over and safe. Whenever that will be.
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 12 minutes ago
What an utterly moronic post.
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Not really.
Whether football restarts to a conclusion sooner or later, is solely a matter that is to be decided for health and safety reasons only. It is NOT about Liverpool FC in their quest in concluding their long journey to finally secure a PL title which at the moment looks that it could be 'cruelly' denied to them by a Covid 19 pandemic on the last straight. (The Covid 19 pandemic is acting in much crueler ways to many people than this). There are also many other clubs who could also 'loose out' if the season was cancelled based on their current league positions (my club included) but we only ever seem to hear about Liverpool's potential loss and not necessarily any of the other clubs set to miss out on a 'good thing'.
Also, what are the chances of any organised team sport, even in empty stadiums, resuming anytime soon with respect to social distancing guidelines?
I would say practically nil. So just make a decision to cancel it all now and drop this debate of what ifs and whens... and football can start again when this is all over and safe. Whenever that will be.
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Do you think your post was called moronic because:
(a) the very reasonable opinion on when the season might (or might not) start again as articulated above.
Or
(b) trotting our the old victim clique again (“ There will be other club(s) might think they are victims, if the season was voided. But, let's face it, they always do.&rdquo
If you’re struggling with the answer then I’m happy to give you a hint?
I just dont know anymore.
Im not concerned about Liverpool not winning the league although I would feel gutted for the actual players.
It's a bit of a moot point though imo. They will finish the league and that's that really. The absolute sh!tshow that would affect teams like Leeds and Norwich, European competition and so on is just not worth not doing so.
We have what? Ten games. It's 20th April and no summer tournament. Tnh I dont think it's even going to be that hard. Could have it cleared up in 5 weeks.
And domestic and european cup competitions, then there’s the play offs. The time frame and logistics is a massive barrier when we don’t know when it’ll be safe to resume.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
What premier league clubs are in danger of folding if the season isn’t finished, kneerash?
It’s a risk for lower league teams, for sure, though not as big a risk as completely comprising next season, but I don’t think there are any premier league clubs that will fold.
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I got that from a few podcasts I listened to over the weekend, no specific clubs were stated but that many PL clubs are reliant on the regular TV revenue to stay aflot, as in they budget with that revenue in mind.
I know the Burnley chairman has spoken recently on the damage corona has and is doing to the club and that a prolonged absense of football would inevitably lead to them running out of money.
The championship clubs are not as reliant on TV revenue as they don't make nearly as much from it as a PL club do. But the EFL have said they will finish the seasons so I'd expect the pl to do the same.
It really is the cleaner way to do this. I'm not saying this as a Liverpool fan, liverpool are the easiest one to resolve really, it's european and relegation spots that are far more Complex.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 12 seconds ago
And domestic and european cup competitions, then there’s the play offs. The time frame and logistics is a massive barrier when we don’t know when it’ll be safe to resume.
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Yeah fair comment Darren.
The easiest choice, from what I can see, is just delay everything. If we do that the only ramification, logistically, is time.
Any other decision means having to change literally everything involved.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Pranks
The Burnley chairman didn’t say they’d go bust it the season wasn’t completed, I don’t think. They said if the season wasn’t completed and a clear start date for next wasn’t set they’d run out of money by August.
But this didn’t take into account wage deferrals and furlough schemes. They’re also a club with millions in assets that, while they’d suffer, would be able to avoid going bust.
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But what are Burnley and many other clubs assets? This is what I've found interesting in all this how big clubs you'd expect to have cash reserves simply don't.
To stay aflot using their assets you're talking players, stadium, training grounds etc. Will clubs have to cash in on these assets to stay aflot with little revenue coming in?
I'd imagine the top clubs still have a decent revenue stream with merchandise, retail partnerships etc. But how much money does a club like Burnley make in merchandise etc?
This has really demonstrated that the PL is a fse economy based on projected revenue from TV companies and game day revenue, remove these and clubs are quickly in a serious situation.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 46 minutes ago
The premier league also has £1.5bn in cash reserves, and has an obligation to protect its members.
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That's interesting wasn't aware of that, so a potential safety net in this case.
If you’re struggling with the answer then I’m happy to give you a hint?
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Then stop bleating.
To the Ops question the longer this goes on the less I miss football. Been listening to the usual podcasts etc. But really more to fill the time while working at home, they're running out of good content at this stage!
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 18 seconds ago
If you’re struggling with the answer then I’m happy to give you a hint?
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Then stop bleating.
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It wasn’t me that made the original comment and, if you care to read the thread, you’ll see I have no problem with cancelling the season if that’s deemed the best solution.
Your observation skills are obviously on par with your reasoning.
I did address the Burnley comment. And the premier league has £1.5bn in cash reserves, they won’t let tjem go to the wall because the coronavirus is delaying their ability to get cashflow. I’m confident there won’t be any premier league clubs folding due to coronavirus for these reasons.
The lower league clubs rely on all forms of revenue to keep afloat, it doesn’t matter that their reliance on tv money isn’t as high when they lack the overall financial security of the premier league clubs.
I do think the season will get finished, but only once it’s safe to do so. If premier league clubs are struggling financially because of a delay then that’s just unfortunate.
Robbing, the problem is that as we don’t know when it’s safe to resume we can’t really judge the negative impact of the delays.
There can reach a point by which the financial implications of completing this season is far more damaging than scrapping it and starting another - but that will create a shiiiiiiit show as well.
I wouldn’t like to be in the government, or football authorities, shoes in this situation.
So just make a decision to cancel it all now and drop this debate of what ifs and whens... and football can start again when this is all over and safe. Whenever that will be.
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Errr that seems a bit remiss. The burden of debate weighs so heavy or something? I dont get it.
If it's that simple just delay it all full stop.
You’d need at least a month to get these players back in shape to restart the season and probably two months to finish it as playing two games a season after so long out non stop is dangerous to the players - injury wise.
So we’d need around 3 months from the go ahead to restart the season. Then after it was finished we’d probably need at least another couple of weeks for play offs then another month for another pre season, fixtures to be compiled, a transfer window, players to be bedded in, pre season games etc.
We may not see ‘next season’ until next year if we insist on finishing this one
Robbing, the problem is that as we don’t know when it’s safe to resume we can’t really judge the negative impact of the delays.
There can reach a point by which the financial implications of completing this season is far more damaging than scrapping it and starting another - but that will create a shiiiiiiit show as well.
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I honestly don't know as I dont know ehat that point would be. For example I cannot see Leeds, just as an example, thinking about legal action of non-promotion, being something that will just go away.
If all football is simply stopped, and then restarted when allowed, I don't really see how there can be any complaints.
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
You’d need at least a month to get these players back in shape to restart the season and probably two months to finish it as playing two games a season after so long out non stop is dangerous to the players - injury wise.
So we’d need around 3 months from the go ahead to restart the season. Then after it was finished we’d probably need at least another couple of weeks for play offs then another month for another pre season, fixtures to be compiled, a transfer window, players to be bedded in, pre season games etc.
We may not see ‘next season’ until next year if we insist on finishing this one
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Robb that's nonsense mate. Two games a week is nothing.
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posted on 20/4/20
What premier league clubs are in danger of folding if the season isn’t finished, kneerash?
It’s a risk for lower league teams, for sure, though not as big a risk as completely comprising next season, but I don’t think there are any premier league clubs that will fold.
posted on 20/4/20
To be fair one of my mates does the same and also says "are" instead of "I'll". It is a bit annoying I must say
posted on 20/4/20
Yeah it really does.
posted on 20/4/20
I remember seeing something about Burnley being in danger of potentially going bust.
posted on 20/4/20
Joe just for you, we'll be champions should the season be cancelled
posted on 20/4/20
comment by ♫♪ Gini Mini Mane Mo, Keita, Milner, Firmino ♪♫ (U19365)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 2 hours, 10 minutes ago
Naby8 aside, multiple Liverpool fans spouting the same crap as usual.
Desperate losers. We get it, you're scared Hendo won't get to lift the trophy. Try and look a little more insecure and desperate. Please.
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Fuсk off you poisonous, woman hating little twаt. You really are a fuсking waste of air.
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I have no issue whatsoever with Liverpool fans wanting the season to end. I can understand that.
However, every discussion on this topic is full of Liverpool fans who can't even allow for a second the idea that the season may end to be considered. The second someone suggests it, multiple Liverpool fans must argue with that person until they just stop caring. It's so desperate.
posted on 20/4/20
Pranks
The Burnley chairman didn’t say they’d go bust it the season wasn’t completed, I don’t think. They said if the season wasn’t completed and a clear start date for next wasn’t set they’d run out of money by August.
But this didn’t take into account wage deferrals and furlough schemes. They’re also a club with millions in assets that, while they’d suffer, would be able to avoid going bust.
posted on 20/4/20
We need to separate the question of whether to conclude the season from that of keeping clubs alive.
The issue of when football restarts needs to be decided based on public health considerations foremost, and in practical timetabling terms for sporting and commercial reasons only as a secondary consideration. If the season can't be safely concluded within a reasonable time period, that's tough luck.
If that means clubs are at risk of going bust, then they are in the same category as a huge swathe of the economy, and like other businesses should be able to apply for government support to protect the jobs they sustain.
By the way, I hope that football clubs and any other businesses will be required to cap dividends and bonuses to owners in the case that they receive such government support and end up making profits. The parent company of the business I work for is furloughing like mad, and there's an implication that part of this brutal cost saving is happening with an eye on protecting dividend payments at the end of the year, not just survival.
posted on 20/4/20
The premier league also has £1.5bn in cash reserves, and has an obligation to protect its members.
posted on 20/4/20
What an utterly moronic post.
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Not really.
Whether football restarts to a conclusion sooner or later, is solely a matter that is to be decided for health and safety reasons only. It is NOT about Liverpool FC in their quest in concluding their long journey to finally secure a PL title which at the moment looks that it could be 'cruelly' denied to them by a Covid 19 pandemic on the last straight. (The Covid 19 pandemic is acting in much crueler ways to many people than this). There are also many other clubs who could also 'loose out' if the season was cancelled based on their current league positions (my club included) but we only ever seem to hear about Liverpool's potential loss and not necessarily any of the other clubs set to miss out on a 'good thing'.
Also, what are the chances of any organised team sport, even in empty stadiums, resuming anytime soon with respect to social distancing guidelines?
I would say practically nil. So just make a decision to cancel it all now and drop this debate of what ifs and whens... and football can start again when this is all over and safe. Whenever that will be.
posted on 20/4/20
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 12 minutes ago
What an utterly moronic post.
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Not really.
Whether football restarts to a conclusion sooner or later, is solely a matter that is to be decided for health and safety reasons only. It is NOT about Liverpool FC in their quest in concluding their long journey to finally secure a PL title which at the moment looks that it could be 'cruelly' denied to them by a Covid 19 pandemic on the last straight. (The Covid 19 pandemic is acting in much crueler ways to many people than this). There are also many other clubs who could also 'loose out' if the season was cancelled based on their current league positions (my club included) but we only ever seem to hear about Liverpool's potential loss and not necessarily any of the other clubs set to miss out on a 'good thing'.
Also, what are the chances of any organised team sport, even in empty stadiums, resuming anytime soon with respect to social distancing guidelines?
I would say practically nil. So just make a decision to cancel it all now and drop this debate of what ifs and whens... and football can start again when this is all over and safe. Whenever that will be.
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Do you think your post was called moronic because:
(a) the very reasonable opinion on when the season might (or might not) start again as articulated above.
Or
(b) trotting our the old victim clique again (“ There will be other club(s) might think they are victims, if the season was voided. But, let's face it, they always do.&rdquo
If you’re struggling with the answer then I’m happy to give you a hint?
posted on 20/4/20
I just dont know anymore.
Im not concerned about Liverpool not winning the league although I would feel gutted for the actual players.
It's a bit of a moot point though imo. They will finish the league and that's that really. The absolute sh!tshow that would affect teams like Leeds and Norwich, European competition and so on is just not worth not doing so.
We have what? Ten games. It's 20th April and no summer tournament. Tnh I dont think it's even going to be that hard. Could have it cleared up in 5 weeks.
posted on 20/4/20
And domestic and european cup competitions, then there’s the play offs. The time frame and logistics is a massive barrier when we don’t know when it’ll be safe to resume.
posted on 20/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 26 minutes ago
What premier league clubs are in danger of folding if the season isn’t finished, kneerash?
It’s a risk for lower league teams, for sure, though not as big a risk as completely comprising next season, but I don’t think there are any premier league clubs that will fold.
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I got that from a few podcasts I listened to over the weekend, no specific clubs were stated but that many PL clubs are reliant on the regular TV revenue to stay aflot, as in they budget with that revenue in mind.
I know the Burnley chairman has spoken recently on the damage corona has and is doing to the club and that a prolonged absense of football would inevitably lead to them running out of money.
The championship clubs are not as reliant on TV revenue as they don't make nearly as much from it as a PL club do. But the EFL have said they will finish the seasons so I'd expect the pl to do the same.
It really is the cleaner way to do this. I'm not saying this as a Liverpool fan, liverpool are the easiest one to resolve really, it's european and relegation spots that are far more Complex.
posted on 20/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 12 seconds ago
And domestic and european cup competitions, then there’s the play offs. The time frame and logistics is a massive barrier when we don’t know when it’ll be safe to resume.
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Yeah fair comment Darren.
The easiest choice, from what I can see, is just delay everything. If we do that the only ramification, logistically, is time.
Any other decision means having to change literally everything involved.
posted on 20/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
Pranks
The Burnley chairman didn’t say they’d go bust it the season wasn’t completed, I don’t think. They said if the season wasn’t completed and a clear start date for next wasn’t set they’d run out of money by August.
But this didn’t take into account wage deferrals and furlough schemes. They’re also a club with millions in assets that, while they’d suffer, would be able to avoid going bust.
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But what are Burnley and many other clubs assets? This is what I've found interesting in all this how big clubs you'd expect to have cash reserves simply don't.
To stay aflot using their assets you're talking players, stadium, training grounds etc. Will clubs have to cash in on these assets to stay aflot with little revenue coming in?
I'd imagine the top clubs still have a decent revenue stream with merchandise, retail partnerships etc. But how much money does a club like Burnley make in merchandise etc?
This has really demonstrated that the PL is a fse economy based on projected revenue from TV companies and game day revenue, remove these and clubs are quickly in a serious situation.
posted on 20/4/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 46 minutes ago
The premier league also has £1.5bn in cash reserves, and has an obligation to protect its members.
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That's interesting wasn't aware of that, so a potential safety net in this case.
posted on 20/4/20
If you’re struggling with the answer then I’m happy to give you a hint?
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Then stop bleating.
posted on 20/4/20
To the Ops question the longer this goes on the less I miss football. Been listening to the usual podcasts etc. But really more to fill the time while working at home, they're running out of good content at this stage!
posted on 20/4/20
comment by RB&W "PPE for NHS heroes" (U21434)
posted 18 seconds ago
If you’re struggling with the answer then I’m happy to give you a hint?
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Then stop bleating.
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It wasn’t me that made the original comment and, if you care to read the thread, you’ll see I have no problem with cancelling the season if that’s deemed the best solution.
Your observation skills are obviously on par with your reasoning.
posted on 20/4/20
I did address the Burnley comment. And the premier league has £1.5bn in cash reserves, they won’t let tjem go to the wall because the coronavirus is delaying their ability to get cashflow. I’m confident there won’t be any premier league clubs folding due to coronavirus for these reasons.
The lower league clubs rely on all forms of revenue to keep afloat, it doesn’t matter that their reliance on tv money isn’t as high when they lack the overall financial security of the premier league clubs.
I do think the season will get finished, but only once it’s safe to do so. If premier league clubs are struggling financially because of a delay then that’s just unfortunate.
Robbing, the problem is that as we don’t know when it’s safe to resume we can’t really judge the negative impact of the delays.
There can reach a point by which the financial implications of completing this season is far more damaging than scrapping it and starting another - but that will create a shiiiiiiit show as well.
I wouldn’t like to be in the government, or football authorities, shoes in this situation.
posted on 20/4/20
So just make a decision to cancel it all now and drop this debate of what ifs and whens... and football can start again when this is all over and safe. Whenever that will be.
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Errr that seems a bit remiss. The burden of debate weighs so heavy or something? I dont get it.
If it's that simple just delay it all full stop.
posted on 20/4/20
You’d need at least a month to get these players back in shape to restart the season and probably two months to finish it as playing two games a season after so long out non stop is dangerous to the players - injury wise.
So we’d need around 3 months from the go ahead to restart the season. Then after it was finished we’d probably need at least another couple of weeks for play offs then another month for another pre season, fixtures to be compiled, a transfer window, players to be bedded in, pre season games etc.
We may not see ‘next season’ until next year if we insist on finishing this one
posted on 20/4/20
Robbing, the problem is that as we don’t know when it’s safe to resume we can’t really judge the negative impact of the delays.
There can reach a point by which the financial implications of completing this season is far more damaging than scrapping it and starting another - but that will create a shiiiiiiit show as well.
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I honestly don't know as I dont know ehat that point would be. For example I cannot see Leeds, just as an example, thinking about legal action of non-promotion, being something that will just go away.
If all football is simply stopped, and then restarted when allowed, I don't really see how there can be any complaints.
posted on 20/4/20
comment by Robb, the fifth husband of Joe Exotic (U22311)
posted 1 minute ago
You’d need at least a month to get these players back in shape to restart the season and probably two months to finish it as playing two games a season after so long out non stop is dangerous to the players - injury wise.
So we’d need around 3 months from the go ahead to restart the season. Then after it was finished we’d probably need at least another couple of weeks for play offs then another month for another pre season, fixtures to be compiled, a transfer window, players to be bedded in, pre season games etc.
We may not see ‘next season’ until next year if we insist on finishing this one
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Robb that's nonsense mate. Two games a week is nothing.
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