comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
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comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 33 seconds ago
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
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sauce?
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Common sense, intelligence, brains.

Amazed anyone would think clubs will be relegated in this situation to be honest.
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What do you think will/should happen to solve the relegation/promotion conundrum? Assuming the season cannot be completed.
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I honestly am not sure. I personally think they will eventually finish the season. But the promotion is the big issue really, they could let the two automatic spots go up in each division i guess, only the prem would gain teams, the others would lose two gain two. Though don't the lower divisions have three automatic spots or has that changed?

But to relegate anyone based on two thirds of a season would be outrageous. Rewarding teams is one thing, punishing teams is something totally different.
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Makes sense. However, its already happened in Scotland and Belgium. I Think a temporary expansion of the top league may be the only way.

A 22 team league and Liverpool champions.. it’s like the premier league era never happened.. Mancs can fack off.

comment by Redinthehead - FreeGaza - فلسطين (U1860)
posted 1 minute ago
A 22 team league and Liverpool champions.. it’s like the premier league era never happened.. Mancs can fack off.
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Maybe we should keep it that way?

comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 57 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Bales (U22081)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 33 seconds ago
like i said, zero chance clubs will be relegated based on two thirds of a season.
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sauce?
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Common sense, intelligence, brains.

Amazed anyone would think clubs will be relegated in this situation to be honest.
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What do you think will/should happen to solve the relegation/promotion conundrum? Assuming the season cannot be completed.
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I honestly am not sure. I personally think they will eventually finish the season. But the promotion is the big issue really, they could let the two automatic spots go up in each division i guess, only the prem would gain teams, the others would lose two gain two. Though don't the lower divisions have three automatic spots or has that changed?

But to relegate anyone based on two thirds of a season would be outrageous. Rewarding teams is one thing, punishing teams is something totally different.
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Makes sense. However, its already happened in Scotland and Belgium. I Think a temporary expansion of the top league may be the only way.
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Neither the Dutch or Belgians have decided how the titles and promotions/relegations will be handled yet.

Seems like we'll find out more from Holland at least tomorrow.

Oh it's just Scotland then? They relegated a team that had a game in hand too, didn't they?

Not sure what happened in Scotland tbh. Gerrard seemed to be mighty pizzed off about it though

Whatever Holland decide should set the benchmark

UEFA have said nothing other than if the various leagues cannot determine the season properly, they should decide the fate of teams on the basis of Sporting Merit, and this is only in relation to how the European quali. places are decided.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 33 minutes ago
UEFA have said nothing other than if the various leagues cannot determine the season properly, they should decide the fate of teams on the basis of Sporting Merit, and this is only in relation to how the European quali. places are decided.
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Agreed but if a league chooses to decide the fate of teams going into Europe on Sporting merit can they then use another system to decide the rest of the league?

I assume that once merit is used to decide top 4, then it must also be used to decide the whole league. You can't have merit for top four and then something else for the rest of the league, can you?

It will be one or the other for everyone, never a mixture of solutions IMO. Remains to be seen what they'll decide to do.

its not that unfair imo, if they do end it by adding points per game on for remaining fixtures. I know its a lot different and great escapes happen by a teams upturn in form and one aboves downturn etc but if its not possible to play then this is fairer. So far in the season you'd have to accept teams above you have been better so under the circumstances however sheite they may be its fair.

If it gets to the point where its ended like this you have to be objective about being fair under these circumstances, you cant compare them to other seasons because well this is unlike all the others. Under these circumstances there fairest way if the season was to be deemed unfinishable then ended it as it stands and adding point averages per game to each teams remaining amount of fixtures is as fair as you can get.

Teams have played certain teams or the harder fixtures etc, but thats luck of the draw decided randomly by a machine months before the season began so its fair in that sense everyone was in the same boat atleast.

Dont understand people who think its unfair and would rather it voided. Kinda hypocrites because voiding it is a lot worse due to it being even more unfair on all the teams who have done well so far this season...

Atleast the other scenario the teams going to be most upset have had bad seasons up to this point over 2/3rds into the season, voiding it punishes teams who've had good seasons. makes no sense does it?

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 minutes ago
Teams have played certain teams or the harder fixtures etc, but thats luck of the draw decided randomly by a machine months before the season began so its fair in that sense everyone was in the same boat atleast.
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If you are trying to justify an average points per game approach, in response to the criticism that this does not reflect the difficulties of matches played/to come 'Luck of the Draw' does not represent fairness in any way.

A teams av. Pts so far will reflect the difficulty of games played to date.

On the basis of av. pts per game Villa would escpae the drop but they have Chelsea Man Utd Liverpool Wolves as their next 4 games, plus Arsenal to come also

He didn't say it was fair. He said it was the most fair.

If it isn't then what do you suggest should happen?

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 11 minutes ago
Dont understand people who think its unfair and would rather it voided. Kinda hypocrites because voiding it is a lot worse due to it being even more unfair on all the teams who have done well so far this season...

Atleast the other scenario the teams going to be most upset have had bad seasons up to this point over 2/3rds into the season, voiding it punishes teams who've had good seasons. makes no sense does it?
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Unless the season can be played out then every option has a degree of unfairness to it.

SO it is not hypocrisy, it is an opinion on which is the least and most fair.

Sure, voiding is not fair on LFC who are obvious winners, but cnacelling it would on the basis of existing positions would be even less fair on the relegated teams as the impact of relegation is so severe. Its not just the bottom three who have had poor seasons so far, places 16, 17 & 18 are all on equal points and some of the games coming up are 6 points.

The impact of not playing out the season is greatest on those who may go down, so the solution IMO has to consider the fairest solution to this as the starting point.

So what solution would you propose is fairer than what Inb4 said?

As i said under the circumstances its the fairest you can get. It is hypocrisy because theyre saying they dont want one thing for so and so reasons then their preferred options has exactly the same issues but worse and i explained why its worse.

Given the choice, you'd rather save clubs having bad seasons than the ones who deserve the good ones theyre having over 2/3rds in? makes absolutely no sense.

Voiding it because its unfair on teams having bad seasons who could possibly escape with survival or something, whilst blindly ignoring the consequences this has on the teams having good seasons if its voided.

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 4 minutes ago
As i said under the circumstances its the fairest you can get. It is hypocrisy because theyre saying they dont want one thing for so and so reasons then their preferred options has exactly the same issues but worseand i explained why its worse.

Given the choice, you'd rather save clubs having bad seasons than the ones who deserve the good ones theyre having over 2/3rds in? makes absolutely no sense.

Voiding it because its unfair on teams having bad seasons who could possibly escape with survival or something, whilst blindly ignoring the consequences this has on the teams having good seasons if its voided.
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Exactly. Its not even rocket sconce.

Makes no sense, and when Karren Brady is the biggest advocat of voiding the season, i think this speaks volumes...

advocate*

Brady has shut up since.

Like a lot of people on this site, mostly Spurs fans, they jumped on the bandwagon as the initial narrative was that voiding the season would mean reverting to last season which would make West Ham safe and Spurs back in the CL while denying Liverpool a title.

Since voiding the season is now off the table and there is no chance of reverting to last season, opinions have had to adjust and become less enthusiastic.

comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 6 minutes ago
So what solution would you propose is fairer than what Inb4 said?
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I think to answer this you have to look at how you prioritise the impact of the various outcomes.

The key matters to be determined are:

1. who is champions
2. who gets top 4 UCL place
3. who gets Europa places
4. who gets relegated

I would say that in reaching the fairest solution, the priorities are in the following order 4. 2. 3. 1.

4 is by far the most important issue as it has such massive financial impacts on clubs. They are all mathematically capable of escape.

Leicester provides a perfect example. After 29 games in 2015 they were bottom 7 points from safety. They stayed up and won the league the next season. The latter was freakish but stories of escaping relegation are commonplace.

I think whatever solution is reached has to compromise these teams the least and be fairest on them, even if it is at the cost of fiarness on others (1, 2 & 3). For this reason cancelling and av. pts is not fair enough to them.

To me, if the season cannot be completed then voiding is the fairest means and have the least financial impact on the clubs affected.

Failing that a weighted mini league between the clubs affected in the key positions - so effectively a round robin or playoff system between say the bottom 6 and places 3 - 9.

In all cases LFC should be declared winners even if this is very slightly tainted, no one would disagree with this conclusion.

I think whatever solution is reached has to compromise these teams the least and be fairest on them, even if it is at the cost of fiarness on others (1, 2 & 3). For this reason cancelling and av. pts is not fair enough to them.
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Couldnt disagree more, they arent called great escapes for nothing either ffs. Up until this point they've been performing the worst over 2/3rds into a season... yes theres a few factors that have contributed to this that come down to luck of the draw decided by a machine before the seasons begun for example, but everyone was in the same boat then and its as fair as its going to get.

Also when looking at relegated places theres 3 teams in the champs that deserve to come up and take their places too, its not like theyre just getting dumped out for nothing, its to make room as it always has been.

Again you fail to recognise or mention what voiding the entire season results it, as if it wipes the slate clean? nobody suffers? how is it fairest financially? you deny leeds and the championship teams that will get promoted all these financial benefits you are trying to keep the 3 prem clubs in relegation positions from losing

The way it goes and always has done, is the 3 relegated go down they get nice parachute payments now to help them financially transition too, and 3 from the championship come up to reap the rewards financially...

comment by Doggie Dog© (U22357)
posted 8 minutes ago
Brady has shut up since.

Like a lot of people on this site, mostly Spurs fans, they jumped on the bandwagon as the initial narrative was that voiding the season would mean reverting to last season which would make West Ham safe and Spurs back in the CL while denying Liverpool a title.

Since voiding the season is now off the table and there is no chance of reverting to last season, opinions have had to adjust and become less enthusiastic.
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This is a broad brush opinion

I am sure if City had had a stellar season and were either ahead on GD or 1 point behind with a game in hand, LFC fans would not be advocating cancelling or av. pts, even more so it LFC had the easier run in.

It is disingenuous to think that Spurs fans alone may view this from a position of maximum gain. In essence, most fans thinking will be influenced by the position of their club. I havent seena ny LFC fans advocating that holding the positions or the av. pts is too unjust on the relegated teams because this would undermine their potential coronation.

I have no interest in LFCs coronation. They are deserved winners, miles ahead of everyone. Whether crowned or not, makes no difference to me.

I actually view this in the bigger picture and that extends beyond the EPL. IMO how this plays out should be determined by those most affected by it, an impact that threatens their very existence not just the vanity of being crowned winners.