comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 1 minute ago
there were stories Italy and Spain that care homes were being abandoned

I hope to god that wasn't the case
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It happened in Montreal

https://nationalpost.com/news/local-news/covid-19-premier-legault-confirms-31-dead-at-dorval-care-residence/wcm/c1e35de6-ef59-4aa5-9a5a-5c4381ec0780


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Also happened in Spain not long after it started to kick off, every staff member done a runner and almost all residents died.

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 1 minute ago
my mum gets a decent wage to be fair SPR, as a senior.

3 days on a week, and its in 3 shift patters so the way it works out she gets a week off every month.


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yeah those with perm roles in fixed locations are ok, The amount of in home care though that is contracted out to private companies by local authorities is shocking.

the terms and conditions these people work to are abhorrent while these companies rake it in

JFK

comment by super phoenix rangers - I drank a lava lamp (U14864)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 15 seconds ago
my mum is a senior on the nightshift, and with care home staff i'm sorry to say that work ethic is hit and miss.

they are either there to help, and feel like it's their duty to care, or they are there to do the bare minimum to pick up a wage.

my mum is a grafter, she goes well beyond the call of duty because she cares about her residents, so she is in there most days right now because others are calling in sick.
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one thing i hope this crisis resolves is the disgrace that is social care staff pay but more importantly terms and conditions.

Lots of zero hour contract stuff out there, only getting paid while in homes but not travelling between (often very long distances) and ridiculous hours and shifts.

Wont hold my breath though
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See; we have this argument every time that some disaster happens, be it rise in knife crime (pay the police more and have more of them), a health scare (pay nurses more and have more of them), educational standards (pay the teachers more and have more of them) etc etc.

I'm not in disagreement at all.

But the fact is we have a certain GDP of which we spend some 10% on health. Decisions over life and death are made every day and from what I read is that anything in terms of care under £20k has tacit approval; £20-30k is discussed and many contributing factors then come into play; over £30k forget it.

Taken into perspective that places a value on a human life of around £2.4m.

That's the broad brushstroke of course.

So unless we increase our GDP percentage then that will always be the case as harsh as that may sound. And if we increase it, what other aspect of spend lessens? Crime, teaching, homelessness etc etc?

And if we want to increase it then that must necessitate higher income to spend through various forms of taxation; again with which I'm more than happy.

From that you get back to the "let them pay" mentality and let's not get back into that.

So now here we are with the economy going down the pan; people being made redundant by the millions and businesses closing down for good which simply means less GDP and higher state benefits.

So how do we deal with the next crisis with a mess of an economy and huge borrowings and vastly reduced income through taxes alongside vastly increased benefit payments?

What will suffer then?

I have a theory as to how we can make more money for health services, well two theories.

see the magic way they found money for the DUP - do that again - plenty of free cash there.

or we could go after those using offshore tax havens and big companies that avoid paying tax.

that might get us a few quid.

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 26 seconds ago
I have a theory as to how we can make more money for health services, well two theories.

see the magic way they found money for the DUP - do that again - plenty of free cash there.

or we could go after those using offshore tax havens and big companies that avoid paying tax.

that might get us a few quid.
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£2bn won't scratch the surface and best of luck with getting full international agreement and zero self interest along with sanctions.

And that's before every country has to pass these new laws.

So essentially impossible and completely implausible.

We have to raise the taxation ourselves.

Two of my kids need special medication and recently we were told the Hospital and Pharmacies were having trouble sourcing them. So when i hear about people being bored and frustrated with the lockdown it really fooks me off. I’m bored too, but i also have the worry that my kids could develop difficulties due to the current situation. Could we not just do this once and do it right.

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 16 seconds ago
Two of my kids need special medication and recently we were told the Hospital and Pharmacies were having trouble sourcing them. So when i hear about people being bored and frustrated with the lockdown it really fooks me off. I’m bored too, but i also have the worry that my kids could develop difficulties due to the current situation. Could we not just do this once and do it right.
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Sorry to hear that Dal but is the issue more to do with staff not being available, priorities elsewhere or anything else.

We won't do it right for the simple reason we've never had this before so mistakes will be made.

I just hope we learn and quickly

My boy dean and his wife work in a care home. It was only earlier this week they were given pep.
Rebecca was telling me they had 7 people tested just recently, and of now 3 results have been positive.
She said the 3 have been coughing around her before testing and our dean was told not to come in on Tuesday as he had a heavy cough.
Dean is on a weeks isolation at home, he thinks it just a bad cold as his sore throat has lifted so heres hoping. Rebecca is still going in, not sure if she meant to with dean in isolation, dont think where they work have a scooby.
I understand if and his concern for his mum

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 1 minute ago
Two of my kids need special medication and recently we were told the Hospital and Pharmacies were having trouble sourcing them. So when i hear about people being bored and frustrated with the lockdown it really fooks me off. I’m bored too, but i also have the worry that my kids could develop difficulties due to the current situation. Could we not just do this once and do it right.
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Hope I am wrong but I can see a lot of folk over here breaking the lockdown rules when no major restrictions are lifted next Tuesday

I'm not down playing the need for medication for anyone but this lack of care for mental health is unbelievable

"Just do it", that's up there with man up or you'll be fine for those struggling

That emphasises my point, at which do mental health deaths surpass the virus?

"Just do it" ffs

The more people that behave and do as they're told the sooner we can get back to some kind of normality.

Also, economies recover, dead folk cannot.

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 1 minute ago
Two of my kids need special medication and recently we were told the Hospital and Pharmacies were having trouble sourcing them. So when i hear about people being bored and frustrated with the lockdown it really fooks me off. I’m bored too, but i also have the worry that my kids could develop difficulties due to the current situation. Could we not just do this once and do it right.
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Hope I am wrong but I can see a lot of folk over here breaking the lockdown rules when no major restrictions are lifted next Tuesday
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Already started mate.

Construction and manufacturing are taking things into their own hands. Huge uplift in activity today with hundreds of sites reopening between now and the early May bank holiday.

i feel like 2 billion towards anything would probably make some difference mate unless you are trying to build a mcdonalds on the moon.

comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 26 seconds ago
I have a theory as to how we can make more money for health services, well two theories.

see the magic way they found money for the DUP - do that again - plenty of free cash there.

or we could go after those using offshore tax havens and big companies that avoid paying tax.

that might get us a few quid.
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£2bn won't scratch the surface and best of luck with getting full international agreement and zero self interest along with sanctions.

And that's before every country has to pass these new laws.

So essentially impossible and completely implausible.

We have to raise the taxation ourselves.
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If only there were some intergovernmental body that could use its influence to harmonise taxation regulations, and tackle tax avoidance….







Hope you’re well Ginger!

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 13 seconds ago
i feel like 2 billion towards anything would probably make some difference mateunless you are trying to build a mcdonalds on the moon.


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This is already costing us over £330bn of commitment and we are now asking to borrow £180bn as of yesterday.

I wouldn’t scoff at £2bn and I’m sure the NHS would welcome it.

Also, economies recover, dead folk cannot.
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I’m quite happy to follow the advice of the medical experts.

I dont understand why people aren't going to hospital, they're still open for business and people are being encouraged to go if they're sick

comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Goze... (U3126)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 26 seconds ago
I have a theory as to how we can make more money for health services, well two theories.

see the magic way they found money for the DUP - do that again - plenty of free cash there.

or we could go after those using offshore tax havens and big companies that avoid paying tax.

that might get us a few quid.
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£2bn won't scratch the surface and best of luck with getting full international agreement and zero self interest along with sanctions.

And that's before every country has to pass these new laws.

So essentially impossible and completely implausible.

We have to raise the taxation ourselves.
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If only there were some intergovernmental body that could use its influence to harmonise taxation regulations, and tackle tax avoidance….







Hope you’re well Ginger!

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I’m good mate.

The EU would be a good start I agree but we’d end of up in a bigger trade war with the US and the way it’s responded over this virus with self interest doesn’t fill me with confidence.

Hope you and yours are safe too

mental health is a tricky one, and really, it depends on the condition.

Joe, for example, says he feels better than he did before, so that's good.

agoraphobics who stay home, fine.

anxiety - could go either way depending on what makes you anxious, some people happy to stay home to avoid others, others will be worse off as they fear the virus, depends on the trigger.

kids at school being bullied will be having an easier time of it by not being in school, that said, the rise of social media means bullying is not restricted to the outdoors, you can be bullied in your home now, the one place you should feel safe.

loneliness I imagine will be a factor for older people, I've tried to call my gran more and we have a big family so I like to think everyone is pitching in.

hit and miss I imagine.

comment by Ghod#18 (U9390)
posted 20 seconds ago
I dont understand why people aren't going to hospital, they're still open for business and people are being encouraged to go if they're sick
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Dr - what are you here for

Me - I'm sick

Dr - is it Coronavirus?

Me - no I slept with my sister

If the disease was like a bullet and whoever was going to die from it died instantly then it would make sense to keep going as normal. As horrible as that is, even a 1% death rate of the whole country is probably something that could be accepted in those circumstances.

However, the disease requires a lot of medical aid. You significantly ease lockdown and the virus will surge. Then doctors and nurses become overwhelmed, they get sick, fewer people are then there to treat a larger volume of people etc etc. It's a vicious cycle.

Imo a better solution would be to extend this form of lockdown for another couple of months until mass testing is available and we take tracing seriously.

China and Korea are showing you can pretty much eradicate the virus with strict measures over s couple of months. The Germans mass testing is working very well.

This is already costing us over £330bn of commitment and we are now asking to borrow £180bn as of yesterday.
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How much did the forays in Iraq and Afghanistan cost?

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 24 seconds ago
This is already costing us over £330bn of commitment and we are now asking to borrow £180bn as of yesterday.
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How much did the forays in Iraq and Afghanistan cost?
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A tenner mate

i think the people who'll struggle a lot just now are the people who struggle the most from mental health, young men

gyms being shut, team sports banned, missing going to pubs etc