comment by Sayid Jarrah (U18355)
posted 30 minutes ago
Everyone knows that if football resumes it’s for financial gains only
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I don't understand this argument.
All business is for financial gains only. Every business is trying to get back to work so that they can make money.
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sir Kenneth Bates (U8238)
posted 20 seconds ago
Football without fans is going to be bad enough. Remove relegation and it will be very boring. Even European qualification may mean nothing if next seasons tournaments cannot take place.
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Prem clubs would love it if none could relegated.
Think it couldn't happen?
Look at US Sports, no relegation.
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it's why u.s sports suck. the leagues are all too big with nothing happening at the bottom half of the table for a good part of the season. hockey is the worst , removing draws from the game and trying to force a winner from a game that a draw was a fair result.
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 52 minutes ago
I don't even get the problem with neutral venues. Is it really that much of an advantage/disadvantage? Smacks of Brighton being worried they could go down (have you seen their remaining fixtures) so just throwing out some ridiculous argument to try to end it now. As soon as you say publicly the league has lost integrity you make it really hard for the authorities to prove otherwise.
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There won't be fans there and that is the real home advantage.
So if there are no fans there it doesn't really matter where they play, its still 11 vs 11 and who scores the most goals wins ect
Getting a bad feeling about all this too. Clearly if no relegation is agreed and no promotion then I think I'm finished with it all. What's the point, just utter greed and a closed shop mentality. If that's what being in the Premier gives you, you can stick it. I'd rather play Barnsley and Wigan then those selfish caaants.
comment by The Gaffer (U22336)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 52 minutes ago
I don't even get the problem with neutral venues. Is it really that much of an advantage/disadvantage? Smacks of Brighton being worried they could go down (have you seen their remaining fixtures) so just throwing out some ridiculous argument to try to end it now. As soon as you say publicly the league has lost integrity you make it really hard for the authorities to prove otherwise.
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There won't be fans there and that is the real home advantage.
So if there are no fans there it doesn't really matter where they play, its still 11 vs 11 and who scores the most goals wins ect
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Coventry have had a cracking "home" campaign in Birmingham's stadium. Suppose players will get more familiar with the pitch though if they play on it every other week.
end football for about 6 or 7 teams spread over 4 leagues? there has to be relegation. it would be better to relegate more teams than none. the whining buggers should have played better.
In response to the OP, it all depends on whether they manage to play out the season or not, I have my own feelings on that, but that's for other threads. if they do then there'll be teams finishing in the bottom three for sure.
Then and separate to that, will the Championship finish? if not then what system will they adopt in relation to offering teams to the Premier League in promoted places?
There's a myriad of options being promoted by one set of clubs supporters against another's depending on how that option suits their own teams agenda.
For what it's worth if they are unable to complete the season then in my opinion we should adopt PPG points per game and that would see you finally back in the Premier League at last.
comment by LeedsFanFor45Years (U6871)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's only the teams in the bottom six of the Prem that are complaining about the use of neutral venues - the only reason being they see a possibility of avoiding the threat of relegation.
I understand their stance (most clubs in similar positions would probably follow suit) but they don't see the bigger picture - if they block the ending of the season, Sky will be within their rights to withhold £746m of outstanding broadcast payments from the Premiership. This will have serious knock-on effects down the tiers, but mostly affecting the poorer clubs (including the majority of the six clubs protesting at the plans).
Effectively, those clubs are arguing about how best to fix the hose to the hydrant whilst their houses are burning down.
If they don't agree to the neutral grounds idea, I can see many clubs throughout the leagues going to the wall quickly.
One of the things the clubs are concerned about is the loss of revenue prior to a descent into the Championship, but with already obscene parachute payments being paid, those that go down would be in far better shape than teams already in the Championship who don't have such.
They might not get a choice in the matter anyhow as I read that only 14 of the teams need to back the motion to pass it.
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comment by LeedsFanFor45Years (U6871)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's only the teams in the bottom six of the Prem that are complaining about the use of neutral venues - the only reason being they see a possibility of avoiding the threat of relegation.
I understand their stance (most clubs in similar positions would probably follow suit) but they don't see the bigger picture - if they block the ending of the season, Sky will be within their rights to withhold £746m of outstanding broadcast payments from the Premiership. This will have serious knock-on effects down the tiers, but mostly affecting the poorer clubs (including the majority of the six clubs protesting at the plans).
Effectively, those clubs are arguing about how best to fix the hose to the hydrant whilst their houses are burning down.
If they don't agree to the neutral grounds idea, I can see many clubs throughout the leagues going to the wall quickly.
One of the things the clubs are concerned about is the loss of revenue prior to a descent into the Championship, but with already obscene parachute payments being paid, those that go down would be in far better shape than teams already in the Championship who don't have such.
They might not get a choice in the matter anyhow as I read that only 14 of the teams need to back the motion to pass it.
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https://www.goal.com/en-ie/amp/news/how-much-money-do-premier-league-2019-20-winners-get/19jbauady17cw1ieojo40yextz
The table in that link shows distribution of money and you can extrapolate it to teams not in the table and see what they were paid last season.
Its been reported that the tranche consisting of merit payments and International TV money for this season has not been paid to the Prem by TV companies. It is not expected that TV companies will pay this money if the season isn't completed and it is not known whether they will go further to seek rebates.
As you can see in the table the merit payments reduce by 2m as you go down the table. Bottom club gets around 20m less than the title winner. Also, if rebates have to be paid back, every club will pay back in proportion to what they were paid and bottom clubs will have the least amount to pay back. Clubs threatened by relegation have reckoned that this TV money is probably less than the cost of relegation.
There's no good logic I see to what's being suggested there, completing the games yet not having relegation.
I appreciate the massive difficulty involved if the league is suspended. Quite clearly WBA and Leeds should go up considering the way the Championship looks; quite clearly Liverpool should be champions of the Prem. The relegation spots in the Prem are horrendous to sort out, the choice surely either being not completing the season and not having them - i.e. a 22-team Premier League next season - or completing the leagues somehow and having regular promotion and relegation. The suggestion from Brighton sounds pretty desperate.
I still want the leagues completed myself, as long as it takes. And I say that despite my team occupying a Champions League spot and Vardy getting the golden boot if the league ends now.
And I still think the best thing to do is to scrap next season and replace it with a tournament of indeterminate structure and length so that it can be adjusted to what happens with the virus. Then pick up where we left off in August 2022.
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Sayid Jarrah (U18355)
posted 30 minutes ago
Everyone knows that if football resumes it’s for financial gains only
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I don't understand this argument.
All business is for financial gains only. Every business is trying to get back to work so that they can make money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really an argument when you agree with it
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Cal - according to BBC:
A major factor in the decision to require neutral venues is reducing the chance of fans congregating, and the selection of grounds will be largely based on a rating from the police and the Sports Grounds Safety Authority.
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There is no way the Premier league will expand to 22, the top 6 will go against that, too many games... No, you are F**ked 😁
It's four more games.
Just ditch the league cup.
Wetherbyterrier - You may well be correct. The bottom 6 will do everything possible to prevent relegation. Clubs in the Champions League places will be happy with the status quo.
As ever, self interest and greed drive football. Concepts of a "football family" and fairness are luxuries that most club owners aren't interested in.
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It's four more games.
Just ditch the league cup.
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Meet the Leeds hater in chief.
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Wut?
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Nope. Wtf are you talking about?
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comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 2 seconds ago
I don't even get the problem with neutral venues. Is it really that much of an advantage/disadvantage? Smacks of Brighton being worried they could go down (have you seen their remaining fixtures) so just throwing out some ridiculous argument to try to end it now. As soon as you say publicly the league has lost integrity you make it really hard for the authorities to prove otherwise.
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Brighton have hit the nail on the head, it does not matter how much of a disadvantage it is or not, even the very slightest change of rules mid season makes it unfair.
The point is, it is unfair to relegate any club after changing the rules part way through a season.
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Hi Billy,
How did you feel about Spurs using two or three home stadiums in one season and do you think Spurs should be voided from European football as a result?
If not, why not?
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
You too busy ?
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Nope I just dont think youre making sense and I don't know what youre talking about.
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posted on 3/5/20
comment by Sayid Jarrah (U18355)
posted 30 minutes ago
Everyone knows that if football resumes it’s for financial gains only
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I don't understand this argument.
All business is for financial gains only. Every business is trying to get back to work so that they can make money.
posted on 3/5/20
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sir Kenneth Bates (U8238)
posted 20 seconds ago
Football without fans is going to be bad enough. Remove relegation and it will be very boring. Even European qualification may mean nothing if next seasons tournaments cannot take place.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Prem clubs would love it if none could relegated.
Think it couldn't happen?
Look at US Sports, no relegation.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it's why u.s sports suck. the leagues are all too big with nothing happening at the bottom half of the table for a good part of the season. hockey is the worst , removing draws from the game and trying to force a winner from a game that a draw was a fair result.
posted on 3/5/20
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 52 minutes ago
I don't even get the problem with neutral venues. Is it really that much of an advantage/disadvantage? Smacks of Brighton being worried they could go down (have you seen their remaining fixtures) so just throwing out some ridiculous argument to try to end it now. As soon as you say publicly the league has lost integrity you make it really hard for the authorities to prove otherwise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There won't be fans there and that is the real home advantage.
So if there are no fans there it doesn't really matter where they play, its still 11 vs 11 and who scores the most goals wins ect
posted on 3/5/20
Getting a bad feeling about all this too. Clearly if no relegation is agreed and no promotion then I think I'm finished with it all. What's the point, just utter greed and a closed shop mentality. If that's what being in the Premier gives you, you can stick it. I'd rather play Barnsley and Wigan then those selfish caaants.
posted on 3/5/20
comment by The Gaffer (U22336)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 52 minutes ago
I don't even get the problem with neutral venues. Is it really that much of an advantage/disadvantage? Smacks of Brighton being worried they could go down (have you seen their remaining fixtures) so just throwing out some ridiculous argument to try to end it now. As soon as you say publicly the league has lost integrity you make it really hard for the authorities to prove otherwise.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
There won't be fans there and that is the real home advantage.
So if there are no fans there it doesn't really matter where they play, its still 11 vs 11 and who scores the most goals wins ect
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Coventry have had a cracking "home" campaign in Birmingham's stadium. Suppose players will get more familiar with the pitch though if they play on it every other week.
posted on 3/5/20
end football for about 6 or 7 teams spread over 4 leagues? there has to be relegation. it would be better to relegate more teams than none. the whining buggers should have played better.
posted on 3/5/20
In response to the OP, it all depends on whether they manage to play out the season or not, I have my own feelings on that, but that's for other threads. if they do then there'll be teams finishing in the bottom three for sure.
Then and separate to that, will the Championship finish? if not then what system will they adopt in relation to offering teams to the Premier League in promoted places?
There's a myriad of options being promoted by one set of clubs supporters against another's depending on how that option suits their own teams agenda.
For what it's worth if they are unable to complete the season then in my opinion we should adopt PPG points per game and that would see you finally back in the Premier League at last.
posted on 3/5/20
comment by LeedsFanFor45Years (U6871)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's only the teams in the bottom six of the Prem that are complaining about the use of neutral venues - the only reason being they see a possibility of avoiding the threat of relegation.
I understand their stance (most clubs in similar positions would probably follow suit) but they don't see the bigger picture - if they block the ending of the season, Sky will be within their rights to withhold £746m of outstanding broadcast payments from the Premiership. This will have serious knock-on effects down the tiers, but mostly affecting the poorer clubs (including the majority of the six clubs protesting at the plans).
Effectively, those clubs are arguing about how best to fix the hose to the hydrant whilst their houses are burning down.
If they don't agree to the neutral grounds idea, I can see many clubs throughout the leagues going to the wall quickly.
One of the things the clubs are concerned about is the loss of revenue prior to a descent into the Championship, but with already obscene parachute payments being paid, those that go down would be in far better shape than teams already in the Championship who don't have such.
They might not get a choice in the matter anyhow as I read that only 14 of the teams need to back the motion to pass it.
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comment by LeedsFanFor45Years (U6871)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's only the teams in the bottom six of the Prem that are complaining about the use of neutral venues - the only reason being they see a possibility of avoiding the threat of relegation.
I understand their stance (most clubs in similar positions would probably follow suit) but they don't see the bigger picture - if they block the ending of the season, Sky will be within their rights to withhold £746m of outstanding broadcast payments from the Premiership. This will have serious knock-on effects down the tiers, but mostly affecting the poorer clubs (including the majority of the six clubs protesting at the plans).
Effectively, those clubs are arguing about how best to fix the hose to the hydrant whilst their houses are burning down.
If they don't agree to the neutral grounds idea, I can see many clubs throughout the leagues going to the wall quickly.
One of the things the clubs are concerned about is the loss of revenue prior to a descent into the Championship, but with already obscene parachute payments being paid, those that go down would be in far better shape than teams already in the Championship who don't have such.
They might not get a choice in the matter anyhow as I read that only 14 of the teams need to back the motion to pass it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
https://www.goal.com/en-ie/amp/news/how-much-money-do-premier-league-2019-20-winners-get/19jbauady17cw1ieojo40yextz
The table in that link shows distribution of money and you can extrapolate it to teams not in the table and see what they were paid last season.
Its been reported that the tranche consisting of merit payments and International TV money for this season has not been paid to the Prem by TV companies. It is not expected that TV companies will pay this money if the season isn't completed and it is not known whether they will go further to seek rebates.
As you can see in the table the merit payments reduce by 2m as you go down the table. Bottom club gets around 20m less than the title winner. Also, if rebates have to be paid back, every club will pay back in proportion to what they were paid and bottom clubs will have the least amount to pay back. Clubs threatened by relegation have reckoned that this TV money is probably less than the cost of relegation.
posted on 3/5/20
There's no good logic I see to what's being suggested there, completing the games yet not having relegation.
I appreciate the massive difficulty involved if the league is suspended. Quite clearly WBA and Leeds should go up considering the way the Championship looks; quite clearly Liverpool should be champions of the Prem. The relegation spots in the Prem are horrendous to sort out, the choice surely either being not completing the season and not having them - i.e. a 22-team Premier League next season - or completing the leagues somehow and having regular promotion and relegation. The suggestion from Brighton sounds pretty desperate.
I still want the leagues completed myself, as long as it takes. And I say that despite my team occupying a Champions League spot and Vardy getting the golden boot if the league ends now.
And I still think the best thing to do is to scrap next season and replace it with a tournament of indeterminate structure and length so that it can be adjusted to what happens with the virus. Then pick up where we left off in August 2022.
posted on 3/5/20
comment by Shijiu (U22385)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Sayid Jarrah (U18355)
posted 30 minutes ago
Everyone knows that if football resumes it’s for financial gains only
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I don't understand this argument.
All business is for financial gains only. Every business is trying to get back to work so that they can make money.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not really an argument when you agree with it
posted on 3/5/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 3/5/20
Cal - according to BBC:
A major factor in the decision to require neutral venues is reducing the chance of fans congregating, and the selection of grounds will be largely based on a rating from the police and the Sports Grounds Safety Authority.
posted on 3/5/20
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posted on 3/5/20
There is no way the Premier league will expand to 22, the top 6 will go against that, too many games... No, you are F**ked 😁
posted on 3/5/20
It's four more games.
Just ditch the league cup.
posted on 3/5/20
Wetherbyterrier - You may well be correct. The bottom 6 will do everything possible to prevent relegation. Clubs in the Champions League places will be happy with the status quo.
As ever, self interest and greed drive football. Concepts of a "football family" and fairness are luxuries that most club owners aren't interested in.
posted on 3/5/20
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posted on 3/5/20
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
It's four more games.
Just ditch the league cup.
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Meet the Leeds hater in chief.
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Wut?
posted on 3/5/20
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posted on 3/5/20
Nope. Wtf are you talking about?
posted on 3/5/20
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posted on 3/5/20
comment by ● Billy The Yidd ● (U3924)
posted 2 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 2 seconds ago
I don't even get the problem with neutral venues. Is it really that much of an advantage/disadvantage? Smacks of Brighton being worried they could go down (have you seen their remaining fixtures) so just throwing out some ridiculous argument to try to end it now. As soon as you say publicly the league has lost integrity you make it really hard for the authorities to prove otherwise.
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Brighton have hit the nail on the head, it does not matter how much of a disadvantage it is or not, even the very slightest change of rules mid season makes it unfair.
The point is, it is unfair to relegate any club after changing the rules part way through a season.
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Hi Billy,
How did you feel about Spurs using two or three home stadiums in one season and do you think Spurs should be voided from European football as a result?
If not, why not?
posted on 3/5/20
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 1 minute ago
You too busy ?
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Nope I just dont think youre making sense and I don't know what youre talking about.
posted on 3/5/20
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posted on 3/5/20
Doubt it but okay!
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