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Gerrard - Success or Failure

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posted on 4/5/20

The curse of the modern world-one end of the spectrum or the other with no middle ground.

Any opinion I give as a Celtic fan will just be dismissed as being scarfy, so I’ll just watch the thread unfold for the time being.

posted on 4/5/20

comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 1 minute ago
The curse of the modern world-one end of the spectrum or the other with no middle ground.

Any opinion I give as a Celtic fan will just be dismissed as being scarfy, so I’ll just watch the thread unfold for the time being.
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There is no getting around the fact that whatever a Celtic fans opinion on Gerrard is there will be Rangers fans who disagree even if they are going against their own opinion.

However, there are plenty of fans who are against him and plenty for. They won't care what a Celtic fan has to say.

As you say let's watch the thread unfold

Let's Go

comment by NNH (U10730)

posted on 4/5/20

The way i look at it is from a Celtic POV, we have yet to receive a title challenge past February when he has been in charge.

His cup record is embarrassing but he has brought in a lot of money via Europe and they have done well there.

posted on 4/5/20

Domestically with the millions he has spent and to win nothing while Celtuc might do the treble both years - resounding failure.
Europe - believe Rangers came from a false low position but nonetheless there has been a huge improvement so a definite success and his major plus point.
If a Celtic manager then undoubtedly would been sacked but he will be at Rangers next season when the hype will all start again 🤞

comment by JFK (U8919)

posted on 4/5/20

they seem to do well in the first half of the season and then fall to bits in the second half.

I think that's because that's when morelos goals dry up though, it happened in the season before gerrard arrived as well, he seemed to be less effective after the break.

he's done well with them in Europe, I think some favourable group draws where opponents have been in a bit of turmoil but that's not his problem.

unfortunate not to win a league cup this year as well, but his record in the rest isn't great.

in short, he's a b£llend and I hope he gets binned.

posted on 4/5/20

He hasn't won a trophy so he's a failure.

Constantly makes the same baffling choices. Continues to play duds like Tavernier and Goldson, and never makes them the scapegoat when they inevitably cost us, yet more than happy to throw others under the bus.

Aye he might have done well in Europe but he should be judged domestically, and that has been a resounding failure.

He should gtfo.

comment by NNH (U10730)

posted on 4/5/20

It's a good point about Morelos, he has actually only scored 6 goals over 2 seasons after Boxing day

That's flucking woeful.

posted on 4/5/20

Gerrard has spent more than the previous encumbents of the job so no real surprise that he has a better level of player and therefor closer to celtic. He has also shown he can change his tactics. If you look at the first old firm game where Rangers stood off celtic and the the two subsequent games with the high press which totally changed the look of the games if not the result (Cup final).
Also his runs in Europe where teams are more open and the team are under less pressure of expectation have been impressive. Its here that I think Gerrard has to improve though Rangers cannot only be a team that can win when the pressure is not on. With several players comments proving that the pressure is to much for some of the squad.
A better recruitment level needed for mental toughness less throwing the players under the us when it goes wrong required for Gerrard to take the next step up and win something.

posted on 4/5/20

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posted on 4/5/20

he seems to have a very strong backing within the Rangers support regardless of his shortcomings.
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Captained England, nuff sed.

posted on 4/5/20

Rangers will never win the league with slippy, it’s in his DNA

posted on 4/5/20

comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 7 minutes ago
He hasn't won a trophy so he's a failure.

Constantly makes the same baffling choices. Continues to play duds like Tavernier and Goldson, and never makes them the scapegoat when they inevitably cost us, yet more than happy to throw others under the bus.

Aye he might have done well in Europe but he should be judged domestically, and that has been a resounding failure.

He should gtfo.
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Gerrard has clear shortcomings.

But this continued scapegoating of Tav and Goldsonis absolutely embarrassing. It’s just nonsense and has nothing to do with any of the failures as a team.

Gerrards issue is his inability to change his tactics. The defence has been one of the strongest parts of our team. It’s the midfield and forwards that have cost us in the league and in the cups.

Defenders make mistakes and they both have them in them. Tav is the best rb in the league, and Goldson is our best cb. Our defensive record is good enough to be challenging Celtic.

comment by NNH (U10730)

posted on 4/5/20

Our defensive record is good enough to be challenging Celtic.


Not sure how you can say that when you think of the 2 Hearts games, Hamilton and Killie?

Goldson and Tavernier both cost every goal in those games.

posted on 4/5/20

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 7 minutes ago
He hasn't won a trophy so he's a failure.

Constantly makes the same baffling choices. Continues to play duds like Tavernier and Goldson, and never makes them the scapegoat when they inevitably cost us, yet more than happy to throw others under the bus.

Aye he might have done well in Europe but he should be judged domestically, and that has been a resounding failure.

He should gtfo.
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Gerrard has clear shortcomings.

But this continued scapegoating of Tav and Goldsonis absolutely embarrassing. It’s just nonsense and has nothing to do with any of the failures as a team.

Gerrards issue is his inability to change his tactics. The defence has been one of the strongest parts of our team. It’s the midfield and forwards that have cost us in the league and in the cups.

Defenders make mistakes and they both have them in them. Tav is the best rb in the league, and Goldson is our best cb. Our defensive record is good enough to be challenging Celtic.
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They have made just as many mistakes as Katic or Edmundson, yet they have never once been called out on it by Gerrard, unlike he does with the others.

A bit of consistency across the board is required. Ideally not criticising anyone in public, but if he's going to do it for one player then he has to do it for every.

posted on 4/5/20

Football games are generally won by the team who can afford the best players.

In 8 years Celtic have amassed 200 mill in TV Euro money.

Transfer market say they have spent 30 mill in 2 years Rangers spending 20 mill.
(don't blame me if its rubbish)

So a 50% difference.

The expectancy would be for the team spending 50% more to win more stuff.
Why spend it otherwise

So yes SG has failed in his trophy target but he does have one arm behind his back when trying to overcome such a financial disadvantage.

It will only get bigger so whoever is brought in faces the same problem

posted on 4/5/20

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comment by NNH (U10730)

posted on 4/5/20

comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
Football games are generally won by the team who can afford the best players.

In 8 years Celtic have amassed 200 mill in TV Euro money.

Transfer market say they have spent 30 mill in 2 years Rangers spending 20 mill.
(don't blame me if its rubbish)

So a 50% difference.

The expectancy would be for the team spending 50% more to win more stuff.
Why spend it otherwise

So yes SG has failed in his trophy target but he does have one arm behind his back when trying to overcome such a financial disadvantage.

It will only get bigger so whoever is brought in faces the same problem


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As much as i do agree we have been managed better off the park, resulting in us having more to spend.

Rangers have spent enough not to lose to Hamilton at home, Hearts twice and Killie away again.

There's clearly a mentality issue and i don't think that's solved by money, it comes down to leadership and having faith in your players, something Gerrard is very quick to toss out the window after a bad result.

posted on 4/5/20

comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 2 minutes ago
Our defensive record is good enough to be challenging Celtic.


Not sure how you can say that when you think of the 2 Hearts games, Hamilton and Killie?

Goldson and Tavernier both cost every goal in those games.
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Going on memory most losses have been one nil.

The Hearts games, they bossed our midfield. We couldn’t get out. Tactics and midfield lost us those games. Gerrard’s fault. Clear failure of his, pressure was on the defence because of that throughout these games.

We lost one nil to Hamilton. Goodson made a mistake aye, even Julien a 7m but has made at least a few errors. If Goodson hadn’t made that mistake we’d have one more point. Would make no difference to the table.

Kilmarnock errors were individual errors from Katic I’m sure.

In any case, defences make mistakes, but that’s no issue if we are actually on top of games and scoring.

posted on 4/5/20

comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 15 minutes ago
It's a good point about Morelos, he has actually only scored 6 goals over 2 seasons after Boxing day

That's flucking woeful.
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his indiscipline has cost them both times in all honesty

He's a train wreck ! Imagine if Edouard was a complete bell and we didn't have the option to play him because hes always getting himself into trouble

No use

posted on 4/5/20

It’ll be interesting to see how he fares when he is likely to have next to fwck all transfer kitty whether they sell players or not. Because that what this virus will do to almost everyone.

We are clearly in a far better financial position but we won’t be unscathed and we will act as a plc and save costs and bring in sales revenue where we can. I see that should we resume then title number 10 and likely 11 are absolute gimmes

Gerrard has undoubtedly improved Rangers in his stint but the ridiculous expectation levels of OF fans will have him marked down as a failure in most quarters.

posted on 4/5/20

comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 7 minutes ago
He hasn't won a trophy so he's a failure.

Constantly makes the same baffling choices. Continues to play duds like Tavernier and Goldson, and never makes them the scapegoat when they inevitably cost us, yet more than happy to throw others under the bus.

Aye he might have done well in Europe but he should be judged domestically, and that has been a resounding failure.

He should gtfo.
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Gerrard has clear shortcomings.

But this continued scapegoating of Tav and Goldsonis absolutely embarrassing. It’s just nonsense and has nothing to do with any of the failures as a team.

Gerrards issue is his inability to change his tactics. The defence has been one of the strongest parts of our team. It’s the midfield and forwards that have cost us in the league and in the cups.

Defenders make mistakes and they both have them in them. Tav is the best rb in the league, and Goldson is our best cb. Our defensive record is good enough to be challenging Celtic.
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They have made just as many mistakes as Katic or Edmundson, yet they have never once been called out on it by Gerrard, unlike he does with the others.

A bit of consistency across the board is required. Ideally not criticising anyone in public, but if he's going to do it for one player then he has to do it for every.
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That’s fair but again that’s not Goodson or Tav’s fault. They have made as many mistakes but played far far more.

Its the managers fault for calling players out and not others.

posted on 4/5/20

Gerrard has done a fantastic job

No doubt

posted on 4/5/20

comment by NNH (U10730)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Duke (U10059)
posted 1 minute ago
Football games are generally won by the team who can afford the best players.

In 8 years Celtic have amassed 200 mill in TV Euro money.

Transfer market say they have spent 30 mill in 2 years Rangers spending 20 mill.
(don't blame me if its rubbish)

So a 50% difference.

The expectancy would be for the team spending 50% more to win more stuff.
Why spend it otherwise

So yes SG has failed in his trophy target but he does have one arm behind his back when trying to overcome such a financial disadvantage.

It will only get bigger so whoever is brought in faces the same problem


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As much as i do agree we have been managed better off the park, resulting in us having more to spend.

Rangers have spent enough not to lose to Hamilton at home, Hearts twice and Killie away again.

There's clearly a mentality issue and i don't think that's solved by money, it comes down to leadership and having faith in your players, something Gerrard is very quick to toss out the window after a bad result.
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ultimately the team who can buy the best players will win

You can have the best mentality but still not be as good a player as those you play against.

You will compete at times but the end results will be similar and as expected

posted on 4/5/20

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 7 minutes ago
He hasn't won a trophy so he's a failure.

Constantly makes the same baffling choices. Continues to play duds like Tavernier and Goldson, and never makes them the scapegoat when they inevitably cost us, yet more than happy to throw others under the bus.

Aye he might have done well in Europe but he should be judged domestically, and that has been a resounding failure.

He should gtfo.
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Gerrard has clear shortcomings.

But this continued scapegoating of Tav and Goldsonis absolutely embarrassing. It’s just nonsense and has nothing to do with any of the failures as a team.

Gerrards issue is his inability to change his tactics. The defence has been one of the strongest parts of our team. It’s the midfield and forwards that have cost us in the league and in the cups.

Defenders make mistakes and they both have them in them. Tav is the best rb in the league, and Goldson is our best cb. Our defensive record is good enough to be challenging Celtic.
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They have made just as many mistakes as Katic or Edmundson, yet they have never once been called out on it by Gerrard, unlike he does with the others.

A bit of consistency across the board is required. Ideally not criticising anyone in public, but if he's going to do it for one player then he has to do it for every.
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That’s fair but again that’s not Goodson or Tav’s fault. They have made as many mistakes but played far far more.

Its the managers fault for calling players out and not others.
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Aye I guess that's fair.

posted on 4/5/20

comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 49 seconds ago
comment by Bluenose (U6456)
posted 7 minutes ago
He hasn't won a trophy so he's a failure.

Constantly makes the same baffling choices. Continues to play duds like Tavernier and Goldson, and never makes them the scapegoat when they inevitably cost us, yet more than happy to throw others under the bus.

Aye he might have done well in Europe but he should be judged domestically, and that has been a resounding failure.

He should gtfo.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Gerrard has clear shortcomings.

But this continued scapegoating of Tav and Goldsonis absolutely embarrassing. It’s just nonsense and has nothing to do with any of the failures as a team.

Gerrards issue is his inability to change his tactics. The defence has been one of the strongest parts of our team. It’s the midfield and forwards that have cost us in the league and in the cups.

Defenders make mistakes and they both have them in them. Tav is the best rb in the league, and Goldson is our best cb. Our defensive record is good enough to be challenging Celtic.
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They have made just as many mistakes as Katic or Edmundson, yet they have never once been called out on it by Gerrard, unlike he does with the others.

A bit of consistency across the board is required. Ideally not criticising anyone in public, but if he's going to do it for one player then he has to do it for every.
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That’s fair but again that’s not Goodson or Tav’s fault. They have made as many mistakes but played far far more.

Its the managers fault for calling players out and not others.
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Aye I guess that's fair.
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Don’t get me wrong they boil my pisss at times but they get too much stick from our fans for me.

Tav more so because he’s meant to be captain, which again falls on the manager making him it. Should be Gerrard that gets more stick, he gets away with too many failures.

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