Remember that Silver had family at Rheindahlen then. They started
putting in calibrated magnets in some machines to hook them out as the
ferrous content differed. Could still get away with it in remoter areas.
In the 80's 90's we travelled regular over Benelux.
Took 4 coinages marks, gelders, Belgian & French fr. Left
shirt pocket, right shirt etc. I smoked then umteen times got 'good value'
from vending machines in 4 countries.
SPFL only have about 25 employees - fair chance they subcontract the IT? Share with SFA, maybe?
We really are scraping the barrel if we are getting het up about that versus someone leaking the vote result.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
SPFL only have about 25 employees - fair chance they subcontract the IT? Share with SFA, maybe?
We really are scraping the barrel if we are getting het up about that versus someone leaking the vote result.
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Clubs up in arms with the SPFL executive that the reconstruction talks broke down, and that it was leaked to the press before they found out.
From a meeting that only the clubs from the premiership were involved in, and no one from the SPFL executive was in attendance. Crazy.
Congrats on the 200 there POV
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 7 minutes ago
Congrats on the 200 there POV
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It was inadvertent, so I wasn’t going to make a big deal about it.
comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this seriously) (U1850)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Deutchmark was the exact same size at the original 5p piece. Every schoolboy travelling to W. Germany in the 70s knew this, took bags of the things and filled the pool tables and street ciggy & beer machines. It was about 4DM to the pound at the time so approx 5:1 in your favour. Got run out of some bars after they emptied their slots.
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Used to put insulating tape on a 10 p and machines thought they were 50p we emptied a cigarette machine in a pub in Edinburgh and got more back in change than we put in
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Not sure I believe you, seems very out of character for you.
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comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
"In an attempt to reduce its own costs, ultimately for the benefit of all 42-member clubs, the SPFL furloughed several staff and a number of the executives voluntarily took salary cuts. As a result, only an executive team of five remain to administer and manage the on-going business of the organisation as well as planning for the end of the current Season and for Season 2020/21. Their workload has been extremely onerous, managing a huge number of additional tasks - liaising with the SFA, medical officers, the Government, UEFA, other league bodies, our commercial partners and clubs.
"As a consequence, has everything been done perfectly and has it always been fully communicated? Of course it has not, and this is a point we have already raised to ensure the organisation is future- proofed for subsequent boards after we stand down.
"The SPFL Board is dealing with a fast-moving set of circumstances, with a skeleton staff trying hard to prioritise matters. It’s an unenviable job, and we are sure the many fair-minded people in Scottish football fully understand this."
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again this just feels like willful blindness from some people.
That is not an excuse.
The spfl set this timetable. this vote proposal was brought up only 3 weeks after the league was suspended.
They set a timeline of 1 week nobody else, so if you are going to do that why on earth did you furlough everyone?
and even if for some reason you let that pass If you dont have the staff to do it properly take 1 or 2 weeks more.
again more questions.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 42 minutes ago
SPFL only have about 25 employees - fair chance they subcontract the IT? Share with SFA, maybe?
We really are scraping the barrel if we are getting het up about that versus someone leaking the vote result.
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they do share a lot of staff with sfa and hampden and i can confirm most of the folk i know that work for the sfa are still working from home
Lots of good ideas already. Rather than asking Should League Reconstruction be Delivered? I think a better question is Can Reconstruction Solve some of the problems in our game?
I think it is important to stress this Can’t be used to simply solve club woes faced this season due to the unfairness of the campaign being cut short. Maybe Shouldn’t is the more appropriate term in this case.
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Lots of good ideas already. Rather than asking Should League Reconstruction be Delivered? I think a better question is Can Reconstruction Solve some of the problems in our game?
I think it is important to stress this Can’t be used to simply solve club woes faced this season due to the unfairness of the campaign being cut short. Maybe Shouldn’t is the more appropriate term in this case.
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Exactly.
The only problem we were trying to solve with this proposed reconstruction was resolving the injustices of Hearts, thistle etc going down and teams like Falkirk not going up without having had the chance to finish the season properly.
Doomed to failure.
On another note I see Doncaster is contradicting himself all over the place.
One minute he is saying he was aware clubs had expressed concerns over discussions around the vote but dismissed it as 'robust conversations' which were to be expected from 'rough tough businessmen'.
Next minute he is whingeing because big bad Douglas Park said something nasty to him.
And he was happy to waste money funding the Deloittes investigation but he is now questioning the impartiality of any independent investigation if Rangers put up the money for it.
The lad is all over the place.
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One minute he is saying he was aware clubs had expressed concerns over discussions around the vote but dismissed it as 'robust conversations' which were to be expected from 'rough tough businessmen'.
Next minute he is whingeing because big bad Douglas Park said something nasty to him.
And he was happy to waste money funding the Deloittes investigation but he is now questioning the impartiality of any independent investigation if Rangers put up the money for it.
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I think what he alleges is that the line from robust but appropriate conversation to inappropriate conversation was crossed. I’m not saying it is the case or not, but it is certainly plausible.
I think you can see the difference between the narrow scope of the Deloitte work and the wide ranging proposal for the independent investigation. The difference in the payments is the SPFL (I.e. all the members) paid for the narrow Deloitte one as opposed to one club paying for it all, as is suggested for the one rangers seem to want.
So Doncaster has drawn an imaginary line and despite all the rough tough business men using robust language it is only Rangers who have crossed it?
Aye OK.
Now this stuff really bores me to tears and I would much rather none of this nonsense was going on but I have to say I think Rangers deserve a wee bit of credit for offering to pay for the investigation. They have put their money where their mouth is.
Doncaster was quick to play the finance card as a reason it shouldn't go ahead. That is why Rangers have offered to pay - not so they can hold any sort of undue influence over the investigation.
comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Doncaster has drawn an imaginary line and despite all the rough tough business men using robust language it is only Rangers who have crossed it?
Aye OK.
Now this stuff really bores me to tears and I would much rather none of this nonsense was going on but I have to say I think Rangers deserve a wee bit of credit for offering to pay for the investigation. They have put their money where their mouth is.
Doncaster was quick to play the finance card as a reason it shouldn't go ahead. That is why Rangers have offered to pay - not so they can hold any sort of undue influence over the investigation.
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Can you point to where he said only Douglas Park has “crossed the line”? I think that may be false.
I appreciate you think Rangers deserve credit. I think if rangers really wanted something done about the apparent old boys club who run the SPFL poorly, they would’ve gone about it in a much more cooperative manner. They wouldn’t have overplayed their hand and underdelivered. They would have met with other clubs and discussed whatever material they had, identified the key elements that point to incompetence and have a resolution, and resulting investigation, on that narrow basis. On the presumption that there’d be findings from that narrow investigation, the pressure would’ve been too much on Doncaster and he would have resigned.
Let me ask you, in all honesty, do you think rangers have gone about this in the most effective way if the objective is to remove Doncaster?
To clarify on my first sentence, Doncaster said this is the first time he has sought legal advice. That is not the same as “that’s the first time someone crossed the line.”
The spfl set this timetable. this vote proposal was brought up only 3 weeks after the league was suspended.
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Actually, it was the skint clubs that set the timetable. Despite furlough they still need ground staff, other skeleton functions, maybe still pay the 20%, pay other due bills and they are working with zero buffer, vast numbers with going concerns. That is much of the real disgrace in this despite the unexpected nature of the pandemic.
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Will 2020 see the demise of Trump, Bojo and Doncaster? Who knows?
Can you point to where he said only Douglas Park has “crossed the line”?
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As you say Douglas Park was the only one he sought to take legal action over.
He did not take any action when other clubs raised concerns about how they had been spoken to.
From that alone he seems to have decided Park was the only one that has crossed the line.
To be honest this whole thing has bored me to tears so I have avoided reading too much about it. I don't think anyone is covering themselves in glory right now.
But the PR campaign from Doncaster in the last couple of weeks absolutely reeks of desperation IMO.
But I am sure there has been stuff I have missed that may shine a different light on it.
comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this seriously) (U1850)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Doncaster has drawn an imaginary line and despite all the rough tough business men using robust language it is only Rangers who have crossed it?
Aye OK.
Now this stuff really bores me to tears and I would much rather none of this nonsense was going on but I have to say I think Rangers deserve a wee bit of credit for offering to pay for the investigation. They have put their money where their mouth is.
Doncaster was quick to play the finance card as a reason it shouldn't go ahead. That is why Rangers have offered to pay - not so they can hold any sort of undue influence over the investigation.
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Can you point to where he said only Douglas Park has “crossed the line”? I think that may be false.
I appreciate you think Rangers deserve credit. I think if rangers really wanted something done about the apparent old boys club who run the SPFL poorly, they would’ve gone about it in a much more cooperative manner. They wouldn’t have overplayed their hand and underdelivered. They would have met with other clubs and discussed whatever material they had, identified the key elements that point to incompetence and have a resolution, and resulting investigation, on that narrow basis. On the presumption that there’d be findings from that narrow investigation, the pressure would’ve been too much on Doncaster and he would have resigned.
Let me ask you, in all honesty, do you think rangers have gone about this in the most effective way if the objective is to remove Doncaster?
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Yes
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A scarfy response I see.
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Posted this on another thread but football talk is at a minimum there
https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman`s_Statement_&ID=11909
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 16 minutes ago
Posted this on another thread but football talk is at a minimum there
https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman`s_Statement_&ID=11909
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I liked the bit where he says ‘I like the company I keep.’
Interesting note on Douglas Park that he’s been in trouble with the Scottish football authorities before when he was fine £1,000 for locking the ref in his dressing room after a game when he was at Hearts.
The mud that’s getting slung about just now is stupendous.
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 16 minutes ago
Posted this on another thread but football talk is at a minimum there
https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman`s_Statement_&ID=11909
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I liked the bit where he says ‘I like the company I keep.’
Interesting note on Douglas Park that he’s been in trouble with the Scottish football authorities before when he was fine £1,000 for locking the ref in his dressing room after a game when he was at Hearts.
The mud that’s getting slung about just now is stupendous.
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It's a total mess. I'm not sure I could tell the difference between threats, robust exchanges and clarification of consequences anymore.
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posted on 10/5/20
Remember that Silver had family at Rheindahlen then. They started
putting in calibrated magnets in some machines to hook them out as the
ferrous content differed. Could still get away with it in remoter areas.
In the 80's 90's we travelled regular over Benelux.
Took 4 coinages marks, gelders, Belgian & French fr. Left
shirt pocket, right shirt etc. I smoked then umteen times got 'good value'
from vending machines in 4 countries.
posted on 10/5/20
SPFL only have about 25 employees - fair chance they subcontract the IT? Share with SFA, maybe?
We really are scraping the barrel if we are getting het up about that versus someone leaking the vote result.
posted on 10/5/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
SPFL only have about 25 employees - fair chance they subcontract the IT? Share with SFA, maybe?
We really are scraping the barrel if we are getting het up about that versus someone leaking the vote result.
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Clubs up in arms with the SPFL executive that the reconstruction talks broke down, and that it was leaked to the press before they found out.
From a meeting that only the clubs from the premiership were involved in, and no one from the SPFL executive was in attendance. Crazy.
posted on 10/5/20
Congrats on the 200 there POV
posted on 10/5/20
comment by The Mighty Quinn (U4099)
posted 7 minutes ago
Congrats on the 200 there POV
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It was inadvertent, so I wasn’t going to make a big deal about it.
posted on 10/5/20
comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this seriously) (U1850)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 3 minutes ago
The Deutchmark was the exact same size at the original 5p piece. Every schoolboy travelling to W. Germany in the 70s knew this, took bags of the things and filled the pool tables and street ciggy & beer machines. It was about 4DM to the pound at the time so approx 5:1 in your favour. Got run out of some bars after they emptied their slots.
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Used to put insulating tape on a 10 p and machines thought they were 50p we emptied a cigarette machine in a pub in Edinburgh and got more back in change than we put in
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Not sure I believe you, seems very out of character for you.
posted on 10/5/20
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posted on 11/5/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 43 minutes ago
"In an attempt to reduce its own costs, ultimately for the benefit of all 42-member clubs, the SPFL furloughed several staff and a number of the executives voluntarily took salary cuts. As a result, only an executive team of five remain to administer and manage the on-going business of the organisation as well as planning for the end of the current Season and for Season 2020/21. Their workload has been extremely onerous, managing a huge number of additional tasks - liaising with the SFA, medical officers, the Government, UEFA, other league bodies, our commercial partners and clubs.
"As a consequence, has everything been done perfectly and has it always been fully communicated? Of course it has not, and this is a point we have already raised to ensure the organisation is future- proofed for subsequent boards after we stand down.
"The SPFL Board is dealing with a fast-moving set of circumstances, with a skeleton staff trying hard to prioritise matters. It’s an unenviable job, and we are sure the many fair-minded people in Scottish football fully understand this."
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again this just feels like willful blindness from some people.
That is not an excuse.
The spfl set this timetable. this vote proposal was brought up only 3 weeks after the league was suspended.
They set a timeline of 1 week nobody else, so if you are going to do that why on earth did you furlough everyone?
and even if for some reason you let that pass If you dont have the staff to do it properly take 1 or 2 weeks more.
again more questions.
posted on 11/5/20
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 2 hours, 42 minutes ago
SPFL only have about 25 employees - fair chance they subcontract the IT? Share with SFA, maybe?
We really are scraping the barrel if we are getting het up about that versus someone leaking the vote result.
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they do share a lot of staff with sfa and hampden and i can confirm most of the folk i know that work for the sfa are still working from home
posted on 11/5/20
Lots of good ideas already. Rather than asking Should League Reconstruction be Delivered? I think a better question is Can Reconstruction Solve some of the problems in our game?
I think it is important to stress this Can’t be used to simply solve club woes faced this season due to the unfairness of the campaign being cut short. Maybe Shouldn’t is the more appropriate term in this case.
posted on 11/5/20
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Lots of good ideas already. Rather than asking Should League Reconstruction be Delivered? I think a better question is Can Reconstruction Solve some of the problems in our game?
I think it is important to stress this Can’t be used to simply solve club woes faced this season due to the unfairness of the campaign being cut short. Maybe Shouldn’t is the more appropriate term in this case.
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Exactly.
The only problem we were trying to solve with this proposed reconstruction was resolving the injustices of Hearts, thistle etc going down and teams like Falkirk not going up without having had the chance to finish the season properly.
Doomed to failure.
On another note I see Doncaster is contradicting himself all over the place.
One minute he is saying he was aware clubs had expressed concerns over discussions around the vote but dismissed it as 'robust conversations' which were to be expected from 'rough tough businessmen'.
Next minute he is whingeing because big bad Douglas Park said something nasty to him.
And he was happy to waste money funding the Deloittes investigation but he is now questioning the impartiality of any independent investigation if Rangers put up the money for it.
The lad is all over the place.
posted on 11/5/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/5/20
One minute he is saying he was aware clubs had expressed concerns over discussions around the vote but dismissed it as 'robust conversations' which were to be expected from 'rough tough businessmen'.
Next minute he is whingeing because big bad Douglas Park said something nasty to him.
And he was happy to waste money funding the Deloittes investigation but he is now questioning the impartiality of any independent investigation if Rangers put up the money for it.
————————————————
I think what he alleges is that the line from robust but appropriate conversation to inappropriate conversation was crossed. I’m not saying it is the case or not, but it is certainly plausible.
I think you can see the difference between the narrow scope of the Deloitte work and the wide ranging proposal for the independent investigation. The difference in the payments is the SPFL (I.e. all the members) paid for the narrow Deloitte one as opposed to one club paying for it all, as is suggested for the one rangers seem to want.
posted on 11/5/20
So Doncaster has drawn an imaginary line and despite all the rough tough business men using robust language it is only Rangers who have crossed it?
Aye OK.
Now this stuff really bores me to tears and I would much rather none of this nonsense was going on but I have to say I think Rangers deserve a wee bit of credit for offering to pay for the investigation. They have put their money where their mouth is.
Doncaster was quick to play the finance card as a reason it shouldn't go ahead. That is why Rangers have offered to pay - not so they can hold any sort of undue influence over the investigation.
posted on 11/5/20
comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Doncaster has drawn an imaginary line and despite all the rough tough business men using robust language it is only Rangers who have crossed it?
Aye OK.
Now this stuff really bores me to tears and I would much rather none of this nonsense was going on but I have to say I think Rangers deserve a wee bit of credit for offering to pay for the investigation. They have put their money where their mouth is.
Doncaster was quick to play the finance card as a reason it shouldn't go ahead. That is why Rangers have offered to pay - not so they can hold any sort of undue influence over the investigation.
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Can you point to where he said only Douglas Park has “crossed the line”? I think that may be false.
I appreciate you think Rangers deserve credit. I think if rangers really wanted something done about the apparent old boys club who run the SPFL poorly, they would’ve gone about it in a much more cooperative manner. They wouldn’t have overplayed their hand and underdelivered. They would have met with other clubs and discussed whatever material they had, identified the key elements that point to incompetence and have a resolution, and resulting investigation, on that narrow basis. On the presumption that there’d be findings from that narrow investigation, the pressure would’ve been too much on Doncaster and he would have resigned.
Let me ask you, in all honesty, do you think rangers have gone about this in the most effective way if the objective is to remove Doncaster?
posted on 11/5/20
To clarify on my first sentence, Doncaster said this is the first time he has sought legal advice. That is not the same as “that’s the first time someone crossed the line.”
posted on 11/5/20
The spfl set this timetable. this vote proposal was brought up only 3 weeks after the league was suspended.
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Actually, it was the skint clubs that set the timetable. Despite furlough they still need ground staff, other skeleton functions, maybe still pay the 20%, pay other due bills and they are working with zero buffer, vast numbers with going concerns. That is much of the real disgrace in this despite the unexpected nature of the pandemic.
posted on 11/5/20
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posted on 11/5/20
Will 2020 see the demise of Trump, Bojo and Doncaster? Who knows?
posted on 11/5/20
Can you point to where he said only Douglas Park has “crossed the line”?
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As you say Douglas Park was the only one he sought to take legal action over.
He did not take any action when other clubs raised concerns about how they had been spoken to.
From that alone he seems to have decided Park was the only one that has crossed the line.
To be honest this whole thing has bored me to tears so I have avoided reading too much about it. I don't think anyone is covering themselves in glory right now.
But the PR campaign from Doncaster in the last couple of weeks absolutely reeks of desperation IMO.
But I am sure there has been stuff I have missed that may shine a different light on it.
posted on 11/5/20
comment by Zachsda(change our mindset, treat this seriously) (U1850)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 (U14177)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Hot Shot Hamish (U21959)
posted 4 minutes ago
So Doncaster has drawn an imaginary line and despite all the rough tough business men using robust language it is only Rangers who have crossed it?
Aye OK.
Now this stuff really bores me to tears and I would much rather none of this nonsense was going on but I have to say I think Rangers deserve a wee bit of credit for offering to pay for the investigation. They have put their money where their mouth is.
Doncaster was quick to play the finance card as a reason it shouldn't go ahead. That is why Rangers have offered to pay - not so they can hold any sort of undue influence over the investigation.
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Can you point to where he said only Douglas Park has “crossed the line”? I think that may be false.
I appreciate you think Rangers deserve credit. I think if rangers really wanted something done about the apparent old boys club who run the SPFL poorly, they would’ve gone about it in a much more cooperative manner. They wouldn’t have overplayed their hand and underdelivered. They would have met with other clubs and discussed whatever material they had, identified the key elements that point to incompetence and have a resolution, and resulting investigation, on that narrow basis. On the presumption that there’d be findings from that narrow investigation, the pressure would’ve been too much on Doncaster and he would have resigned.
Let me ask you, in all honesty, do you think rangers have gone about this in the most effective way if the objective is to remove Doncaster?
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Yes
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A scarfy response I see.
posted on 11/5/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/5/20
Posted this on another thread but football talk is at a minimum there
https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman`s_Statement_&ID=11909
posted on 11/5/20
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 16 minutes ago
Posted this on another thread but football talk is at a minimum there
https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman`s_Statement_&ID=11909
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I liked the bit where he says ‘I like the company I keep.’
Interesting note on Douglas Park that he’s been in trouble with the Scottish football authorities before when he was fine £1,000 for locking the ref in his dressing room after a game when he was at Hearts.
The mud that’s getting slung about just now is stupendous.
posted on 11/5/20
comment by My POV (U10636)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JukeboxJunkie (U10162)
posted 16 minutes ago
Posted this on another thread but football talk is at a minimum there
https://dafc.co.uk/story.php?t=Chairman`s_Statement_&ID=11909
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I liked the bit where he says ‘I like the company I keep.’
Interesting note on Douglas Park that he’s been in trouble with the Scottish football authorities before when he was fine £1,000 for locking the ref in his dressing room after a game when he was at Hearts.
The mud that’s getting slung about just now is stupendous.
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It's a total mess. I'm not sure I could tell the difference between threats, robust exchanges and clarification of consequences anymore.
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