I'm convinced Robb is a Liverpool fan reading his comments on this thread. So no, United fans didn't agree. Just Liverpool fans.
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 57 seconds ago
I'm convinced Robb is a Liverpool fan reading his comments on this thread. So no, United fans didn't agree. Just Liverpool fans.
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He wasn't the only one. There were a few. So yes, some United fans did agree. It wasn't just Liverpool fans. Also let's not lose track of what was actually said, ie that Pogba is more talented and therefore as an individual better but in a team, in a team sport, he hasn't been. Henderson has a good shot at player of the year this season.
and therefore as an individual better
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And that's exactly what the discussion is supposed to have been about, than you for finally answering the actual question and admitting Pogba is better
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
I'm actually amazed anyone could even begin to think about comparing what De Bruyne does on a football pitch on a weekly basis to what Hendo does.
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 8 minutes ago
and therefore as an individual better
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And that's exactly what the discussion is supposed to have been about, than you for finally answering the actual question and admitting Pogba is better
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The question was answered with the same response from many people, including Liverpool and United fans.
You took issue with it and whined about it for pages, not seeming to understand why it was being said. Football is a team game, being talented is not enough, it's what you do with your talent.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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Evidence please.
There's a lot of throwaway comments being made on here with no evidence.
You can't just make things up and pass it off as truth.
You've just said Pogba is better as an individual. That's all I've been asking.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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I listened to a painful Athletic podcast where that idiot James Pearce tried in all earnest to argue that 8/11 players in the team of the year should be Liverpool players with hilarious contradictions throughout.
Then in the following podcast Simon Hughes of the athletic argued that Henderson deserved it because he has rallied the team together. Then when challenged as to why KDB didn’t win it two seasons ago said that Salah deserved it because he was ‘doing something unprecedented’ (in terms of goals) yet wouldn’t allow the same point about KDB who was on course for an unprecedented season in terms of breaking the assist record. The inconsistency, double-standards and shear bias was ludicrous. They are only really the only journalists on the Athletic who are like that - potentially cos they are the only writers on there who seem to support the team they write about.
*Note for all Liverpool fans I am a bit Hendo fan and think he has been in the top 5 performers this season.
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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I listened to a painful Athletic podcast where that idiot James Pearce tried in all earnest to argue that 8/11 players in the team of the year should be Liverpool players with hilarious contradictions throughout.
Then in the following podcast Simon Hughes of the athletic argued that Henderson deserved it because he has rallied the team together. Then when challenged as to why KDB didn’t win it two seasons ago said that Salah deserved it because he was ‘doing something unprecedented’ (in terms of goals) yet wouldn’t allow the same point about KDB who was on course for an unprecedented season in terms of breaking the assist record. The inconsistency, double-standards and shear bias was ludicrous. They are only really the only journalists on the Athletic who are like that - potentially cos they are the only writers on there who seem to support the team they write about.
*Note for all Liverpool fans I am a bit Hendo fan and think he has been in the top 5 performers this season.
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Isn't De Bruyne only slightly ahead of TAA for assists, who is playing at full back?
TAA would get my vote for player of the year, he's been outstanding.
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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I listened to a painful Athletic podcast where that idiot James Pearce tried in all earnest to argue that 8/11 players in the team of the year should be Liverpool players with hilarious contradictions throughout.
Then in the following podcast Simon Hughes of the athletic argued that Henderson deserved it because he has rallied the team together. Then when challenged as to why KDB didn’t win it two seasons ago said that Salah deserved it because he was ‘doing something unprecedented’ (in terms of goals) yet wouldn’t allow the same point about KDB who was on course for an unprecedented season in terms of breaking the assist record. The inconsistency, double-standards and shear bias was ludicrous. They are only really the only journalists on the Athletic who are like that - potentially cos they are the only writers on there who seem to support the team they write about.
*Note for all Liverpool fans I am a bit Hendo fan and think he has been in the top 5 performers this season.
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Standard Liverpool fan.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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I listened to a painful Athletic podcast where that idiot James Pearce tried in all earnest to argue that 8/11 players in the team of the year should be Liverpool players with hilarious contradictions throughout.
Then in the following podcast Simon Hughes of the athletic argued that Henderson deserved it because he has rallied the team together. Then when challenged as to why KDB didn’t win it two seasons ago said that Salah deserved it because he was ‘doing something unprecedented’ (in terms of goals) yet wouldn’t allow the same point about KDB who was on course for an unprecedented season in terms of breaking the assist record. The inconsistency, double-standards and shear bias was ludicrous. They are only really the only journalists on the Athletic who are like that - potentially cos they are the only writers on there who seem to support the team they write about.
*Note for all Liverpool fans I am a bit Hendo fan and think he has been in the top 5 performers this season.
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Isn't De Bruyne only slightly ahead of TAA for assists, who is playing at full back?
TAA would get my vote for player of the year, he's been outstanding.
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He is 4 ahead with 16, so more than slightly.
I think TAA is a good shout, I put money on him winning in December all though he faded slightly since. Mane has probably been Liverpool’s highest performer in my opinion, with KDB being the PLs highest performer.
Top 5:
KDB
Mane
TAA
Hendo
Vardy or Ndidi
Can't name a top 5 for this season and not have Van Dijk and/or Alisson in there
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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I listened to a painful Athletic podcast where that idiot James Pearce tried in all earnest to argue that 8/11 players in the team of the year should be Liverpool players with hilarious contradictions throughout.
Then in the following podcast Simon Hughes of the athletic argued that Henderson deserved it because he has rallied the team together. Then when challenged as to why KDB didn’t win it two seasons ago said that Salah deserved it because he was ‘doing something unprecedented’ (in terms of goals) yet wouldn’t allow the same point about KDB who was on course for an unprecedented season in terms of breaking the assist record. The inconsistency, double-standards and shear bias was ludicrous. They are only really the only journalists on the Athletic who are like that - potentially cos they are the only writers on there who seem to support the team they write about.
*Note for all Liverpool fans I am a bit Hendo fan and think he has been in the top 5 performers this season.
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Isn't De Bruyne only slightly ahead of TAA for assists, who is playing at full back?
TAA would get my vote for player of the year, he's been outstanding.
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He is 4 ahead with 16, so more than slightly.
I think TAA is a good shout, I put money on him winning in December all though he faded slightly since. Mane has probably been Liverpool’s highest performer in my opinion, with KDB being the PLs highest performer.
Top 5:
KDB
Mane
TAA
Hendo
Vardy or Ndidi
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TAA
De Bruyne
Mane
VVD
Henderson
Top five for me. Alisson will be there by season end but hard to put him in now with so many games missed.
Considering Alisson has only really played the equivalent of 19 games this season I find it quite easy to not have him in the top 5.
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 minute ago
Considering Alisson has only really played the equivalent of 19 games this season I find it quite easy to not have him in the top 5.
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Agree. However he has been excellent in the games he has played and I believe one clean sheet off the top, even after missing so many games.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 minute ago
Considering Alisson has only really played the equivalent of 19 games this season I find it quite easy to not have him in the top 5.
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Agree. However he has been excellent in the games he has played and I believe one clean sheet off the top, even after missing so many games.
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He has been excellent; so have Pope and Henderson. I find them tough to differentiate so far this season where in general the goalkeeping standards have been quite high.
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 minute ago
Considering Alisson has only really played the equivalent of 19 games this season I find it quite easy to not have him in the top 5.
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Agree. However he has been excellent in the games he has played and I believe one clean sheet off the top, even after missing so many games.
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He has been excellent; so have Pope and Henderson. I find them tough to differentiate so far this season where in general the goalkeeping standards have been quite high.
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Yeah if I had to choose now I'd go with Henderson.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 19 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 52 minutes ago
I did that and didn't notice it. Perhaps you could point out what I should be looking for? I'm a bit thick you see.
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What would you like to know, tackeles? goal contributions? distance covered?
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Prem 2018/19 Season
Blocks: Pogba 9 Henderson 3
Tackels: 47.....46
Interceptions 18.....30
Tackles won 30.......35
Clearances 36.....13
Headed clearances: 25....6
Ariel Battles won: 59....25
As we've established Pogba runs more as well.
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Ok?
So Pogba played 1000 minutes more than Henderson, as Henderson had as few injuries. This season with less injuries, he has so far played 1200 minutes less and comes out on top in nearly all of the above. Using totals when the two values don't match, ie. one had more chances increase values in each area, is fundamentally flawed.
Although using your stats you'll find Henderson will have more of the things I mentioned on average.
I asked you for evidence for your claim, you provided incorrect evidence. I suggest you post the averages, or retract your claim.
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No problem.
The average for running per game was already given to you and Pogba came out on top. here are some more "basics"...
Ariels won Per Game: Pogba 1.7 Henderson 0.8
Tackles PG: 1.3.....1.4
Blocks PG: 0.3.......0.1
Dribbled past PG: 0.7....0.7
Clearances PG:: 1....0.4
Interceptions PG: 0.5....0.9
Key passes PG: 1.6....0.5
passes PG: 59.1.....54.1
Pass success PG: 82.8........87.2
Long Ball PG: 4.7.......3.3
Through balls PG: 0.2....0.1
Crosses PG: 01.....02
Looks like old Pogs comes out on top in most of those and some of the ones he loses are similar, like the tackles per game.
All this while offering 22 goal contributions (goal and assists) to Hendersons 4 goal contributions, he also created more chances, which is a nice bonus
https://www.whoscored.com/PlayerComparison
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 19 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 52 minutes ago
I did that and didn't notice it. Perhaps you could point out what I should be looking for? I'm a bit thick you see.
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What would you like to know, tackeles? goal contributions? distance covered?
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Prem 2018/19 Season
Blocks: Pogba 9 Henderson 3
Tackels: 47.....46
Interceptions 18.....30
Tackles won 30.......35
Clearances 36.....13
Headed clearances: 25....6
Ariel Battles won: 59....25
As we've established Pogba runs more as well.
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Ok?
So Pogba played 1000 minutes more than Henderson, as Henderson had as few injuries. This season with less injuries, he has so far played 1200 minutes less and comes out on top in nearly all of the above. Using totals when the two values don't match, ie. one had more chances increase values in each area, is fundamentally flawed.
Although using your stats you'll find Henderson will have more of the things I mentioned on average.
I asked you for evidence for your claim, you provided incorrect evidence. I suggest you post the averages, or retract your claim.
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No problem.
The average for running per game was already given to you and Pogba came out on top. here are some more "basics"...
Ariels won Per Game: Pogba 1.7 Henderson 0.8
Tackles PG: 1.3.....1.4
Blocks PG: 0.3.......0.1
Dribbled past PG: 0.7....0.7
Clearances PG:: 1....0.4
Interceptions PG: 0.5....0.9
Key passes PG: 1.6....0.5
passes PG: 59.1.....54.1
Pass success PG: 82.8........87.2
Long Ball PG: 4.7.......3.3
Through balls PG: 0.2....0.1
Crosses PG: 01.....02
Looks like old Pogs comes out on top in most of those and some of the ones he loses are similar, like the tackles per game.
All this while offering 22 goal contributions (goal and assists) to Hendersons 4 goal contributions, he also created more chances, which is a nice bonus
https://www.whoscored.com/PlayerComparison
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So Henderson in the non-attacking stats comes out on top. You incorrectly stated the opposite. Also Pogba does not run more per game. He may travel more distance but he doesn't run more per game and you only need your eyes to see that.
How did you come to the conclusion he comes out on top in the non attacking stats
The information is literally right there, Pogba comes out on top in the majority of those stats. Pogba wins more duels in the air, has more clearances and has more blocks. Henderson is the clear winner with interceptions and is 0.1 better off in tackles which is almost identical.
As for the running stats, it's a fact. Your lazy assumptions about Pogba being lazy are deceiving your eyes.
He has better defensive stats, passing stats and end product, I'm sorry you had to find out like this.
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
How did you come to the conclusion he comes out on top in the non attacking stats
The information is literally right there, Pogba comes out on top in the majority of those stats. Pogba wins more duels in the air, has more clearances and has more blocks. Henderson is the clear winner with interceptions and is 0.1 better off in tackles which is almost identical.
As for the running stats, it's a fact. Your lazy assumptions about Pogba being lazy are deceiving your eyes.
He has better defensive stats, passing stats and end product, I'm sorry you had to find out like this.
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Henderson dispossessed 8, Pogba 89
Henderson interceptions 40, Pogba 18
Henderson tackles won 35, Pogba 30
Henderson blocks 3, Pogba 9
Henderson fouls 26, Pogba 54
Henderson clearances 13, Pogba 36
Henderson pass completion 87%, Pogba 82%
Henderson literally crapped all over Pogba, overall last season in the area you claimed Pogba was better where the other area Pogba was 'better' in was clearances, ie. pumping the ball up the pitch instead of passing it. The website doesn't give you proper stats either as it gives totals and not percentages on a lot of areas also.
You seem to have real trouble interpreting stats.
Oh and Henderson played over 1000 minutes less.
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posted on 19/5/20
I'm convinced Robb is a Liverpool fan reading his comments on this thread. So no, United fans didn't agree. Just Liverpool fans.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 57 seconds ago
I'm convinced Robb is a Liverpool fan reading his comments on this thread. So no, United fans didn't agree. Just Liverpool fans.
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He wasn't the only one. There were a few. So yes, some United fans did agree. It wasn't just Liverpool fans. Also let's not lose track of what was actually said, ie that Pogba is more talented and therefore as an individual better but in a team, in a team sport, he hasn't been. Henderson has a good shot at player of the year this season.
posted on 19/5/20
and therefore as an individual better
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And that's exactly what the discussion is supposed to have been about, than you for finally answering the actual question and admitting Pogba is better
posted on 19/5/20
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
posted on 19/5/20
I'm actually amazed anyone could even begin to think about comparing what De Bruyne does on a football pitch on a weekly basis to what Hendo does.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by Wahl Icht - (U22332)
posted 8 minutes ago
and therefore as an individual better
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And that's exactly what the discussion is supposed to have been about, than you for finally answering the actual question and admitting Pogba is better
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The question was answered with the same response from many people, including Liverpool and United fans.
You took issue with it and whined about it for pages, not seeming to understand why it was being said. Football is a team game, being talented is not enough, it's what you do with your talent.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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Evidence please.
There's a lot of throwaway comments being made on here with no evidence.
You can't just make things up and pass it off as truth.
posted on 19/5/20
You've just said Pogba is better as an individual. That's all I've been asking.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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I listened to a painful Athletic podcast where that idiot James Pearce tried in all earnest to argue that 8/11 players in the team of the year should be Liverpool players with hilarious contradictions throughout.
Then in the following podcast Simon Hughes of the athletic argued that Henderson deserved it because he has rallied the team together. Then when challenged as to why KDB didn’t win it two seasons ago said that Salah deserved it because he was ‘doing something unprecedented’ (in terms of goals) yet wouldn’t allow the same point about KDB who was on course for an unprecedented season in terms of breaking the assist record. The inconsistency, double-standards and shear bias was ludicrous. They are only really the only journalists on the Athletic who are like that - potentially cos they are the only writers on there who seem to support the team they write about.
*Note for all Liverpool fans I am a bit Hendo fan and think he has been in the top 5 performers this season.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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I listened to a painful Athletic podcast where that idiot James Pearce tried in all earnest to argue that 8/11 players in the team of the year should be Liverpool players with hilarious contradictions throughout.
Then in the following podcast Simon Hughes of the athletic argued that Henderson deserved it because he has rallied the team together. Then when challenged as to why KDB didn’t win it two seasons ago said that Salah deserved it because he was ‘doing something unprecedented’ (in terms of goals) yet wouldn’t allow the same point about KDB who was on course for an unprecedented season in terms of breaking the assist record. The inconsistency, double-standards and shear bias was ludicrous. They are only really the only journalists on the Athletic who are like that - potentially cos they are the only writers on there who seem to support the team they write about.
*Note for all Liverpool fans I am a bit Hendo fan and think he has been in the top 5 performers this season.
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Isn't De Bruyne only slightly ahead of TAA for assists, who is playing at full back?
TAA would get my vote for player of the year, he's been outstanding.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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I listened to a painful Athletic podcast where that idiot James Pearce tried in all earnest to argue that 8/11 players in the team of the year should be Liverpool players with hilarious contradictions throughout.
Then in the following podcast Simon Hughes of the athletic argued that Henderson deserved it because he has rallied the team together. Then when challenged as to why KDB didn’t win it two seasons ago said that Salah deserved it because he was ‘doing something unprecedented’ (in terms of goals) yet wouldn’t allow the same point about KDB who was on course for an unprecedented season in terms of breaking the assist record. The inconsistency, double-standards and shear bias was ludicrous. They are only really the only journalists on the Athletic who are like that - potentially cos they are the only writers on there who seem to support the team they write about.
*Note for all Liverpool fans I am a bit Hendo fan and think he has been in the top 5 performers this season.
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Standard Liverpool fan.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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I listened to a painful Athletic podcast where that idiot James Pearce tried in all earnest to argue that 8/11 players in the team of the year should be Liverpool players with hilarious contradictions throughout.
Then in the following podcast Simon Hughes of the athletic argued that Henderson deserved it because he has rallied the team together. Then when challenged as to why KDB didn’t win it two seasons ago said that Salah deserved it because he was ‘doing something unprecedented’ (in terms of goals) yet wouldn’t allow the same point about KDB who was on course for an unprecedented season in terms of breaking the assist record. The inconsistency, double-standards and shear bias was ludicrous. They are only really the only journalists on the Athletic who are like that - potentially cos they are the only writers on there who seem to support the team they write about.
*Note for all Liverpool fans I am a bit Hendo fan and think he has been in the top 5 performers this season.
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Isn't De Bruyne only slightly ahead of TAA for assists, who is playing at full back?
TAA would get my vote for player of the year, he's been outstanding.
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He is 4 ahead with 16, so more than slightly.
I think TAA is a good shout, I put money on him winning in December all though he faded slightly since. Mane has probably been Liverpool’s highest performer in my opinion, with KDB being the PLs highest performer.
Top 5:
KDB
Mane
TAA
Hendo
Vardy or Ndidi
posted on 19/5/20
Can't name a top 5 for this season and not have Van Dijk and/or Alisson in there
posted on 19/5/20
Bye bye Hendo then.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
There’s been a few good ones where Liverpool fans think Henderson has been better than De Bruyne this season as well.
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I listened to a painful Athletic podcast where that idiot James Pearce tried in all earnest to argue that 8/11 players in the team of the year should be Liverpool players with hilarious contradictions throughout.
Then in the following podcast Simon Hughes of the athletic argued that Henderson deserved it because he has rallied the team together. Then when challenged as to why KDB didn’t win it two seasons ago said that Salah deserved it because he was ‘doing something unprecedented’ (in terms of goals) yet wouldn’t allow the same point about KDB who was on course for an unprecedented season in terms of breaking the assist record. The inconsistency, double-standards and shear bias was ludicrous. They are only really the only journalists on the Athletic who are like that - potentially cos they are the only writers on there who seem to support the team they write about.
*Note for all Liverpool fans I am a bit Hendo fan and think he has been in the top 5 performers this season.
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Isn't De Bruyne only slightly ahead of TAA for assists, who is playing at full back?
TAA would get my vote for player of the year, he's been outstanding.
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He is 4 ahead with 16, so more than slightly.
I think TAA is a good shout, I put money on him winning in December all though he faded slightly since. Mane has probably been Liverpool’s highest performer in my opinion, with KDB being the PLs highest performer.
Top 5:
KDB
Mane
TAA
Hendo
Vardy or Ndidi
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TAA
De Bruyne
Mane
VVD
Henderson
Top five for me. Alisson will be there by season end but hard to put him in now with so many games missed.
posted on 19/5/20
Considering Alisson has only really played the equivalent of 19 games this season I find it quite easy to not have him in the top 5.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 minute ago
Considering Alisson has only really played the equivalent of 19 games this season I find it quite easy to not have him in the top 5.
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Agree. However he has been excellent in the games he has played and I believe one clean sheet off the top, even after missing so many games.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 minute ago
Considering Alisson has only really played the equivalent of 19 games this season I find it quite easy to not have him in the top 5.
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Agree. However he has been excellent in the games he has played and I believe one clean sheet off the top, even after missing so many games.
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He has been excellent; so have Pope and Henderson. I find them tough to differentiate so far this season where in general the goalkeeping standards have been quite high.
posted on 19/5/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 1 minute ago
Considering Alisson has only really played the equivalent of 19 games this season I find it quite easy to not have him in the top 5.
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Agree. However he has been excellent in the games he has played and I believe one clean sheet off the top, even after missing so many games.
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He has been excellent; so have Pope and Henderson. I find them tough to differentiate so far this season where in general the goalkeeping standards have been quite high.
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Yeah if I had to choose now I'd go with Henderson.
posted on 22/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 19 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 52 minutes ago
I did that and didn't notice it. Perhaps you could point out what I should be looking for? I'm a bit thick you see.
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What would you like to know, tackeles? goal contributions? distance covered?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Prem 2018/19 Season
Blocks: Pogba 9 Henderson 3
Tackels: 47.....46
Interceptions 18.....30
Tackles won 30.......35
Clearances 36.....13
Headed clearances: 25....6
Ariel Battles won: 59....25
As we've established Pogba runs more as well.
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Ok?
So Pogba played 1000 minutes more than Henderson, as Henderson had as few injuries. This season with less injuries, he has so far played 1200 minutes less and comes out on top in nearly all of the above. Using totals when the two values don't match, ie. one had more chances increase values in each area, is fundamentally flawed.
Although using your stats you'll find Henderson will have more of the things I mentioned on average.
I asked you for evidence for your claim, you provided incorrect evidence. I suggest you post the averages, or retract your claim.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No problem.
The average for running per game was already given to you and Pogba came out on top. here are some more "basics"...
Ariels won Per Game: Pogba 1.7 Henderson 0.8
Tackles PG: 1.3.....1.4
Blocks PG: 0.3.......0.1
Dribbled past PG: 0.7....0.7
Clearances PG:: 1....0.4
Interceptions PG: 0.5....0.9
Key passes PG: 1.6....0.5
passes PG: 59.1.....54.1
Pass success PG: 82.8........87.2
Long Ball PG: 4.7.......3.3
Through balls PG: 0.2....0.1
Crosses PG: 01.....02
Looks like old Pogs comes out on top in most of those and some of the ones he loses are similar, like the tackles per game.
All this while offering 22 goal contributions (goal and assists) to Hendersons 4 goal contributions, he also created more chances, which is a nice bonus
https://www.whoscored.com/PlayerComparison
posted on 22/5/20
I prefer p90 than pG.
posted on 22/5/20
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 19 hours, 10 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 52 minutes ago
I did that and didn't notice it. Perhaps you could point out what I should be looking for? I'm a bit thick you see.
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What would you like to know, tackeles? goal contributions? distance covered?
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Prem 2018/19 Season
Blocks: Pogba 9 Henderson 3
Tackels: 47.....46
Interceptions 18.....30
Tackles won 30.......35
Clearances 36.....13
Headed clearances: 25....6
Ariel Battles won: 59....25
As we've established Pogba runs more as well.
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Ok?
So Pogba played 1000 minutes more than Henderson, as Henderson had as few injuries. This season with less injuries, he has so far played 1200 minutes less and comes out on top in nearly all of the above. Using totals when the two values don't match, ie. one had more chances increase values in each area, is fundamentally flawed.
Although using your stats you'll find Henderson will have more of the things I mentioned on average.
I asked you for evidence for your claim, you provided incorrect evidence. I suggest you post the averages, or retract your claim.
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No problem.
The average for running per game was already given to you and Pogba came out on top. here are some more "basics"...
Ariels won Per Game: Pogba 1.7 Henderson 0.8
Tackles PG: 1.3.....1.4
Blocks PG: 0.3.......0.1
Dribbled past PG: 0.7....0.7
Clearances PG:: 1....0.4
Interceptions PG: 0.5....0.9
Key passes PG: 1.6....0.5
passes PG: 59.1.....54.1
Pass success PG: 82.8........87.2
Long Ball PG: 4.7.......3.3
Through balls PG: 0.2....0.1
Crosses PG: 01.....02
Looks like old Pogs comes out on top in most of those and some of the ones he loses are similar, like the tackles per game.
All this while offering 22 goal contributions (goal and assists) to Hendersons 4 goal contributions, he also created more chances, which is a nice bonus
https://www.whoscored.com/PlayerComparison
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So Henderson in the non-attacking stats comes out on top. You incorrectly stated the opposite. Also Pogba does not run more per game. He may travel more distance but he doesn't run more per game and you only need your eyes to see that.
posted on 22/5/20
How did you come to the conclusion he comes out on top in the non attacking stats
The information is literally right there, Pogba comes out on top in the majority of those stats. Pogba wins more duels in the air, has more clearances and has more blocks. Henderson is the clear winner with interceptions and is 0.1 better off in tackles which is almost identical.
As for the running stats, it's a fact. Your lazy assumptions about Pogba being lazy are deceiving your eyes.
He has better defensive stats, passing stats and end product, I'm sorry you had to find out like this.
posted on 22/5/20
comment by Kung Fu Cantona 🙏🏼 🇵🇸 (U18082)
posted 1 hour, 21 minutes ago
How did you come to the conclusion he comes out on top in the non attacking stats
The information is literally right there, Pogba comes out on top in the majority of those stats. Pogba wins more duels in the air, has more clearances and has more blocks. Henderson is the clear winner with interceptions and is 0.1 better off in tackles which is almost identical.
As for the running stats, it's a fact. Your lazy assumptions about Pogba being lazy are deceiving your eyes.
He has better defensive stats, passing stats and end product, I'm sorry you had to find out like this.
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Henderson dispossessed 8, Pogba 89
Henderson interceptions 40, Pogba 18
Henderson tackles won 35, Pogba 30
Henderson blocks 3, Pogba 9
Henderson fouls 26, Pogba 54
Henderson clearances 13, Pogba 36
Henderson pass completion 87%, Pogba 82%
Henderson literally crapped all over Pogba, overall last season in the area you claimed Pogba was better where the other area Pogba was 'better' in was clearances, ie. pumping the ball up the pitch instead of passing it. The website doesn't give you proper stats either as it gives totals and not percentages on a lot of areas also.
You seem to have real trouble interpreting stats.
posted on 22/5/20
Oh and Henderson played over 1000 minutes less.
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