The point if that automation makes people redundant. The construction industry, as in its ability to provide jobs, would suffer massively.
Would it be more efficient and more cost effective? No doubt. But that doesn’t really help the workforce. And this is the problem with Brexit as it’s not something that will provide more work opportunities as it will damage the already ailing industries as well as the ones that are thriving.
I’m looking forward to seeing who the Tories blame for this next.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 15 minutes ago
It's happening already. And we're playing at it.
If the govt., I know they're sht, but if they give the right push, we could start to angle towards that and have something to look forward to and aim for. Whilst focussing education on this even more than they already are.
Doesn't take long to train people in this sector with the right leadership and candidates.
To give one example in a leading sector, I was talking to a surgeon in a Birmingham hospital and he said Theatre time has been reduced by two hours - £1200 per hour, just by the surgeon being able to 3D Print a model for £5 and use it to plan surgery, entry angles, etc.
That's per operation. So finacial and more importantly, massive health benefits.
And obviously every surgeon around the country can use this technique.
We're now talking medical devices.
But have the government put together a proposal for implementing these huge savings in our NHS hospitals?
Don't think so.
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Do you want the answer?
Money
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Indeed!
They don't want to disrupt the expensive supply chain they have going that feeds the bloodlines that reign supreme, whoever they are.
It ain't facking Boris Johnson haha.
The Tories will do what suits their own interests and those of the business people that fund their campaigns. It is Boris Johnson.
In addition to the economic damage to our country at a time when our economy needs all the support it can get, Brexit has been linked to the advent of a really malign development in our democracy: that of populist distrust of the complexity of reality, of science and experts, and the accompanying elevation of PR over policy and a willingness to lie and to be lied to.
We now have not only a Brexit-supporting government, but basically the leaders of the Vote Leave campaign running the show, with their simplistic recipes and dishonesty. Over and above the effects of Brexit itself, these people will have a catastrophic impact on our politics in general. They are presiding over one of the worst mortality rates in the world, they are repeatedly being exposed for untruthful statements and inconsistencies about their handling of the pandemic. Meanwhile, if you're watching, they seem to be actively trying to make negotiations on a trade deal fail, and grandstanding about this for the benefit of a domestic audience that surely has better things to care about now, and only this week conceding that there will be customs checks in the Irish sea (which BJ swore wasn't the case repeatedly). And the new immigration policy despite all the good will towards NHS heroes still demands that foreign nurses on low pay will have to pay a surcharge to get treatment in case they get ill on top of already paying their taxes and NI like the rest of us. It's nuts. It's extremism, cynicism, the very worst mainstream British politicians I've ever known - in total control during the biggest crisis of our lifetimes.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 seconds ago
In addition to the economic damage to our country at a time when our economy needs all the support it can get, Brexit has been linked to the advent of a really malign development in our democracy: that of populist distrust of the complexity of reality, of science and experts, and the accompanying elevation of PR over policy and a willingness to lie and to be lied to.
We now have not only a Brexit-supporting government, but basically the leaders of the Vote Leave campaign running the show, with their simplistic recipes and dishonesty. Over and above the effects of Brexit itself, these people will have a catastrophic impact on our politics in general. They are presiding over one of the worst mortality rates in the world, they are repeatedly being exposed for untruthful statements and inconsistencies about their handling of the pandemic. Meanwhile, if you're watching, they seem to be actively trying to make negotiations on a trade deal fail, and grandstanding about this for the benefit of a domestic audience that surely has better things to care about now, and only this week conceding that there will be customs checks in the Irish sea (which BJ swore wasn't the case repeatedly). And the new immigration policy despite all the good will towards NHS heroes still demands that foreign nurses on low pay will have to pay a surcharge to get treatment in case they get ill on top of already paying their taxes and NI like the rest of us. It's nuts. It's extremism, cynicism, the very worst mainstream British politicians I've ever known - in total control during the biggest crisis of our lifetimes.
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Yeah.. but we should be getting through it together though!! Smiles all round!!
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
In addition to the economic damage to our country at a time when our economy needs all the support it can get, Brexit has been linked to the advent of a really malign development in our democracy: that of populist distrust of the complexity of reality, of science and experts, and the accompanying elevation of PR over policy and a willingness to lie and to be lied to.
We now have not only a Brexit-supporting government, but basically the leaders of the Vote Leave campaign running the show, with their simplistic recipes and dishonesty. Over and above the effects of Brexit itself, these people will have a catastrophic impact on our politics in general. They are presiding over one of the worst mortality rates in the world, they are repeatedly being exposed for untruthful statements and inconsistencies about their handling of the pandemic. Meanwhile, if you're watching, they seem to be actively trying to make negotiations on a trade deal fail, and grandstanding about this for the benefit of a domestic audience that surely has better things to care about now, and only this week conceding that there will be customs checks in the Irish sea (which BJ swore wasn't the case repeatedly). And the new immigration policy despite all the good will towards NHS heroes still demands that foreign nurses on low pay will have to pay a surcharge to get treatment in case they get ill on top of already paying their taxes and NI like the rest of us. It's nuts. It's extremism, cynicism, the very worst mainstream British politicians I've ever known - in total control during the biggest crisis of our lifetimes.
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Great post.
It’s an utterly depressing state of affairs.
I thought for a moment that was Jeremy Corbin having a rant but then realised he doesn't know most of those big words. See the dog. See the dog run. That's about his level.
.
Some good news to come out of all this. At least footballers will stop them stupid handshakes now.
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
In addition to the economic damage to our country at a time when our economy needs all the support it can get, Brexit has been linked to the advent of a really malign development in our democracy: that of populist distrust of the complexity of reality, of science and experts, and the accompanying elevation of PR over policy and a willingness to lie and to be lied to.
We now have not only a Brexit-supporting government, but basically the leaders of the Vote Leave campaign running the show, with their simplistic recipes and dishonesty. Over and above the effects of Brexit itself, these people will have a catastrophic impact on our politics in general. They are presiding over one of the worst mortality rates in the world, they are repeatedly being exposed for untruthful statements and inconsistencies about their handling of the pandemic. Meanwhile, if you're watching, they seem to be actively trying to make negotiations on a trade deal fail, and grandstanding about this for the benefit of a domestic audience that surely has better things to care about now, and only this week conceding that there will be customs checks in the Irish sea (which BJ swore wasn't the case repeatedly). And the new immigration policy despite all the good will towards NHS heroes still demands that foreign nurses on low pay will have to pay a surcharge to get treatment in case they get ill on top of already paying their taxes and NI like the rest of us. It's nuts. It's extremism, cynicism, the very worst mainstream British politicians I've ever known - in total control during the biggest crisis of our lifetimes.
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Great post.
It’s an utterly depressing state of affairs.
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It is, but let’s not pretend that this is a new concept. It’s been the same since the Egyptian pharaohs were in shorts!!
We will get there eventually, of that I have no doubt. There has been significant progress too, slow but as I say, we’ll get there at some point.
When I say get there I mean a Star Trek-like utopia/implemented philosophy
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
This appeal to unity, regarding Brexit, is so flawed. The whole bloody fiasco has caused a division in this country unseen for generations. This war time rhetoric is just bullshiiiiiit.
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As soon as it looked like no deal Brexit was a distinct possibility last year, the ar5e dropped out of my business as everyone stopped any capital spend.
Covid 19 has been easy in comparison for me.
I’ve read an article the other day which was an eye opener on Brexit and its impact on business during the Covid crisis.
Basically, all the preparations businesses have made or should have made are now pointless.
Stockpiling is not possible anymore because lack of cash flow. Cash flow which has been used to go through this pandemic.
Ensuring and adjusting supply chain will be difficult because goods have been held up or at worst lots of companies have or will potentially go bankrupt.
Because of the new social distancing, some companies will have to run at 40-50% capacity. Not great when you’re trying to rebuild capital after few weeks of inactivity.
For those who contribute to the political thread will be aware I've followed the process fairly closely, and spent a number of years researching Brexit, and wider trade policy. It's still a minefield of complexity.
In regard to the 'landing zone' there is absolutely nothing that suggests there will be anything to be remotely positive about for 'joe public'
The trade community are scratching their collective heads in disbelief, on how badly the current (future relationship) FTA negotiations are going.
It's damage limitation and nothing more.
They’re just being negative nancies (as are the government that have basically admitted as such).
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
For those who contribute to the political thread will be aware I've followed the process fairly closely, and spent a number of years researching Brexit, and wider trade policy. It's still a minefield of complexity.
In regard to the 'landing zone' there is absolutely nothing that suggests there will be anything to be remotely positive about for 'joe public'
The trade community are scratching their collective heads in disbelief, on how badly the current (future relationship) FTA negotiations are going.
It's damage limitation and nothing more.
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Was always going to be such a minefield. Whether the following gets backlash or not; I still can’t for the life of me understand why so many people voted leave. Excluding those that fell for the racist propaganda nonsense that was spouted at the time I.e ‘let’s get them foreigners out of our country’.
I cannot even get my head around all of the complexity of the repercussions and factors to be considered; it’s just endless
Leave did not win, it was the Russians that rigged it all in. They now have Trump, Boris, Brexit and Cambridge Analytica.
The world now is like being on a water slide. You have no choice but to just sit there and wait to see where the makers of the slide finished it at. You're already in too deep, not enough grip, too slippery to jump off the slide and you can't climb back up a slide either.
Might as well enjoy the ride.
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
We are on our own now. As Europe recovers from the pandemic together as a team, the Brits have sailed off into the sunset of crash and burn.
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 11 hours, 32 minutes ago
Brexit - good news for British farming and fishing industry from what I understand of it. Buy British. Bring it back. Tighter controls on immigration. More jobs available for Brits. Less Polski Slop minimarkets. Tesco rules OK!
Discuss.
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Why do so many people focus on the fishing industry, it is a miniscule industry in the grand scheme of things. Our main industry these days are the service industries, financial, hospitality, tourism, etc and all three have just about been wiped out last couple of months.
Catching a few more cod in the North Sea aint going to save the British Economy, and the country from disaster.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 11 hours, 32 minutes ago
Brexit - good news for British farming and fishing industry from what I understand of it. Buy British. Bring it back. Tighter controls on immigration. More jobs available for Brits. Less Polski Slop minimarkets. Tesco rules OK!
Discuss.
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#
Why do so many people focus on the fishing industry, it is a miniscule industry in the grand scheme of things. Our main industry these days are the service industries, financial, hospitality, tourism, etc and all three have just about been wiped out last couple of months.
Catching a few more cod in the North Sea aint going to save the British Economy, and the country from disaster.
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Mainland Europe enjoy seafood much more than we do, they eat tonnes more of it than we do. Our fishing waters are 1000x more valuable as a bargaining chip than the fishermen or that industrys contribution to our national wealth.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
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If you're on a zero hour contract, for example, you're regarded as employed despite not having the protection and benefits enjoyed by normal contracted workers.
It's nuanced but to say unemployment is at an all time low is a fact but a distortion of the reality.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 11 hours, 32 minutes ago
Brexit - good news for British farming and fishing industry from what I understand of it. Buy British. Bring it back. Tighter controls on immigration. More jobs available for Brits. Less Polski Slop minimarkets. Tesco rules OK!
Discuss.
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#
Why do so many people focus on the fishing industry, it is a miniscule industry in the grand scheme of things. Our main industry these days are the service industries, financial, hospitality, tourism, etc and all three have just about been wiped out last couple of months.
Catching a few more cod in the North Sea aint going to save the British Economy, and the country from disaster.
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Friend of mine is a delivery driver on ZCH. He works as much or as little as he likes. They work very nicely for him. For some they do not work well but you cannot tar all ZHC workers as being exploited by an unfair system.
You also have normal benefits under ZCH - paid sick leave, holiday leave, breaks, training, H&S etc
sorry. response to wrong msg
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
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The Conservatives also amended employment classification whereby you can only work one hour a week, and still be officially classified by the ONS as employed.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
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If you're on a zero hour contract, for example, you're regarded as employed despite not having the protection and benefits enjoyed by normal contracted workers.
It's nuanced but to say unemployment is at an all time low is a fact but a distortion of the reality.
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Less than 3% of the working population so not exactly a huge distortion
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posted on 20/5/20
The point if that automation makes people redundant. The construction industry, as in its ability to provide jobs, would suffer massively.
Would it be more efficient and more cost effective? No doubt. But that doesn’t really help the workforce. And this is the problem with Brexit as it’s not something that will provide more work opportunities as it will damage the already ailing industries as well as the ones that are thriving.
I’m looking forward to seeing who the Tories blame for this next.
posted on 20/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
posted 15 minutes ago
It's happening already. And we're playing at it.
If the govt., I know they're sht, but if they give the right push, we could start to angle towards that and have something to look forward to and aim for. Whilst focussing education on this even more than they already are.
Doesn't take long to train people in this sector with the right leadership and candidates.
To give one example in a leading sector, I was talking to a surgeon in a Birmingham hospital and he said Theatre time has been reduced by two hours - £1200 per hour, just by the surgeon being able to 3D Print a model for £5 and use it to plan surgery, entry angles, etc.
That's per operation. So finacial and more importantly, massive health benefits.
And obviously every surgeon around the country can use this technique.
We're now talking medical devices.
But have the government put together a proposal for implementing these huge savings in our NHS hospitals?
Don't think so.
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Do you want the answer?
Money
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed!
They don't want to disrupt the expensive supply chain they have going that feeds the bloodlines that reign supreme, whoever they are.
It ain't facking Boris Johnson haha.
posted on 20/5/20
The Tories will do what suits their own interests and those of the business people that fund their campaigns. It is Boris Johnson.
posted on 20/5/20
In addition to the economic damage to our country at a time when our economy needs all the support it can get, Brexit has been linked to the advent of a really malign development in our democracy: that of populist distrust of the complexity of reality, of science and experts, and the accompanying elevation of PR over policy and a willingness to lie and to be lied to.
We now have not only a Brexit-supporting government, but basically the leaders of the Vote Leave campaign running the show, with their simplistic recipes and dishonesty. Over and above the effects of Brexit itself, these people will have a catastrophic impact on our politics in general. They are presiding over one of the worst mortality rates in the world, they are repeatedly being exposed for untruthful statements and inconsistencies about their handling of the pandemic. Meanwhile, if you're watching, they seem to be actively trying to make negotiations on a trade deal fail, and grandstanding about this for the benefit of a domestic audience that surely has better things to care about now, and only this week conceding that there will be customs checks in the Irish sea (which BJ swore wasn't the case repeatedly). And the new immigration policy despite all the good will towards NHS heroes still demands that foreign nurses on low pay will have to pay a surcharge to get treatment in case they get ill on top of already paying their taxes and NI like the rest of us. It's nuts. It's extremism, cynicism, the very worst mainstream British politicians I've ever known - in total control during the biggest crisis of our lifetimes.
posted on 20/5/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 seconds ago
In addition to the economic damage to our country at a time when our economy needs all the support it can get, Brexit has been linked to the advent of a really malign development in our democracy: that of populist distrust of the complexity of reality, of science and experts, and the accompanying elevation of PR over policy and a willingness to lie and to be lied to.
We now have not only a Brexit-supporting government, but basically the leaders of the Vote Leave campaign running the show, with their simplistic recipes and dishonesty. Over and above the effects of Brexit itself, these people will have a catastrophic impact on our politics in general. They are presiding over one of the worst mortality rates in the world, they are repeatedly being exposed for untruthful statements and inconsistencies about their handling of the pandemic. Meanwhile, if you're watching, they seem to be actively trying to make negotiations on a trade deal fail, and grandstanding about this for the benefit of a domestic audience that surely has better things to care about now, and only this week conceding that there will be customs checks in the Irish sea (which BJ swore wasn't the case repeatedly). And the new immigration policy despite all the good will towards NHS heroes still demands that foreign nurses on low pay will have to pay a surcharge to get treatment in case they get ill on top of already paying their taxes and NI like the rest of us. It's nuts. It's extremism, cynicism, the very worst mainstream British politicians I've ever known - in total control during the biggest crisis of our lifetimes.
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Yeah.. but we should be getting through it together though!! Smiles all round!!
posted on 20/5/20
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
In addition to the economic damage to our country at a time when our economy needs all the support it can get, Brexit has been linked to the advent of a really malign development in our democracy: that of populist distrust of the complexity of reality, of science and experts, and the accompanying elevation of PR over policy and a willingness to lie and to be lied to.
We now have not only a Brexit-supporting government, but basically the leaders of the Vote Leave campaign running the show, with their simplistic recipes and dishonesty. Over and above the effects of Brexit itself, these people will have a catastrophic impact on our politics in general. They are presiding over one of the worst mortality rates in the world, they are repeatedly being exposed for untruthful statements and inconsistencies about their handling of the pandemic. Meanwhile, if you're watching, they seem to be actively trying to make negotiations on a trade deal fail, and grandstanding about this for the benefit of a domestic audience that surely has better things to care about now, and only this week conceding that there will be customs checks in the Irish sea (which BJ swore wasn't the case repeatedly). And the new immigration policy despite all the good will towards NHS heroes still demands that foreign nurses on low pay will have to pay a surcharge to get treatment in case they get ill on top of already paying their taxes and NI like the rest of us. It's nuts. It's extremism, cynicism, the very worst mainstream British politicians I've ever known - in total control during the biggest crisis of our lifetimes.
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Great post.
It’s an utterly depressing state of affairs.
posted on 20/5/20
I thought for a moment that was Jeremy Corbin having a rant but then realised he doesn't know most of those big words. See the dog. See the dog run. That's about his level.
.
posted on 20/5/20
Some good news to come out of all this. At least footballers will stop them stupid handshakes now.
posted on 20/5/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
In addition to the economic damage to our country at a time when our economy needs all the support it can get, Brexit has been linked to the advent of a really malign development in our democracy: that of populist distrust of the complexity of reality, of science and experts, and the accompanying elevation of PR over policy and a willingness to lie and to be lied to.
We now have not only a Brexit-supporting government, but basically the leaders of the Vote Leave campaign running the show, with their simplistic recipes and dishonesty. Over and above the effects of Brexit itself, these people will have a catastrophic impact on our politics in general. They are presiding over one of the worst mortality rates in the world, they are repeatedly being exposed for untruthful statements and inconsistencies about their handling of the pandemic. Meanwhile, if you're watching, they seem to be actively trying to make negotiations on a trade deal fail, and grandstanding about this for the benefit of a domestic audience that surely has better things to care about now, and only this week conceding that there will be customs checks in the Irish sea (which BJ swore wasn't the case repeatedly). And the new immigration policy despite all the good will towards NHS heroes still demands that foreign nurses on low pay will have to pay a surcharge to get treatment in case they get ill on top of already paying their taxes and NI like the rest of us. It's nuts. It's extremism, cynicism, the very worst mainstream British politicians I've ever known - in total control during the biggest crisis of our lifetimes.
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Great post.
It’s an utterly depressing state of affairs.
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It is, but let’s not pretend that this is a new concept. It’s been the same since the Egyptian pharaohs were in shorts!!
We will get there eventually, of that I have no doubt. There has been significant progress too, slow but as I say, we’ll get there at some point.
When I say get there I mean a Star Trek-like utopia/implemented philosophy
posted on 20/5/20
comment by Joe The King Exotic (U10026)
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
This appeal to unity, regarding Brexit, is so flawed. The whole bloody fiasco has caused a division in this country unseen for generations. This war time rhetoric is just bullshiiiiiit.
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posted on 20/5/20
As soon as it looked like no deal Brexit was a distinct possibility last year, the ar5e dropped out of my business as everyone stopped any capital spend.
Covid 19 has been easy in comparison for me.
posted on 20/5/20
I’ve read an article the other day which was an eye opener on Brexit and its impact on business during the Covid crisis.
Basically, all the preparations businesses have made or should have made are now pointless.
Stockpiling is not possible anymore because lack of cash flow. Cash flow which has been used to go through this pandemic.
Ensuring and adjusting supply chain will be difficult because goods have been held up or at worst lots of companies have or will potentially go bankrupt.
Because of the new social distancing, some companies will have to run at 40-50% capacity. Not great when you’re trying to rebuild capital after few weeks of inactivity.
posted on 20/5/20
For those who contribute to the political thread will be aware I've followed the process fairly closely, and spent a number of years researching Brexit, and wider trade policy. It's still a minefield of complexity.
In regard to the 'landing zone' there is absolutely nothing that suggests there will be anything to be remotely positive about for 'joe public'
The trade community are scratching their collective heads in disbelief, on how badly the current (future relationship) FTA negotiations are going.
It's damage limitation and nothing more.
posted on 20/5/20
They’re just being negative nancies (as are the government that have basically admitted as such).
posted on 20/5/20
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 9 minutes ago
For those who contribute to the political thread will be aware I've followed the process fairly closely, and spent a number of years researching Brexit, and wider trade policy. It's still a minefield of complexity.
In regard to the 'landing zone' there is absolutely nothing that suggests there will be anything to be remotely positive about for 'joe public'
The trade community are scratching their collective heads in disbelief, on how badly the current (future relationship) FTA negotiations are going.
It's damage limitation and nothing more.
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Was always going to be such a minefield. Whether the following gets backlash or not; I still can’t for the life of me understand why so many people voted leave. Excluding those that fell for the racist propaganda nonsense that was spouted at the time I.e ‘let’s get them foreigners out of our country’.
I cannot even get my head around all of the complexity of the repercussions and factors to be considered; it’s just endless
posted on 21/5/20
Leave did not win, it was the Russians that rigged it all in. They now have Trump, Boris, Brexit and Cambridge Analytica.
The world now is like being on a water slide. You have no choice but to just sit there and wait to see where the makers of the slide finished it at. You're already in too deep, not enough grip, too slippery to jump off the slide and you can't climb back up a slide either.
Might as well enjoy the ride.
posted on 21/5/20
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
We are on our own now. As Europe recovers from the pandemic together as a team, the Brits have sailed off into the sunset of crash and burn.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 11 hours, 32 minutes ago
Brexit - good news for British farming and fishing industry from what I understand of it. Buy British. Bring it back. Tighter controls on immigration. More jobs available for Brits. Less Polski Slop minimarkets. Tesco rules OK!
Discuss.
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#
Why do so many people focus on the fishing industry, it is a miniscule industry in the grand scheme of things. Our main industry these days are the service industries, financial, hospitality, tourism, etc and all three have just about been wiped out last couple of months.
Catching a few more cod in the North Sea aint going to save the British Economy, and the country from disaster.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 11 hours, 32 minutes ago
Brexit - good news for British farming and fishing industry from what I understand of it. Buy British. Bring it back. Tighter controls on immigration. More jobs available for Brits. Less Polski Slop minimarkets. Tesco rules OK!
Discuss.
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Why do so many people focus on the fishing industry, it is a miniscule industry in the grand scheme of things. Our main industry these days are the service industries, financial, hospitality, tourism, etc and all three have just about been wiped out last couple of months.
Catching a few more cod in the North Sea aint going to save the British Economy, and the country from disaster.
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Mainland Europe enjoy seafood much more than we do, they eat tonnes more of it than we do. Our fishing waters are 1000x more valuable as a bargaining chip than the fishermen or that industrys contribution to our national wealth.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
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If you're on a zero hour contract, for example, you're regarded as employed despite not having the protection and benefits enjoyed by normal contracted workers.
It's nuanced but to say unemployment is at an all time low is a fact but a distortion of the reality.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by goadocwatson (U1016)
posted 11 hours, 32 minutes ago
Brexit - good news for British farming and fishing industry from what I understand of it. Buy British. Bring it back. Tighter controls on immigration. More jobs available for Brits. Less Polski Slop minimarkets. Tesco rules OK!
Discuss.
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Why do so many people focus on the fishing industry, it is a miniscule industry in the grand scheme of things. Our main industry these days are the service industries, financial, hospitality, tourism, etc and all three have just about been wiped out last couple of months.
Catching a few more cod in the North Sea aint going to save the British Economy, and the country from disaster.
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Friend of mine is a delivery driver on ZCH. He works as much or as little as he likes. They work very nicely for him. For some they do not work well but you cannot tar all ZHC workers as being exploited by an unfair system.
You also have normal benefits under ZCH - paid sick leave, holiday leave, breaks, training, H&S etc
posted on 21/5/20
sorry. response to wrong msg
posted on 21/5/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
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The Conservatives also amended employment classification whereby you can only work one hour a week, and still be officially classified by the ONS as employed.
posted on 21/5/20
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 hour, 47 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 35 minutes ago
The only thing that is certain that mass unemployment is coming and all those Northerners who voted Tory are going to be the first casualties. Well done fellas, you got what you voted for. You were warned.
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What a silly comment
The unemployment rate of the United Kingdom in 2019 was 3.8 percent, the lowest it has been since the mid-1970s. From 2000 until the 2008 financial crash the unemployment rate in the UK fluctuated between 4.8 and 5.7 percent, before it rose suddenly in 2009 to 7.6 percent. After peaking at 8.1 percent in 2011, the unemployment rate gradually declined before returning to the levels seen in the early 2000s by 2015
Tory governments got the unemployment rate lower than it was even during the boom years under Labour governments.
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If you're on a zero hour contract, for example, you're regarded as employed despite not having the protection and benefits enjoyed by normal contracted workers.
It's nuanced but to say unemployment is at an all time low is a fact but a distortion of the reality.
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Less than 3% of the working population so not exactly a huge distortion
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