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posted on 22/5/20

You have 5 more years of Tory austerity tolook forward to.

posted on 22/5/20

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 2 minutes ago

You have 5 more years of Tory austerity tolook forward to.

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But Bojo, the clown, said no return to austerity.

He wouldn't lie - would he?

posted on 22/5/20

comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 4 minutes ago
You have 5 more years of Tory austerity tolook forward to.
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Thanks a lot, bears*.

*Not Zach, obviously.

posted on 22/5/20

comment by Schrödinger (U9373)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 2 minutes ago

You have 5 more years of Tory austerity tolook forward to.

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But Bojo, the clown, said no return to austerity.

He wouldn't lie - would he?
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After the give away multi billion £ from Bojo and chums, they need to take a step back and consider what matters. Who knows?

posted on 22/5/20

Yes fack the palace of westminister

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 22/5/20

Like most things it is complex.

On the WM repair there is no doubt it is an iconic structure, A-listed, world heritage yadda and the question is do we want to retain that or let it slip into the Thames. If we retain it that is the cost. Gov are fooked either way. Other countries maintain their old buildings. Is it right? That is another debate.

Ditto HS1/2 - should bring benefits. Our transport like many things is an embarrassment but we need to get past 'what we can afford' to 'what do we need' and what is the right things to do, within reason.

All this is predicated on successive 2 party politics largely afraid to level with Joe Public how much stuff costs and instead sell dreams about how they can do it better with the same or less and it rarely works like that in real life.

Sure the NHS could save more money but it is limited. Healthcare and pensions our 2 biggest pots take half the budget.

Nobody lines up for tax rises, I get that, and govs are not the most efficient of spenders, but we need to have the debate about what do we want. Corbyn went all in last time promising £1.3trn - yes trillion - of spending over 5 years - a 40% increase but said the ordinary man in the street wouldn't need to pay more. Nobody believed him.

posted on 22/5/20

comment by Schrödinger (U9373)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Dalriada Gael -Tree Trees (U4356)
posted 2 minutes ago

You have 5 more years of Tory austerity tolook forward to.

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But Bojo, the clown, said no return to austerity.

He wouldn't lie - would he?
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How would you return to something you never left?

comment by Tomkins (U1116)

posted on 22/5/20

Friday night mate. Liven up

posted on 22/5/20

Who in their right mind would believe Corbyn. He's just a naughty little boy who tells lies because a bigger boy has the ball and won't let him have it.

posted on 22/5/20

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 56 minutes ago
Like most things it is complex.

On the WM repair there is no doubt it is an iconic structure, A-listed, world heritage yadda and the question is do we want to retain that or let it slip into the Thames. If we retain it that is the cost. Gov are fooked either way. Other countries maintain their old buildings. Is it right? That is another debate.

Ditto HS1/2 - should bring benefits. Our transport like many things is an embarrassment but we need to get past 'what we can afford' to 'what do we need' and what is the right things to do, within reason.

All this is predicated on successive 2 party politics largely afraid to level with Joe Public how much stuff costs and instead sell dreams about how they can do it better with the same or less and it rarely works like that in real life.

Sure the NHS could save more money but it is limited. Healthcare and pensions our 2 biggest pots take half the budget.

Nobody lines up for tax rises, I get that, and govs are not the most efficient of spenders, but we need to have the debate about what do we want. Corbyn went all in last time promising £1.3trn - yes trillion - of spending over 5 years - a 40% increase but said the ordinary man in the street wouldn't need to pay more. Nobody believed him.
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They’d do well to sign over Westminster to the English Heritage/National Trust and set up parliament more central in the U.K.

posted on 22/5/20

I've watched Scottish government pour money down the drain on the tram here in Edinburgh. Plenty of other examples of vanity projects too. Someone needs to take a look at these

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 22/5/20

YASSSSSS!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52779356

posted on 22/5/20

How would you return to something you never left?
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I shouldn’t laugh

posted on 22/5/20

Who in their right mind would believe Corbyn.
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Confused.com

comment by Miller (U9310)

posted on 23/5/20

comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
I've watched Scottish government pour money down the drain on the tram here in Edinburgh. Plenty of other examples of vanity projects too. Someone needs to take a look at these
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I might be wrong but I think that was Edinburgh City Council

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 23/5/20

comment by Miller (U9310)
posted 5 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by council bin man (U21986)
posted 4 hours, 40 minutes ago
I've watched Scottish government pour money down the drain on the tram here in Edinburgh. Plenty of other examples of vanity projects too. Someone needs to take a look at these
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I might be wrong but I think that was Edinburgh City Council
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Indeed, the minority (at the time) SNP gov tried to kill the project but were defeated but escaped with capping the public money used. A good decision given the decade of cost overruns, contractor changes, route cancellations and public unrest that followed involving the car-hating ECC.

Perversely, I think it is the ‘kind’ of large project I approve of in principle. The issue we often face is the overly optimistic initial cost estimate in order to get the project off the ground and started in the hope that once the inevitable risks become issues we are too fully invested to call a halt and the realistic costs escalate. Another issue is the consortia / partnership structure of too many deals that leads to finger pointing when things go wrong.

posted on 23/5/20

A government work program may be required to get the economy back on track

posted on 23/5/20

comment by Demented Joe Hiding v Orange Baffoon (U21917)
posted 55 minutes ago
A government work program may be required to get the economy back on track
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We’ll need a hell of a lot more than that.

posted on 23/5/20

I don’t think the upkeep of historical buildings or improvements in the transport infrastructure are vanity projects

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 23/5/20

Yes and no, duke.

Our history attracts tourists, no more so than in London. WM is iconic, no doubt. But £8bn is 5% of our total UK health spend on a sinking and crumbling building that is wholly criticised for not being fit for purpose! it would go a very long way to build an equally iconic replacement, perhaps retaining Big Ben? Doesn't solve the issue of being underwater once the ice cap melts but I guess we'll have bigger concerns by then?

posted on 23/5/20

Speaking of vanity projects..

I see Morelos reckons Liverpool are looking at him.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

posted on 23/5/20

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 40 minutes ago
Yes and no, duke.

Our history attracts tourists, no more so than in London. WM is iconic, no doubt. But £8bn is 5% of our total UK health spend on a sinking and crumbling building that is wholly criticised for not being fit for purpose! it would go a very long way to build an equally iconic replacement, perhaps retaining Big Ben? Doesn't solve the issue of being underwater once the ice cap melts but I guess we'll have bigger concerns by then?
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It is a fek off ridiculous amount of money
Not sure on time scale for it
But where do we draw a line on heritage

Windsor Edinburgh castles must cost to keep up

I’m sure in time we woukd regret not looking after the past

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 23/5/20

The places you mention are in a different league to the many listed crumbling ruins around the country. If the 'historic agencies' had their way nothing would ever get knocked down and nothing would ever move on with the times.

If something is uneconomic to use or maintain properly then we ought to be confident enough to be brutal else the result is decay. Old and new!
- Lennox castle
- Gothic high kirk also Lennoxtown
- The ambulance centre at Cowcaddens
- A fooking gas tower in Edinburgh
- Mecca bingo in Leith

2315 buildings in Scotland alone. https://www.buildingsatrisk.org.uk/

Hobby horses of mine are Union Street and Sauchiehall St from Charing X to Cowcaddens. Since the demise of retail, maybe longer, both have been absolute dumps. Yeah, Union St has some interesting Victoriana but we are not exactly short of it in the city.

Flatten both! Retail is done anyway, let's not pretend. Union Street can either build a fancy extension for cross-border rail, adding needed capacity to Central and / or another big cafe culture square for evening entertainment which is largely what the city is to many people now.

Sauchiehall St make it a green, park corridor all the way from Kelvingrove into the city - join the west end. Knock down some of the grotty terraces at Woodlands - more white elephants of buildings few people want or need. In fact extend that green walkway to Union street then along the Clyde to the green and the cycle paths that converge there.

We need vision of where we are going, not where we have been.

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