comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 51 minutes ago
D’Jeesus
Sandy was probably there as well
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......Which probably renders all these other "YouTube" opinions moot.
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 51 minutes ago
D’Jeesus
Sandy was probably there as well
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......Which probably renders all these other "YouTube" opinions moot.
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Nah, it proves Sandy has awful memory and rose tinted memories.
Jenning was only 6ft too.
There's no pass back now, the balls moves wickedly and teams play higher lines.
I watched Shilton and although steady and reliable I'll take Cech, Seaman or Buffon every time personally.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jenning was only 6ft too.
There's no pass back now, the balls moves wickedly and teams play higher lines.
I watched Shilton and although steady and reliable I'll take Cech, Seaman or Buffon every time personally.
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Nah just posted lots of clips of modern goalies. Most of them are clowns.
Cech and Seaman over Jennings.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
Gary Neville did a little piece on this.
He says the league is at it highest quality. Everything from the number players get, to the sports science, to the distance covered stats and sprints made to the equipment is of a higher standard. There is simply no room for non athletic players snymore either.
Go and look at the state of goalkeepers in general in the past or clips of the likes of Wimbledon, Ipswich and Derby and it's pretty foolish to suggest the quality is low now in comparison.
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Just because the modern players are like athletes, does not in any way make them better footballers. There are some good players, agreed, but there are also lots of headless chickens, just running about at 100 mph, and achieving absolutely nothing with the ball at their feet.
To dismiss players from yesteryear, because they were not as athletic as today`s players is very naive.
Most of the best players I have ever seen did not play in the Prem era.
As for goalkeepers, I would have Jennings, Banks, Shilton etc over any of the modern goalies, who all have serious clangers in them in any given match.
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They didn't have as many clangers as they didn't take the risks that modern keepers do. These risks are a big part in how modern teams play.
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They didn`t let the ball trickle throught their hands like the modern goalies do, they also commanded their area. Most of the modern goalies are useless in the air.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29q_AgUVz6U
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Wow. He must have got a great payment for that one. Went past him at 2mph ffs. Alisson would have done a rabona with that.
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He did his job for Spurs that day. Did anybody seriously think Jennings a Spurs man through and through, was not going to let a goal or two slip through his hands when he played for Arsenal v Spurs. Some of you are very naive.
Is it not obvious that as there were less televised games before the 90's, goalkeeper mistakes would have seemed less common?
Ray Clemence, Manchester United v TOTTENHAM, 1983
Long before Sky’s broadcasts of Friday night football, the BBC screened the first ever live league match on a Friday night in 1983. And what a cracker it turned out to be. Manchester United 4-2 Tottenham was a memorable occasion, but not one that Ray Clemence will want to recall.
Clemence had already let one shot trickle past him before his mistake in the 80th minute. Failing to hold a simple Frank Stapleton header, Clemence was helpless as Kevin Moran fired in the final goal of the match. “And Clemence is mortified,” cried John Motson, as the Spurs goalkeeper laid face-down in the muddy goalmouth in front of the Stretford End. The clanger dominated the back pages but, as we will find out later, this was far from the worst goalkeeping blunder from a Spurs keeper the 1980s.
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Another Spurs great letting the ball trickle in
And far from the worst just by Spurs keepers in the 80s
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 11 minutes ago
Is it not obvious that as there were less televised games before the 90's, goalkeeper mistakes would have seemed less common?
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Well all the games I saw live, I saw very few absolute clangers like in the modern game. Like I said there are some decent players and goalies around today, but I would still take the goalies from Pre Prem to the modern ones. My opinion, posters can take it or leave it.
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/sets/3fe2kffRvE-FIxeV9-WkVg/top-10-goalkeeping-clang
Here`s a few more.
Still awaiting for a comment on all these modern day goalie howlers.
Pictures including Italia 90 to prove modern keepers are worse? Interesting.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jenning was only 6ft too.
There's no pass back now, the balls moves wickedly and teams play higher lines.
I watched Shilton and although steady and reliable I'll take Cech, Seaman or Buffon every time personally.
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Nah just posted lots of clips of modern goalies. Most of them are clowns.
Cech and Seaman over Jennings.
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Yep abdolutely and yiu look a bit silly saying otherwise. Could Jennings even reach to top if tge frame standing?
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
Gary Neville did a little piece on this.
He says the league is at it highest quality. Everything from the number players get, to the sports science, to the distance covered stats and sprints made to the equipment is of a higher standard. There is simply no room for non athletic players snymore either.
Go and look at the state of goalkeepers in general in the past or clips of the likes of Wimbledon, Ipswich and Derby and it's pretty foolish to suggest the quality is low now in comparison.
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Just because the modern players are like athletes, does not in any way make them better footballers. There are some good players, agreed, but there are also lots of headless chickens, just running about at 100 mph, and achieving absolutely nothing with the ball at their feet.
To dismiss players from yesteryear, because they were not as athletic as today`s players is very naive.
Most of the best players I have ever seen did not play in the Prem era.
As for goalkeepers, I would have Jennings, Banks, Shilton etc over any of the modern goalies, who all have serious clangers in them in any given match.
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They didn't have as many clangers as they didn't take the risks that modern keepers do. These risks are a big part in how modern teams play.
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They didn`t let the ball trickle throught their hands like the modern goalies do, they also commanded their area. Most of the modern goalies are useless in the air.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29q_AgUVz6U
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Wow. He must have got a great payment for that one. Went past him at 2mph ffs. Alisson would have done a rabona with that.
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He did his job for Spurs that day. Did anybody seriously think Jennings a Spurs man through and through, was not going to let a goal or two slip through his hands when he played for Arsenal v Spurs. Some of you are very naive.
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So not only were they worse, they were also cheats.
It's an interesting point OP but as a few people have said, I think we can be guilty of romanticising years gone by when in truth a lot of those star names played in different eras.
I still think VVD needs to perform at this level for longer to be remembered as one of the greats, though no doubting his obvious ability.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's an interesting point OP but as a few people have said, I think we can be guilty of romanticising years gone by when in truth a lot of those star names played in different eras.
I still think VVD needs to perform at this level for longer to be remembered as one of the greats, though no doubting his obvious ability.
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Totally agree mate. Sandy does it with his era in over rating the players and making out his era is the best. I’m guilty of it to. It’s still a decent debate to have though.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's an interesting point OP but as a few people have said, I think we can be guilty of romanticising years gone by when in truth a lot of those star names played in different eras.
I still think VVD needs to perform at this level for longer to be remembered as one of the greats, though no doubting his obvious ability.
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Totally agree mate. Sandy does it with his era in over rating the players and making out his era is the best. I’m guilty of it to. It’s still a decent debate to have though.
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Yeh I agree, and would love to see match ups between players of old and the new guard.
Funny how some players had something over others... Torres on Vidic, Cole on Ronaldo to some extent - would be interesting to see if any of those quality players from days gone by might just find a chink in someone like VVD's armour.
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Gary Neville did a little piece on this.
He says the league is at it highest quality. Everything from the number players get, to the sports science, to the distance covered stats and sprints made to the equipment is of a higher standard. There is simply no room for non athletic players snymore either.
Go and look at the state of goalkeepers in general in the past or clips of the likes of Wimbledon, Ipswich and Derby and it's pretty foolish to suggest the quality is low now in comparison.
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I wonder if this view also takes the different quality of facilities and equipment into account.
I'd love to see how prime Petr Cech would fare against a wet round leather bag in little more than glorified gardening gloves.
It would also be interesting to see today's attacking players trying to finesse their way around a poor pitch in boots made of stiff leather.
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Gary Neville did a little piece on this.
He says the league is at it highest quality. Everything from the number players get, to the sports science, to the distance covered stats and sprints made to the equipment is of a higher standard. There is simply no room for non athletic players snymore either.
Go and look at the state of goalkeepers in general in the past or clips of the likes of Wimbledon, Ipswich and Derby and it's pretty foolish to suggest the quality is low now in comparison.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wonder if this view also takes the different quality of facilities and equipment into account.
I'd love to see how prime Petr Cech would fare against a wet round leather bag in little more than glorified gardening gloves.
It would also be interesting to see today's attacking players trying to finesse their way around a poor pitch in boots made of stiff leather.
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Yeah it's a good point but one better seved with outfield players imo. Not just the balls, etc, but the fact opposition players could kick the sh!t out of you.
I'm also not talking about individuals per se. I was watching Liam Brady the other day (I've never seen much if him before tbh) and there is no doubt in my mind he'd be able to cut it now for example and there's a long list of those players too.
I'm talking more generally. Look at the trick and striking techniques now. Young players study and learn and generally overall technique is simply better.
On the flip side I think players have less of the more esoteric attributes such as determination, will to win and general competitiveness.
But I look at the quality of football in general in the early 90's and teams like Ipswich, Swindon, Derby, Oldham, Wimbledon and Charlton would have no place in this Premier League. Forest finished 3rd a with Woan in misfield and Steve Chettle at cb.
comment by *Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} Super European Champions of the World (U2720)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 43 minutes ago
Notice Kunta whilst talking about current greats you struggled to include a Chelsea player...
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Apart from that fact that the first player he named was Hazard
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Notice how I said ‘current’ last time I checked Hazard was a Real player. Joke is on you. Btw the point I was making was a Chelsea fan didn’t include Kante from their current squad as a great - when many would
Yeah it's obviously baallacks
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's an interesting point OP but as a few people have said, I think we can be guilty of romanticising years gone by when in truth a lot of those star names played in different eras.
I still think VVD needs to perform at this level for longer to be remembered as one of the greats, though no doubting his obvious ability.
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Totally agree mate. Sandy does it with his era in over rating the players and making out his era is the best. I’m guilty of it to. It’s still a decent debate to have though.
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Yeh I agree, and would love to see match ups between players of old and the new guard.
Funny how some players had something over others... Torres on Vidic, Cole on Ronaldo to some extent - would be interesting to see if any of those quality players from days gone by might just find a chink in someone like VVD's armour.
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Well that's a different argument. The argument was about VVD being the best defender in the league. Ballack appears to think people believe this because the strikers aren't as good.
I’m aware it’s a different argument, TOOR.
I was saying I think it’s interesting. If you read above, we’d both agreed that Ballack was wrong already.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
I doubt I ever saw one a season that bad pre Prem.
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sandy you failed to mention you didn't have a tv back then.
Well you can only beat what's in front you and so far he has clearly knocked out almost all of his direct striker opponents, so at the very least he's exceptionally consistent and focussed as you would expect from the very best.
If you look purely at his objective qualities like speed, agility, strength and body/frame, it's almost like saying
Floyd Mayweather is lucky he's undefeated because he's born in the right era.
When in fact both of them would be at least world class just based on their physics. It's also not a coincidence that they differentiate themselves from others by intelligence (insights, decision making), as most competitors are almost just as good on the physics side due to advancing professionalism and science.
That said, I believe if you put all the PL forward greats in this era, instead of a flawless streak VVD might have had 1-2 strikers he didn't match up to very well, and have more closer wins on points.
Actually I believe he wouldn't do so well against an Inzaghi / Makaay type striker who lurks in his back and is 'silent' most of the match.
Think a lot of it has to with teams used to set up in a 4-4-2 system which is probably why there were/are better quality strikers then, because partnerships were a thing whereas the only partnership you see now is Chris Wood and Ashley Barnes and they aren't really winning any awards.
I'd say there is more because of the system teams played a few years ago. I get Ballack's point, but it was a different era.
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Prem era players better before ?
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posted on 26/5/20
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 51 minutes ago
D’Jeesus
Sandy was probably there as well
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......Which probably renders all these other "YouTube" opinions moot.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 51 minutes ago
D’Jeesus
Sandy was probably there as well
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......Which probably renders all these other "YouTube" opinions moot.
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Nah, it proves Sandy has awful memory and rose tinted memories.
posted on 26/5/20
Jenning was only 6ft too.
There's no pass back now, the balls moves wickedly and teams play higher lines.
I watched Shilton and although steady and reliable I'll take Cech, Seaman or Buffon every time personally.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jenning was only 6ft too.
There's no pass back now, the balls moves wickedly and teams play higher lines.
I watched Shilton and although steady and reliable I'll take Cech, Seaman or Buffon every time personally.
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Nah just posted lots of clips of modern goalies. Most of them are clowns.
Cech and Seaman over Jennings.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
Gary Neville did a little piece on this.
He says the league is at it highest quality. Everything from the number players get, to the sports science, to the distance covered stats and sprints made to the equipment is of a higher standard. There is simply no room for non athletic players snymore either.
Go and look at the state of goalkeepers in general in the past or clips of the likes of Wimbledon, Ipswich and Derby and it's pretty foolish to suggest the quality is low now in comparison.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just because the modern players are like athletes, does not in any way make them better footballers. There are some good players, agreed, but there are also lots of headless chickens, just running about at 100 mph, and achieving absolutely nothing with the ball at their feet.
To dismiss players from yesteryear, because they were not as athletic as today`s players is very naive.
Most of the best players I have ever seen did not play in the Prem era.
As for goalkeepers, I would have Jennings, Banks, Shilton etc over any of the modern goalies, who all have serious clangers in them in any given match.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They didn't have as many clangers as they didn't take the risks that modern keepers do. These risks are a big part in how modern teams play.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They didn`t let the ball trickle throught their hands like the modern goalies do, they also commanded their area. Most of the modern goalies are useless in the air.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29q_AgUVz6U
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Wow. He must have got a great payment for that one. Went past him at 2mph ffs. Alisson would have done a rabona with that.
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He did his job for Spurs that day. Did anybody seriously think Jennings a Spurs man through and through, was not going to let a goal or two slip through his hands when he played for Arsenal v Spurs. Some of you are very naive.
posted on 26/5/20
Is it not obvious that as there were less televised games before the 90's, goalkeeper mistakes would have seemed less common?
posted on 26/5/20
Ray Clemence, Manchester United v TOTTENHAM, 1983
Long before Sky’s broadcasts of Friday night football, the BBC screened the first ever live league match on a Friday night in 1983. And what a cracker it turned out to be. Manchester United 4-2 Tottenham was a memorable occasion, but not one that Ray Clemence will want to recall.
Clemence had already let one shot trickle past him before his mistake in the 80th minute. Failing to hold a simple Frank Stapleton header, Clemence was helpless as Kevin Moran fired in the final goal of the match. “And Clemence is mortified,” cried John Motson, as the Spurs goalkeeper laid face-down in the muddy goalmouth in front of the Stretford End. The clanger dominated the back pages but, as we will find out later, this was far from the worst goalkeeping blunder from a Spurs keeper the 1980s.
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Another Spurs great letting the ball trickle in
posted on 26/5/20
And far from the worst just by Spurs keepers in the 80s
posted on 26/5/20
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 11 minutes ago
Is it not obvious that as there were less televised games before the 90's, goalkeeper mistakes would have seemed less common?
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Well all the games I saw live, I saw very few absolute clangers like in the modern game. Like I said there are some decent players and goalies around today, but I would still take the goalies from Pre Prem to the modern ones. My opinion, posters can take it or leave it.
posted on 26/5/20
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/sets/3fe2kffRvE-FIxeV9-WkVg/top-10-goalkeeping-clang
Here`s a few more.
Still awaiting for a comment on all these modern day goalie howlers.
posted on 26/5/20
Pictures including Italia 90 to prove modern keepers are worse? Interesting.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
Jenning was only 6ft too.
There's no pass back now, the balls moves wickedly and teams play higher lines.
I watched Shilton and although steady and reliable I'll take Cech, Seaman or Buffon every time personally.
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Nah just posted lots of clips of modern goalies. Most of them are clowns.
Cech and Seaman over Jennings.
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Yep abdolutely and yiu look a bit silly saying otherwise. Could Jennings even reach to top if tge frame standing?
posted on 26/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 24 minutes ago
Gary Neville did a little piece on this.
He says the league is at it highest quality. Everything from the number players get, to the sports science, to the distance covered stats and sprints made to the equipment is of a higher standard. There is simply no room for non athletic players snymore either.
Go and look at the state of goalkeepers in general in the past or clips of the likes of Wimbledon, Ipswich and Derby and it's pretty foolish to suggest the quality is low now in comparison.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Just because the modern players are like athletes, does not in any way make them better footballers. There are some good players, agreed, but there are also lots of headless chickens, just running about at 100 mph, and achieving absolutely nothing with the ball at their feet.
To dismiss players from yesteryear, because they were not as athletic as today`s players is very naive.
Most of the best players I have ever seen did not play in the Prem era.
As for goalkeepers, I would have Jennings, Banks, Shilton etc over any of the modern goalies, who all have serious clangers in them in any given match.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They didn't have as many clangers as they didn't take the risks that modern keepers do. These risks are a big part in how modern teams play.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They didn`t let the ball trickle throught their hands like the modern goalies do, they also commanded their area. Most of the modern goalies are useless in the air.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29q_AgUVz6U
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Wow. He must have got a great payment for that one. Went past him at 2mph ffs. Alisson would have done a rabona with that.
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He did his job for Spurs that day. Did anybody seriously think Jennings a Spurs man through and through, was not going to let a goal or two slip through his hands when he played for Arsenal v Spurs. Some of you are very naive.
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So not only were they worse, they were also cheats.
posted on 26/5/20
It's an interesting point OP but as a few people have said, I think we can be guilty of romanticising years gone by when in truth a lot of those star names played in different eras.
I still think VVD needs to perform at this level for longer to be remembered as one of the greats, though no doubting his obvious ability.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's an interesting point OP but as a few people have said, I think we can be guilty of romanticising years gone by when in truth a lot of those star names played in different eras.
I still think VVD needs to perform at this level for longer to be remembered as one of the greats, though no doubting his obvious ability.
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Totally agree mate. Sandy does it with his era in over rating the players and making out his era is the best. I’m guilty of it to. It’s still a decent debate to have though.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's an interesting point OP but as a few people have said, I think we can be guilty of romanticising years gone by when in truth a lot of those star names played in different eras.
I still think VVD needs to perform at this level for longer to be remembered as one of the greats, though no doubting his obvious ability.
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Totally agree mate. Sandy does it with his era in over rating the players and making out his era is the best. I’m guilty of it to. It’s still a decent debate to have though.
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Yeh I agree, and would love to see match ups between players of old and the new guard.
Funny how some players had something over others... Torres on Vidic, Cole on Ronaldo to some extent - would be interesting to see if any of those quality players from days gone by might just find a chink in someone like VVD's armour.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Gary Neville did a little piece on this.
He says the league is at it highest quality. Everything from the number players get, to the sports science, to the distance covered stats and sprints made to the equipment is of a higher standard. There is simply no room for non athletic players snymore either.
Go and look at the state of goalkeepers in general in the past or clips of the likes of Wimbledon, Ipswich and Derby and it's pretty foolish to suggest the quality is low now in comparison.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wonder if this view also takes the different quality of facilities and equipment into account.
I'd love to see how prime Petr Cech would fare against a wet round leather bag in little more than glorified gardening gloves.
It would also be interesting to see today's attacking players trying to finesse their way around a poor pitch in boots made of stiff leather.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
Gary Neville did a little piece on this.
He says the league is at it highest quality. Everything from the number players get, to the sports science, to the distance covered stats and sprints made to the equipment is of a higher standard. There is simply no room for non athletic players snymore either.
Go and look at the state of goalkeepers in general in the past or clips of the likes of Wimbledon, Ipswich and Derby and it's pretty foolish to suggest the quality is low now in comparison.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wonder if this view also takes the different quality of facilities and equipment into account.
I'd love to see how prime Petr Cech would fare against a wet round leather bag in little more than glorified gardening gloves.
It would also be interesting to see today's attacking players trying to finesse their way around a poor pitch in boots made of stiff leather.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yeah it's a good point but one better seved with outfield players imo. Not just the balls, etc, but the fact opposition players could kick the sh!t out of you.
I'm also not talking about individuals per se. I was watching Liam Brady the other day (I've never seen much if him before tbh) and there is no doubt in my mind he'd be able to cut it now for example and there's a long list of those players too.
I'm talking more generally. Look at the trick and striking techniques now. Young players study and learn and generally overall technique is simply better.
On the flip side I think players have less of the more esoteric attributes such as determination, will to win and general competitiveness.
But I look at the quality of football in general in the early 90's and teams like Ipswich, Swindon, Derby, Oldham, Wimbledon and Charlton would have no place in this Premier League. Forest finished 3rd a with Woan in misfield and Steve Chettle at cb.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by *Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} Super European Champions of the World (U2720)
posted 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by TobyJanKaneobi (U15068)
posted 43 minutes ago
Notice Kunta whilst talking about current greats you struggled to include a Chelsea player...
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Apart from that fact that the first player he named was Hazard
———————
Notice how I said ‘current’ last time I checked Hazard was a Real player. Joke is on you. Btw the point I was making was a Chelsea fan didn’t include Kante from their current squad as a great - when many would
posted on 26/5/20
Yeah it's obviously baallacks
posted on 26/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's an interesting point OP but as a few people have said, I think we can be guilty of romanticising years gone by when in truth a lot of those star names played in different eras.
I still think VVD needs to perform at this level for longer to be remembered as one of the greats, though no doubting his obvious ability.
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Totally agree mate. Sandy does it with his era in over rating the players and making out his era is the best. I’m guilty of it to. It’s still a decent debate to have though.
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Yeh I agree, and would love to see match ups between players of old and the new guard.
Funny how some players had something over others... Torres on Vidic, Cole on Ronaldo to some extent - would be interesting to see if any of those quality players from days gone by might just find a chink in someone like VVD's armour.
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Well that's a different argument. The argument was about VVD being the best defender in the league. Ballack appears to think people believe this because the strikers aren't as good.
posted on 26/5/20
I’m aware it’s a different argument, TOOR.
I was saying I think it’s interesting. If you read above, we’d both agreed that Ballack was wrong already.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 3 hours, 53 minutes ago
I doubt I ever saw one a season that bad pre Prem.
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sandy you failed to mention you didn't have a tv back then.
posted on 26/5/20
Well you can only beat what's in front you and so far he has clearly knocked out almost all of his direct striker opponents, so at the very least he's exceptionally consistent and focussed as you would expect from the very best.
If you look purely at his objective qualities like speed, agility, strength and body/frame, it's almost like saying
Floyd Mayweather is lucky he's undefeated because he's born in the right era.
When in fact both of them would be at least world class just based on their physics. It's also not a coincidence that they differentiate themselves from others by intelligence (insights, decision making), as most competitors are almost just as good on the physics side due to advancing professionalism and science.
That said, I believe if you put all the PL forward greats in this era, instead of a flawless streak VVD might have had 1-2 strikers he didn't match up to very well, and have more closer wins on points.
Actually I believe he wouldn't do so well against an Inzaghi / Makaay type striker who lurks in his back and is 'silent' most of the match.
posted on 26/5/20
Think a lot of it has to with teams used to set up in a 4-4-2 system which is probably why there were/are better quality strikers then, because partnerships were a thing whereas the only partnership you see now is Chris Wood and Ashley Barnes and they aren't really winning any awards.
I'd say there is more because of the system teams played a few years ago. I get Ballack's point, but it was a different era.
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