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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
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So when Barca were at their best they weren't an indicator as to who are world class players, but now are
That is the most ridiculous way of classing a player I have ever heard.
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When Barca were at their best the trash you mentioned barely warmed Barcelona B's bench.
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Your definition was if Barca or Real interested in them. They were so interested in them they signed themyou daft , backtracking, caaant.
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Haven't you got a 20,000 word essay about some obscure point in the history of football to be drafting for us to skip over?
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No, I am too busy laughing at your awful opinion.
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posted 27 seconds ago
However, I think Salah flatters to deceive
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Erm, do you know what that phrase means?
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Yea, it means he scores loads of goals, but drifts in and out of a lot of games without doing much.
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posted 42 seconds ago
No, I am too busy laughing at your awful opinion.
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It;s obvious that you're hurting over the complete lack of valid argument to be made for any Arsenal player to appear on this list. Don't ever bring up the name Alex Song on a thread discussing world class footballers ever again. Even in jest it demonstrates your complete disregard for everyone who has given the life to the game.
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comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 seconds ago
No, I am too busy laughing at your awful opinion.
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It;s obvious that you're hurting over the complete lack of valid argument to be made for any Arsenal player to appear on this list. Don't ever bring up the name Alex Song on a thread discussing world class footballers ever again. Even in jest it demonstrates your complete disregard for everyone who has given the life to the game.
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Alex Song was brought up to illustrate how facking idiotic your opinion was. The quickness in which you backtracked and tried to redefine that comment
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posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 15 seconds ago
Secondly didn’t ‘world class’ Juventus lose to Lyon?
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If Juventus lost home and away to Lyon I would not consider them world class. But they haven't and they would have likely comfortably beaten Lyon at home and progressed easily had they had the opportunity.
Have the humility to accept that (sadly) Liverpool are world class.
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They are not. Compare them to PSG or Bayern Munich and there's a difference. They're almost there but they're lacking something. one or two players away.
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Yeah there is a difference, we're better than them.
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You think you're better than PSG or Bayern Munich
Have you seen how good Bayern are? They humiliated Chelsea and Tottenham. Lewandowski is on another level to any player in the PL aside from De Bruyne.
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We gave them a good beating in Germany last time we played mate.
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 27 seconds ago
However, I think Salah flatters to deceive
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Erm, do you know what that phrase means?
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Yea, it means he scores loads of goals, but drifts in and out of a lot of games without doing much.
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Is that what it means? See, I would argue that 90 odd goals and 30 odd assists in about 140 games suggests he very rarely doesn't produce what he is expected/ what people would expect of him. You can then add in key goals against most of our big rivals, a goal in a CL final, CL semi final, Quarter finals etc etc. And to say he drifts out of games when a huge part of our attacking play goes through him is another bold claim.
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Yea, but that doesn't detract from my opinion that he comes with such a reputation that when I have the pleasure of watching Liverpool I expect him to be an entertainer on the level or Ronaldo, Messi or Henry, when in fact he often contributes very little for large parts of a game, can be sloppy in possession, but invariably manages to fumble the ball over the line at some point after Mane (the better player in my opinion) has done all the hard graft.
He's a very good player, but he doesn't make my PL XI and it's not even close.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 seconds ago
No, I am too busy laughing at your awful opinion.
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It;s obvious that you're hurting over the complete lack of valid argument to be made for any Arsenal player to appear on this list. Don't ever bring up the name Alex Song on a thread discussing world class footballers ever again. Even in jest it demonstrates your complete disregard for everyone who has given the life to the game.
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Alex Song was brought up to illustrate how facking idiotic your opinion was. The quickness in which you backtracked and tried to redefine that comment
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Nah, Alex Song was brought up because you were bored. I can define and redefine world class however I wish. As you can see from the myriad definitions in this thread, there's no clear cut answer. In my head I have a vision of what world class is, and I don't think many, if any, currently in the PL live up to it. If putting you in one of the best sides of an era would weaken their XI then you aren't world class. Putting Song or Hleb in the Barca XI made them weaker, hence they didn't last.
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comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 3 minutes ago
Barcelona were and are a better team than Liverpool. This isn’t (or it shouldn’t be) up for debate
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Were a couple of years ago, they aren't now
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Yes they are. I think Van Dijk and Trent are the only players who’d get in the Barcelona team.
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But that's you doing this thing again where you compare individual players in the team and not the team as a whole. Whilst I disagree VVD and TAA are the only players that wont get in the team, I'd have the whole back five for a start, it's not about individual players, it's about the team.
because he doesn't entertain you in the way you expect, he isn't deemed as world class and flatters to deceive your own idea of how you think he should play?
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Precisely.
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For me, to be world class, a player has to be successful in La Liga, Premier League, Bundesliga and Seria A, and win the World Cup, Champions League, Copa Libertadores, European Championships, Copa America, AFCON, the Gold Cup and the 100m Olympic gold.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me, to be world class, a player has to be successful in La Liga, Premier League, Bundesliga and Seria A, and win the World Cup, Champions League, Copa Libertadores, European Championships, Copa America, AFCON, the Gold Cup and the 100m Olympic gold.
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Got anybody in mind?
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me, to be world class, a player has to be successful in La Liga, Premier League, Bundesliga and Seria A, and win the World Cup, Champions League, Copa Libertadores, European Championships, Copa America, AFCON, the Gold Cup and the 100m Olympic gold.
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Got anybody in mind?
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Kim Jong-un.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me, to be world class, a player has to be successful in La Liga, Premier League, Bundesliga and Seria A, and win the World Cup, Champions League, Copa Libertadores, European Championships, Copa America, AFCON, the Gold Cup and the 100m Olympic gold.
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Got anybody in mind?
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Kim Jong-un.
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He's world class alright.
I'd say a player who can produce some of the highest quality for their respective position consistently at the top level.
The only one's I disagree with in the OP are Pogba (as we've established), Kane I think should be by this point and Alisson.
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posted on 26/5/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 25 seconds ago
So when Barca were at their best they weren't an indicator as to who are world class players, but now are
That is the most ridiculous way of classing a player I have ever heard.
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When Barca were at their best the trash you mentioned barely warmed Barcelona B's bench.
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Your definition was if Barca or Real interested in them. They were so interested in them they signed themyou daft , backtracking, caaant.
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Haven't you got a 20,000 word essay about some obscure point in the history of football to be drafting for us to skip over?
posted on 26/5/20
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posted on 26/5/20
No, I am too busy laughing at your awful opinion.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 27 seconds ago
However, I think Salah flatters to deceive
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Erm, do you know what that phrase means?
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Yea, it means he scores loads of goals, but drifts in and out of a lot of games without doing much.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 seconds ago
No, I am too busy laughing at your awful opinion.
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It;s obvious that you're hurting over the complete lack of valid argument to be made for any Arsenal player to appear on this list. Don't ever bring up the name Alex Song on a thread discussing world class footballers ever again. Even in jest it demonstrates your complete disregard for everyone who has given the life to the game.
posted on 26/5/20
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posted on 26/5/20
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 seconds ago
No, I am too busy laughing at your awful opinion.
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It;s obvious that you're hurting over the complete lack of valid argument to be made for any Arsenal player to appear on this list. Don't ever bring up the name Alex Song on a thread discussing world class footballers ever again. Even in jest it demonstrates your complete disregard for everyone who has given the life to the game.
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Alex Song was brought up to illustrate how facking idiotic your opinion was. The quickness in which you backtracked and tried to redefine that comment
posted on 26/5/20
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
comment by Hendo's Trophy Shuffle (U1217)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 15 seconds ago
Secondly didn’t ‘world class’ Juventus lose to Lyon?
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If Juventus lost home and away to Lyon I would not consider them world class. But they haven't and they would have likely comfortably beaten Lyon at home and progressed easily had they had the opportunity.
Have the humility to accept that (sadly) Liverpool are world class.
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They are not. Compare them to PSG or Bayern Munich and there's a difference. They're almost there but they're lacking something. one or two players away.
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Yeah there is a difference, we're better than them.
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You think you're better than PSG or Bayern Munich
Have you seen how good Bayern are? They humiliated Chelsea and Tottenham. Lewandowski is on another level to any player in the PL aside from De Bruyne.
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We gave them a good beating in Germany last time we played mate.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 27 seconds ago
However, I think Salah flatters to deceive
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Erm, do you know what that phrase means?
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Yea, it means he scores loads of goals, but drifts in and out of a lot of games without doing much.
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Is that what it means? See, I would argue that 90 odd goals and 30 odd assists in about 140 games suggests he very rarely doesn't produce what he is expected/ what people would expect of him. You can then add in key goals against most of our big rivals, a goal in a CL final, CL semi final, Quarter finals etc etc. And to say he drifts out of games when a huge part of our attacking play goes through him is another bold claim.
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Yea, but that doesn't detract from my opinion that he comes with such a reputation that when I have the pleasure of watching Liverpool I expect him to be an entertainer on the level or Ronaldo, Messi or Henry, when in fact he often contributes very little for large parts of a game, can be sloppy in possession, but invariably manages to fumble the ball over the line at some point after Mane (the better player in my opinion) has done all the hard graft.
He's a very good player, but he doesn't make my PL XI and it's not even close.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Lambeau Leap (U21050)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 42 seconds ago
No, I am too busy laughing at your awful opinion.
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It;s obvious that you're hurting over the complete lack of valid argument to be made for any Arsenal player to appear on this list. Don't ever bring up the name Alex Song on a thread discussing world class footballers ever again. Even in jest it demonstrates your complete disregard for everyone who has given the life to the game.
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Alex Song was brought up to illustrate how facking idiotic your opinion was. The quickness in which you backtracked and tried to redefine that comment
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Nah, Alex Song was brought up because you were bored. I can define and redefine world class however I wish. As you can see from the myriad definitions in this thread, there's no clear cut answer. In my head I have a vision of what world class is, and I don't think many, if any, currently in the PL live up to it. If putting you in one of the best sides of an era would weaken their XI then you aren't world class. Putting Song or Hleb in the Barca XI made them weaker, hence they didn't last.
posted on 26/5/20
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posted on 26/5/20
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posted on 26/5/20
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Wahl Icht - Greatmanagerswinthetreble (U22332)
posted 3 minutes ago
Barcelona were and are a better team than Liverpool. This isn’t (or it shouldn’t be) up for debate
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Were a couple of years ago, they aren't now
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Yes they are. I think Van Dijk and Trent are the only players who’d get in the Barcelona team.
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But that's you doing this thing again where you compare individual players in the team and not the team as a whole. Whilst I disagree VVD and TAA are the only players that wont get in the team, I'd have the whole back five for a start, it's not about individual players, it's about the team.
posted on 26/5/20
because he doesn't entertain you in the way you expect, he isn't deemed as world class and flatters to deceive your own idea of how you think he should play?
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Precisely.
posted on 26/5/20
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posted on 26/5/20
For me, to be world class, a player has to be successful in La Liga, Premier League, Bundesliga and Seria A, and win the World Cup, Champions League, Copa Libertadores, European Championships, Copa America, AFCON, the Gold Cup and the 100m Olympic gold.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me, to be world class, a player has to be successful in La Liga, Premier League, Bundesliga and Seria A, and win the World Cup, Champions League, Copa Libertadores, European Championships, Copa America, AFCON, the Gold Cup and the 100m Olympic gold.
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Got anybody in mind?
posted on 26/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me, to be world class, a player has to be successful in La Liga, Premier League, Bundesliga and Seria A, and win the World Cup, Champions League, Copa Libertadores, European Championships, Copa America, AFCON, the Gold Cup and the 100m Olympic gold.
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Got anybody in mind?
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Kim Jong-un.
posted on 26/5/20
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
For me, to be world class, a player has to be successful in La Liga, Premier League, Bundesliga and Seria A, and win the World Cup, Champions League, Copa Libertadores, European Championships, Copa America, AFCON, the Gold Cup and the 100m Olympic gold.
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Got anybody in mind?
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Kim Jong-un.
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He's world class alright.
posted on 26/5/20
I'd say a player who can produce some of the highest quality for their respective position consistently at the top level.
The only one's I disagree with in the OP are Pogba (as we've established), Kane I think should be by this point and Alisson.
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