In fact why even ask the question otherwise? Why compare a player with a full career against a 27 year old keeper? If the belief is he can't be compared as he hasn't done it over a full career, then it's a pointless question.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 seconds ago
In fact why even ask the question otherwise? Why compare a player with a full career against a 27 year old keeper? If the belief is he can't be compared as he hasn't done it over a full career, then it's a pointless question.
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That, TOOR, is a very good point.
I suppose the answer is that not everyone thinks it is a pointless comparison and is entitled to their view.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 25 seconds ago
I don't differ in that opinion at all TOOR - completely understand.
You think at the height of his game, Allisson is better than Jennings at the height of his.
Two problems with that:
1. I don't think either of us can claim to have really watched Jennings properly at the height of his game.
2. I do absolutely think it can be an element of a 'hot streak' and I think your overall judgement of a player changes over the course of a career.
You may not agree with that, which is fair enough, though I think an element of it is subconcious.
Torres is a great example.
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Yes. You're completely correct although I have watched a good bit of footage of Jennings, with him being a Northern Ireland great.
He was an outstanding goalkeeper. However, as has been mentioned before, Alisson is great at all the traditional things keeper were great at, also but he has extras on top of that.
Simply put, and I hate saying this as I haven't watched keepers enough from years back, modern keepers, in general are better than keepers from yesteryear as they have more to their game and are more involved in the actual teamwork.
Interesting perspective TOOR and a fair point.
I would probably agree with that.
That said, I still think it's too soon for him to be ranking him at number one.
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
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I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
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I think for most of us it goes without saying.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 25 seconds ago
I don't differ in that opinion at all TOOR - completely understand.
You think at the height of his game, Allisson is better than Jennings at the height of his.
Two problems with that:
1. I don't think either of us can claim to have really watched Jennings properly at the height of his game.
2. I do absolutely think it can be an element of a 'hot streak' and I think your overall judgement of a player changes over the course of a career.
You may not agree with that, which is fair enough, though I think an element of it is subconcious.
Torres is a great example.
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Yes. You're completely correct although I have watched a good bit of footage of Jennings, with him being a Northern Ireland great.
He was an outstanding goalkeeper. However, as has been mentioned before, Alisson is great at all the traditional things keeper were great at, also but he has extras on top of that.
Simply put, and I hate saying this as I haven't watched keepers enough from years back, modern keepers, in general are better than keepers from yesteryear as they have more to their game and are more involved in the actual teamwork.
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No modern goalies are not generally better. Why do you persist with that nonsense? There were great goalies in past eras. Just because a modern goalie can come dashing out of his area, and hoof the ball upfield don't make him a great goalie. Most great goalies are judged how they handle the ball in their own six yard area.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
In fact why even ask the question otherwise? Why compare a player with a full career against a 27 year old keeper? If the belief is he can't be compared as he hasn't done it over a full career, then it's a pointless question.
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I am not asking the question. It is you that thinks a player with barely 150 appearances, is better than one with 750. At the moment Allison wouldn't come anywhere near being in a top 20 of goalies I have seen play.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
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Not really. I have seen enough live football over 60 years to form a reasonable opinion, without it being skewed just because it was not on TV.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
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Not really. I have seen enough live football over 60 years to form a reasonable opinion, without it being skewed just because it was not on TV.
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You're in the minority though to be fair.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 37 minutes ago
Buffon or Schmeichel were the best imo
Cech up there too and Allison is pretty good
Obvs I didn’t get to watch Jennings in the flesh
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Jennings was much better than Schmeichel, he had a lot more work to do.
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Possibly, but in your OP you stated ‘feel free to disagree’
So I did
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 37 minutes ago
Buffon or Schmeichel were the best imo
Cech up there too and Allison is pretty good
Obvs I didn’t get to watch Jennings in the flesh
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Jennings was much better than Schmeichel, he had a lot more work to do.
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Possibly, but in your OP you stated ‘feel free to disagree’
So I did
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
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I think it clearly doesn’t unfortunately.
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
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I think it clearly doesn’t unfortunately.
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How so?
Allison's an odd choice considering he's only played 58 PL games.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
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Not really. I have seen enough live football over 60 years to form a reasonable opinion, without it being skewed just because it was not on TV.
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You're in the minority though to be fair.
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Fair point. But just giving my opinion on goalies from all eras.
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 37 minutes ago
Buffon or Schmeichel were the best imo
Cech up there too and Allison is pretty good
Obvs I didn’t get to watch Jennings in the flesh
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Jennings was much better than Schmeichel, he had a lot more work to do.
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Possibly, but in your OP you stated ‘feel free to disagree’
So I did
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No problem.
Even though I disagree with you.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Allison's an odd choice considering he's only played 58 PL games.
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Yeh he is getting a tad overrated.
Whats games got to do with anything? use ur own two eyes.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 26 seconds ago
Whats games got to do with anything? use ur own two eyes.
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Plenty, lots of players can have one or two decent season in their careers, and lots of not very good ones. He needs to prove it over a 20 year career, like Jennings, Banks, Shilton, Buffon etc have done.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 26 seconds ago
Whats games got to do with anything? use ur own two eyes.
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Plenty, lots of players can have one or two decent season in their careers, and lots of not very good ones. He needs to prove it over a 20 year career, like Jennings, Banks, Shilton, Buffon etc have done.
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theres numerous reasons players can struggle for longevity/success that are out of their control, such as injuries and the clubs they play for. Watch a player and judge on their ability at any given time for me. I know of those players but ive only ever seen buffon play so i wouldnt comment on them.
For example Ledley King one of ur own Sandy.
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 26 seconds ago
Whats games got to do with anything? use ur own two eyes.
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Plenty, lots of players can have one or two decent season in their careers, and lots of not very good ones. He needs to prove it over a 20 year career, like Jennings, Banks, Shilton, Buffon etc have done.
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theres numerous reasons players can struggle for longevity/success that are out of their control, such as injuries and the clubs they play for. Watch a player and judge on their ability at any given time for me. I know of those players but ive only ever seen buffon play so i wouldnt comment on them.
For example Ledley King one of ur own Sandy.
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Very decent player, but not even one of our best ever players in that position, let alone in the country. So not really sure what your point is.
Sign in if you want to comment
Who would supporters ranks as
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posted on 27/5/20
In fact why even ask the question otherwise? Why compare a player with a full career against a 27 year old keeper? If the belief is he can't be compared as he hasn't done it over a full career, then it's a pointless question.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 15 seconds ago
In fact why even ask the question otherwise? Why compare a player with a full career against a 27 year old keeper? If the belief is he can't be compared as he hasn't done it over a full career, then it's a pointless question.
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That, TOOR, is a very good point.
I suppose the answer is that not everyone thinks it is a pointless comparison and is entitled to their view.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 25 seconds ago
I don't differ in that opinion at all TOOR - completely understand.
You think at the height of his game, Allisson is better than Jennings at the height of his.
Two problems with that:
1. I don't think either of us can claim to have really watched Jennings properly at the height of his game.
2. I do absolutely think it can be an element of a 'hot streak' and I think your overall judgement of a player changes over the course of a career.
You may not agree with that, which is fair enough, though I think an element of it is subconcious.
Torres is a great example.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. You're completely correct although I have watched a good bit of footage of Jennings, with him being a Northern Ireland great.
He was an outstanding goalkeeper. However, as has been mentioned before, Alisson is great at all the traditional things keeper were great at, also but he has extras on top of that.
Simply put, and I hate saying this as I haven't watched keepers enough from years back, modern keepers, in general are better than keepers from yesteryear as they have more to their game and are more involved in the actual teamwork.
posted on 27/5/20
Interesting perspective TOOR and a fair point.
I would probably agree with that.
That said, I still think it's too soon for him to be ranking him at number one.
posted on 27/5/20
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 56 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 25 seconds ago
I don't differ in that opinion at all TOOR - completely understand.
You think at the height of his game, Allisson is better than Jennings at the height of his.
Two problems with that:
1. I don't think either of us can claim to have really watched Jennings properly at the height of his game.
2. I do absolutely think it can be an element of a 'hot streak' and I think your overall judgement of a player changes over the course of a career.
You may not agree with that, which is fair enough, though I think an element of it is subconcious.
Torres is a great example.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. You're completely correct although I have watched a good bit of footage of Jennings, with him being a Northern Ireland great.
He was an outstanding goalkeeper. However, as has been mentioned before, Alisson is great at all the traditional things keeper were great at, also but he has extras on top of that.
Simply put, and I hate saying this as I haven't watched keepers enough from years back, modern keepers, in general are better than keepers from yesteryear as they have more to their game and are more involved in the actual teamwork.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No modern goalies are not generally better. Why do you persist with that nonsense? There were great goalies in past eras. Just because a modern goalie can come dashing out of his area, and hoof the ball upfield don't make him a great goalie. Most great goalies are judged how they handle the ball in their own six yard area.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
In fact why even ask the question otherwise? Why compare a player with a full career against a 27 year old keeper? If the belief is he can't be compared as he hasn't done it over a full career, then it's a pointless question.
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I am not asking the question. It is you that thinks a player with barely 150 appearances, is better than one with 750. At the moment Allison wouldn't come anywhere near being in a top 20 of goalies I have seen play.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
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Not really. I have seen enough live football over 60 years to form a reasonable opinion, without it being skewed just because it was not on TV.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
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Not really. I have seen enough live football over 60 years to form a reasonable opinion, without it being skewed just because it was not on TV.
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You're in the minority though to be fair.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 37 minutes ago
Buffon or Schmeichel were the best imo
Cech up there too and Allison is pretty good
Obvs I didn’t get to watch Jennings in the flesh
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Jennings was much better than Schmeichel, he had a lot more work to do.
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Possibly, but in your OP you stated ‘feel free to disagree’
So I did
posted on 27/5/20
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 37 minutes ago
Buffon or Schmeichel were the best imo
Cech up there too and Allison is pretty good
Obvs I didn’t get to watch Jennings in the flesh
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Jennings was much better than Schmeichel, he had a lot more work to do.
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Possibly, but in your OP you stated ‘feel free to disagree’
So I did
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posted on 27/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
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I think it clearly doesn’t unfortunately.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 50 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
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I think it clearly doesn’t unfortunately.
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How so?
posted on 27/5/20
Allison's an odd choice considering he's only played 58 PL games.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 16 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Melt (U22362)
posted 8 minutes ago
It’s crazy that sport science gets better, training methods get better, nutrition improves, tactics develop/improve, global pool of footballers increases. Yet footballers continually get worse.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think when we make these comparisons we try to take out the obvious improvements around fitness, atheleticism etc. as otherwise it's pointless.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we don’t seem to factor in the fact that modern keepers are watched week in, week out and every single mistake is analysed and scrutinised. Yet in the past the coverage was only really the highlights thus making judgement more skewed.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think for most of us it goes without saying.
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Not really. I have seen enough live football over 60 years to form a reasonable opinion, without it being skewed just because it was not on TV.
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You're in the minority though to be fair.
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Fair point. But just giving my opinion on goalies from all eras.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
comment by palmers_spur (U8896)
posted 37 minutes ago
Buffon or Schmeichel were the best imo
Cech up there too and Allison is pretty good
Obvs I didn’t get to watch Jennings in the flesh
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Jennings was much better than Schmeichel, he had a lot more work to do.
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Possibly, but in your OP you stated ‘feel free to disagree’
So I did
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No problem.
Even though I disagree with you.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
Allison's an odd choice considering he's only played 58 PL games.
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Yeh he is getting a tad overrated.
posted on 27/5/20
Whats games got to do with anything? use ur own two eyes.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 26 seconds ago
Whats games got to do with anything? use ur own two eyes.
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Plenty, lots of players can have one or two decent season in their careers, and lots of not very good ones. He needs to prove it over a 20 year career, like Jennings, Banks, Shilton, Buffon etc have done.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 26 seconds ago
Whats games got to do with anything? use ur own two eyes.
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Plenty, lots of players can have one or two decent season in their careers, and lots of not very good ones. He needs to prove it over a 20 year career, like Jennings, Banks, Shilton, Buffon etc have done.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
theres numerous reasons players can struggle for longevity/success that are out of their control, such as injuries and the clubs they play for. Watch a player and judge on their ability at any given time for me. I know of those players but ive only ever seen buffon play so i wouldnt comment on them.
For example Ledley King one of ur own Sandy.
posted on 27/5/20
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 26 seconds ago
Whats games got to do with anything? use ur own two eyes.
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Plenty, lots of players can have one or two decent season in their careers, and lots of not very good ones. He needs to prove it over a 20 year career, like Jennings, Banks, Shilton, Buffon etc have done.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
theres numerous reasons players can struggle for longevity/success that are out of their control, such as injuries and the clubs they play for. Watch a player and judge on their ability at any given time for me. I know of those players but ive only ever seen buffon play so i wouldnt comment on them.
For example Ledley King one of ur own Sandy.
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Very decent player, but not even one of our best ever players in that position, let alone in the country. So not really sure what your point is.
posted on 27/5/20
Jennings was shiiite
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