"2)This culture has been allowed to flourish by the culture of coverups to protect your colleagues if you want them to have your back.
while arguement can be made for these culture"
Pray tell what is the argument that can be made in favour of this culture of covering up and protecting a colleague who murders an unarmed and bound individual in front of multiple witnesses...?
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 2 minutes ago
"With everyone having access to a gun that can there is a culture of fear/protect yourself first before the public. It should be the other way round"
More guns will not solve anything. Except more death.
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i was saying the opposite but a couple of typos ruined my post. What I meant is that the easy access to guns means everyone potentially has a gun and could end your life. So the officers consequently choose to be aggressor out of fear.
Although this does not excuse the behaviour. But it what they say to themselves to explain their actions and their colleagues action
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
As far as NUMBERS go, of course it stands to reason that the white experience would be greater. After all, there are approximately 235 million white people out of an approximate 330 million people. Compare that to approximately 40 million black people of that same total. So it makes sense that MORE white people would be arrested / killed etc in terms of numbers. This has been calculated to be in proportion to the overall number of white people.
The issue is the PROPORTIONALITY of these same experiences for black people. For a subsection that makes up 12% of a population, surely you cannot dispute there is an issue that, as above, they make up 33% of the incarcerated? Or that they are 5x more likely to be stopped and 2.5x more likely to be shot by police? No-one is disputing training but there is a very pervasive issue in relation to black people. What I'm suggesting is that you try not to separate the two especially if that correlation is a core part of the conversation.
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Violent crime between 2008-2018
Offender
White 46%
Black 43%
Victim
White 60%
Black 33%
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 4 seconds ago
"2)This culture has been allowed to flourish by the culture of coverups to protect your colleagues if you want them to have your back.
while arguement can be made for these culture"
Pray tell what is the argument that can be made in favour of this culture of covering up and protecting a colleague who murders an unarmed and bound individual in front of multiple witnesses...?
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i will tell as a human there is no excuse for the culture
but watching that video, do you think that is the first time the killer cop has done such a thing. In the past it probably ended up in no more than an injury and was easily covered. If you leave in a society where everyone normalises something you might actually start to in a twisted way believe it is true
we see that in extremity with this video, it happens on a smaller but not so brutal scale in everyday life too even here in the UK. My point is not to excuse the actions but understand what they might be thinking (twisted as it may seem)
cinci wolf
thanks for your comments but I see you for what you are but thanks for confirming it with those stats.
comment by new cdm obsesion - julian garner (U13920)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 2 minutes ago
"With everyone having access to a gun that can there is a culture of fear/protect yourself first before the public. It should be the other way round"
More guns will not solve anything. Except more death.
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i was saying the opposite but a couple of typos ruined my post. What I meant is that the easy access to guns means everyone potentially has a gun and could end your life. So the officers consequently choose to be aggressor out of fear.
Although this does not excuse the behaviour. But it what they say to themselves to explain their actions and their colleagues action
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Pleeeeeease do not buy into this fear bullshiiit. Look at any number of videos (thank God for them) that show these incidents. There is RARELY a gun. There are usually hands up. There are even people running AWAY. Who is so afraid of a person running AWAY from them that they feel the only way to protect themselves is to shoot and kill them? Let "fear" not be uttered in these conversations. Are they afraid of the white people who literally get in their faces and f and blind? Are they afraid of the white people who DO have guns and have fingers over the trigger? Rarely! There was an example of a white patrol officer caught on his dashcam video saying (to a white motorist) "we only kill black people". And you think it's fear?
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/08/opinions/to-understand-black-americas-anger-watch-the-video-bailey/index.html
So if your default position is that or anything similar, then access to guns has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
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posted 39 seconds ago
cinci wolf
thanks for your comments but I see you for what you are but thanks for confirming it with those stats.
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comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
As far as NUMBERS go, of course it stands to reason that the white experience would be greater. After all, there are approximately 235 million white people out of an approximate 330 million people. Compare that to approximately 40 million black people of that same total. So it makes sense that MORE white people would be arrested / killed etc in terms of numbers. This has been calculated to be in proportion to the overall number of white people.
The issue is the PROPORTIONALITY of these same experiences for black people. For a subsection that makes up 12% of a population, surely you cannot dispute there is an issue that, as above, they make up 33% of the incarcerated? Or that they are 5x more likely to be stopped and 2.5x more likely to be shot by police? No-one is disputing training but there is a very pervasive issue in relation to black people. What I'm suggesting is that you try not to separate the two especially if that correlation is a core part of the conversation.
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Violent crime between 2008-2018
Offender
White 46%
Black 43%
Victim
White 60%
Black 33%
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What exactly has that to do with someone being stopped by the police for selling cigarettes (Eric Garner), playing with a toy gun in a park (Tamir Rice), driving with his girlfriend and child (Philando Castille), switching lanes while driving (Sandra Bland), waking home from a convenience store (Michael Brown)...? Who were their victims?
comment by new cdm obsesion - julian garner (U13920)
posted 2 minutes ago
cinci wolf
thanks for your comments but I see you for what you are but thanks for confirming it with those stats.
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? I thought it would be easier to post the figures rather than speculating. The victim part isn't actually relevant. I simply responded to the suggestion that Whites made up a far bigger number when they don't.
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 15 minutes ago
People predicting the Helter Skelter have always proven to be wrong and it largely comes from one misunderstanding. Whilst many of the racists, supremacists and powers that be are indeed bloodthirsty and just waiting for an excuse, black people are not. Black people grieve the loss of another of their own. They look at the victims of this insanity and see their own sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, sisters and brother lying under a policeman's boot. What they want is to live and be left to live.
Grief may spill over into riots, but it generally doesn't. Even in Minneapolis, I've seen videos of the arsonists. They were white men dressed in serious black gear. Whether they are police or another group is anyone's guess but what they are not is the black people who just want to stop being killed for their skin colour.
It never will turn to a race war for the simple fact that they just want to live. People are generally decent like that.
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Kinda hard to believe when you see what's happening in 'Chiraq'
Black on black crime is an everyday thing and police won't even go to some parts. The lack of white people hasn't stopped insanely high murder rate.
To drop the race aspect for a clearer picture, people with hearts and a brain mourn any unjustified death as a collective. To say white people or Asian people don't subscribe to this view is kinda silly tbh.
A small minority are mindless. Goes for the police and every race. I just feel the places like Chicago and Detroit highlight the fact lots of black people do not simply 'just wanna live'. Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying.
Same way loads of people called out BlackLifesMatter as dumb as all life's matter. Try saying that on twitter though if you are not African American 😅
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
As far as NUMBERS go, of course it stands to reason that the white experience would be greater. After all, there are approximately 235 million white people out of an approximate 330 million people. Compare that to approximately 40 million black people of that same total. So it makes sense that MORE white people would be arrested / killed etc in terms of numbers. This has been calculated to be in proportion to the overall number of white people.
The issue is the PROPORTIONALITY of these same experiences for black people. For a subsection that makes up 12% of a population, surely you cannot dispute there is an issue that, as above, they make up 33% of the incarcerated? Or that they are 5x more likely to be stopped and 2.5x more likely to be shot by police? No-one is disputing training but there is a very pervasive issue in relation to black people. What I'm suggesting is that you try not to separate the two especially if that correlation is a core part of the conversation.
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Violent crime between 2008-2018
Offender
White 46%
Black 43%
Victim
White 60%
Black 33%
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What exactly has that to do with someone being stopped by the police for selling cigarettes (Eric Garner), playing with a toy gun in a park (Tamir Rice), driving with his girlfriend and child (Philando Castille), switching lanes while driving (Sandra Bland), waking home from a convenience store (Michael Brown)...? Who were their victims?
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As i just said, the victim part is not relevant at all, it was right next to the other stat and i figured it may interest some.
If you're posting stats and figures, I did post a couple earlier.
‘African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white people. For black women, the rate is 1.4 times more likely.’
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shootings-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/
Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/
Your deflection is noted but which of what I mentioned is constituted as violent crime? What are those percentages against? There is literally no context to you posting those figures.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 15 minutes ago
People predicting the Helter Skelter have always proven to be wrong and it largely comes from one misunderstanding. Whilst many of the racists, supremacists and powers that be are indeed bloodthirsty and just waiting for an excuse, black people are not. Black people grieve the loss of another of their own. They look at the victims of this insanity and see their own sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, sisters and brother lying under a policeman's boot. What they want is to live and be left to live.
Grief may spill over into riots, but it generally doesn't. Even in Minneapolis, I've seen videos of the arsonists. They were white men dressed in serious black gear. Whether they are police or another group is anyone's guess but what they are not is the black people who just want to stop being killed for their skin colour.
It never will turn to a race war for the simple fact that they just want to live. People are generally decent like that.
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Kinda hard to believe when you see what's happening in 'Chiraq'
Black on black crime is an everyday thing and police won't even go to some parts. The lack of white people hasn't stopped insanely high murder rate.
To drop the race aspect for a clearer picture, people with hearts and a brain mourn any unjustified death as a collective. To say white people or Asian people don't subscribe to this view is kinda silly tbh.
A small minority are mindless. Goes for the police and every race. I just feel the places like Chicago and Detroit highlight the fact lots of black people do not simply 'just wanna live'. Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying.
Same way loads of people called out BlackLifesMatter as dumb as all life's matter. Try saying that on twitter though if you are not African American 😅
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You're both misrepresenting what I said and simultaneously coming out with a 1990's racist's talking points. Get with the program.
*Another black man is murdered by a police officer for no good reason.*
*Black people protest because this keeps happening.*
*Some of it spills over into rioting because this keeps happening and people feel disenfranchised.*
Galaxy-brains on Ja606: "Maybe it's because of their violent culture of listening to gangsta rap."
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 5 minutes ago
*Another black man is murdered by a police officer for no good reason.*
*Black people protest because this keeps happening.*
*Some of it spills over into rioting because this keeps happening and people feel disenfranchised.*
Galaxy-brains on Ja606: "Maybe it's because of their violent culture of listening to gangsta rap."
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No words...
"Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying."
Did you type this with a straight face?
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 15 minutes ago
People predicting the Helter Skelter have always proven to be wrong and it largely comes from one misunderstanding. Whilst many of the racists, supremacists and powers that be are indeed bloodthirsty and just waiting for an excuse, black people are not. Black people grieve the loss of another of their own. They look at the victims of this insanity and see their own sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, sisters and brother lying under a policeman's boot. What they want is to live and be left to live.
Grief may spill over into riots, but it generally doesn't. Even in Minneapolis, I've seen videos of the arsonists. They were white men dressed in serious black gear. Whether they are police or another group is anyone's guess but what they are not is the black people who just want to stop being killed for their skin colour.
It never will turn to a race war for the simple fact that they just want to live. People are generally decent like that.
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Kinda hard to believe when you see what's happening in 'Chiraq'
Black on black crime is an everyday thing and police won't even go to some parts. The lack of white people hasn't stopped insanely high murder rate.
To drop the race aspect for a clearer picture, people with hearts and a brain mourn any unjustified death as a collective. To say white people or Asian people don't subscribe to this view is kinda silly tbh.
A small minority are mindless. Goes for the police and every race. I just feel the places like Chicago and Detroit highlight the fact lots of black people do not simply 'just wanna live'. Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying.
Same way loads of people called out BlackLifesMatter as dumb as all life's matter. Try saying that on twitter though if you are not African American 😅
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You're both misrepresenting what I said and simultaneously coming out with a 1990's racist's talking points. Get with the program.
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You have to be a bit if a left-tard to label me a racist or peddling a racist issue from the 1900s for stating what many black people have said.
Detroit and Chicago have no go police areas and murder rates are through the roof. Majority is black on black crime. It disgusts people everywhere, white, black and yellow.
In no way am I saying that justifies the police officers actions, as they cannot be justified. I just feel that the individuals doing this stuff are a minority, and I feel for the officers that aren't if that mindset, that will have a much harder job to do now because of the actions if some rogue officers.
My reference to BlackLifesMatter was that your skin colour shouldn't be an issue and all life's matter. Soon as people used that tag is created more division, when the solution is for all races to coke together.
The media have a large responsibility too as they ignore when a white person gets killed by a white officer, or a black man is killed by a black officer, as it simply isn't sensational enough. That alone is a sad state of affairs.
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 5 minutes ago
*Another black man is murdered by a police officer for no good reason.*
*Black people protest because this keeps happening.*
*Some of it spills over into rioting because this keeps happening and people feel disenfranchised.*
Galaxy-brains on Ja606: "Maybe it's because of their violent culture of listening to gangsta rap."
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No words...
"Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying."
Did you type this with a straight face?
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I did cos I have a strong understanding of the set up in Chicago and detroit and in many places they are simply lawless.
There was a point more people were dying there on a weekly basis than when the US had troops deployed but it largely fell under the media spotlight.
It that shocks or disgusts you then good. It should be shocking. It built the 'trap' music scene where gangs openly talk about murdering rivals and this is the same music most kids listen to today, from UK artists/gangs mimicking their style.
If you understand the culture u understand how extreme 5hit is in these places I mentioned. If you're trying to say I'm labelling all black Americans under that tag then you're wrong. I never did such a thing. If you refuse to accept a situation that is factually accurate then I feel your missing a large part of the wider picture.
I never said or suggested in any way that cop killing that guy was acceptable or justified because of 'their culture of gangster rap'
Gangster rap is CBEEBIES compared to trap music.
I personally feel like the media are playing everyone and I'm genuinely concerned that the 'trap' culture has infected our youth and suburbs and we are following suit.
In America the society is broken in these areas and they do little to change it. We have a way of stopping it before its to late but there seems little action in curbing it.
I'm not being racist in airing my view that I'd rather our media focused on our countries race issues than US 'cops killed another innocent guy' headlines. We cannot fix their broken society but we can stop ours copying their errors
"My reference to BlackLifesMatter was that your skin colour shouldn't be an issue and all life's matter. Soon as people used that tag is created more division, when the solution is for all races to coke together."
The fact that you used 'all lives matter' shows you don't get what BLM is all about. The division already existed which is why that movement started. Personally I think they should have labelled it #blacklivesmattertoo but maybe some marketing person thought that was too long. The point is that black people felt their lives were not seen in the same way and that they were not being treated in the same way as white people so their call was and is to voice that their lives, their black lives matter (too). It shines a light on the actual problem. Saying all lives matter is the truth and they do but as it stands, the evidence suggests that the black ones matter less.
"The media have a large responsibility too as they ignore when a white person gets killed by a white officer, or a black man is killed by a black officer, as it simply isn't sensational enough. That alone is a sad state of affairs."
I think you'll find that the media is more likely to minimise a white person's criminal image and behaviour or isolate him from the collective of all white people eg using smiling photos, saying he came from a good home and this was an isolated incident or if it was a particularly heinous act, "he was a loner"... If the person black, they dig into any part of his life they possibly can to find that ONE thing to say about him, even if its not something he did. Remember Jamelia being negatively spoken about because of something her brother did? And of course they use the meanest picture they can find. So yes the media has a responsibility but not necessarily in the way you claim.
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 5 minutes ago
*Another black man is murdered by a police officer for no good reason.*
*Black people protest because this keeps happening.*
*Some of it spills over into rioting because this keeps happening and people feel disenfranchised.*
Galaxy-brains on Ja606: "Maybe it's because of their violent culture of listening to gangsta rap."
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No words...
"Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying."
Did you type this with a straight face?
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I did cos I have a strong understanding of the set up in Chicago and detroit and in many places they are simply lawless.
There was a point more people were dying there on a weekly basis than when the US had troops deployed but it largely fell under the media spotlight.
It that shocks or disgusts you then good. It should be shocking. It built the 'trap' music scene where gangs openly talk about murdering rivals and this is the same music most kids listen to today, from UK artists/gangs mimicking their style.
If you understand the culture u understand how extreme 5hit is in these places I mentioned. If you're trying to say I'm labelling all black Americans under that tag then you're wrong. I never did such a thing. If you refuse to accept a situation that is factually accurate then I feel your missing a large part of the wider picture.
I never said or suggested in any way that cop killing that guy was acceptable or justified because of 'their culture of gangster rap'
Gangster rap is CBEEBIES compared to trap music.
I personally feel like the media are playing everyone and I'm genuinely concerned that the 'trap' culture has infected our youth and suburbs and we are following suit.
In America the society is broken in these areas and they do little to change it. We have a way of stopping it before its to late but there seems little action in curbing it.
I'm not being racist in airing my view that I'd rather our media focused on our countries race issues than US 'cops killed another innocent guy' headlines. We cannot fix their broken society but we can stop ours copying their errors
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Wow...
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 4 minutes ago
"My reference to BlackLifesMatter was that your skin colour shouldn't be an issue and all life's matter. Soon as people used that tag is created more division, when the solution is for all races to coke together."
The fact that you used 'all lives matter' shows you don't get what BLM is all about. The division already existed which is why that movement started. Personally I think they should have labelled it #blacklivesmattertoo but maybe some marketing person thought that was too long. The point is that black people felt their lives were not seen in the same way and that they were not being treated in the same way as white people so their call was and is to voice that their lives, their black lives matter (too). It shines a light on the actual problem. Saying all lives matter is the truth and they do but as it stands, the evidence suggests that the black ones matter less.
"The media have a large responsibility too as they ignore when a white person gets killed by a white officer, or a black man is killed by a black officer, as it simply isn't sensational enough. That alone is a sad state of affairs."
I think you'll find that the media is more likely to minimise a white person's criminal image and behaviour or isolate him from the collective of all white people eg using smiling photos, saying he came from a good home and this was an isolated incident or if it was a particularly heinous act, "he was a loner"... If the person black, they dig into any part of his life they possibly can to find that ONE thing to say about him, even if its not something he did. Remember Jamelia being negatively spoken about because of something her brother did? And of course they use the meanest picture they can find. So yes the media has a responsibility but not necessarily in the way you claim.
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I just found BLM a farce and lots of black Americans agreed, so I dint think it's fair to suggest all lack people felt BLM was the answer. Lots were very vocal about opposing it's and they def weren't racist.
As far as the media goes they def choose to pick what's topical. My fiance is chinese/Ethiopian and grew up in China for most of her life. They suffer racism which restricts were they go, we're they stay, if they can eat in a restaurant. . They were getting attacked by the public during covid as potential carriers and have an area where Africans live called chocolate town.
It's a tragedy this guy died but none of the above rarely gets reported. The trap gangs in London rarely get reported although there's daily stabbings/murders.
The media chooses to publicise a situation that is horrendous but sadly the norm in America now.
Rip to the poor guy but the media def play a huge part in what picture they chose to paint. I sound cold but I want our issues reported on, on a far more widespread basis, before we become like America
The media have a large responsibility too as they ignore when a white person gets killed by a white officer, or a black man is killed by a black officer, as it simply isn't sensational enough. That alone is a sad state of affairs.
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totally makes sense. its the leftist media fault for highlighting videos when it comes to light in public of white officers killing black people
they really need to find videos of white officers killing other white people in similar circumstances.
Can anyone hazard a guess why there are no videos emerging?
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posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
As far as NUMBERS go, of course it stands to reason that the white experience would be greater. After all, there are approximately 235 million white people out of an approximate 330 million people. Compare that to approximately 40 million black people of that same total. So it makes sense that MORE white people would be arrested / killed etc in terms of numbers. This has been calculated to be in proportion to the overall number of white people.
The issue is the PROPORTIONALITY of these same experiences for black people. For a subsection that makes up 12% of a population, surely you cannot dispute there is an issue that, as above, they make up 33% of the incarcerated? Or that they are 5x more likely to be stopped and 2.5x more likely to be shot by police? No-one is disputing training but there is a very pervasive issue in relation to black people. What I'm suggesting is that you try not to separate the two especially if that correlation is a core part of the conversation.
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Violent crime between 2008-2018
Offender
White 46%
Black 43%
Victim
White 60%
Black 33%
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What exactly has that to do with someone being stopped by the police for selling cigarettes (Eric Garner), playing with a toy gun in a park (Tamir Rice), driving with his girlfriend and child (Philando Castille), switching lanes while driving (Sandra Bland), waking home from a convenience store (Michael Brown)...? Who were their victims?
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As i just said, the victim part is not relevant at all, it was right next to the other stat and i figured it may interest some.
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Not sure about the accuracy of the statistics. However the I believe that there are three times more Whites than Blacks(Browns) in the USA, so that would have to be a part of any discussion.
What happened in Minneapolis was a disgrace, both the murder of this civilian and the rioting and looting from the stores by some individuals taking advantage of the situation.
btw: I read that 40 people were shot (8 killed) in "black" neighborhoods in Chicago this past week-end.
Were is the outrage? Were is the publicity?
Either way, what happened
"I just found BLM a farce"
You should have stopped here.
"and lots of black Americans agreed"
Some black slaves were okay with slavery. Whether it was Stockholm's or they felt being out in the cold was worse than the little they had or they weren't the ones being lynched. It doesn't mean that that was right. Also, I think you'll find more people agree with BLM than disagree.
"so I dint think it's fair to suggest all lack people felt BLM was the answer"
Where did I say "all"?
"As far as the media goes they def choose to pick what's topical."
Of course they do. Why do you think people know every single trip Cummings made but not that there will be an Irish border or that the government voted to lower food standards or even that they've made secret deals with the US for life post Brexit. But it's not the media's fault America has a serious problem between the police and the black community.
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comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
As far as NUMBERS go, of course it stands to reason that the white experience would be greater. After all, there are approximately 235 million white people out of an approximate 330 million people. Compare that to approximately 40 million black people of that same total. So it makes sense that MORE white people would be arrested / killed etc in terms of numbers. This has been calculated to be in proportion to the overall number of white people.
The issue is the PROPORTIONALITY of these same experiences for black people. For a subsection that makes up 12% of a population, surely you cannot dispute there is an issue that, as above, they make up 33% of the incarcerated? Or that they are 5x more likely to be stopped and 2.5x more likely to be shot by police? No-one is disputing training but there is a very pervasive issue in relation to black people. What I'm suggesting is that you try not to separate the two especially if that correlation is a core part of the conversation.
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Violent crime between 2008-2018
Offender
White 46%
Black 43%
Victim
White 60%
Black 33%
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What exactly has that to do with someone being stopped by the police for selling cigarettes (Eric Garner), playing with a toy gun in a park (Tamir Rice), driving with his girlfriend and child (Philando Castille), switching lanes while driving (Sandra Bland), waking home from a convenience store (Michael Brown)...? Who were their victims?
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As i just said, the victim part is not relevant at all, it was right next to the other stat and i figured it may interest some.
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Not sure about the accuracy of the statistics. However the I believe that there are three times more Whites than Blacks(Browns) in the USA, so that would have to be a part of any discussion.
What happened in Minneapolis was a disgrace, both the murder of this civilian and the rioting and looting from the stores by some individuals taking advantage of the situation.
btw: I read that 40 people were shot (8 killed) in "black" neighborhoods in Chicago this past week-end.
Were is the outrage? Were is the publicity?
Either way, what happened
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Ok update I read the comment and typerd the response before I realised who had posted the above. My bad but I will continue
I do not know anyone that pretends there isn't a problem in chicago. These people are criminals and no one is arguing about that. If you are not an idiot but fail to see the difference between criminals killing each other and innocents and Cops killing black people then i have no more to say to you
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posted on 28/5/20
"2)This culture has been allowed to flourish by the culture of coverups to protect your colleagues if you want them to have your back.
while arguement can be made for these culture"
Pray tell what is the argument that can be made in favour of this culture of covering up and protecting a colleague who murders an unarmed and bound individual in front of multiple witnesses...?
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 2 minutes ago
"With everyone having access to a gun that can there is a culture of fear/protect yourself first before the public. It should be the other way round"
More guns will not solve anything. Except more death.
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i was saying the opposite but a couple of typos ruined my post. What I meant is that the easy access to guns means everyone potentially has a gun and could end your life. So the officers consequently choose to be aggressor out of fear.
Although this does not excuse the behaviour. But it what they say to themselves to explain their actions and their colleagues action
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
As far as NUMBERS go, of course it stands to reason that the white experience would be greater. After all, there are approximately 235 million white people out of an approximate 330 million people. Compare that to approximately 40 million black people of that same total. So it makes sense that MORE white people would be arrested / killed etc in terms of numbers. This has been calculated to be in proportion to the overall number of white people.
The issue is the PROPORTIONALITY of these same experiences for black people. For a subsection that makes up 12% of a population, surely you cannot dispute there is an issue that, as above, they make up 33% of the incarcerated? Or that they are 5x more likely to be stopped and 2.5x more likely to be shot by police? No-one is disputing training but there is a very pervasive issue in relation to black people. What I'm suggesting is that you try not to separate the two especially if that correlation is a core part of the conversation.
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Violent crime between 2008-2018
Offender
White 46%
Black 43%
Victim
White 60%
Black 33%
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 4 seconds ago
"2)This culture has been allowed to flourish by the culture of coverups to protect your colleagues if you want them to have your back.
while arguement can be made for these culture"
Pray tell what is the argument that can be made in favour of this culture of covering up and protecting a colleague who murders an unarmed and bound individual in front of multiple witnesses...?
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i will tell as a human there is no excuse for the culture
but watching that video, do you think that is the first time the killer cop has done such a thing. In the past it probably ended up in no more than an injury and was easily covered. If you leave in a society where everyone normalises something you might actually start to in a twisted way believe it is true
we see that in extremity with this video, it happens on a smaller but not so brutal scale in everyday life too even here in the UK. My point is not to excuse the actions but understand what they might be thinking (twisted as it may seem)
posted on 28/5/20
cinci wolf
thanks for your comments but I see you for what you are but thanks for confirming it with those stats.
posted on 28/5/20
comment by new cdm obsesion - julian garner (U13920)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 2 minutes ago
"With everyone having access to a gun that can there is a culture of fear/protect yourself first before the public. It should be the other way round"
More guns will not solve anything. Except more death.
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i was saying the opposite but a couple of typos ruined my post. What I meant is that the easy access to guns means everyone potentially has a gun and could end your life. So the officers consequently choose to be aggressor out of fear.
Although this does not excuse the behaviour. But it what they say to themselves to explain their actions and their colleagues action
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Pleeeeeease do not buy into this fear bullshiiit. Look at any number of videos (thank God for them) that show these incidents. There is RARELY a gun. There are usually hands up. There are even people running AWAY. Who is so afraid of a person running AWAY from them that they feel the only way to protect themselves is to shoot and kill them? Let "fear" not be uttered in these conversations. Are they afraid of the white people who literally get in their faces and f and blind? Are they afraid of the white people who DO have guns and have fingers over the trigger? Rarely! There was an example of a white patrol officer caught on his dashcam video saying (to a white motorist) "we only kill black people". And you think it's fear?
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/08/opinions/to-understand-black-americas-anger-watch-the-video-bailey/index.html
So if your default position is that or anything similar, then access to guns has absolutely NOTHING to do with it.
posted on 28/5/20
comment by new cdm obsesion - julian garner (U13920)
posted 39 seconds ago
cinci wolf
thanks for your comments but I see you for what you are but thanks for confirming it with those stats.
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This
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
As far as NUMBERS go, of course it stands to reason that the white experience would be greater. After all, there are approximately 235 million white people out of an approximate 330 million people. Compare that to approximately 40 million black people of that same total. So it makes sense that MORE white people would be arrested / killed etc in terms of numbers. This has been calculated to be in proportion to the overall number of white people.
The issue is the PROPORTIONALITY of these same experiences for black people. For a subsection that makes up 12% of a population, surely you cannot dispute there is an issue that, as above, they make up 33% of the incarcerated? Or that they are 5x more likely to be stopped and 2.5x more likely to be shot by police? No-one is disputing training but there is a very pervasive issue in relation to black people. What I'm suggesting is that you try not to separate the two especially if that correlation is a core part of the conversation.
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Violent crime between 2008-2018
Offender
White 46%
Black 43%
Victim
White 60%
Black 33%
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What exactly has that to do with someone being stopped by the police for selling cigarettes (Eric Garner), playing with a toy gun in a park (Tamir Rice), driving with his girlfriend and child (Philando Castille), switching lanes while driving (Sandra Bland), waking home from a convenience store (Michael Brown)...? Who were their victims?
posted on 28/5/20
comment by new cdm obsesion - julian garner (U13920)
posted 2 minutes ago
cinci wolf
thanks for your comments but I see you for what you are but thanks for confirming it with those stats.
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? I thought it would be easier to post the figures rather than speculating. The victim part isn't actually relevant. I simply responded to the suggestion that Whites made up a far bigger number when they don't.
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 15 minutes ago
People predicting the Helter Skelter have always proven to be wrong and it largely comes from one misunderstanding. Whilst many of the racists, supremacists and powers that be are indeed bloodthirsty and just waiting for an excuse, black people are not. Black people grieve the loss of another of their own. They look at the victims of this insanity and see their own sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, sisters and brother lying under a policeman's boot. What they want is to live and be left to live.
Grief may spill over into riots, but it generally doesn't. Even in Minneapolis, I've seen videos of the arsonists. They were white men dressed in serious black gear. Whether they are police or another group is anyone's guess but what they are not is the black people who just want to stop being killed for their skin colour.
It never will turn to a race war for the simple fact that they just want to live. People are generally decent like that.
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Kinda hard to believe when you see what's happening in 'Chiraq'
Black on black crime is an everyday thing and police won't even go to some parts. The lack of white people hasn't stopped insanely high murder rate.
To drop the race aspect for a clearer picture, people with hearts and a brain mourn any unjustified death as a collective. To say white people or Asian people don't subscribe to this view is kinda silly tbh.
A small minority are mindless. Goes for the police and every race. I just feel the places like Chicago and Detroit highlight the fact lots of black people do not simply 'just wanna live'. Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying.
Same way loads of people called out BlackLifesMatter as dumb as all life's matter. Try saying that on twitter though if you are not African American 😅
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
As far as NUMBERS go, of course it stands to reason that the white experience would be greater. After all, there are approximately 235 million white people out of an approximate 330 million people. Compare that to approximately 40 million black people of that same total. So it makes sense that MORE white people would be arrested / killed etc in terms of numbers. This has been calculated to be in proportion to the overall number of white people.
The issue is the PROPORTIONALITY of these same experiences for black people. For a subsection that makes up 12% of a population, surely you cannot dispute there is an issue that, as above, they make up 33% of the incarcerated? Or that they are 5x more likely to be stopped and 2.5x more likely to be shot by police? No-one is disputing training but there is a very pervasive issue in relation to black people. What I'm suggesting is that you try not to separate the two especially if that correlation is a core part of the conversation.
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Violent crime between 2008-2018
Offender
White 46%
Black 43%
Victim
White 60%
Black 33%
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What exactly has that to do with someone being stopped by the police for selling cigarettes (Eric Garner), playing with a toy gun in a park (Tamir Rice), driving with his girlfriend and child (Philando Castille), switching lanes while driving (Sandra Bland), waking home from a convenience store (Michael Brown)...? Who were their victims?
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As i just said, the victim part is not relevant at all, it was right next to the other stat and i figured it may interest some.
posted on 28/5/20
If you're posting stats and figures, I did post a couple earlier.
‘African Americans are 2.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white people. For black women, the rate is 1.4 times more likely.’
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/08/police-officer-shootings-gun-violence-racial-bias-crime-data/595528/
Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/
posted on 28/5/20
Your deflection is noted but which of what I mentioned is constituted as violent crime? What are those percentages against? There is literally no context to you posting those figures.
posted on 28/5/20
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 15 minutes ago
People predicting the Helter Skelter have always proven to be wrong and it largely comes from one misunderstanding. Whilst many of the racists, supremacists and powers that be are indeed bloodthirsty and just waiting for an excuse, black people are not. Black people grieve the loss of another of their own. They look at the victims of this insanity and see their own sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, sisters and brother lying under a policeman's boot. What they want is to live and be left to live.
Grief may spill over into riots, but it generally doesn't. Even in Minneapolis, I've seen videos of the arsonists. They were white men dressed in serious black gear. Whether they are police or another group is anyone's guess but what they are not is the black people who just want to stop being killed for their skin colour.
It never will turn to a race war for the simple fact that they just want to live. People are generally decent like that.
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Kinda hard to believe when you see what's happening in 'Chiraq'
Black on black crime is an everyday thing and police won't even go to some parts. The lack of white people hasn't stopped insanely high murder rate.
To drop the race aspect for a clearer picture, people with hearts and a brain mourn any unjustified death as a collective. To say white people or Asian people don't subscribe to this view is kinda silly tbh.
A small minority are mindless. Goes for the police and every race. I just feel the places like Chicago and Detroit highlight the fact lots of black people do not simply 'just wanna live'. Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying.
Same way loads of people called out BlackLifesMatter as dumb as all life's matter. Try saying that on twitter though if you are not African American 😅
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You're both misrepresenting what I said and simultaneously coming out with a 1990's racist's talking points. Get with the program.
posted on 28/5/20
*Another black man is murdered by a police officer for no good reason.*
*Black people protest because this keeps happening.*
*Some of it spills over into rioting because this keeps happening and people feel disenfranchised.*
Galaxy-brains on Ja606: "Maybe it's because of their violent culture of listening to gangsta rap."
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 5 minutes ago
*Another black man is murdered by a police officer for no good reason.*
*Black people protest because this keeps happening.*
*Some of it spills over into rioting because this keeps happening and people feel disenfranchised.*
Galaxy-brains on Ja606: "Maybe it's because of their violent culture of listening to gangsta rap."
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No words...
"Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying."
Did you type this with a straight face?
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 15 minutes ago
People predicting the Helter Skelter have always proven to be wrong and it largely comes from one misunderstanding. Whilst many of the racists, supremacists and powers that be are indeed bloodthirsty and just waiting for an excuse, black people are not. Black people grieve the loss of another of their own. They look at the victims of this insanity and see their own sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, sisters and brother lying under a policeman's boot. What they want is to live and be left to live.
Grief may spill over into riots, but it generally doesn't. Even in Minneapolis, I've seen videos of the arsonists. They were white men dressed in serious black gear. Whether they are police or another group is anyone's guess but what they are not is the black people who just want to stop being killed for their skin colour.
It never will turn to a race war for the simple fact that they just want to live. People are generally decent like that.
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Kinda hard to believe when you see what's happening in 'Chiraq'
Black on black crime is an everyday thing and police won't even go to some parts. The lack of white people hasn't stopped insanely high murder rate.
To drop the race aspect for a clearer picture, people with hearts and a brain mourn any unjustified death as a collective. To say white people or Asian people don't subscribe to this view is kinda silly tbh.
A small minority are mindless. Goes for the police and every race. I just feel the places like Chicago and Detroit highlight the fact lots of black people do not simply 'just wanna live'. Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying.
Same way loads of people called out BlackLifesMatter as dumb as all life's matter. Try saying that on twitter though if you are not African American 😅
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You're both misrepresenting what I said and simultaneously coming out with a 1990's racist's talking points. Get with the program.
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You have to be a bit if a left-tard to label me a racist or peddling a racist issue from the 1900s for stating what many black people have said.
Detroit and Chicago have no go police areas and murder rates are through the roof. Majority is black on black crime. It disgusts people everywhere, white, black and yellow.
In no way am I saying that justifies the police officers actions, as they cannot be justified. I just feel that the individuals doing this stuff are a minority, and I feel for the officers that aren't if that mindset, that will have a much harder job to do now because of the actions if some rogue officers.
My reference to BlackLifesMatter was that your skin colour shouldn't be an issue and all life's matter. Soon as people used that tag is created more division, when the solution is for all races to coke together.
The media have a large responsibility too as they ignore when a white person gets killed by a white officer, or a black man is killed by a black officer, as it simply isn't sensational enough. That alone is a sad state of affairs.
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 5 minutes ago
*Another black man is murdered by a police officer for no good reason.*
*Black people protest because this keeps happening.*
*Some of it spills over into rioting because this keeps happening and people feel disenfranchised.*
Galaxy-brains on Ja606: "Maybe it's because of their violent culture of listening to gangsta rap."
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No words...
"Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying."
Did you type this with a straight face?
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I did cos I have a strong understanding of the set up in Chicago and detroit and in many places they are simply lawless.
There was a point more people were dying there on a weekly basis than when the US had troops deployed but it largely fell under the media spotlight.
It that shocks or disgusts you then good. It should be shocking. It built the 'trap' music scene where gangs openly talk about murdering rivals and this is the same music most kids listen to today, from UK artists/gangs mimicking their style.
If you understand the culture u understand how extreme 5hit is in these places I mentioned. If you're trying to say I'm labelling all black Americans under that tag then you're wrong. I never did such a thing. If you refuse to accept a situation that is factually accurate then I feel your missing a large part of the wider picture.
I never said or suggested in any way that cop killing that guy was acceptable or justified because of 'their culture of gangster rap'
Gangster rap is CBEEBIES compared to trap music.
I personally feel like the media are playing everyone and I'm genuinely concerned that the 'trap' culture has infected our youth and suburbs and we are following suit.
In America the society is broken in these areas and they do little to change it. We have a way of stopping it before its to late but there seems little action in curbing it.
I'm not being racist in airing my view that I'd rather our media focused on our countries race issues than US 'cops killed another innocent guy' headlines. We cannot fix their broken society but we can stop ours copying their errors
posted on 28/5/20
"My reference to BlackLifesMatter was that your skin colour shouldn't be an issue and all life's matter. Soon as people used that tag is created more division, when the solution is for all races to coke together."
The fact that you used 'all lives matter' shows you don't get what BLM is all about. The division already existed which is why that movement started. Personally I think they should have labelled it #blacklivesmattertoo but maybe some marketing person thought that was too long. The point is that black people felt their lives were not seen in the same way and that they were not being treated in the same way as white people so their call was and is to voice that their lives, their black lives matter (too). It shines a light on the actual problem. Saying all lives matter is the truth and they do but as it stands, the evidence suggests that the black ones matter less.
"The media have a large responsibility too as they ignore when a white person gets killed by a white officer, or a black man is killed by a black officer, as it simply isn't sensational enough. That alone is a sad state of affairs."
I think you'll find that the media is more likely to minimise a white person's criminal image and behaviour or isolate him from the collective of all white people eg using smiling photos, saying he came from a good home and this was an isolated incident or if it was a particularly heinous act, "he was a loner"... If the person black, they dig into any part of his life they possibly can to find that ONE thing to say about him, even if its not something he did. Remember Jamelia being negatively spoken about because of something her brother did? And of course they use the meanest picture they can find. So yes the media has a responsibility but not necessarily in the way you claim.
posted on 28/5/20
comment by FootyMcfootfoot (U21853)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Giröulski Alt-153 and Alt-160 forever (U14971)
posted 5 minutes ago
*Another black man is murdered by a police officer for no good reason.*
*Black people protest because this keeps happening.*
*Some of it spills over into rioting because this keeps happening and people feel disenfranchised.*
Galaxy-brains on Ja606: "Maybe it's because of their violent culture of listening to gangsta rap."
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No words...
"Most wanna be 50 cent in these places and wanna get rich or die trying."
Did you type this with a straight face?
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I did cos I have a strong understanding of the set up in Chicago and detroit and in many places they are simply lawless.
There was a point more people were dying there on a weekly basis than when the US had troops deployed but it largely fell under the media spotlight.
It that shocks or disgusts you then good. It should be shocking. It built the 'trap' music scene where gangs openly talk about murdering rivals and this is the same music most kids listen to today, from UK artists/gangs mimicking their style.
If you understand the culture u understand how extreme 5hit is in these places I mentioned. If you're trying to say I'm labelling all black Americans under that tag then you're wrong. I never did such a thing. If you refuse to accept a situation that is factually accurate then I feel your missing a large part of the wider picture.
I never said or suggested in any way that cop killing that guy was acceptable or justified because of 'their culture of gangster rap'
Gangster rap is CBEEBIES compared to trap music.
I personally feel like the media are playing everyone and I'm genuinely concerned that the 'trap' culture has infected our youth and suburbs and we are following suit.
In America the society is broken in these areas and they do little to change it. We have a way of stopping it before its to late but there seems little action in curbing it.
I'm not being racist in airing my view that I'd rather our media focused on our countries race issues than US 'cops killed another innocent guy' headlines. We cannot fix their broken society but we can stop ours copying their errors
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Wow...
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 4 minutes ago
"My reference to BlackLifesMatter was that your skin colour shouldn't be an issue and all life's matter. Soon as people used that tag is created more division, when the solution is for all races to coke together."
The fact that you used 'all lives matter' shows you don't get what BLM is all about. The division already existed which is why that movement started. Personally I think they should have labelled it #blacklivesmattertoo but maybe some marketing person thought that was too long. The point is that black people felt their lives were not seen in the same way and that they were not being treated in the same way as white people so their call was and is to voice that their lives, their black lives matter (too). It shines a light on the actual problem. Saying all lives matter is the truth and they do but as it stands, the evidence suggests that the black ones matter less.
"The media have a large responsibility too as they ignore when a white person gets killed by a white officer, or a black man is killed by a black officer, as it simply isn't sensational enough. That alone is a sad state of affairs."
I think you'll find that the media is more likely to minimise a white person's criminal image and behaviour or isolate him from the collective of all white people eg using smiling photos, saying he came from a good home and this was an isolated incident or if it was a particularly heinous act, "he was a loner"... If the person black, they dig into any part of his life they possibly can to find that ONE thing to say about him, even if its not something he did. Remember Jamelia being negatively spoken about because of something her brother did? And of course they use the meanest picture they can find. So yes the media has a responsibility but not necessarily in the way you claim.
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I just found BLM a farce and lots of black Americans agreed, so I dint think it's fair to suggest all lack people felt BLM was the answer. Lots were very vocal about opposing it's and they def weren't racist.
As far as the media goes they def choose to pick what's topical. My fiance is chinese/Ethiopian and grew up in China for most of her life. They suffer racism which restricts were they go, we're they stay, if they can eat in a restaurant. . They were getting attacked by the public during covid as potential carriers and have an area where Africans live called chocolate town.
It's a tragedy this guy died but none of the above rarely gets reported. The trap gangs in London rarely get reported although there's daily stabbings/murders.
The media chooses to publicise a situation that is horrendous but sadly the norm in America now.
Rip to the poor guy but the media def play a huge part in what picture they chose to paint. I sound cold but I want our issues reported on, on a far more widespread basis, before we become like America
posted on 28/5/20
The media have a large responsibility too as they ignore when a white person gets killed by a white officer, or a black man is killed by a black officer, as it simply isn't sensational enough. That alone is a sad state of affairs.
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totally makes sense. its the leftist media fault for highlighting videos when it comes to light in public of white officers killing black people
they really need to find videos of white officers killing other white people in similar circumstances.
Can anyone hazard a guess why there are no videos emerging?
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
As far as NUMBERS go, of course it stands to reason that the white experience would be greater. After all, there are approximately 235 million white people out of an approximate 330 million people. Compare that to approximately 40 million black people of that same total. So it makes sense that MORE white people would be arrested / killed etc in terms of numbers. This has been calculated to be in proportion to the overall number of white people.
The issue is the PROPORTIONALITY of these same experiences for black people. For a subsection that makes up 12% of a population, surely you cannot dispute there is an issue that, as above, they make up 33% of the incarcerated? Or that they are 5x more likely to be stopped and 2.5x more likely to be shot by police? No-one is disputing training but there is a very pervasive issue in relation to black people. What I'm suggesting is that you try not to separate the two especially if that correlation is a core part of the conversation.
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Violent crime between 2008-2018
Offender
White 46%
Black 43%
Victim
White 60%
Black 33%
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What exactly has that to do with someone being stopped by the police for selling cigarettes (Eric Garner), playing with a toy gun in a park (Tamir Rice), driving with his girlfriend and child (Philando Castille), switching lanes while driving (Sandra Bland), waking home from a convenience store (Michael Brown)...? Who were their victims?
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As i just said, the victim part is not relevant at all, it was right next to the other stat and i figured it may interest some.
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Not sure about the accuracy of the statistics. However the I believe that there are three times more Whites than Blacks(Browns) in the USA, so that would have to be a part of any discussion.
What happened in Minneapolis was a disgrace, both the murder of this civilian and the rioting and looting from the stores by some individuals taking advantage of the situation.
btw: I read that 40 people were shot (8 killed) in "black" neighborhoods in Chicago this past week-end.
Were is the outrage? Were is the publicity?
Either way, what happened
posted on 28/5/20
"I just found BLM a farce"
You should have stopped here.
"and lots of black Americans agreed"
Some black slaves were okay with slavery. Whether it was Stockholm's or they felt being out in the cold was worse than the little they had or they weren't the ones being lynched. It doesn't mean that that was right. Also, I think you'll find more people agree with BLM than disagree.
"so I dint think it's fair to suggest all lack people felt BLM was the answer"
Where did I say "all"?
"As far as the media goes they def choose to pick what's topical."
Of course they do. Why do you think people know every single trip Cummings made but not that there will be an Irish border or that the government voted to lower food standards or even that they've made secret deals with the US for life post Brexit. But it's not the media's fault America has a serious problem between the police and the black community.
posted on 28/5/20
comment by Globaled (U7198)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019--... (U11551)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 10 minutes ago
As far as NUMBERS go, of course it stands to reason that the white experience would be greater. After all, there are approximately 235 million white people out of an approximate 330 million people. Compare that to approximately 40 million black people of that same total. So it makes sense that MORE white people would be arrested / killed etc in terms of numbers. This has been calculated to be in proportion to the overall number of white people.
The issue is the PROPORTIONALITY of these same experiences for black people. For a subsection that makes up 12% of a population, surely you cannot dispute there is an issue that, as above, they make up 33% of the incarcerated? Or that they are 5x more likely to be stopped and 2.5x more likely to be shot by police? No-one is disputing training but there is a very pervasive issue in relation to black people. What I'm suggesting is that you try not to separate the two especially if that correlation is a core part of the conversation.
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Violent crime between 2008-2018
Offender
White 46%
Black 43%
Victim
White 60%
Black 33%
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What exactly has that to do with someone being stopped by the police for selling cigarettes (Eric Garner), playing with a toy gun in a park (Tamir Rice), driving with his girlfriend and child (Philando Castille), switching lanes while driving (Sandra Bland), waking home from a convenience store (Michael Brown)...? Who were their victims?
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As i just said, the victim part is not relevant at all, it was right next to the other stat and i figured it may interest some.
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Not sure about the accuracy of the statistics. However the I believe that there are three times more Whites than Blacks(Browns) in the USA, so that would have to be a part of any discussion.
What happened in Minneapolis was a disgrace, both the murder of this civilian and the rioting and looting from the stores by some individuals taking advantage of the situation.
btw: I read that 40 people were shot (8 killed) in "black" neighborhoods in Chicago this past week-end.
Were is the outrage? Were is the publicity?
Either way, what happened
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Ok update I read the comment and typerd the response before I realised who had posted the above. My bad but I will continue
I do not know anyone that pretends there isn't a problem in chicago. These people are criminals and no one is arguing about that. If you are not an idiot but fail to see the difference between criminals killing each other and innocents and Cops killing black people then i have no more to say to you
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