It seems that way for sure, but I think it's too soon to be drawing any final conclusions and probably will be well into next year.
I tend to agree with you, but would suggest we all avoid being too definitive at this stage.
At least their government is willing to accept mistakes were made.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
At least their government is willing to accept mistakes were made.
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Completely agree.
Although I would question whether our people are mature enough to accept a government that admits its mistakes... whipped up by the media.
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 5 minutes ago
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
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If you honestly believe that may I suggest you haven't been paying close enough attention to events/policy.
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 6 minutes ago
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
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Well said. The usual suspects will disagree.
Boris can not be blamed or praised for any of this because he has only taken control of the situation today apparently.
I wonder what in particular has impressed you? Was it locking down too late despite seeing what was happening across Europe, was it sending patients into nursing homes untested, the continued failures on testing and provision of PPE or is it the almost 60,000 excess deaths?
Until a vaccine is available, deaths will continue and spikes will occur.
We cant lock people up for the next 12 -18 months.
Lets see what happens in the next year, the total swedish deaths may work out better compared to their neighbors as their figures will be toploaded with more deaths now and less in a few months due to the herd immunity.
Still too much unknown and a long way to go.
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wonder what in particular has impressed you? Was it locking down too late despite seeing what was happening across Europe, was it sending patients into nursing homes untested, the continued failures on testing and provision of PPE or is it the almost 60,000 excess deaths?
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Maybe it was failing to quarantine those coming into the country for months, or maybe buying the wrong PPE.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
At least their government is willing to accept mistakes were made.
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Completely agree.
Although I would question whether our people are mature enough to accept a government that admits its mistakes... whipped up by the media.
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I think they would accept a government that is honest with them. It would be a refreshing change.
comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 1 minute ago
Until a vaccine is available, deaths will continue and spikes will occur.
We cant lock people up for the next 12 -18 months.
Lets see what happens in the next year, the total swedish deaths may work out better compared to their neighbors as their figures will be toploaded with more deaths now and less in a few months due to the herd immunity.
Still too much unknown and a long way to go.
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Has Sweden published estimates of the % of the population who have become infected? In the UK its estimated at only around 7%. Herd Immunity in this sense will never work without mass casualties.
Herd Immunity is only achieved effectively by vaccination. Thats the basis of the principle. Having an effective therapy is also important.
It's also worth noting that most Swedes have been very sensible and quite a few locked down anyway... I think it's fair to say that we (UK) would not have been anywhere near as restrained.
Getting himself infected by shaking hands in the covid ward was unbelievably stupid
comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 5 minutes ago
Until a vaccine is available, deaths will continue and spikes will occur.
We cant lock people up for the next 12 -18 months..
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What if it mutated and started affecting all age groups?
This idea that life has to go on and the economy needs to survive seems to me to be a bi-product of it "only" affecting the old folks.
I do wonder how the tone would be if it were a disease that affected kids, for instance.
I'm not making any judgement btw, just a thought experiment.
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 24 minutes ago
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
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He has just done about has bad as he could.
The clown even caught it himself by shaking hands with those that had the virus.
Johnson is a complete object lesson on how not to handle the virus.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 6 minutes ago
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well said. The usual suspects will disagree.
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Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
Maybe it was failing to quarantine those coming into the country for months,
........
It was the major factor in the USA and the U.K. for sure.
The pattern that I can see from some of the available data is the spread has been mainly airborne and in major cities with massive public transport facilities.
Top that with how it has affected communities that live on top of each other through basic poverty.
During the next year it will be interesting to see where all the data leads us. My thought is that genetic make up may be a factor.
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 1 minute ago
Until a vaccine is available, deaths will continue and spikes will occur.
We cant lock people up for the next 12 -18 months.
Lets see what happens in the next year, the total swedish deaths may work out better compared to their neighbors as their figures will be toploaded with more deaths now and less in a few months due to the herd immunity.
Still too much unknown and a long way to go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Has Sweden published estimates of the % of the population who have become infected? In the UK its estimated at only around 7%. Herd Immunity in this sense will never work without mass casualties.
Herd Immunity is only achieved effectively by vaccination. Thats the basis of the principle. Having an effective therapy is also important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No Herd immunity can also be achieved by everyone catching it and becoming immune. Obviously its more efficient through vaccination but its not the only way.
Problem with this is that they still can say for sure if you even have immunity once you have had it or how long it lasts.
I would also say its just about impossible to guess a percentage of people that have had it without antibody testing for the whole country. So many people have had it and not been diagnosed because they wasnt hospitalised, its only the past week or so anyone with symptons can be tested.
the failure to test, test test was this governments biggest failure (amougst others I must add)
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
.........
Not that this makes it better but I bet you the U.K. doesn’t have the second highest death toll. There is a country just south of the USA that is brushing their data under the carpet.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wonder what in particular has impressed you? Was it locking down too late despite seeing what was happening across Europe, was it sending patients into nursing homes untested, the continued failures on testing and provision of PPE or is it the almost 60,000 excess deaths?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe it was failing to quarantine those coming into the country for months, or maybe buying the wrong PPE.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They also ignored previous PPE review recommendations (due to chronic under investment, and refusal to prepare) on stockpiling PPE.
Releasing shortages were inevitable, the government choose to downgrade CV19's severity a week after the WHO declared it as a world health emergency, and a global pandemic.
All so they would not have to meet emergency PPE numbers. Saving face was more important than saving lives - especially in care homes.
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 34 minutes ago
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can’t believe someone like this exists
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 0 seconds ago
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
.........
Not that this makes it better but I bet you the U.K. doesn’t have the second highest death toll. There is a country just south of the USA that is brushing their data under the carpet.
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And the bodies I might add.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 58 seconds ago
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
.........
Not that this makes it better but I bet you the U.K. doesn’t have the second highest death toll. There is a country just south of the USA that is brushing their data under the carpet.
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I dont think we will ever see a definitive death toll.
A lot of poorer countries will not be able to submit accurate figures
Locking down the country late despite clear warning signs from Italy and Spain was not a ‘mistake that was always going to happen’ It was pure stupidity. Don’t get me started on him giving the U.K. one last night out before closing the pubs.
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posted on 3/6/20
It seems that way for sure, but I think it's too soon to be drawing any final conclusions and probably will be well into next year.
I tend to agree with you, but would suggest we all avoid being too definitive at this stage.
posted on 3/6/20
At least their government is willing to accept mistakes were made.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
At least their government is willing to accept mistakes were made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Completely agree.
Although I would question whether our people are mature enough to accept a government that admits its mistakes... whipped up by the media.
posted on 3/6/20
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
posted on 3/6/20
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 5 minutes ago
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you honestly believe that may I suggest you haven't been paying close enough attention to events/policy.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 6 minutes ago
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well said. The usual suspects will disagree.
posted on 3/6/20
Boris can not be blamed or praised for any of this because he has only taken control of the situation today apparently.
posted on 3/6/20
I wonder what in particular has impressed you? Was it locking down too late despite seeing what was happening across Europe, was it sending patients into nursing homes untested, the continued failures on testing and provision of PPE or is it the almost 60,000 excess deaths?
posted on 3/6/20
Until a vaccine is available, deaths will continue and spikes will occur.
We cant lock people up for the next 12 -18 months.
Lets see what happens in the next year, the total swedish deaths may work out better compared to their neighbors as their figures will be toploaded with more deaths now and less in a few months due to the herd immunity.
Still too much unknown and a long way to go.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wonder what in particular has impressed you? Was it locking down too late despite seeing what was happening across Europe, was it sending patients into nursing homes untested, the continued failures on testing and provision of PPE or is it the almost 60,000 excess deaths?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe it was failing to quarantine those coming into the country for months, or maybe buying the wrong PPE.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
At least their government is willing to accept mistakes were made.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Completely agree.
Although I would question whether our people are mature enough to accept a government that admits its mistakes... whipped up by the media.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I think they would accept a government that is honest with them. It would be a refreshing change.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 1 minute ago
Until a vaccine is available, deaths will continue and spikes will occur.
We cant lock people up for the next 12 -18 months.
Lets see what happens in the next year, the total swedish deaths may work out better compared to their neighbors as their figures will be toploaded with more deaths now and less in a few months due to the herd immunity.
Still too much unknown and a long way to go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Has Sweden published estimates of the % of the population who have become infected? In the UK its estimated at only around 7%. Herd Immunity in this sense will never work without mass casualties.
Herd Immunity is only achieved effectively by vaccination. Thats the basis of the principle. Having an effective therapy is also important.
posted on 3/6/20
It's also worth noting that most Swedes have been very sensible and quite a few locked down anyway... I think it's fair to say that we (UK) would not have been anywhere near as restrained.
posted on 3/6/20
Getting himself infected by shaking hands in the covid ward was unbelievably stupid
posted on 3/6/20
comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 5 minutes ago
Until a vaccine is available, deaths will continue and spikes will occur.
We cant lock people up for the next 12 -18 months..
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What if it mutated and started affecting all age groups?
This idea that life has to go on and the economy needs to survive seems to me to be a bi-product of it "only" affecting the old folks.
I do wonder how the tone would be if it were a disease that affected kids, for instance.
I'm not making any judgement btw, just a thought experiment.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 24 minutes ago
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He has just done about has bad as he could.
The clown even caught it himself by shaking hands with those that had the virus.
Johnson is a complete object lesson on how not to handle the virus.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 6 minutes ago
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well said. The usual suspects will disagree.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
posted on 3/6/20
Maybe it was failing to quarantine those coming into the country for months,
........
It was the major factor in the USA and the U.K. for sure.
The pattern that I can see from some of the available data is the spread has been mainly airborne and in major cities with massive public transport facilities.
Top that with how it has affected communities that live on top of each other through basic poverty.
During the next year it will be interesting to see where all the data leads us. My thought is that genetic make up may be a factor.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by _Viva_Vida (U6044)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 1 minute ago
Until a vaccine is available, deaths will continue and spikes will occur.
We cant lock people up for the next 12 -18 months.
Lets see what happens in the next year, the total swedish deaths may work out better compared to their neighbors as their figures will be toploaded with more deaths now and less in a few months due to the herd immunity.
Still too much unknown and a long way to go.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Has Sweden published estimates of the % of the population who have become infected? In the UK its estimated at only around 7%. Herd Immunity in this sense will never work without mass casualties.
Herd Immunity is only achieved effectively by vaccination. Thats the basis of the principle. Having an effective therapy is also important.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No Herd immunity can also be achieved by everyone catching it and becoming immune. Obviously its more efficient through vaccination but its not the only way.
Problem with this is that they still can say for sure if you even have immunity once you have had it or how long it lasts.
I would also say its just about impossible to guess a percentage of people that have had it without antibody testing for the whole country. So many people have had it and not been diagnosed because they wasnt hospitalised, its only the past week or so anyone with symptons can be tested.
the failure to test, test test was this governments biggest failure (amougst others I must add)
posted on 3/6/20
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
.........
Not that this makes it better but I bet you the U.K. doesn’t have the second highest death toll. There is a country just south of the USA that is brushing their data under the carpet.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Wonder Man (U11164)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wonder what in particular has impressed you? Was it locking down too late despite seeing what was happening across Europe, was it sending patients into nursing homes untested, the continued failures on testing and provision of PPE or is it the almost 60,000 excess deaths?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe it was failing to quarantine those coming into the country for months, or maybe buying the wrong PPE.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They also ignored previous PPE review recommendations (due to chronic under investment, and refusal to prepare) on stockpiling PPE.
Releasing shortages were inevitable, the government choose to downgrade CV19's severity a week after the WHO declared it as a world health emergency, and a global pandemic.
All so they would not have to meet emergency PPE numbers. Saving face was more important than saving lives - especially in care homes.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 34 minutes ago
as far as im concerned BoJo has done a decent enough job.
of course mistakes were made... this is something that the world has never seen before, things were always going to missed at first, mistakes were always going to happen and questions were going to be asked.
anyone thinking otherwise is living in a fantasy world
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can’t believe someone like this exists
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 0 seconds ago
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
.........
Not that this makes it better but I bet you the U.K. doesn’t have the second highest death toll. There is a country just south of the USA that is brushing their data under the carpet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the bodies I might add.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 58 seconds ago
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
.........
Not that this makes it better but I bet you the U.K. doesn’t have the second highest death toll. There is a country just south of the USA that is brushing their data under the carpet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I dont think we will ever see a definitive death toll.
A lot of poorer countries will not be able to submit accurate figures
posted on 3/6/20
Locking down the country late despite clear warning signs from Italy and Spain was not a ‘mistake that was always going to happen’ It was pure stupidity. Don’t get me started on him giving the U.K. one last night out before closing the pubs.
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