Don’t get me started on him giving the U.K. one last night out before closing the pubs.
How many on here availed of that? Be honest
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 0 seconds ago
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
.........
Not that this makes it better but I bet you the U.K. doesn’t have the second highest death toll. There is a country just south of the USA that is brushing their data under the carpet.
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And the bodies I might add.
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Where’s your proof? Or are you just using false whataboutery to excuse the mistakes of this absolutely shambolic excuse for a government?
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
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Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 0 seconds ago
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
.........
Not that this makes it better but I bet you the U.K. doesn’t have the second highest death toll. There is a country just south of the USA that is brushing their data under the carpet.
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And the bodies I might add.
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Where’s your proof? Or are you just using false whataboutery to excuse the mistakes of this absolutely shambolic excuse for a government?
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You can’t really be that naive, can you?
Where’s your proof?
.....
I don’t have any. Do you believe the Data coming out of Mexico consider the news story that came out there a few weeks back about mass graves being dug and incinerators not being able to keep up with the deaths.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 38 seconds ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
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Agreed.....China will lie better than Boris on Fathers day, and Russia,denied they had a viris problem in March 2020.
Brazil is led by a loon who makes Trump look like a woke liberal lefty, and with such vast poor areas in the their cities, who knows or cares to count?
Mexico has so many drug and cartel murders that covid may actually now be reducing the death rate, as bangers stay home?
In the West, we do not properly count deaths either, in care and private homes.
Pick a number and double it.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 7 minutes ago
Don’t get me started on him giving the U.K. one last night out before closing the pubs.
How many on here availed of that? Be honest
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I stayed well out of it. Plenty of people I know went for it though unfortunately.
Arteta has done more to protect the country that Boris Johnson. If he hadn't got the virus and come out publically that would have been another full weekend of premier league matches going ahead.
I don’t have any.
Of course you don’t, so shutup and don’t talk about something you have no idea about. A decent enough job? Look at what’s happened to our care homes here, we’ve got a health secretary who falsely claims that they’ve protected them with all the might they’ve had. Stick to the shambles that’s happening over the pond where you live.
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
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Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Best is counting nasal and throat swabs as Two tests.
By that logic, with two eyes,I require two pairs of glasses.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
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Like the UK is reporting the true death toll. They have lied about everything else, especially testing, so why would anybody believe the figures they put out on deaths. I suspect the true figure is close to 100,000.
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Best is counting nasal and throat swabs as Two tests.
By that logic, with two eyes,I require two pairs of glasses.
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How are you feeling now?
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 14 seconds ago
I don’t have any.
Of course you don’t, so shutup and don’t talk about something you have no idea about. A decent enough job? Look at what’s happened to our care homes here, we’ve got a health secretary who falsely claims that they’ve protected them with all the might they’ve had. Stick to the shambles that’s happening over the pond where you live.
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Am so used to this kind of reply, I thought this was for me, LMAO.
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t have any.
Of course you don’t, so shutup and don’t talk about something you have no idea about. A decent enough job? Look at what’s happened to our care homes here, we’ve got a health secretary who falsely claims that they’ve protected them with all the might they’ve had. Stick to the shambles that’s happening over the pond where you live.
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👏🏻
Whataboutery is all VC has.
Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
.......
For sure. Boris totally messed this up at the start and I would guess that is where at least half the U.K. deaths came from. If, as I am led to believe, he was acting on advice from his scientist and doctors, then it is clear they got it totally wrong.
The clown my side of the pond did the opposite and ignored his scientists and got it totally wrong.
The U.K. certainty has to look into how those in the know were not in sync with nearly every one else.
Boris totally messed this up at the start and I would guess that is where at least half the U.K. deaths came from.
———-
So you admit he messed up and from your own estimates a good 20,000 plus died because of it yet you still defend the job he’s done?
Jeeeesus
Of course you don’t, so shutup
........
Some one as pathetic as you will not shut me up.
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like the UK is reporting the true death toll. They have lied about everything else, especially testing, so why would anybody believe the figures they put out on deaths. I suspect the true figure is close to 100,000.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably not quite that bad but this is an extract from the ONS
Between Weeks 1 and 12, 138,916 deaths were registered, which was 4,822 fewer than the five-year average for these weeks. However, between Weeks 13 and 21, 147,863 deaths were registered, which was 56,308 more than the five-year average.
so 56k+ extra deaths in 9 weeks
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
.......
For sure. Boris totally messed this up at the start and I would guess that is where at least half the U.K. deaths came from. If, as I am led to believe, he was acting on advice from his scientist and doctors, then it is clear they got it totally wrong.
The clown my side of the pond did the opposite and ignored his scientists and got it totally wrong.
The U.K. certainty has to look into how those in the know were not in sync with nearly every one else.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The SAGE committee told Boris to lockdown a week earlier than he did. He ignored them, Cheltenham went ahead and we’ve got 40,000 deaths and one of the highest excess deaths in the world. Is that decent enough for you?
So you admit he messed up
.......
Of course I do. I have said more than once on here that he was at least two weeks late in shutting down.
He tried to do a balancing act and he got it wrong.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Of course you don’t, so shutup
........
Some one as pathetic as you will not shut me up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The one being shown up for the pathetic mug they are is saying the PM has done a decent enough job for recording the second highest death toll in the world.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 28 seconds ago
Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
.......
For sure. Boris totally messed this up at the start and I would guess that is where at least half the U.K. deaths came from. If, as I am led to believe, he was acting on advice from his scientist and doctors, then it is clear they got it totally wrong.
The clown my side of the pond did the opposite and ignored his scientists and got it totally wrong.
The U.K. certainty has to look into how those in the know were not in sync with nearly every one else.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hopefully what happened, and what went wrong will be unearthed following a public enquiry.
Whilst at times the government have listened to the science, this has not always been the case (current loosening of restrictions a recent example).
Whilst no government could get everything right the UK had the advantage of seeing what was unfolding around the world, and then on it's doorstep, but being far far too slow to act.
Probably because they had accepted everyone was going to get it, and considered herd immunity as a valid approach. Which they acknowledged at the time was different to most other countries.
Even if the government had implemented some of the Project Sygnus (2016) recommendations, (which was so damning findings were not made public) health care workers etc and care homes might have been better prepared.
The one being shown up for the pathetic mug
......
What a weak insult.
Going back to the OP, it may be a good thing in the long term that Sweden took the approach it did. I suspect their government looked at their geography, climate, population density and diversity.
When this is over and we hopefully do get the true figures from all countries, then detailed analysis can be done. Having different countries tackling it in different ways will be invaluable against further future pandemics. We can take the good bits from the different approaches and discard the terrible mistakes that have obviously been made. Future generations will then be able to tackle such viruses much better in the future.
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posted on 3/6/20
Don’t get me started on him giving the U.K. one last night out before closing the pubs.
How many on here availed of that? Be honest
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 0 seconds ago
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
.........
Not that this makes it better but I bet you the U.K. doesn’t have the second highest death toll. There is a country just south of the USA that is brushing their data under the carpet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the bodies I might add.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where’s your proof? Or are you just using false whataboutery to excuse the mistakes of this absolutely shambolic excuse for a government?
posted on 3/6/20
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 0 seconds ago
Second highest death toll in the world is considered decent I can’t believe I’m listening to this
.........
Not that this makes it better but I bet you the U.K. doesn’t have the second highest death toll. There is a country just south of the USA that is brushing their data under the carpet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And the bodies I might add.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Where’s your proof? Or are you just using false whataboutery to excuse the mistakes of this absolutely shambolic excuse for a government?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can’t really be that naive, can you?
posted on 3/6/20
Where’s your proof?
.....
I don’t have any. Do you believe the Data coming out of Mexico consider the news story that came out there a few weeks back about mass graves being dug and incinerators not being able to keep up with the deaths.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 38 seconds ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Agreed.....China will lie better than Boris on Fathers day, and Russia,denied they had a viris problem in March 2020.
Brazil is led by a loon who makes Trump look like a woke liberal lefty, and with such vast poor areas in the their cities, who knows or cares to count?
Mexico has so many drug and cartel murders that covid may actually now be reducing the death rate, as bangers stay home?
In the West, we do not properly count deaths either, in care and private homes.
Pick a number and double it.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 7 minutes ago
Don’t get me started on him giving the U.K. one last night out before closing the pubs.
How many on here availed of that? Be honest
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I stayed well out of it. Plenty of people I know went for it though unfortunately.
posted on 3/6/20
Arteta has done more to protect the country that Boris Johnson. If he hadn't got the virus and come out publically that would have been another full weekend of premier league matches going ahead.
posted on 3/6/20
I don’t have any.
Of course you don’t, so shutup and don’t talk about something you have no idea about. A decent enough job? Look at what’s happened to our care homes here, we’ve got a health secretary who falsely claims that they’ve protected them with all the might they’ve had. Stick to the shambles that’s happening over the pond where you live.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Best is counting nasal and throat swabs as Two tests.
By that logic, with two eyes,I require two pairs of glasses.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like the UK is reporting the true death toll. They have lied about everything else, especially testing, so why would anybody believe the figures they put out on deaths. I suspect the true figure is close to 100,000.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Better than Gozer the Gozerian (U3126)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Best is counting nasal and throat swabs as Two tests.
By that logic, with two eyes,I require two pairs of glasses.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How are you feeling now?
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 14 seconds ago
I don’t have any.
Of course you don’t, so shutup and don’t talk about something you have no idea about. A decent enough job? Look at what’s happened to our care homes here, we’ve got a health secretary who falsely claims that they’ve protected them with all the might they’ve had. Stick to the shambles that’s happening over the pond where you live.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Am so used to this kind of reply, I thought this was for me, LMAO.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Constantinople (U11781)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don’t have any.
Of course you don’t, so shutup and don’t talk about something you have no idea about. A decent enough job? Look at what’s happened to our care homes here, we’ve got a health secretary who falsely claims that they’ve protected them with all the might they’ve had. Stick to the shambles that’s happening over the pond where you live.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
👏🏻
Whataboutery is all VC has.
posted on 3/6/20
Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
.......
For sure. Boris totally messed this up at the start and I would guess that is where at least half the U.K. deaths came from. If, as I am led to believe, he was acting on advice from his scientist and doctors, then it is clear they got it totally wrong.
The clown my side of the pond did the opposite and ignored his scientists and got it totally wrong.
The U.K. certainty has to look into how those in the know were not in sync with nearly every one else.
posted on 3/6/20
Boris totally messed this up at the start and I would guess that is where at least half the U.K. deaths came from.
———-
So you admit he messed up and from your own estimates a good 20,000 plus died because of it yet you still defend the job he’s done?
Jeeeesus
posted on 3/6/20
Of course you don’t, so shutup
........
Some one as pathetic as you will not shut me up.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by sandy (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 5 minutes ago
Morning Irish.
No we won’t. I will never be convinced data from China, Russia, Mexico and Brazil will ever be accurate, just to name a few countries.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Like the UK is reporting the true death toll. They have lied about everything else, especially testing, so why would anybody believe the figures they put out on deaths. I suspect the true figure is close to 100,000.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Probably not quite that bad but this is an extract from the ONS
Between Weeks 1 and 12, 138,916 deaths were registered, which was 4,822 fewer than the five-year average for these weeks. However, between Weeks 13 and 21, 147,863 deaths were registered, which was 56,308 more than the five-year average.
so 56k+ extra deaths in 9 weeks
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
.......
For sure. Boris totally messed this up at the start and I would guess that is where at least half the U.K. deaths came from. If, as I am led to believe, he was acting on advice from his scientist and doctors, then it is clear they got it totally wrong.
The clown my side of the pond did the opposite and ignored his scientists and got it totally wrong.
The U.K. certainty has to look into how those in the know were not in sync with nearly every one else.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The SAGE committee told Boris to lockdown a week earlier than he did. He ignored them, Cheltenham went ahead and we’ve got 40,000 deaths and one of the highest excess deaths in the world. Is that decent enough for you?
posted on 3/6/20
So you admit he messed up
.......
Of course I do. I have said more than once on here that he was at least two weeks late in shutting down.
He tried to do a balancing act and he got it wrong.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 3 minutes ago
Of course you don’t, so shutup
........
Some one as pathetic as you will not shut me up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The one being shown up for the pathetic mug they are is saying the PM has done a decent enough job for recording the second highest death toll in the world.
posted on 3/6/20
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 28 seconds ago
Very true. That said the UK has been equally as bad (in regard to reporting figures etc).
Some of the stuff surrounding testing has been laughable - if it wasn't so serious.
.......
For sure. Boris totally messed this up at the start and I would guess that is where at least half the U.K. deaths came from. If, as I am led to believe, he was acting on advice from his scientist and doctors, then it is clear they got it totally wrong.
The clown my side of the pond did the opposite and ignored his scientists and got it totally wrong.
The U.K. certainty has to look into how those in the know were not in sync with nearly every one else.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hopefully what happened, and what went wrong will be unearthed following a public enquiry.
Whilst at times the government have listened to the science, this has not always been the case (current loosening of restrictions a recent example).
Whilst no government could get everything right the UK had the advantage of seeing what was unfolding around the world, and then on it's doorstep, but being far far too slow to act.
Probably because they had accepted everyone was going to get it, and considered herd immunity as a valid approach. Which they acknowledged at the time was different to most other countries.
Even if the government had implemented some of the Project Sygnus (2016) recommendations, (which was so damning findings were not made public) health care workers etc and care homes might have been better prepared.
posted on 3/6/20
The one being shown up for the pathetic mug
......
What a weak insult.
posted on 3/6/20
Going back to the OP, it may be a good thing in the long term that Sweden took the approach it did. I suspect their government looked at their geography, climate, population density and diversity.
When this is over and we hopefully do get the true figures from all countries, then detailed analysis can be done. Having different countries tackling it in different ways will be invaluable against further future pandemics. We can take the good bits from the different approaches and discard the terrible mistakes that have obviously been made. Future generations will then be able to tackle such viruses much better in the future.
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