Wow, this is the kind of heartless cants I’m dealing with

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Yes. We are called parents who put the lives of our children above our own social needs.

Bad us.

exactly, Ben Needham, Jamie Bulger... i have nothing but absolute sympathy for the parents of those 2 kids.

snatched in a split second... not because their e parents decided they needed one last night of peace

So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)

Any parents who leave (regularly) 3 small children in an apartment while they are out drinking from 8 til 1 is guilty of neglect regardless of how many times they pop back for a look.

I saw the sniffer dog footage the other day, no wonder the local police thought they should of been charged. I'm amazed they were allowed to fly home.

comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 13 seconds ago
people don't leave their kids alone especially at that age because of fear that they may be abducted or harmed

Its not normal

Why are people going on like its normal. It's not done for a reason you reetarded vankers

Kids safety comes 1st not partying with friends
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Did they deserve to have their kid abducted and murdered? That’s what the crux of this debate comes down to
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It isn't about what they deserved. The reality is that is what happened. They risked their children's safety and have paid the ultimate price.

comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 7 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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wasnt a mistake Barry... it was a choice

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must... (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
Robb, winston and barry.... wow... what a collective set of fecking idiots
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This

if i was in the mcanns shoes (not that i ever would) i would wholeheartedly blame myself for what happened.

my child, my responsibility.

I hope it eats away at them for the rest of their miserable existance

comment by PawlBawron (U1055)
posted 1 minute ago
Any parents who leave (regularly) 3 small children in an apartment while they are out drinking from 8 til 1 is guilty of neglect regardless of how many times they pop back for a look.

I saw the sniffer dog footage the other day, no wonder the local police thought they should of been charged. I'm amazed they were allowed to fly home.
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would still not shock me in the slightest if they killed her.

this new german guy is just one of a long list of suspects... yet all the major evidence points right back at the Mcanns themselves

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 minutes ago
reports came out that maddie had asked why they hadnt come in the night before when she was crying, something which raised the question that she may have seen something then and an abduction may have been attempted... and they fecking STILL left them again
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Yep, I read that before. If it is true, what kind of person goes out and leaves their kids alone again, knowing that they had woken in the middle of the night and were upset because their parents weren't there?

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 10 minutes ago
reports came out that maddie had asked why they hadnt come in the night before when she was crying, something which raised the question that she may have seen something then and an abduction may have been attempted... and they fecking STILL left them again
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Yep, I read that before. If it is true, what kind of person goes out and leaves their kids alone again, knowing that they had woken in the middle of the night and were upset because their parents weren't there?
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clearly the kind Robb will turn out to be

comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die

In my opinion, they simply made a mistake in leaving three very young children unsupervised. I've lost count of the number of times my wife and I were on holiday with ours when they were under 5 and we would set out for the evening with pushchairs weighed down by changing bags filled with nappies, change of clothes, dummies, rattles, toys and so on. It's just what you should do as a parent.

My emotions as a parent say capital punishment is the way to go, but when I sit and think clearly, we are better than this, so a full life sentence should be the outcome.

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 28 seconds ago
exactly, Ben Needham, Jamie Bulger... i have nothing but absolute sympathy for the parents of those 2 kids.

snatched in a split second... not because their e parents decided they needed one last night of peace
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You can't be there 100% of the time. Everyone knows that. A couple in the next street to me years ago took their eye off their young kid for a split second in the back garden and the kid was eventually found drowned in a pond across the road from my house. A tragic accident.

Also, a few weeks prior to that a 10 yo kid died going through the bins behind the Co-op I worked in. The lid closed on his neck and killed him instantly. Again a tragic accident that's difficult to avoid unless you wrap your children up in cotton wool.

There is a difference though between those examples and Maddie McCann.

I don't think Robb is coming at this from a bad place though as I think his main point is that 'the punishment (Maddie's abduction) doesn't fit the crime (them leaving the kids). I don't think that either but some blame must be attached to them IMO.

comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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Others were saying they did deserve for their kid to die because of their mistake though.

I don't think Robb is coming at this from a bad place though as I think his main point is that 'the punishment (Maddie's abduction) doesn't fit the crime (them leaving the kids). I don't think that either but some blame must be attached to them IMO.
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No i agree, it doesnt fit the crime at all, im 100% behind you on that.

however they still made the choice, so they are still to blame.

comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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Others were saying they did deserve for their kid to die because of their mistake though.
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who said that??

comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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Others were saying they did deserve for their kid to die because of their mistake though.
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i don't think anyone believes that

comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 8 minutes ago
If you risk the safety of your children so that you can eat and drink in peace, then you deserve the punishment that you get.
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Wow, this is the kind of heartless cants I’m dealing with

Like Winston, I’m outta here.
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So you think it is ok to risk the lives of children so you can enjoy a meal in peace? Because they is what they did Robb. They were unlucky to pay the ultimate price. But they are 100% to blame for putting their children in danger. Just as the abductor is 100% to blame for abducting and likely killing their daughter.

You keep trying to apportion blame between the McCanns and the abductor. Asking who is most to blame. But we are talking about two separate actions here. The action of leaving your children alone. And the act of abducting a child.

Dermot Murhaghan interview, 01 May 2008
Dermot Murnaghan interview Sky News

Transcript by Nigel Moore
Interview broadcast: 01 May 2008

Transcript

Dermot Murnaghan: "Was Madeleine upset the night before, about being left alone. Had she… had she had a moment and got out of bed and started crying and started looking for you?"

Kate McCann: I mean, I don't want to dwell on it too much, I mean, I don't know if you saw the documentary last night, so, I mean, I have talked about it, errm... Madeleine made a comment, errm… in passing, that, errm… 'Where were you when I cried?' Not just to mummy, by the way, just generally, errm… and it just seemed a bit odd. I mean, it was a very, kind of, passing remark and we just thought, 'Oh, she doesn't usually wake up' and, she woke up; that means that, you know, she must have fallen back asleep very quickly, errm... and then she moved on… you know, she moved on.

Gerry McCann: Anybody with young children will understand that children cry; they wake up at night. During that week there was one night, errr… and we can't give too much detail because it's part of the investigation file but there was one night where Madeleine came through and one of the other, errr… twins were crying, so, you know, and when she did mention to it… it to us and we asked her about it and she just dropped… she was completely fine and we thought, 'Was it when they were bathing, getting them, you know, first putting them down in that period when they're really tired. Of course, with hindsight, in the… in the context of what had happened; of Madeleine being abducted, it's put in a very different light and it's put in a very different light to us and, of course, we emphasised that to the police.

Kate McCann: If Madeleine hadn't been abducted… if Madeleine hadn't been abducted we'd never have thought of that comment again, you know, it's only in hindsight that… you know, which is a wonderful thing, you think, 'I wonder was that relevant?' and hence the reason why we told the authorities, you know.




taken from an interview... and they still left her alone again... absolutely heartbreaking

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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Others were saying they did deserve for their kid to die because of their mistake though.
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who said that??
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Elvis guy:

"If you risk the safety of your children so that you can eat and drink in peace, then you deserve the punishment that you get."

comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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50 metres as the crow flies. 80m to walk back via the paths. With the steps, I guess you are looking at about 90 seconds to get back to the room. Much too far. When my youngest (5) is playing out on the street I am nervous if I can't cover the ground between us in a few seconds.

comment by dunc manson... you must follow ole... you must follow ole (U11713)
posted 1 minute ago
I don't think Robb is coming at this from a bad place though as I think his main point is that 'the punishment (Maddie's abduction) doesn't fit the crime (them leaving the kids). I don't think that either but some blame must be attached to them IMO.
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No i agree, it doesnt fit the crime at all, im 100% behind you on that.

however they still made the choice, so they are still to blame.
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Abduction would be low down on the risks you'd consider when thinking of what could harm your kids. They'd have been much more likely to suffer because of medical conditions so it really surprises me why a couple of well off doctors though it OK to leave the kids alone when they could have arranged childcare. Failing that why not just have shifts from those who were at the dinner party where someone was there with them the whole time?

comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 4 hours, 14 minutes ago
Can't believe people are defending these selfish cants who left their kids alone to go on a bender

I mean really

Wtf is wrong with people. Basic parenting ffs
They were fecking under 4s for crying out loud

They refused child minding service which was available to them because it wasn't convenient

Selfish bastardss
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Fack me, exaggerate a little

Went for a meal a few hundred feet from the apartment, going back and checking the kids every 15 minutes has turned into going on a 'bender'.

comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by CanULeiva (U18359)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Paul Tosh (U1734)
posted 53 seconds ago
So you are saying that you are perfect parents and if you make a mistake then I can kill your kid and you'd deserve it? (note: joking to making a point. No one getting murdered)
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Make a mistake? They left 3 kids alone all under the age of 5 to basically fend for themselves. They were over 50 meters away out of sight getting drunk

Its unforgivable in my eyes although i agree they don't deserve their kids to die
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Others were saying they did deserve for their kid to die because of their mistake though.
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i don't think anyone believes that
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really who said.

They made a stupid selfish decision and paid an utterly horrendous price

I hope they get some closure soon