Why do you keep deleting?
Do you want everyone to just agree with you?
comment by Oscar. 2019 YEAR OF THE MACK! #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
America needs to continue to reform and have these issues highlighted, but what is the only thing that happens in the UK that could be viewed as racist? Black people get stop and searched more, when to be fair that is because of the gang culture and the stabbings. If you see a tracksuited guy walking around in London and he's black you are going to assume naturally he is carrying a knife due to the excess gang/postcode wars.
It's not racist it's a fact. And as Anthony Joshua said until they stop this nonsense of gangs/post code wars and become one and united (Ironically the biggest issue black people have in the UK is not white people but it is unity within themselves)
Until they do that and put the guns/knives down nothing can or will change. Like what do they actually want the government to change? You can't change the amount of stop and searches because of the risk of knife/gun crime.
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You can't come on here just telling the truth like that!
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why do you keep deleting?
Do you want everyone to just agree with you?
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No, I just can’t stomach anyone that thinks defacing a statue like that of Churchill is acceptable or even funny / it’s a despicable act of vandalism
And you might not share the same sentiments as myself, that’s fine, but to then suggest such acts are just a bit of harmless fun is a disgraceful attitude, and doesn’t have place on here
If you want to glorify such actions, create a new post, and you can write what you like 👍🏼
I’m not glorifying anything, I think they shouldn’t have done it, but it’s hardly “sickening” or “despicable”
Despite your opinion Churchill was a decisive figure who looked upon the working classes as mere peasants
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
Divisive not decisive
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Yes, I accept he was a divisive and controversial figure...but he is also the greatest Prime Minister Great Britain has ever had, and led the Country through perhaps the darkest times in its existence
I don’t mind people not liking him, or even being critical of some of his actions, but to deface his statue and legacy is an insult to the entire Country and for all all it stands for - a statue of Churchill represents so much more than the man himself, it stands for freedom and democracy - to disrespect it, you are disrespecting the entire Country
I don’t see that
Like I say, it shouldn’t have happened but a worse crime happened in my local area today, someone spat at a baby being pushed in its buggy
That is sickening and despicable
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posted 54 minutes ago
Divisive not decisive
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Divisive and decisive?
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
I don’t see that
Like I say, it shouldn’t have happened but a worse crime happened in my local area today, someone spat at a baby being pushed in its buggy
That is sickening and despicable
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Both are sickening and despicable - just different kinds IMO 👍🏼
As I say, the statue represents so much more than the man himself, in my eyes it represents the Nation of GB itself
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
#Antwerp authorities have removed a statue of colonial Belgian King Leopold II after the weekend’s #BlackLivesMatter protest. The campaign to remove all of them continues. #DRC #KingLeopoldII #Belgium
https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/1270313880800149504?s=21
Fair. King Leopold was an evil evil man
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comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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This is a discussion I've had many times with a variety of people and it's always amazed me how some people have put forward ideas that I'd never thought of.
What u say is not a new argument for me and has a lot of truth behind it.
What I mean is even in India there are movements against ghandi for example. These movements blame ghandi for becoming the poster boy, for want of a better word, for freedom as they feel he was pushed into that position because he was "safe" and it took emphasis of the struggle by the real folk who "forced" changes but are often labelled terrorists or such because them becoming heroes would be bad for the powers that be.
Even MLK is seen in this way by some I've spoken to. And it was confirmed a few years ago that the housing laws in America were changed due to the black panther movement and fear of what they were doing but it was felt that it was safer to say that it was MLK efforts as precedent would be set that violence gets u what u want.
Obviously more nuanced than what I have written but the powers that be simply couldn't say Malcolm x like figures forced powers that be to rethink
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 14 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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Guerilla warfare mate.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 13 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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This is a discussion I've had many times with a variety of people and it's always amazed me how some people have put forward ideas that I'd never thought of.
What u say is not a new argument for me and has a lot of truth behind it.
What I mean is even in India there are movements against ghandi for example. These movements blame ghandi for becoming the poster boy, for want of a better word, for freedom as they feel he was pushed into that position because he was "safe" and it took emphasis of the struggle by the real folk who "forced" changes but are often labelled terrorists or such because them becoming heroes would be bad for the powers that be.
Even MLK is seen in this way by some I've spoken to. And it was confirmed a few years ago that the housing laws in America were changed due to the black panther movement and fear of what they were doing but it was felt that it was safer to say that it was MLK efforts as precedent would be set that violence gets u what u want.
Obviously more nuanced than what I have written but the powers that be simply couldn't say Malcolm x like figures forced powers that be to rethink
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Its the same in all the colonies. It was colonial powers that chose these people, installing them as leader under a constitution that gave that person the same powers in that country as the Queen of England and PM put together has in England, a truly imperial, all powerful leader.
In Africa this leader would belong to a specific tribe, installed as imperial ruler over all the other 30 or so tribes which had been forced into forming a country by the colonial powers. They were cobbled into countries depending on the colonial interests and availability of resources. Money was the only consideration when deciding where a border should pass and then they proceeded to play favourites with whoever cooperated the most. They created cauldrons, not nations.
And that's two of the ways that colonial powers lit the fuse in Africa and opened the door for many wars and clashes. It was a recipe for disaster that would lead to coup after coup, and nobody teaches kids in school that most of the world is the way it is because of colonisation. That's why some people in the West have no real sympathy or empathy for these countries, they simply have no idea and it's not taught in schools. You tell them their country did these things and they stare at you in shock as they've never heard it before.
No country in the world teaches the real hard truths about itself. Only Germany comes close to that by teaching about natzis but even then they only teach what they can't get away with not teaching. Failing to teach kids the truth is a world problem that is going to slow down human advancement significantly IMO.
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 14 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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Guerilla warfare mate.
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Are you a pacifist or freedom fighter, mate?
Living in Ulster, "guerrilla warfare" and paramilitaries are grey areas in relation to religous-political problems.
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posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 14 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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What can you do about a system that doesn't allow you a vote?
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Guerilla warfare mate.
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Are you a pacifist or freedom fighter, mate?
Living in Ulster, "guerrilla warfare" and paramilitaries are grey areas in relation to religous-political problems.
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I was answering a question Blue, not making a statement on my beliefs.
But still I'm not sure I'm a pacifist, I just try to use common sense. If your country was invaded and colonised by another country would you remain and pacifist? That is the question here. The likelihood of guerilla warfare seems to be directly proportional to the chances of success via diplomatic means.
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 13 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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This is a discussion I've had many times with a variety of people and it's always amazed me how some people have put forward ideas that I'd never thought of.
What u say is not a new argument for me and has a lot of truth behind it.
What I mean is even in India there are movements against ghandi for example. These movements blame ghandi for becoming the poster boy, for want of a better word, for freedom as they feel he was pushed into that position because he was "safe" and it took emphasis of the struggle by the real folk who "forced" changes but are often labelled terrorists or such because them becoming heroes would be bad for the powers that be.
Even MLK is seen in this way by some I've spoken to. And it was confirmed a few years ago that the housing laws in America were changed due to the black panther movement and fear of what they were doing but it was felt that it was safer to say that it was MLK efforts as precedent would be set that violence gets u what u want.
Obviously more nuanced than what I have written but the powers that be simply couldn't say Malcolm x like figures forced powers that be to rethink
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Its the same in all the colonies. It was colonial powers that chose these people, installing them as leader under a constitution that gave that person the same powers in that country as the Queen of England and PM put together has in England, a truly imperial, all powerful leader.
In Africa this leader would belong to a specific tribe, installed as imperial ruler over all the other 30 or so tribes which had been forced into forming a country by the colonial powers. They were cobbled into countries depending on the colonial interests and availability of resources. Money was the only consideration when deciding where a border should pass and then they proceeded to play favourites with whoever cooperated the most. They created cauldrons, not nations.
And that's two of the ways that colonial powers lit the fuse in Africa and opened the door for many wars and clashes. It was a recipe for disaster that would lead to coup after coup, and nobody teaches kids in school that most of the world is the way it is because of colonisation. That's why some people in the West have no real sympathy or empathy for these countries, they simply have no idea and it's not taught in schools. You tell them their country did these things and they stare at you in shock as they've never heard it before.
No country in the world teaches the real hard truths about itself. Only Germany comes close to that by teaching about natzis but even then they only teach what they can't get away with not teaching. Failing to teach kids the truth is a world problem that is going to slow down human advancement significantly IMO.
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Defo
Little Britain removed from Netflix and BBC because of the use of a blackface Lol really is becoming embarrassing this situation now, even black people must feel so embarrassed
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posted 22 minutes ago
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posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 14 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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Guerilla warfare mate.
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Are you a pacifist or freedom fighter, mate?
Living in Ulster, "guerrilla warfare" and paramilitaries are grey areas in relation to religous-political problems.
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I was answering a question Blue, not making a statement on my beliefs.
But still I'm not sure I'm a pacifist, I just try to use common sense. If your country was invaded and colonised by another country would you remain and pacifist? That is the question here. The likelihood of guerilla warfare seems to be directly proportional to the chances of success via diplomatic means.
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No worries.
I am not sure I am pacifist either.....when Hitler posed a threat, not resisting natzis was a luxury pacifists enjoyed.
But, I get war is vile.
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Why do you keep deleting?
Do you want everyone to just agree with you?
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Oscar. 2019 YEAR OF THE MACK! #TeamFury (U12980)
posted 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
America needs to continue to reform and have these issues highlighted, but what is the only thing that happens in the UK that could be viewed as racist? Black people get stop and searched more, when to be fair that is because of the gang culture and the stabbings. If you see a tracksuited guy walking around in London and he's black you are going to assume naturally he is carrying a knife due to the excess gang/postcode wars.
It's not racist it's a fact. And as Anthony Joshua said until they stop this nonsense of gangs/post code wars and become one and united (Ironically the biggest issue black people have in the UK is not white people but it is unity within themselves)
Until they do that and put the guns/knives down nothing can or will change. Like what do they actually want the government to change? You can't change the amount of stop and searches because of the risk of knife/gun crime.
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You can't come on here just telling the truth like that!
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 2 minutes ago
Why do you keep deleting?
Do you want everyone to just agree with you?
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No, I just can’t stomach anyone that thinks defacing a statue like that of Churchill is acceptable or even funny / it’s a despicable act of vandalism
And you might not share the same sentiments as myself, that’s fine, but to then suggest such acts are just a bit of harmless fun is a disgraceful attitude, and doesn’t have place on here
If you want to glorify such actions, create a new post, and you can write what you like 👍🏼
posted on 8/6/20
I’m not glorifying anything, I think they shouldn’t have done it, but it’s hardly “sickening” or “despicable”
Despite your opinion Churchill was a decisive figure who looked upon the working classes as mere peasants
posted on 8/6/20
Divisive not decisive
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
Divisive not decisive
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Yes, I accept he was a divisive and controversial figure...but he is also the greatest Prime Minister Great Britain has ever had, and led the Country through perhaps the darkest times in its existence
I don’t mind people not liking him, or even being critical of some of his actions, but to deface his statue and legacy is an insult to the entire Country and for all all it stands for - a statue of Churchill represents so much more than the man himself, it stands for freedom and democracy - to disrespect it, you are disrespecting the entire Country
posted on 8/6/20
I don’t see that
Like I say, it shouldn’t have happened but a worse crime happened in my local area today, someone spat at a baby being pushed in its buggy
That is sickening and despicable
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 54 minutes ago
Divisive not decisive
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Divisive and decisive?
posted on 8/6/20
comment by Geoff Tipps (U1449)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
I don’t see that
Like I say, it shouldn’t have happened but a worse crime happened in my local area today, someone spat at a baby being pushed in its buggy
That is sickening and despicable
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Both are sickening and despicable - just different kinds IMO 👍🏼
As I say, the statue represents so much more than the man himself, in my eyes it represents the Nation of GB itself
posted on 9/6/20
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
posted on 9/6/20
#Antwerp authorities have removed a statue of colonial Belgian King Leopold II after the weekend’s #BlackLivesMatter protest. The campaign to remove all of them continues. #DRC #KingLeopoldII #Belgium
https://twitter.com/jackeparrock/status/1270313880800149504?s=21
Fair. King Leopold was an evil evil man
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What can you do about a system that doesn't allow you a vote?
Revolution...
posted on 9/6/20
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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This is a discussion I've had many times with a variety of people and it's always amazed me how some people have put forward ideas that I'd never thought of.
What u say is not a new argument for me and has a lot of truth behind it.
What I mean is even in India there are movements against ghandi for example. These movements blame ghandi for becoming the poster boy, for want of a better word, for freedom as they feel he was pushed into that position because he was "safe" and it took emphasis of the struggle by the real folk who "forced" changes but are often labelled terrorists or such because them becoming heroes would be bad for the powers that be.
Even MLK is seen in this way by some I've spoken to. And it was confirmed a few years ago that the housing laws in America were changed due to the black panther movement and fear of what they were doing but it was felt that it was safer to say that it was MLK efforts as precedent would be set that violence gets u what u want.
Obviously more nuanced than what I have written but the powers that be simply couldn't say Malcolm x like figures forced powers that be to rethink
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comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 14 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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Guerilla warfare mate.
posted on 10/6/20
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 13 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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This is a discussion I've had many times with a variety of people and it's always amazed me how some people have put forward ideas that I'd never thought of.
What u say is not a new argument for me and has a lot of truth behind it.
What I mean is even in India there are movements against ghandi for example. These movements blame ghandi for becoming the poster boy, for want of a better word, for freedom as they feel he was pushed into that position because he was "safe" and it took emphasis of the struggle by the real folk who "forced" changes but are often labelled terrorists or such because them becoming heroes would be bad for the powers that be.
Even MLK is seen in this way by some I've spoken to. And it was confirmed a few years ago that the housing laws in America were changed due to the black panther movement and fear of what they were doing but it was felt that it was safer to say that it was MLK efforts as precedent would be set that violence gets u what u want.
Obviously more nuanced than what I have written but the powers that be simply couldn't say Malcolm x like figures forced powers that be to rethink
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Its the same in all the colonies. It was colonial powers that chose these people, installing them as leader under a constitution that gave that person the same powers in that country as the Queen of England and PM put together has in England, a truly imperial, all powerful leader.
In Africa this leader would belong to a specific tribe, installed as imperial ruler over all the other 30 or so tribes which had been forced into forming a country by the colonial powers. They were cobbled into countries depending on the colonial interests and availability of resources. Money was the only consideration when deciding where a border should pass and then they proceeded to play favourites with whoever cooperated the most. They created cauldrons, not nations.
And that's two of the ways that colonial powers lit the fuse in Africa and opened the door for many wars and clashes. It was a recipe for disaster that would lead to coup after coup, and nobody teaches kids in school that most of the world is the way it is because of colonisation. That's why some people in the West have no real sympathy or empathy for these countries, they simply have no idea and it's not taught in schools. You tell them their country did these things and they stare at you in shock as they've never heard it before.
No country in the world teaches the real hard truths about itself. Only Germany comes close to that by teaching about natzis but even then they only teach what they can't get away with not teaching. Failing to teach kids the truth is a world problem that is going to slow down human advancement significantly IMO.
posted on 10/6/20
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 14 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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What can you do about a system that doesn't allow you a vote?
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Guerilla warfare mate.
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Are you a pacifist or freedom fighter, mate?
Living in Ulster, "guerrilla warfare" and paramilitaries are grey areas in relation to religous-political problems.
posted on 10/6/20
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 14 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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What can you do about a system that doesn't allow you a vote?
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Guerilla warfare mate.
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Are you a pacifist or freedom fighter, mate?
Living in Ulster, "guerrilla warfare" and paramilitaries are grey areas in relation to religous-political problems.
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I was answering a question Blue, not making a statement on my beliefs.
But still I'm not sure I'm a pacifist, I just try to use common sense. If your country was invaded and colonised by another country would you remain and pacifist? That is the question here. The likelihood of guerilla warfare seems to be directly proportional to the chances of success via diplomatic means.
posted on 10/6/20
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 13 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 5 hours, 14 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
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This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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This is a discussion I've had many times with a variety of people and it's always amazed me how some people have put forward ideas that I'd never thought of.
What u say is not a new argument for me and has a lot of truth behind it.
What I mean is even in India there are movements against ghandi for example. These movements blame ghandi for becoming the poster boy, for want of a better word, for freedom as they feel he was pushed into that position because he was "safe" and it took emphasis of the struggle by the real folk who "forced" changes but are often labelled terrorists or such because them becoming heroes would be bad for the powers that be.
Even MLK is seen in this way by some I've spoken to. And it was confirmed a few years ago that the housing laws in America were changed due to the black panther movement and fear of what they were doing but it was felt that it was safer to say that it was MLK efforts as precedent would be set that violence gets u what u want.
Obviously more nuanced than what I have written but the powers that be simply couldn't say Malcolm x like figures forced powers that be to rethink
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its the same in all the colonies. It was colonial powers that chose these people, installing them as leader under a constitution that gave that person the same powers in that country as the Queen of England and PM put together has in England, a truly imperial, all powerful leader.
In Africa this leader would belong to a specific tribe, installed as imperial ruler over all the other 30 or so tribes which had been forced into forming a country by the colonial powers. They were cobbled into countries depending on the colonial interests and availability of resources. Money was the only consideration when deciding where a border should pass and then they proceeded to play favourites with whoever cooperated the most. They created cauldrons, not nations.
And that's two of the ways that colonial powers lit the fuse in Africa and opened the door for many wars and clashes. It was a recipe for disaster that would lead to coup after coup, and nobody teaches kids in school that most of the world is the way it is because of colonisation. That's why some people in the West have no real sympathy or empathy for these countries, they simply have no idea and it's not taught in schools. You tell them their country did these things and they stare at you in shock as they've never heard it before.
No country in the world teaches the real hard truths about itself. Only Germany comes close to that by teaching about natzis but even then they only teach what they can't get away with not teaching. Failing to teach kids the truth is a world problem that is going to slow down human advancement significantly IMO.
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Defo
posted on 10/6/20
Little Britain removed from Netflix and BBC because of the use of a blackface Lol really is becoming embarrassing this situation now, even black people must feel so embarrassed
posted on 10/6/20
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 23 minutes ago
comment by thebluebellsarablue (U9292)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 2 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Cal Neva (U11544)
posted 14 hours, 57 minutes ago
comment by Jurgen Klopp (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 12 minutes ago
That is bollx and just a pitiful excuse of doing your own thing when you sonny get you own way - look at Mandela, Gandhi, their protests when on for decades Befor the wheels of justice started moving
-----
This may not be a popular opinion but Mandela was in jail for 28 facking years and Gandhi's life is well known. This is not the way black people of today should be achieving their rights. What an out of touch thing to say.
Furthermore the portrayed image of these great leaders is not really that accurate, and I say that with respect to them. They want to make out like it was peace preaching people that gained independence for their homelands but it wasn't.
They like to make out like it was a peaceful plea that ended colonisation but really it was the threat of violence, warfare and embarrassing defeat. They repatriated millions of Africans and Asians after world war 2, all of whom had gained war knowledge and how to make guns and weapons from the environment etc.
They don't teach this in English schools but it was impossible for colonial powers to hold on to colonies after world war 2 and it was only a matter of time.
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What can you do about a system that doesn't allow you a vote?
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Guerilla warfare mate.
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Are you a pacifist or freedom fighter, mate?
Living in Ulster, "guerrilla warfare" and paramilitaries are grey areas in relation to religous-political problems.
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I was answering a question Blue, not making a statement on my beliefs.
But still I'm not sure I'm a pacifist, I just try to use common sense. If your country was invaded and colonised by another country would you remain and pacifist? That is the question here. The likelihood of guerilla warfare seems to be directly proportional to the chances of success via diplomatic means.
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No worries.
I am not sure I am pacifist either.....when Hitler posed a threat, not resisting natzis was a luxury pacifists enjoyed.
But, I get war is vile.
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