He might have been. But no one could make great strides with this squad without a big clear out and new additions. No manager would come here and think the squad we have available is nearly good enough to progress much with. Maybe fine if you want 8th-6th place finishes at best, but if you want any higher than that, a huge rebuild of the squad would be needed
A mid-table finish from a mid-table roster of playing talent.
Perfectly understandable.
Am I the only one who doesn't get what all the fan uproar is about?
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 minute ago
He might have been. But no one could make great strides with this squad without a big clear out and new additions. No manager would come here and think the squad we have available is nearly good enough to progress much with. Maybe fine if you want 8th-6th place finishes at best, but if you want any higher than that, a huge rebuild of the squad would be needed
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I get your point. However, Kroenke sees Arsenal as a profit-making club. Although I don't see him making right choices e.g. the club could lose our brightest kid Saka and Aubameyang together. They lost Ramsey for nothing. It's quite unbelievable what's happening in the club. Surely, Arteta can rebuild if they give him the support he needs with transfers. They need to have a plan for the next three years with clearing out and signing the right players.
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 30 seconds ago
A mid-table finish from a mid-table roster of playing talent.
Perfectly understandable.
Am I the only one who doesn't get what all the fan uproar is about?
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Brighton haven't got the better players, but they showed more guts than Arsenal players and they played as a team. The corner we conceded was nothing short of disgrace. Too much space was giving the crosser. That's the frustrating thing.
comment by Gunners_49 (U7239)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 30 seconds ago
A mid-table finish from a mid-table roster of playing talent.
Perfectly understandable.
Am I the only one who doesn't get what all the fan uproar is about?
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Brighton haven't got the better players, but they showed more guts than Arsenal players and they played as a team. The corner we conceded was nothing short of disgrace. Too much space was giving the crosser. That's the frustrating thing.
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I agree. But that's exactly what being a mid-table club entails. Going to teams much lower in the table and losing because the opposition clearly wanted it more.
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Gunners_49 (U7239)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 30 seconds ago
A mid-table finish from a mid-table roster of playing talent.
Perfectly understandable.
Am I the only one who doesn't get what all the fan uproar is about?
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Brighton haven't got the better players, but they showed more guts than Arsenal players and they played as a team. The corner we conceded was nothing short of disgrace. Too much space was giving the crosser. That's the frustrating thing.
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I agree. But that's exactly what being a mid-table club entails. Going to teams much lower in the table and losing because the opposition clearly wanted it more.
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I agree. However, we need to make our first team stronger, while holding onto our best players. Our owner is clueless. Our fans won't buy expensive tickets for a mid-table team for any longer.
Wenger ruined your club, spent all that time saving money and then boom covid 19 makes you broke anyway
Have fun in even more. Obscurity
Leicester, wolves, Everton alreadyiles ahead of you financially and talent
Hahahaha
comment by Mons (U21799)
posted 5 minutes ago
Wenger ruined your club, spent all that time saving money and then boom covid 19 makes you broke anyway
Have fun in even more. Obscurity
Leicester, wolves, Everton alreadyiles ahead of you financially and talent
Hahahaha
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The thing is Leicester could lose some players because big sides will come knocking for their quality players, but I like Wolves what they're doing as a club. Everton got an experienced manager and is willing to spend money, but they haven't signed proper quality players apart from Y. Mina and lost one with Gueye. So we need to wake up quickly and improve our first team.
Honestly not sure which manager would do better. No point in bringing topics like these up. Arteta has yet to prove himself, and if he is doing exactly what an experienced, and a respected coach like Emery had achieved, then who can do better? Arsenal are a mid table team, and if the transfer window isn't good, I think they'll stay there for some time. Other clubs will take this opportunity to move forward.
It look Liverpool 10+ years from mid table obscurity to become world's best team, and this was with big funding in transfer throughout.
We can't even beat Brighton without fans and the level of concentration in defending corners are appalling to watch.
-----------------'
Brighton had 10 corners and not one of them was dangerous.
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 13 hours, 29 minutes ago
Honestly not sure which manager would do better. No point in bringing topics like these up. Arteta has yet to prove himself, and if he is doing exactly what an experienced, and a respected coach like Emery had achieved, then who can do better? Arsenal are a mid table team, and if the transfer window isn't good, I think they'll stay there for some time. Other clubs will take this opportunity to move forward.
It look Liverpool 10+ years from mid table obscurity to become world's best team, and this was with big funding in transfer throughout.
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You can’t think of one manager better placed to bring more to the club than a coach who came to us having never managed a single game in his life?! Were you on
the recruitment team? Sounds like it.
Another more experienced manager may have had a quicker impact, but they’d still want to change lots of the players as what we have been isn’t nearly good enough. Our problems are not just solved by getting a top manager, plenty off the pitch work is needed as well to get us competitive
But Arteta does need to at least establish a recognisable playing style one that we can build from and take into next season. Even if that means playing youngsters who are maybe more willing to get on board. We’re highly unlikely to get anything decent from this season in terms of league position, so I think he just needs establish a strict style before the season ends. We can’t just be fumbling through games looking clueless going into next season. If we’re going to get beat I want it so we’re at very least not handing games to opposition and making mistakes, there’s not really an excuse for that. So if he can’t start to sort that kind of Basic stuff out before the season ends it will be disappointing
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 20 minutes ago
Another more experienced manager may have had a quicker impact, but they’d still want to change lots of the players as what we have been isn’t nearly good enough. Our problems are not just solved by getting a top manager, plenty off the pitch work is needed as well to get us competitive
But Arteta does need to at least establish a recognisable playing style one that we can build from and take into next season. Even if that means playing youngsters who are maybe more willing to get on board. We’re highly unlikely to get anything decent from this season in terms of league position, so I think he just needs establish a strict style before the season ends. We can’t just be fumbling through games looking clueless going into next season. If we’re going to get beat I want it so we’re at very least not handing games to opposition and making mistakes, there’s not really an excuse for that. So if he can’t start to sort that kind of Basic stuff out before the season ends it will be disappointing
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Arteta is showing his naivety. Its quite a different thing when you are no.2 at a club that buys the best players in the world. He really needs to go for it and the let the chips fall as they may. At moment he is too safe and not imposing his will on the team.
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 5 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 20 minutes ago
Another more experienced manager may have had a quicker impact, but they’d still want to change lots of the players as what we have been isn’t nearly good enough. Our problems are not just solved by getting a top manager, plenty off the pitch work is needed as well to get us competitive
But Arteta does need to at least establish a recognisable playing style one that we can build from and take into next season. Even if that means playing youngsters who are maybe more willing to get on board. We’re highly unlikely to get anything decent from this season in terms of league position, so I think he just needs establish a strict style before the season ends. We can’t just be fumbling through games looking clueless going into next season. If we’re going to get beat I want it so we’re at very least not handing games to opposition and making mistakes, there’s not really an excuse for that. So if he can’t start to sort that kind of Basic stuff out before the season ends it will be disappointing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Arteta is showing his naivety. Its quite a different thing when you are no.2 at a club that buys the best players in the world. He really needs to go for it and the let the chips fall as they may. At moment he is too safe and not imposing his will on the team.
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Yes most of our more established players aren’t exactly that great anyway, so if he has to drop them because they won’t fit his vision, won’t listen or whatever then so be it. Most are likely to not be here by end of the season, or maybe a season or so after, so he may as well start building a team that works together and in his style. May as well be ruthless with it for rest of season, the established players we’ve used have barely done anything so may as well shake things up a bit
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 5 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 20 minutes ago
Another more experienced manager may have had a quicker impact, but they’d still want to change lots of the players as what we have been isn’t nearly good enough. Our problems are not just solved by getting a top manager, plenty off the pitch work is needed as well to get us competitive
But Arteta does need to at least establish a recognisable playing style one that we can build from and take into next season. Even if that means playing youngsters who are maybe more willing to get on board. We’re highly unlikely to get anything decent from this season in terms of league position, so I think he just needs establish a strict style before the season ends. We can’t just be fumbling through games looking clueless going into next season. If we’re going to get beat I want it so we’re at very least not handing games to opposition and making mistakes, there’s not really an excuse for that. So if he can’t start to sort that kind of Basic stuff out before the season ends it will be disappointing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Arteta is showing his naivety. Its quite a different thing when you are no.2 at a club that buys the best players in the world. He really needs to go for it and the let the chips fall as they may. At moment he is too safe and not imposing his will on the team.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes most of our more established players aren’t exactly that great anyway, so if he has to drop them because they won’t fit his vision, won’t listen or whatever then so be it. Most are likely to not be here by end of the season, or maybe a season or so after, so he may as well start building a team that works together and in his style. May as well be ruthless with it for rest of season, the established players we’ve used have barely done anything so may as well shake things up a bit
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Its not only that. I compared Arteta tactics to that of Moyes rather than Pep or Wenger. The truth is this is still mostly Wenger's team. All the experienced players are Wenger players. So go for it. Attacking. Emery showed this lot cannot be do anything else or play with any maturity.
I noticed we were playing counter attack against Brighton. Our CBs were playing deep. There are no away games anymore so what are you scared off. There is no crowd. What was Arteta thinking?
comment by LAMCAM♠♣️ (U18537)
posted 12 hours, 58 minutes ago
We can't even beat Brighton without fans and the level of concentration in defending corners are appalling to watch.
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Brighton had 10 corners and not one of them was dangerous.
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Let's not forget when Brighton conceded it was a wake up call for them and Arsenal dropped defensively to maintain one-nil. Arsenal can't keep a clean sheet and the times we did, we got away with it too numerous occasions.
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posted on 20/6/20
He might have been. But no one could make great strides with this squad without a big clear out and new additions. No manager would come here and think the squad we have available is nearly good enough to progress much with. Maybe fine if you want 8th-6th place finishes at best, but if you want any higher than that, a huge rebuild of the squad would be needed
posted on 20/6/20
A mid-table finish from a mid-table roster of playing talent.
Perfectly understandable.
Am I the only one who doesn't get what all the fan uproar is about?
posted on 20/6/20
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 1 minute ago
He might have been. But no one could make great strides with this squad without a big clear out and new additions. No manager would come here and think the squad we have available is nearly good enough to progress much with. Maybe fine if you want 8th-6th place finishes at best, but if you want any higher than that, a huge rebuild of the squad would be needed
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I get your point. However, Kroenke sees Arsenal as a profit-making club. Although I don't see him making right choices e.g. the club could lose our brightest kid Saka and Aubameyang together. They lost Ramsey for nothing. It's quite unbelievable what's happening in the club. Surely, Arteta can rebuild if they give him the support he needs with transfers. They need to have a plan for the next three years with clearing out and signing the right players.
posted on 20/6/20
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 30 seconds ago
A mid-table finish from a mid-table roster of playing talent.
Perfectly understandable.
Am I the only one who doesn't get what all the fan uproar is about?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brighton haven't got the better players, but they showed more guts than Arsenal players and they played as a team. The corner we conceded was nothing short of disgrace. Too much space was giving the crosser. That's the frustrating thing.
posted on 20/6/20
comment by Gunners_49 (U7239)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 30 seconds ago
A mid-table finish from a mid-table roster of playing talent.
Perfectly understandable.
Am I the only one who doesn't get what all the fan uproar is about?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brighton haven't got the better players, but they showed more guts than Arsenal players and they played as a team. The corner we conceded was nothing short of disgrace. Too much space was giving the crosser. That's the frustrating thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree. But that's exactly what being a mid-table club entails. Going to teams much lower in the table and losing because the opposition clearly wanted it more.
posted on 20/6/20
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Gunners_49 (U7239)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Road. (U18361)
posted 30 seconds ago
A mid-table finish from a mid-table roster of playing talent.
Perfectly understandable.
Am I the only one who doesn't get what all the fan uproar is about?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Brighton haven't got the better players, but they showed more guts than Arsenal players and they played as a team. The corner we conceded was nothing short of disgrace. Too much space was giving the crosser. That's the frustrating thing.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree. But that's exactly what being a mid-table club entails. Going to teams much lower in the table and losing because the opposition clearly wanted it more.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree. However, we need to make our first team stronger, while holding onto our best players. Our owner is clueless. Our fans won't buy expensive tickets for a mid-table team for any longer.
posted on 20/6/20
Wenger ruined your club, spent all that time saving money and then boom covid 19 makes you broke anyway
Have fun in even more. Obscurity
Leicester, wolves, Everton alreadyiles ahead of you financially and talent
Hahahaha
posted on 20/6/20
comment by Mons (U21799)
posted 5 minutes ago
Wenger ruined your club, spent all that time saving money and then boom covid 19 makes you broke anyway
Have fun in even more. Obscurity
Leicester, wolves, Everton alreadyiles ahead of you financially and talent
Hahahaha
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The thing is Leicester could lose some players because big sides will come knocking for their quality players, but I like Wolves what they're doing as a club. Everton got an experienced manager and is willing to spend money, but they haven't signed proper quality players apart from Y. Mina and lost one with Gueye. So we need to wake up quickly and improve our first team.
posted on 20/6/20
Honestly not sure which manager would do better. No point in bringing topics like these up. Arteta has yet to prove himself, and if he is doing exactly what an experienced, and a respected coach like Emery had achieved, then who can do better? Arsenal are a mid table team, and if the transfer window isn't good, I think they'll stay there for some time. Other clubs will take this opportunity to move forward.
It look Liverpool 10+ years from mid table obscurity to become world's best team, and this was with big funding in transfer throughout.
posted on 21/6/20
We can't even beat Brighton without fans and the level of concentration in defending corners are appalling to watch.
-----------------'
Brighton had 10 corners and not one of them was dangerous.
posted on 21/6/20
comment by 50... (U1147)
posted 13 hours, 29 minutes ago
Honestly not sure which manager would do better. No point in bringing topics like these up. Arteta has yet to prove himself, and if he is doing exactly what an experienced, and a respected coach like Emery had achieved, then who can do better? Arsenal are a mid table team, and if the transfer window isn't good, I think they'll stay there for some time. Other clubs will take this opportunity to move forward.
It look Liverpool 10+ years from mid table obscurity to become world's best team, and this was with big funding in transfer throughout.
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You can’t think of one manager better placed to bring more to the club than a coach who came to us having never managed a single game in his life?! Were you on
the recruitment team? Sounds like it.
posted on 21/6/20
Another more experienced manager may have had a quicker impact, but they’d still want to change lots of the players as what we have been isn’t nearly good enough. Our problems are not just solved by getting a top manager, plenty off the pitch work is needed as well to get us competitive
But Arteta does need to at least establish a recognisable playing style one that we can build from and take into next season. Even if that means playing youngsters who are maybe more willing to get on board. We’re highly unlikely to get anything decent from this season in terms of league position, so I think he just needs establish a strict style before the season ends. We can’t just be fumbling through games looking clueless going into next season. If we’re going to get beat I want it so we’re at very least not handing games to opposition and making mistakes, there’s not really an excuse for that. So if he can’t start to sort that kind of Basic stuff out before the season ends it will be disappointing
posted on 21/6/20
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 20 minutes ago
Another more experienced manager may have had a quicker impact, but they’d still want to change lots of the players as what we have been isn’t nearly good enough. Our problems are not just solved by getting a top manager, plenty off the pitch work is needed as well to get us competitive
But Arteta does need to at least establish a recognisable playing style one that we can build from and take into next season. Even if that means playing youngsters who are maybe more willing to get on board. We’re highly unlikely to get anything decent from this season in terms of league position, so I think he just needs establish a strict style before the season ends. We can’t just be fumbling through games looking clueless going into next season. If we’re going to get beat I want it so we’re at very least not handing games to opposition and making mistakes, there’s not really an excuse for that. So if he can’t start to sort that kind of Basic stuff out before the season ends it will be disappointing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Arteta is showing his naivety. Its quite a different thing when you are no.2 at a club that buys the best players in the world. He really needs to go for it and the let the chips fall as they may. At moment he is too safe and not imposing his will on the team.
posted on 21/6/20
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 5 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 20 minutes ago
Another more experienced manager may have had a quicker impact, but they’d still want to change lots of the players as what we have been isn’t nearly good enough. Our problems are not just solved by getting a top manager, plenty off the pitch work is needed as well to get us competitive
But Arteta does need to at least establish a recognisable playing style one that we can build from and take into next season. Even if that means playing youngsters who are maybe more willing to get on board. We’re highly unlikely to get anything decent from this season in terms of league position, so I think he just needs establish a strict style before the season ends. We can’t just be fumbling through games looking clueless going into next season. If we’re going to get beat I want it so we’re at very least not handing games to opposition and making mistakes, there’s not really an excuse for that. So if he can’t start to sort that kind of Basic stuff out before the season ends it will be disappointing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Arteta is showing his naivety. Its quite a different thing when you are no.2 at a club that buys the best players in the world. He really needs to go for it and the let the chips fall as they may. At moment he is too safe and not imposing his will on the team.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes most of our more established players aren’t exactly that great anyway, so if he has to drop them because they won’t fit his vision, won’t listen or whatever then so be it. Most are likely to not be here by end of the season, or maybe a season or so after, so he may as well start building a team that works together and in his style. May as well be ruthless with it for rest of season, the established players we’ve used have barely done anything so may as well shake things up a bit
posted on 21/6/20
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 2 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 5 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by A Catalyst For Change (U7080)
posted 20 minutes ago
Another more experienced manager may have had a quicker impact, but they’d still want to change lots of the players as what we have been isn’t nearly good enough. Our problems are not just solved by getting a top manager, plenty off the pitch work is needed as well to get us competitive
But Arteta does need to at least establish a recognisable playing style one that we can build from and take into next season. Even if that means playing youngsters who are maybe more willing to get on board. We’re highly unlikely to get anything decent from this season in terms of league position, so I think he just needs establish a strict style before the season ends. We can’t just be fumbling through games looking clueless going into next season. If we’re going to get beat I want it so we’re at very least not handing games to opposition and making mistakes, there’s not really an excuse for that. So if he can’t start to sort that kind of Basic stuff out before the season ends it will be disappointing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Arteta is showing his naivety. Its quite a different thing when you are no.2 at a club that buys the best players in the world. He really needs to go for it and the let the chips fall as they may. At moment he is too safe and not imposing his will on the team.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes most of our more established players aren’t exactly that great anyway, so if he has to drop them because they won’t fit his vision, won’t listen or whatever then so be it. Most are likely to not be here by end of the season, or maybe a season or so after, so he may as well start building a team that works together and in his style. May as well be ruthless with it for rest of season, the established players we’ve used have barely done anything so may as well shake things up a bit
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Its not only that. I compared Arteta tactics to that of Moyes rather than Pep or Wenger. The truth is this is still mostly Wenger's team. All the experienced players are Wenger players. So go for it. Attacking. Emery showed this lot cannot be do anything else or play with any maturity.
I noticed we were playing counter attack against Brighton. Our CBs were playing deep. There are no away games anymore so what are you scared off. There is no crowd. What was Arteta thinking?
posted on 21/6/20
comment by LAMCAM♠♣️ (U18537)
posted 12 hours, 58 minutes ago
We can't even beat Brighton without fans and the level of concentration in defending corners are appalling to watch.
-----------------'
Brighton had 10 corners and not one of them was dangerous.
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Let's not forget when Brighton conceded it was a wake up call for them and Arsenal dropped defensively to maintain one-nil. Arsenal can't keep a clean sheet and the times we did, we got away with it too numerous occasions.
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