comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
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Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
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Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
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Yes I always trust the opinion of Millionaire Hollywood actors, they really have their fingers on the pulse of reality!
https://youtu.be/SWE8k5EUonE
Bless old Morgan, but he’d be better off talking to somebody who actually knows.
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
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No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
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We did here and still do, but it's not perfect.???
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes I always trust the opinion of Millionaire Hollywood actors, they really have their fingers on the pulse of reality!
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Clips of Martin Luther King on that youtube clip.
What type of BLM supporter are you to be dismissive of anything that great man has said
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes I always trust the opinion of Millionaire Hollywood actors, they really have their fingers on the pulse of reality!
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Clips of Martin Luther King on that youtube clip.
What type of BLM supporter are you to be dismissive of anything that great man has said
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I only watched the first 10 seconds and what he said was completely wrong.
Besides I’m more of a Malcom X & Angela Davis type of advocate , MLK advocated peaceful protests and non violent resistance.
And they still killed him.
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes I always trust the opinion of Millionaire Hollywood actors, they really have their fingers on the pulse of reality!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Clips of Martin Luther King on that youtube clip.
What type of BLM supporter are you to be dismissive of anything that great man has said
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I only watched the first 10 seconds and what he said was completely wrong.
Besides I’m more of a Malcom X & Angela Davis type of advocate , MLK advocated peaceful protests and non violent resistance.
And they still killed him.
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I get the impression you just want violent protest above anything else Sizzle and belittle those who want change by more passive means
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes I always trust the opinion of Millionaire Hollywood actors, they really have their fingers on the pulse of reality!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Clips of Martin Luther King on that youtube clip.
What type of BLM supporter are you to be dismissive of anything that great man has said
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I only watched the first 10 seconds and what he said was completely wrong.
Besides I’m more of a Malcom X & Angela Davis type of advocate , MLK advocated peaceful protests and non violent resistance.
And they still killed him.
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I get the impression you just want violent protest above anything else Sizzle and belittle those who want change by more passive means
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By Any Means Necessary?
People don’t take much notice of peaceful protests unfortunately, I should know, I’ve been on enough of them.
And the BLM movement only started getting noticed when things got a bit lively.
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tend to find that the best way of avoiding arrest/police confrontations is not breaking the law.
In terms of the white community policing itself - I that is a larger problem in the USA than the UK.
The biggest killers of white people in the US are white people.
The USA's biggest problem is intraracial murder rather than interracial murder.
The USA's love affair with violence and the gun is responsible for nearly 10 times the death rate of racist murder.
The USA (like all countries) does have an issue with racism - yet despite this they still manged to elect an individual (and what an individual) to the position of POTUS and the leader of the free world.
As for violent protests - they do get noticed a lot more . I reckon they achieve very little these days (due to immediate social media counter claims, etc) other tan reinforce entrenched views - on both sides.
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tend to find that the best way of avoiding arrest/police confrontations is not breaking the law.
In terms of the white community policing itself - I that is a larger problem in the USA than the UK.
The biggest killers of white people in the US are white people.
The USA's biggest problem is intraracial murder rather than interracial murder.
The USA's love affair with violence and the gun is responsible for nearly 10 times the death rate of racist murder.
The USA (like all countries) does have an issue with racism - yet despite this they still manged to elect an individual (and what an individual) to the position of POTUS and the leader of the free world.
As for violent protests - they do get noticed a lot more . I reckon they achieve very little these days (due to immediate social media counter claims, etc) other tan reinforce entrenched views - on both sides.
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Not breaking the law doesn’t mean you’re free from the attention of the police, especially if you’re a young black kid, and whilst the racist S&S policy still exists that will never change.
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comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tend to find that the best way of avoiding arrest/police confrontations is not breaking the law.
In terms of the white community policing itself - I that is a larger problem in the USA than the UK.
The biggest killers of white people in the US are white people.
The USA's biggest problem is intraracial murder rather than interracial murder.
The USA's love affair with violence and the gun is responsible for nearly 10 times the death rate of racist murder.
The USA (like all countries) does have an issue with racism - yet despite this they still manged to elect an individual (and what an individual) to the position of POTUS and the leader of the free world.
As for violent protests - they do get noticed a lot more . I reckon they achieve very little these days (due to immediate social media counter claims, etc) other tan reinforce entrenched views - on both sides.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not breaking the law doesn’t mean you’re free from the attention of the police, especially if you’re a young black kid, and whilst the racist S&S policy still exists that will never change.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't the rise in knife crime in London coincide with the Lord Mayor virtually putting an end to police powers for stop and search.
Also when he increased police powers in S&S knife crime decreased.
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tend to find that the best way of avoiding arrest/police confrontations is not breaking the law.
In terms of the white community policing itself - I that is a larger problem in the USA than the UK.
The biggest killers of white people in the US are white people.
The USA's biggest problem is intraracial murder rather than interracial murder.
The USA's love affair with violence and the gun is responsible for nearly 10 times the death rate of racist murder.
The USA (like all countries) does have an issue with racism - yet despite this they still manged to elect an individual (and what an individual) to the position of POTUS and the leader of the free world.
As for violent protests - they do get noticed a lot more . I reckon they achieve very little these days (due to immediate social media counter claims, etc) other tan reinforce entrenched views - on both sides.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not breaking the law doesn’t mean you’re free from the attention of the police, especially if you’re a young black kid, and whilst the racist S&S policy still exists that will never change.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't the rise in knife crime in London coincide with the Lord Mayor virtually putting an end to police powers for stop and search.
Also when he increased police powers in S&S knife crime decreased.
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They never lost the powers of S&S, they were simply told to stop abusing it (by a Tory Home Secretary)
I suppose the less chance of being stopped and searched gives some more confidence of not being caught carrying a weapon.
Hence the increase in knife crime etc
I'm sure every criminal in London enjoyed the relaxing of S&S,those that are still alive that is.
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Not breaking the law doesn’t mean you’re free from the attention of the police, especially if you’re a young black kid, and whilst the racist S&S policy still exists that will never change.
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Yes and that is the chicken vs egg argument.
It would be far easier to shutdown a racist/biased policy if it was shown to be 100% ineffectual i.e. 100% of searches failing to find any weapon whatsoever.
As unfair as it seems/may be - I would rather the Police looked for weapons (at the risk of upsetting innocent people) than to stop looking for them at all.
If I got targeted for a search, yeah i'd be pi55ed off. I'd just need to live with the annoyance for the greater good and I believe that every knife which comes out of an individual's hand is a potential life saved.
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 12 minutes ago
I suppose the less chance of being stopped and searched gives some more confidence of not being caught carrying a weapon.
Hence the increase in knife crime etc
I'm sure every criminal in London enjoyed the relaxing of S&S,those that are still alive that is.
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Oh dear, what a simplistic view.
First of all, stop & search does not and has never worked.
Secondly these kids ain’t stupid, gang members generally don’t carry weapons, they stash them and get them when needed, they also share weapons,
If I know this then surely the old Bill must!
I’m fine with S&S as long as the police have intelligence or actual reasonable suspicion, but they just use it as a way to harass people, that’s the issue.
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 12 minutes ago
I suppose the less chance of being stopped and searched gives some more confidence of not being caught carrying a weapon.
Hence the increase in knife crime etc
I'm sure every criminal in London enjoyed the relaxing of S&S,those that are still alive that is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear, what a simplistic view.
First of all, stop & search does not and has never worked.
Secondly these kids ain’t stupid, gang members generally don’t carry weapons, they stash them and get them when needed, they also share weapons,
If I know this then surely the old Bill must!
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And yet when S&S was drastically reduced in London,knife crime drastically increased.
Must be pure coincidence
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
I’m fine with S&S as long as the police have intelligence or actual reasonable suspicion, but they just use it as a way to harass people, that’s the issue.
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I had a quick look at some figures there - it doesn't seem to be particularly effective either.
London had the highest rate of stop and searches but also has the highest rate of knife crime (both stats are per 1000 persons).
Again chicken vs egg - if your are Police then you are going to use this tool in the area where knife crime is more prevalent.
What they need to do is determine whether it has been effective as a tool to deter knife crime.
It doesn't look like it is - it certainly isn't efficient.
A website suggested the use of 'high impact zones' like those used in NY.
Something needs to change
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay, sheriff. couldn't resist.
BLM
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comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
posted on 29/6/20
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 29/6/20
Yes I always trust the opinion of Millionaire Hollywood actors, they really have their fingers on the pulse of reality!
posted on 29/6/20
https://youtu.be/SWE8k5EUonE
Bless old Morgan, but he’d be better off talking to somebody who actually knows.
posted on 29/6/20
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
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Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
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Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
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I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
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Why is the white community never told to police itself?
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No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
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Why is the white community never told to police itself?
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We did here and still do, but it's not perfect.???
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes I always trust the opinion of Millionaire Hollywood actors, they really have their fingers on the pulse of reality!
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Clips of Martin Luther King on that youtube clip.
What type of BLM supporter are you to be dismissive of anything that great man has said
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes I always trust the opinion of Millionaire Hollywood actors, they really have their fingers on the pulse of reality!
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Clips of Martin Luther King on that youtube clip.
What type of BLM supporter are you to be dismissive of anything that great man has said
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I only watched the first 10 seconds and what he said was completely wrong.
Besides I’m more of a Malcom X & Angela Davis type of advocate , MLK advocated peaceful protests and non violent resistance.
And they still killed him.
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes I always trust the opinion of Millionaire Hollywood actors, they really have their fingers on the pulse of reality!
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Clips of Martin Luther King on that youtube clip.
What type of BLM supporter are you to be dismissive of anything that great man has said
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I only watched the first 10 seconds and what he said was completely wrong.
Besides I’m more of a Malcom X & Angela Davis type of advocate , MLK advocated peaceful protests and non violent resistance.
And they still killed him.
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I get the impression you just want violent protest above anything else Sizzle and belittle those who want change by more passive means
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 9 minutes ago
Yes I always trust the opinion of Millionaire Hollywood actors, they really have their fingers on the pulse of reality!
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Clips of Martin Luther King on that youtube clip.
What type of BLM supporter are you to be dismissive of anything that great man has said
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I only watched the first 10 seconds and what he said was completely wrong.
Besides I’m more of a Malcom X & Angela Davis type of advocate , MLK advocated peaceful protests and non violent resistance.
And they still killed him.
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I get the impression you just want violent protest above anything else Sizzle and belittle those who want change by more passive means
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By Any Means Necessary?
People don’t take much notice of peaceful protests unfortunately, I should know, I’ve been on enough of them.
posted on 29/6/20
And the BLM movement only started getting noticed when things got a bit lively.
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tend to find that the best way of avoiding arrest/police confrontations is not breaking the law.
In terms of the white community policing itself - I that is a larger problem in the USA than the UK.
The biggest killers of white people in the US are white people.
The USA's biggest problem is intraracial murder rather than interracial murder.
The USA's love affair with violence and the gun is responsible for nearly 10 times the death rate of racist murder.
The USA (like all countries) does have an issue with racism - yet despite this they still manged to elect an individual (and what an individual) to the position of POTUS and the leader of the free world.
As for violent protests - they do get noticed a lot more . I reckon they achieve very little these days (due to immediate social media counter claims, etc) other tan reinforce entrenched views - on both sides.
posted on 29/6/20
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tend to find that the best way of avoiding arrest/police confrontations is not breaking the law.
In terms of the white community policing itself - I that is a larger problem in the USA than the UK.
The biggest killers of white people in the US are white people.
The USA's biggest problem is intraracial murder rather than interracial murder.
The USA's love affair with violence and the gun is responsible for nearly 10 times the death rate of racist murder.
The USA (like all countries) does have an issue with racism - yet despite this they still manged to elect an individual (and what an individual) to the position of POTUS and the leader of the free world.
As for violent protests - they do get noticed a lot more . I reckon they achieve very little these days (due to immediate social media counter claims, etc) other tan reinforce entrenched views - on both sides.
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Not breaking the law doesn’t mean you’re free from the attention of the police, especially if you’re a young black kid, and whilst the racist S&S policy still exists that will never change.
posted on 29/6/20
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posted on 29/6/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tend to find that the best way of avoiding arrest/police confrontations is not breaking the law.
In terms of the white community policing itself - I that is a larger problem in the USA than the UK.
The biggest killers of white people in the US are white people.
The USA's biggest problem is intraracial murder rather than interracial murder.
The USA's love affair with violence and the gun is responsible for nearly 10 times the death rate of racist murder.
The USA (like all countries) does have an issue with racism - yet despite this they still manged to elect an individual (and what an individual) to the position of POTUS and the leader of the free world.
As for violent protests - they do get noticed a lot more . I reckon they achieve very little these days (due to immediate social media counter claims, etc) other tan reinforce entrenched views - on both sides.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not breaking the law doesn’t mean you’re free from the attention of the police, especially if you’re a young black kid, and whilst the racist S&S policy still exists that will never change.
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Didn't the rise in knife crime in London coincide with the Lord Mayor virtually putting an end to police powers for stop and search.
Also when he increased police powers in S&S knife crime decreased.
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I tend to find that the best way of avoiding arrest/police confrontations is not breaking the law.
In terms of the white community policing itself - I that is a larger problem in the USA than the UK.
The biggest killers of white people in the US are white people.
The USA's biggest problem is intraracial murder rather than interracial murder.
The USA's love affair with violence and the gun is responsible for nearly 10 times the death rate of racist murder.
The USA (like all countries) does have an issue with racism - yet despite this they still manged to elect an individual (and what an individual) to the position of POTUS and the leader of the free world.
As for violent protests - they do get noticed a lot more . I reckon they achieve very little these days (due to immediate social media counter claims, etc) other tan reinforce entrenched views - on both sides.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not breaking the law doesn’t mean you’re free from the attention of the police, especially if you’re a young black kid, and whilst the racist S&S policy still exists that will never change.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Didn't the rise in knife crime in London coincide with the Lord Mayor virtually putting an end to police powers for stop and search.
Also when he increased police powers in S&S knife crime decreased.
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They never lost the powers of S&S, they were simply told to stop abusing it (by a Tory Home Secretary)
posted on 29/6/20
I suppose the less chance of being stopped and searched gives some more confidence of not being caught carrying a weapon.
Hence the increase in knife crime etc
I'm sure every criminal in London enjoyed the relaxing of S&S,those that are still alive that is.
posted on 29/6/20
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Not breaking the law doesn’t mean you’re free from the attention of the police, especially if you’re a young black kid, and whilst the racist S&S policy still exists that will never change.
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Yes and that is the chicken vs egg argument.
It would be far easier to shutdown a racist/biased policy if it was shown to be 100% ineffectual i.e. 100% of searches failing to find any weapon whatsoever.
As unfair as it seems/may be - I would rather the Police looked for weapons (at the risk of upsetting innocent people) than to stop looking for them at all.
If I got targeted for a search, yeah i'd be pi55ed off. I'd just need to live with the annoyance for the greater good and I believe that every knife which comes out of an individual's hand is a potential life saved.
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 12 minutes ago
I suppose the less chance of being stopped and searched gives some more confidence of not being caught carrying a weapon.
Hence the increase in knife crime etc
I'm sure every criminal in London enjoyed the relaxing of S&S,those that are still alive that is.
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Oh dear, what a simplistic view.
First of all, stop & search does not and has never worked.
Secondly these kids ain’t stupid, gang members generally don’t carry weapons, they stash them and get them when needed, they also share weapons,
If I know this then surely the old Bill must!
posted on 29/6/20
I’m fine with S&S as long as the police have intelligence or actual reasonable suspicion, but they just use it as a way to harass people, that’s the issue.
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 12 minutes ago
I suppose the less chance of being stopped and searched gives some more confidence of not being caught carrying a weapon.
Hence the increase in knife crime etc
I'm sure every criminal in London enjoyed the relaxing of S&S,those that are still alive that is.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh dear, what a simplistic view.
First of all, stop & search does not and has never worked.
Secondly these kids ain’t stupid, gang members generally don’t carry weapons, they stash them and get them when needed, they also share weapons,
If I know this then surely the old Bill must!
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And yet when S&S was drastically reduced in London,knife crime drastically increased.
Must be pure coincidence
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
I’m fine with S&S as long as the police have intelligence or actual reasonable suspicion, but they just use it as a way to harass people, that’s the issue.
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I had a quick look at some figures there - it doesn't seem to be particularly effective either.
London had the highest rate of stop and searches but also has the highest rate of knife crime (both stats are per 1000 persons).
Again chicken vs egg - if your are Police then you are going to use this tool in the area where knife crime is more prevalent.
What they need to do is determine whether it has been effective as a tool to deter knife crime.
It doesn't look like it is - it certainly isn't efficient.
A website suggested the use of 'high impact zones' like those used in NY.
Something needs to change
posted on 29/6/20
comment by Magnum. No more Mr Nice Guy. (U22391)
posted 2 hours, 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Colemanballs (U22246)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by deBear (U8633)
posted 47 seconds ago
You were the one that brought up deaths in police custody not me and it's there in black and white(hope I am ok to use this phrase)that White people are the one's that are disproportionately killed in police custody.
-----------------------------------
Careful of the use of language - it's death in custody, of which the overwhelming majority are overdoses.
Human Behaviour
Not 'killed' in custody.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sizzle is the one who brought these figures up,not me.
I am just doing the math ad more white people die in the institutionalised police force cells than BAME as a percentage.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I wasn't having a go - just trying to make a point that in terms of suspicious death in custody there something like 3-4 in the last year, of which one was black.
There is a fundamental mistrust between the Police Force and the Black community (particularly England).
Racism isn't the overriding issue in that relationship, perception of racism is the key factor.
The only way those difference will be reconciled is by working together.
It may take one side to make the first move though - the Police have some more to do in terms weeding out the last bastions of racism (which will be becoming more and more isolated as time moves on).
The younger black community need to work hard to address the gangland culture knives, guns which is so pervasive and destructive.
It may be chicken/egg situation - both sides have work to do though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Why is the white community never told to police itself?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No community should police itself. We've has enough vigilantes already.
People should stop breaking the law.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay, sheriff. couldn't resist.
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