Didn’t say you said it was inevitable, I said you seem quite sure.
I have certainly not said the opposite - I’m just bemused by people who seem confident it will be the case when there’s not really any evidence to support that view at this stage.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t say you said it was inevitable, I said you seem quite sure.
I have certainly not said the opposite - I’m just bemused by people who seem confident it will be the case when there’s not really any evidence to support that view at this stage.
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I hate to be this person but i get the vibe some people (not Ripley) almost want it to happen so they can lord it with "i told you so's".
Of course there isn’t really any evidence. It is all conjecture.
On both sides.
My reasoning is - if what caused the first wave is still here..
.. then what can we do to prevent it causing a second wave?
Go back to the life we had when the first wave hit, then that’s just inviting the second wave to happen.
Like I said, the virus is still here. Just as it was back in February/March
If we can learn from the mistakes (or rather naive approach) we had back then, then that would help.
If we just return to normal - as we were back then - then history will repeat itself
Two things ripleys.
1. No one is advocating going back to how things were.
2. I’m firmly in the middle, I’m not saying a second wave is unlikely. I’m just interested by people who seem confident it will.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 4 minutes ago
Of course there isn’t really any evidence. It is all conjecture.
On both sides.
My reasoning is - if what caused the first wave is still here..
.. then what can we do to prevent it causing a second wave?
Go back to the life we had when the first wave hit, then that’s just inviting the second wave to happen.
Like I said, the virus is still here. Just as it was back in February/March
If we can learn from the mistakes (or rather naive approach) we had back then, then that would help.
If we just return to normal - as we were back then - then history will repeat itself
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There may well be an element of that although until we are relatively clear or have a vaccine I just don’t see people in the main behaving much differently to now regardless of what is opened up. People are just so much more aware and are looking after themselves. That will carry on I believe.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course there isn’t really any evidence. It is all conjecture.
On both sides.
My reasoning is - if what caused the first wave is still here..
.. then what can we do to prevent it causing a second wave?
Go back to the life we had when the first wave hit, then that’s just inviting the second wave to happen.
Like I said, the virus is still here. Just as it was back in February/March
If we can learn from the mistakes (or rather naive approach) we had back then, then that would help.
If we just return to normal - as we were back then - then history will repeat itself
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Even if the govt cleared a return to complete normal it wouldn't happen thd way it did in Feb.
Firstly there's the improved hygiene, even people who didn't know what a bar of soap looked like are now regularly sanitizing. There's also the fact there won't be as many people about, the coms have scared many people so badly it will take years (and in some cases therapy) until they even think about living again.
Those things alone would go a long way to mitigating the earlier shiitshow even if complete normal was cleared let alone with the restricted normal we face for the forseable.
I hope so Gingernuts.
And I do think that cautious approach will help reduce the infection rate. People are by and large more aware and more careful than they were back in Feb/March, so even with things opening back up, it hopefully won’t result in a “back at square one” scenario.
Winston, I did say in my first post that I am pessimistic. I do hope what I think will happen won’t actually happen.
I’m not certain it will. I’m not adamant or even sure it will. I just think it is a very real possibility. I am simply worried that it will. I hope I am wrong. Obviously.
My only “saving grace” is that my pessimism will led me to be more aware and careful, and that in itself isn’t a bad thing.
Yeah, it’s good points you make Bazg
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
I hope so Gingernuts.
And I do think that cautious approach will help reduce the infection rate. People are by and large more aware and more careful than they were back in Feb/March, so even with things opening back up, it hopefully won’t result in a “back at square one” scenario.
Winston, I did say in my first post that I am pessimistic. I do hope what I think will happen won’t actually happen.
I’m not certain it will. I’m not adamant or even sure it will. I just think it is a very real possibility. I am simply worried that it will. I hope I am wrong. Obviously.
My only “saving grace” is that my pessimism will led me to be more aware and careful, and that in itself isn’t a bad thing.
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No worries.
As a couple we have zero intention of going into a bar or just as likely a restaurant whereas that would be part of our average weekend at some point or another.
Neither of us will likely again do shopping other than for food and instead use on line. I don’t see that ever changing. We also choose when we shop to avoid any busy periods.
We exercise far more but were always relatively fit. That will continue. Gym will be cancelled. We can keep fit and active without a gym. Maybe even more so.
At work I have had about 6 face to face meetings (at distance) in the last 3 months. That may increase slightly but will in no way go back to what it was.
We like to think we always kept good hygiene but it’s now constant had washing and use of gels.
We avoid bumping or coming near other people. They in turn avoid us
So many changes to habit.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 9 minutes ago
Of course there isn’t really any evidence. It is all conjecture.
On both sides.
My reasoning is - if what caused the first wave is still here..
.. then what can we do to prevent it causing a second wave?
Go back to the life we had when the first wave hit, then that’s just inviting the second wave to happen.
Like I said, the virus is still here. Just as it was back in February/March
If we can learn from the mistakes (or rather naive approach) we had back then, then that would help.
If we just return to normal - as we were back then - then history will repeat itself
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A vaccine is not coming until next year, and how well it protects will be unknown.
A second wave will not happen IF .......
The Government does not do stupid things like opening pubs...
People continue to wear masks, practice distancing etc., and generally stay vigilant.
Unfortunately younger people are impatient and thoughtless. They will get it and infect others. They do not know that even a mild case of COVID-19 can result in damage to other organs besides the lungs - heart and brain problems.
They think they get off lightly, but the future will show that they did not!
Probably a second wave is inevitable.
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 9 minutes ago
Of course there isn’t really any evidence. It is all conjecture.
On both sides.
My reasoning is - if what caused the first wave is still here..
.. then what can we do to prevent it causing a second wave?
Go back to the life we had when the first wave hit, then that’s just inviting the second wave to happen.
Like I said, the virus is still here. Just as it was back in February/March
If we can learn from the mistakes (or rather naive approach) we had back then, then that would help.
If we just return to normal - as we were back then - then history will repeat itself
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A vaccine is not coming until next year, and how well it protects will be unknown.
A second wave will not happen IF .......
The Government does not do stupid things like opening pubs...
People continue to wear masks, practice distancing etc., and generally stay vigilant.
Unfortunately younger people are impatient and thoughtless. They will get it and infect others. They do not know that even a mild case of COVID-19 can result in damage to other organs besides the lungs - heart and brain problems.
They think they get off lightly, but the future will show that they did not!
Probably a second wave is inevitable.
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What’s the lottery numbers this weekend and I hope you’re not wasted on here and otherwise using your skills to help the rest of the world and it’s planning.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 8 hours, 22 minutes ago
I do think a second wave will happen. I’m hoping that if/when it does, more understanding of the virus will lead to better care and treatment, resulting in fewer deaths, irrespective of the amount of people that get infected.
I do worry that the timing of a potential second wave will coincide with the autumn/winter, meaning that it could potentially be worse than what we’ve seen so far.
I do hope that the virus mutates into a weaker strain, which is a very real possibility, especially as the virus itself is having to adapt as it runs its own course through so many different immune systems.
I do think we have come out of lockdown too early. Or rather, are announcing less restrictive lockdown measures too soon (I.e. not waiting to see what the effect that one lockdown easing will have before announcing another lockdown easing.
I do worry that a lot of younger people are being reckless and that they could end up infecting the more vulnerable of our society through their own ignorance, or rather indifference, to the pandemic.
But equally I do understand the necessity for the economy to get back up and running. For people to feel as though they can get back to some kind of normal. I worry for the mental health of many, who are struggling and alone and fearful of losing their jobs and/or homes.
We all have our opinions on this. This thread is full of disagreements and frustration.
But we are all in this together. And despite the disagreements, I think every single person here shares the same sentiment. Some are being overly optimistic while others are being pessimistic. I myself fall on the pessimistic side. Nonetheless, that sentiment that we all share is pretty simple.
We all all fed up of it. We all want it over. We just can’t quite see eye to eye on the best way in which we will hopefully achieve that goal.
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comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 hours, 31 minutes ago
About the virus weakening - I might be wrong on this, but don’t they tend to do that so as to spread more easily? Covid-19 seems to spread very easily as it is so might not need to adapt.
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That’s actually the biggest problem, it’s highly contagious, that’s what’s freaked the experts and authorities out the most and why such drastic action was taken.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 19 hours, 27 minutes ago
I’m with Winston. There is no evidence whatsoever of a 2nd wave anywhere, so what experts on here seem to think the U.K. will get a 2nd wave ? No country has had a 2nd wave. Some countries have had the odd town/ city go into partial lockdown, but there has been no 2nd wave. I get the impression some people actually enjoy this and are secretly hoping for a 2nd wave, so they can be lazy ba*** for 8 months and not work. It’s scaremongering Bolloks and nobody has any evidence as to predicting we are in for a horrendous winter. The virus is on a downward trend and has been for months. The deaths are getting lower and the hospital cases far less. If people want to spend the rest of the year indoors in a dark room then that’s you’re choice. Stop lambasting people who want to get on with life.
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Cases in the world are going up not down. America is having a massive second wave. Dont be daft
comment by Buggerof (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 19 hours, 27 minutes ago
I’m with Winston. There is no evidence whatsoever of a 2nd wave anywhere, so what experts on here seem to think the U.K. will get a 2nd wave ? No country has had a 2nd wave. Some countries have had the odd town/ city go into partial lockdown, but there has been no 2nd wave. I get the impression some people actually enjoy this and are secretly hoping for a 2nd wave, so they can be lazy ba*** for 8 months and not work. It’s scaremongering Bolloks and nobody has any evidence as to predicting we are in for a horrendous winter. The virus is on a downward trend and has been for months. The deaths are getting lower and the hospital cases far less. If people want to spend the rest of the year indoors in a dark room then that’s you’re choice. Stop lambasting people who want to get on with life.
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Cases in the world are going up not down. America is having a massive second wave. Dont be daft
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Dozy Donald thinks he’s the only one who wants to “get on with his life”
Curious how anything he and his ilk don’t like the sound of is “scaremongering or fake news”
Facts don’t care about your feelings Donald.
Populist idiot.
comment by Buggerof (U1250)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 19 hours, 27 minutes ago
I’m with Winston. There is no evidence whatsoever of a 2nd wave anywhere, so what experts on here seem to think the U.K. will get a 2nd wave ? No country has had a 2nd wave. Some countries have had the odd town/ city go into partial lockdown, but there has been no 2nd wave. I get the impression some people actually enjoy this and are secretly hoping for a 2nd wave, so they can be lazy ba*** for 8 months and not work. It’s scaremongering Bolloks and nobody has any evidence as to predicting we are in for a horrendous winter. The virus is on a downward trend and has been for months. The deaths are getting lower and the hospital cases far less. If people want to spend the rest of the year indoors in a dark room then that’s you’re choice. Stop lambasting people who want to get on with life.
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Cases in the world are going up not down. America is having a massive second wave. Dont be daft
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Eh?
The US is still in the first wave, surely? I certainly don’t know when else they had a first wave that’s for sure.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 13 minutes ago
I’m looking at Australia - handled the pandemic perfectly and hardly any cases but there’s been a huge spike in Victoria this week which has shown just how quickly this can come back to be a big problem in a short space of time. Went from zero new cases at the beginning of the month to 139 new cases in two days this week once lockdown was lifted in ways that the UK haven’t started yet.
My negativity comes from seeing so many selfish and ignorant people walking the streets and in the news who don’t seem to care. Once pubs open this Saturday (a stupid day to open up the world again) don’t be surprised to see cases rise all over the country.
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Is 139 cases huge?
Countries seem to be handling small outbreaks well, with no major spread and very few deaths - Germany, South Korea, Australia.
None of that leads to a conclusion we'll see a wave worse than the one we're in, does it?
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One very important thing to remember when discussing this - when comparing the UK to places such as Korea, Germany and Australia is that they have handled the situation infinitely better as a whole than we have. To say that they haven't seen a second spike yet is more a testament to their handling of the events, than any kind of proof that a second wave is not likely. Most countries who didn't handle it as well are still in the midst of the first wave. No one knows for sure whether there will be a second wave, but it seems likely without an imminent vaccine.
It's probably more realistic to compare us with somewhere like Italy, but frankly we've had the most cases in Western Europe, and if anyone is going to get fecked by their own incompetence & arrogance as a nation, it is us.
I don't live far away from Wandsworth & Clapham, even during the height of the pandemic, as soon as we got a bit of nice weather, that whole social distancing thing went right out of the window. Thousands of people gathering around because they think that it basically doesn't apply to them.
You are right, the vast majority of people in the country are following the rules, but it only takes a couple of idiots to start the whole thing back up again (after all, this whole thing started with one Chinese bloke).
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Yep and Italy is slowing easing back to normal. Tourists are starting to slowly go into the country. Italy was one of the biggest number of cases and is now safe to resume a sense of normality.
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Back to normal?? With strict measures in place. Nothing is normal ffs.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Buggerof (U1250)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 19 hours, 27 minutes ago
I’m with Winston. There is no evidence whatsoever of a 2nd wave anywhere, so what experts on here seem to think the U.K. will get a 2nd wave ? No country has had a 2nd wave. Some countries have had the odd town/ city go into partial lockdown, but there has been no 2nd wave. I get the impression some people actually enjoy this and are secretly hoping for a 2nd wave, so they can be lazy ba*** for 8 months and not work. It’s scaremongering Bolloks and nobody has any evidence as to predicting we are in for a horrendous winter. The virus is on a downward trend and has been for months. The deaths are getting lower and the hospital cases far less. If people want to spend the rest of the year indoors in a dark room then that’s you’re choice. Stop lambasting people who want to get on with life.
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Cases in the world are going up not down. America is having a massive second wave. Dont be daft
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Eh?
The US is still in the first wave, surely? I certainly don’t know when else they had a first wave that’s for sure.
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Their cases were going down to 20k a day form 30k. Now they are at 40k per day.
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Curious how anything he and his ilk don’t like the sound of is “scaremongering or fake news”
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That's highly ironic coming from someone who hasn't answered one question I've put to him!
comment by Bazg (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Curious how anything he and his ilk don’t like the sound of is “scaremongering or fake news”
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That's highly ironic coming from someone who hasn't answered one question I've put to him!
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What do you want to know? How to open up the economy? How the f*ck am I supposed to know?
All know is what I will be doing.
Staying at home.
Protecting the NHS
Saving lives.
If you want to risk yours and your loved ones lives by mingling with The Herd, that’s your business.
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Bazg (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Curious how anything he and his ilk don’t like the sound of is “scaremongering or fake news”
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That's highly ironic coming from someone who hasn't answered one question I've put to him!
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What do you want to know? How to open up the economy? How the f*ck am I supposed to know?
All know is what I will be doing.
Staying at home.
Protecting the NHS
Saving lives.
If you want to risk yours and your loved ones lives by mingling with The Herd, that’s your business.
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1. If it was upto you would we still be in lockdown (to the initial measures or more)? If so how long for and if not what stage would you have us at?
2. Are you staying at home till a vaccine/eradication? If not what is (roughly) your plan to reintegrate yourself into society?
Succeed today where you failed yesterday and answer those two accurately and properly, i dare you!
Also if you're so insistent indefinite lockdown is the way to go then you absolutely should have an answer on how to save the economy and as an consequence people's lifes.
comment by Bazg (U22412)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Bazg (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Curious how anything he and his ilk don’t like the sound of is “scaremongering or fake news”
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That's highly ironic coming from someone who hasn't answered one question I've put to him!
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What do you want to know? How to open up the economy? How the f*ck am I supposed to know?
All know is what I will be doing.
Staying at home.
Protecting the NHS
Saving lives.
If you want to risk yours and your loved ones lives by mingling with The Herd, that’s your business.
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1. If it was upto you would we still be in lockdown (to the initial measures or more)? If so how long for and if not what stage would you have us at?
2. Are you staying at home till a vaccine/eradication? If not what is (roughly) your plan to reintegrate yourself into society?
Succeed today where you failed yesterday and answer those two accurately and properly, i dare you!
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1. We went into lockdown too late and are coming out too early. Our death toll and infection rate proves that beyond doubt.
2. I will be working from home until at least October and probably until the end of the year. None of the places I want to go to are even open yet so what am I really going outside for apart from a bit of fresh air?
comment by Bazg (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also if you're so insistent indefinite lockdown is the way to go then you absolutely should have an answer on how to save the economy and as an consequence people's lifes.
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The economy is f*cked. Add in Brexshit and it’s doubly f*cked
It’s not me to come up with solutions for problems I didn’t cause, let the Gammon sort it out.
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posted on 30/6/20
Didn’t say you said it was inevitable, I said you seem quite sure.
I have certainly not said the opposite - I’m just bemused by people who seem confident it will be the case when there’s not really any evidence to support that view at this stage.
posted on 30/6/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t say you said it was inevitable, I said you seem quite sure.
I have certainly not said the opposite - I’m just bemused by people who seem confident it will be the case when there’s not really any evidence to support that view at this stage.
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I hate to be this person but i get the vibe some people (not Ripley) almost want it to happen so they can lord it with "i told you so's".
posted on 30/6/20
Of course there isn’t really any evidence. It is all conjecture.
On both sides.
My reasoning is - if what caused the first wave is still here..
.. then what can we do to prevent it causing a second wave?
Go back to the life we had when the first wave hit, then that’s just inviting the second wave to happen.
Like I said, the virus is still here. Just as it was back in February/March
If we can learn from the mistakes (or rather naive approach) we had back then, then that would help.
If we just return to normal - as we were back then - then history will repeat itself
posted on 30/6/20
Two things ripleys.
1. No one is advocating going back to how things were.
2. I’m firmly in the middle, I’m not saying a second wave is unlikely. I’m just interested by people who seem confident it will.
posted on 30/6/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 4 minutes ago
Of course there isn’t really any evidence. It is all conjecture.
On both sides.
My reasoning is - if what caused the first wave is still here..
.. then what can we do to prevent it causing a second wave?
Go back to the life we had when the first wave hit, then that’s just inviting the second wave to happen.
Like I said, the virus is still here. Just as it was back in February/March
If we can learn from the mistakes (or rather naive approach) we had back then, then that would help.
If we just return to normal - as we were back then - then history will repeat itself
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There may well be an element of that although until we are relatively clear or have a vaccine I just don’t see people in the main behaving much differently to now regardless of what is opened up. People are just so much more aware and are looking after themselves. That will carry on I believe.
posted on 30/6/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 2 minutes ago
Of course there isn’t really any evidence. It is all conjecture.
On both sides.
My reasoning is - if what caused the first wave is still here..
.. then what can we do to prevent it causing a second wave?
Go back to the life we had when the first wave hit, then that’s just inviting the second wave to happen.
Like I said, the virus is still here. Just as it was back in February/March
If we can learn from the mistakes (or rather naive approach) we had back then, then that would help.
If we just return to normal - as we were back then - then history will repeat itself
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Even if the govt cleared a return to complete normal it wouldn't happen thd way it did in Feb.
Firstly there's the improved hygiene, even people who didn't know what a bar of soap looked like are now regularly sanitizing. There's also the fact there won't be as many people about, the coms have scared many people so badly it will take years (and in some cases therapy) until they even think about living again.
Those things alone would go a long way to mitigating the earlier shiitshow even if complete normal was cleared let alone with the restricted normal we face for the forseable.
posted on 30/6/20
I hope so Gingernuts.
And I do think that cautious approach will help reduce the infection rate. People are by and large more aware and more careful than they were back in Feb/March, so even with things opening back up, it hopefully won’t result in a “back at square one” scenario.
Winston, I did say in my first post that I am pessimistic. I do hope what I think will happen won’t actually happen.
I’m not certain it will. I’m not adamant or even sure it will. I just think it is a very real possibility. I am simply worried that it will. I hope I am wrong. Obviously.
My only “saving grace” is that my pessimism will led me to be more aware and careful, and that in itself isn’t a bad thing.
posted on 30/6/20
Yeah, it’s good points you make Bazg
posted on 30/6/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
I hope so Gingernuts.
And I do think that cautious approach will help reduce the infection rate. People are by and large more aware and more careful than they were back in Feb/March, so even with things opening back up, it hopefully won’t result in a “back at square one” scenario.
Winston, I did say in my first post that I am pessimistic. I do hope what I think will happen won’t actually happen.
I’m not certain it will. I’m not adamant or even sure it will. I just think it is a very real possibility. I am simply worried that it will. I hope I am wrong. Obviously.
My only “saving grace” is that my pessimism will led me to be more aware and careful, and that in itself isn’t a bad thing.
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No worries.
As a couple we have zero intention of going into a bar or just as likely a restaurant whereas that would be part of our average weekend at some point or another.
Neither of us will likely again do shopping other than for food and instead use on line. I don’t see that ever changing. We also choose when we shop to avoid any busy periods.
We exercise far more but were always relatively fit. That will continue. Gym will be cancelled. We can keep fit and active without a gym. Maybe even more so.
At work I have had about 6 face to face meetings (at distance) in the last 3 months. That may increase slightly but will in no way go back to what it was.
We like to think we always kept good hygiene but it’s now constant had washing and use of gels.
We avoid bumping or coming near other people. They in turn avoid us
So many changes to habit.
posted on 30/6/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 9 minutes ago
Of course there isn’t really any evidence. It is all conjecture.
On both sides.
My reasoning is - if what caused the first wave is still here..
.. then what can we do to prevent it causing a second wave?
Go back to the life we had when the first wave hit, then that’s just inviting the second wave to happen.
Like I said, the virus is still here. Just as it was back in February/March
If we can learn from the mistakes (or rather naive approach) we had back then, then that would help.
If we just return to normal - as we were back then - then history will repeat itself
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A vaccine is not coming until next year, and how well it protects will be unknown.
A second wave will not happen IF .......
The Government does not do stupid things like opening pubs...
People continue to wear masks, practice distancing etc., and generally stay vigilant.
Unfortunately younger people are impatient and thoughtless. They will get it and infect others. They do not know that even a mild case of COVID-19 can result in damage to other organs besides the lungs - heart and brain problems.
They think they get off lightly, but the future will show that they did not!
Probably a second wave is inevitable.
posted on 30/6/20
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 9 minutes ago
Of course there isn’t really any evidence. It is all conjecture.
On both sides.
My reasoning is - if what caused the first wave is still here..
.. then what can we do to prevent it causing a second wave?
Go back to the life we had when the first wave hit, then that’s just inviting the second wave to happen.
Like I said, the virus is still here. Just as it was back in February/March
If we can learn from the mistakes (or rather naive approach) we had back then, then that would help.
If we just return to normal - as we were back then - then history will repeat itself
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A vaccine is not coming until next year, and how well it protects will be unknown.
A second wave will not happen IF .......
The Government does not do stupid things like opening pubs...
People continue to wear masks, practice distancing etc., and generally stay vigilant.
Unfortunately younger people are impatient and thoughtless. They will get it and infect others. They do not know that even a mild case of COVID-19 can result in damage to other organs besides the lungs - heart and brain problems.
They think they get off lightly, but the future will show that they did not!
Probably a second wave is inevitable.
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What’s the lottery numbers this weekend and I hope you’re not wasted on here and otherwise using your skills to help the rest of the world and it’s planning.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 8 hours, 22 minutes ago
I do think a second wave will happen. I’m hoping that if/when it does, more understanding of the virus will lead to better care and treatment, resulting in fewer deaths, irrespective of the amount of people that get infected.
I do worry that the timing of a potential second wave will coincide with the autumn/winter, meaning that it could potentially be worse than what we’ve seen so far.
I do hope that the virus mutates into a weaker strain, which is a very real possibility, especially as the virus itself is having to adapt as it runs its own course through so many different immune systems.
I do think we have come out of lockdown too early. Or rather, are announcing less restrictive lockdown measures too soon (I.e. not waiting to see what the effect that one lockdown easing will have before announcing another lockdown easing.
I do worry that a lot of younger people are being reckless and that they could end up infecting the more vulnerable of our society through their own ignorance, or rather indifference, to the pandemic.
But equally I do understand the necessity for the economy to get back up and running. For people to feel as though they can get back to some kind of normal. I worry for the mental health of many, who are struggling and alone and fearful of losing their jobs and/or homes.
We all have our opinions on this. This thread is full of disagreements and frustration.
But we are all in this together. And despite the disagreements, I think every single person here shares the same sentiment. Some are being overly optimistic while others are being pessimistic. I myself fall on the pessimistic side. Nonetheless, that sentiment that we all share is pretty simple.
We all all fed up of it. We all want it over. We just can’t quite see eye to eye on the best way in which we will hopefully achieve that goal.
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posted on 1/7/20
comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)
posted 7 hours, 31 minutes ago
About the virus weakening - I might be wrong on this, but don’t they tend to do that so as to spread more easily? Covid-19 seems to spread very easily as it is so might not need to adapt.
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That’s actually the biggest problem, it’s highly contagious, that’s what’s freaked the experts and authorities out the most and why such drastic action was taken.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 19 hours, 27 minutes ago
I’m with Winston. There is no evidence whatsoever of a 2nd wave anywhere, so what experts on here seem to think the U.K. will get a 2nd wave ? No country has had a 2nd wave. Some countries have had the odd town/ city go into partial lockdown, but there has been no 2nd wave. I get the impression some people actually enjoy this and are secretly hoping for a 2nd wave, so they can be lazy ba*** for 8 months and not work. It’s scaremongering Bolloks and nobody has any evidence as to predicting we are in for a horrendous winter. The virus is on a downward trend and has been for months. The deaths are getting lower and the hospital cases far less. If people want to spend the rest of the year indoors in a dark room then that’s you’re choice. Stop lambasting people who want to get on with life.
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Cases in the world are going up not down. America is having a massive second wave. Dont be daft
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Buggerof (U1250)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 19 hours, 27 minutes ago
I’m with Winston. There is no evidence whatsoever of a 2nd wave anywhere, so what experts on here seem to think the U.K. will get a 2nd wave ? No country has had a 2nd wave. Some countries have had the odd town/ city go into partial lockdown, but there has been no 2nd wave. I get the impression some people actually enjoy this and are secretly hoping for a 2nd wave, so they can be lazy ba*** for 8 months and not work. It’s scaremongering Bolloks and nobody has any evidence as to predicting we are in for a horrendous winter. The virus is on a downward trend and has been for months. The deaths are getting lower and the hospital cases far less. If people want to spend the rest of the year indoors in a dark room then that’s you’re choice. Stop lambasting people who want to get on with life.
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Cases in the world are going up not down. America is having a massive second wave. Dont be daft
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Dozy Donald thinks he’s the only one who wants to “get on with his life”
Curious how anything he and his ilk don’t like the sound of is “scaremongering or fake news”
Facts don’t care about your feelings Donald.
Populist idiot.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Buggerof (U1250)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 19 hours, 27 minutes ago
I’m with Winston. There is no evidence whatsoever of a 2nd wave anywhere, so what experts on here seem to think the U.K. will get a 2nd wave ? No country has had a 2nd wave. Some countries have had the odd town/ city go into partial lockdown, but there has been no 2nd wave. I get the impression some people actually enjoy this and are secretly hoping for a 2nd wave, so they can be lazy ba*** for 8 months and not work. It’s scaremongering Bolloks and nobody has any evidence as to predicting we are in for a horrendous winter. The virus is on a downward trend and has been for months. The deaths are getting lower and the hospital cases far less. If people want to spend the rest of the year indoors in a dark room then that’s you’re choice. Stop lambasting people who want to get on with life.
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Cases in the world are going up not down. America is having a massive second wave. Dont be daft
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Eh?
The US is still in the first wave, surely? I certainly don’t know when else they had a first wave that’s for sure.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by Jay. (U16498)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
comment by Robb Sancho (U22311)
posted 13 minutes ago
I’m looking at Australia - handled the pandemic perfectly and hardly any cases but there’s been a huge spike in Victoria this week which has shown just how quickly this can come back to be a big problem in a short space of time. Went from zero new cases at the beginning of the month to 139 new cases in two days this week once lockdown was lifted in ways that the UK haven’t started yet.
My negativity comes from seeing so many selfish and ignorant people walking the streets and in the news who don’t seem to care. Once pubs open this Saturday (a stupid day to open up the world again) don’t be surprised to see cases rise all over the country.
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Is 139 cases huge?
Countries seem to be handling small outbreaks well, with no major spread and very few deaths - Germany, South Korea, Australia.
None of that leads to a conclusion we'll see a wave worse than the one we're in, does it?
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One very important thing to remember when discussing this - when comparing the UK to places such as Korea, Germany and Australia is that they have handled the situation infinitely better as a whole than we have. To say that they haven't seen a second spike yet is more a testament to their handling of the events, than any kind of proof that a second wave is not likely. Most countries who didn't handle it as well are still in the midst of the first wave. No one knows for sure whether there will be a second wave, but it seems likely without an imminent vaccine.
It's probably more realistic to compare us with somewhere like Italy, but frankly we've had the most cases in Western Europe, and if anyone is going to get fecked by their own incompetence & arrogance as a nation, it is us.
I don't live far away from Wandsworth & Clapham, even during the height of the pandemic, as soon as we got a bit of nice weather, that whole social distancing thing went right out of the window. Thousands of people gathering around because they think that it basically doesn't apply to them.
You are right, the vast majority of people in the country are following the rules, but it only takes a couple of idiots to start the whole thing back up again (after all, this whole thing started with one Chinese bloke).
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Yep and Italy is slowing easing back to normal. Tourists are starting to slowly go into the country. Italy was one of the biggest number of cases and is now safe to resume a sense of normality.
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Back to normal?? With strict measures in place. Nothing is normal ffs.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Buggerof (U1250)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 19 hours, 27 minutes ago
I’m with Winston. There is no evidence whatsoever of a 2nd wave anywhere, so what experts on here seem to think the U.K. will get a 2nd wave ? No country has had a 2nd wave. Some countries have had the odd town/ city go into partial lockdown, but there has been no 2nd wave. I get the impression some people actually enjoy this and are secretly hoping for a 2nd wave, so they can be lazy ba*** for 8 months and not work. It’s scaremongering Bolloks and nobody has any evidence as to predicting we are in for a horrendous winter. The virus is on a downward trend and has been for months. The deaths are getting lower and the hospital cases far less. If people want to spend the rest of the year indoors in a dark room then that’s you’re choice. Stop lambasting people who want to get on with life.
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Cases in the world are going up not down. America is having a massive second wave. Dont be daft
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Eh?
The US is still in the first wave, surely? I certainly don’t know when else they had a first wave that’s for sure.
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Their cases were going down to 20k a day form 30k. Now they are at 40k per day.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Curious how anything he and his ilk don’t like the sound of is “scaremongering or fake news”
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That's highly ironic coming from someone who hasn't answered one question I've put to him!
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Bazg (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Curious how anything he and his ilk don’t like the sound of is “scaremongering or fake news”
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That's highly ironic coming from someone who hasn't answered one question I've put to him!
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What do you want to know? How to open up the economy? How the f*ck am I supposed to know?
All know is what I will be doing.
Staying at home.
Protecting the NHS
Saving lives.
If you want to risk yours and your loved ones lives by mingling with The Herd, that’s your business.
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Bazg (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Curious how anything he and his ilk don’t like the sound of is “scaremongering or fake news”
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That's highly ironic coming from someone who hasn't answered one question I've put to him!
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What do you want to know? How to open up the economy? How the f*ck am I supposed to know?
All know is what I will be doing.
Staying at home.
Protecting the NHS
Saving lives.
If you want to risk yours and your loved ones lives by mingling with The Herd, that’s your business.
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1. If it was upto you would we still be in lockdown (to the initial measures or more)? If so how long for and if not what stage would you have us at?
2. Are you staying at home till a vaccine/eradication? If not what is (roughly) your plan to reintegrate yourself into society?
Succeed today where you failed yesterday and answer those two accurately and properly, i dare you!
posted on 1/7/20
Also if you're so insistent indefinite lockdown is the way to go then you absolutely should have an answer on how to save the economy and as an consequence people's lifes.
posted on 1/7/20
*lives
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Bazg (U22412)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 14 seconds ago
comment by Bazg (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People #BLM (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
Curious how anything he and his ilk don’t like the sound of is “scaremongering or fake news”
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That's highly ironic coming from someone who hasn't answered one question I've put to him!
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What do you want to know? How to open up the economy? How the f*ck am I supposed to know?
All know is what I will be doing.
Staying at home.
Protecting the NHS
Saving lives.
If you want to risk yours and your loved ones lives by mingling with The Herd, that’s your business.
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1. If it was upto you would we still be in lockdown (to the initial measures or more)? If so how long for and if not what stage would you have us at?
2. Are you staying at home till a vaccine/eradication? If not what is (roughly) your plan to reintegrate yourself into society?
Succeed today where you failed yesterday and answer those two accurately and properly, i dare you!
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1. We went into lockdown too late and are coming out too early. Our death toll and infection rate proves that beyond doubt.
2. I will be working from home until at least October and probably until the end of the year. None of the places I want to go to are even open yet so what am I really going outside for apart from a bit of fresh air?
posted on 1/7/20
comment by Bazg (U22412)
posted 4 minutes ago
Also if you're so insistent indefinite lockdown is the way to go then you absolutely should have an answer on how to save the economy and as an consequence people's lifes.
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The economy is f*cked. Add in Brexshit and it’s doubly f*cked
It’s not me to come up with solutions for problems I didn’t cause, let the Gammon sort it out.
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