comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
It’s a really difficult one to call tbh and largely will depend what you admire in a manager.
There are lots of caveats you can make to Pep’s success if you’re so inclined - the Barca team has talent coming through that was insane. It was ridiculous without (imo) the best player to ever play the game but with him it was an opportunity that few have ever had. That said, his Barcelona team will go down in history as impacting the way football was played. The approach was transformational.
The style and consistency of City is something we’ve never seen in england to that point which was seen record league points and scooping up of domestic cups as well. The money spent will be an issue for some but it was there for him to spend so what else was he going to do?
Bayern is perhaps the only qualified success - he inherited a team that had just completed the league, domestic cup and CL treble and Pep never hit those heights with them. Fantastic league success but that’s the least that’s expected of Bayern.
Klopp’s main achievements have been beating the odds - namely Bayern and Pep’s City. And we were in a mess when he took over!
I suspect if their careers ended this summer then Pep would be viewed as the better because of his original Barca team. I would argue however that any club other than the very successful and wealthy would want Klopp. Pep’s career demonstrates he elevated very good sides to exceptional ones. Klopp has brought his clubs up from a much lower base.
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Net spend has to be considered, along with the wage bill.
Those two things are critical.
They're not the only things that lead to success, but they need to be present imo.
I think Poch has shown that he can also develop players like Klopp has e.g. Rose, Alli... but we don't know if he can acquire top, top players to fill certain holes because he never had the wage structure to do it.
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Nope. He changed the whole team apart from Henderson. Changed the whole team, from a Europa League position, to CL and PL winners, on £90m net. Of course we had Gomez and Trent come up so that was a big help.
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feel free to compile a list of all these "key players" that klopp has sold.
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All the players in the first team since he arrived apart from Henderson. No need to list them. That speaks for itself.
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Klopp himself would say Edwards deserves all the praise for transfers. Some of the fees we've received are pure banter.
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quite. the robertson and salah transfers for instance are well documented, and most of the credit for those has to go to the transfer teams.
though klopp does take credit for accepting those transfers and improving the players. someone like jose for instance, if forced to settle for his second choice for a position, would be more likely to moan openly about it, and relegate the player to the reserves.
not sure if this is really fair, but i kinda get the impression that pep can be a little too dogmatic and stubborn about certain things. whereas if klopp wanted brandt, but had to settle for salah, it sure doesn't show on the pitch.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
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Did Liverpool have good players when Klopp joined?
Managers develop players that are already there and bring in new players.
Could Pep do that without hundreds of millions to spend? I'm not so sure.
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comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 2 minutes ago
Klopp-imo it's more impressive to progress a team from challengers to champions than just make a great team better.
If we were offered Klopp or Pep at Spurs I would definitely rather Klopp.
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Barca & City weren’t great teams when he took over. He made them dominant.
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no they were only really good teams with unlimited cash flow.
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FFP has rendered your "unlimited cash flow" jibe mute.
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Yes that's why you got a two year European ban
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If that's the price to pay for being a part of the elite, then it's really worth it.
Many big teams have been out of the CL longer than 2 years and are still thriving.
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 57 minutes ago
The proof is in the pudding. When Klopp joined City were miles ahead of Liverpool. Pep joined City a year later and improved them further, fast forward a couple of years and beating City most games we played them on the way, Klopp has overtaken Pep, one point behind him last season, winning a CL and now 20 points ahead with the league in the bag.
Started from a lower point than Pep but overtaken him.
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City were not miles ahead of Liverpool. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Both clubs competed for the 2014 PL title. That's not how you describe being "miles ahead".
Since Pep joined City, you've only bettered us in the CL game. We hammered you 5-0 once during that time. In the last 4 meetings, City has won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. But you Liverpool fans make it looks like complete domination.
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We smashed you to bits at Anfield this season, it was easy, and comparing Liverpool 2014 to the one that had lost Suarez AND Sterling is little short of stupid I'm afraid.
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 57 minutes ago
The proof is in the pudding. When Klopp joined City were miles ahead of Liverpool. Pep joined City a year later and improved them further, fast forward a couple of years and beating City most games we played them on the way, Klopp has overtaken Pep, one point behind him last season, winning a CL and now 20 points ahead with the league in the bag.
Started from a lower point than Pep but overtaken him.
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City were not miles ahead of Liverpool. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Both clubs competed for the 2014 PL title. That's not how you describe being "miles ahead".
Since Pep joined City, you've only bettered us in the CL game. We hammered you 5-0 once during that time. In the last 4 meetings, City has won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. But you Liverpool fans make it looks like complete domination.
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In 2014. Klopp wasn't at Liverpool in 2014. Stop rewriting history.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 minutes ago
He obviously doesn't need to do it but would love to see what Pep could do if he took over a project club in the way Klopp has. Not sure who would be closest to us or Dortmund today, maybe Arsenal.
Would be interesting to see.
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That will always be the question with Pep. Every team he has managed has had one of the top 2 squads in the league when he took over. And he has had the money to further strengthen.
I think people are forgetting the 2 seasons that Pep and Klopp overlapped in Germany.
Pep won the league by record margins both times, and Klopp finished mid table the second season despite having; Reus, Auba, Hummels, Mkhitaryan, Gundogan etc. The first season he had Lewandowski as well.
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All the players in the first team since he arrived apart from Henderson. No need to list them. That speaks for itself.
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as i said then, feel free to actually put together a list of names of these key players and see what response you get.
or are you too embarrassed to double down on this nonsense?
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 57 minutes ago
The proof is in the pudding. When Klopp joined City were miles ahead of Liverpool. Pep joined City a year later and improved them further, fast forward a couple of years and beating City most games we played them on the way, Klopp has overtaken Pep, one point behind him last season, winning a CL and now 20 points ahead with the league in the bag.
Started from a lower point than Pep but overtaken him.
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City were not miles ahead of Liverpool. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Both clubs competed for the 2014 PL title. That's not how you describe being "miles ahead".
Since Pep joined City, you've only bettered us in the CL game. We hammered you 5-0 once during that time. In the last 4 meetings, City has won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. But you Liverpool fans make it looks like complete domination.
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We were playing in the Europa and 10th in the league when Klopp joined.
Since Guardiola joined, we've won five, lost three (one being on pens) and drawn two.
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 minutes ago
He obviously doesn't need to do it but would love to see what Pep could do if he took over a project club in the way Klopp has. Not sure who would be closest to us or Dortmund today, maybe Arsenal.
Would be interesting to see.
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That will always be the question with Pep. Every team he has managed has had one of the top 2 squads in the league when he took over. And he has had the money to further strengthen.
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Not only that, but every time he's had a problem at City, he's solved it with his chequebook.
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posted 38 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
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Did Liverpool have good players when Klopp joined?
Managers develop players that are already there and bring in new players.
Could Pep do that without hundreds of millions to spend? I'm not so sure.
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And that's exactly my point. No manager can win anything except they have good quality players.
Klopp had to spend big in order to win the PL and the CL. But some fans seem to forget that and pretend that he did it on a shoestring budget.
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comment by mancini (U7179)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
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Did Liverpool have good players when Klopp joined?
Managers develop players that are already there and bring in new players.
Could Pep do that without hundreds of millions to spend? I'm not so sure.
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And that's exactly my point. No manager can win anything except they have good quality players.
Klopp had to spend big in order to win the PL and the CL. But some fans seem to forget that and pretend that he did it on a shoestring budget.
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Klopp spent big AND developed youth AND made shrewd signings.
Pep just spent big.
£90m over five years is hardly massive.
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 57 minutes ago
The proof is in the pudding. When Klopp joined City were miles ahead of Liverpool. Pep joined City a year later and improved them further, fast forward a couple of years and beating City most games we played them on the way, Klopp has overtaken Pep, one point behind him last season, winning a CL and now 20 points ahead with the league in the bag.
Started from a lower point than Pep but overtaken him.
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City were not miles ahead of Liverpool. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Both clubs competed for the 2014 PL title. That's not how you describe being "miles ahead".
Since Pep joined City, you've only bettered us in the CL game. We hammered you 5-0 once during that time. In the last 4 meetings, City has won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. But you Liverpool fans make it looks like complete domination.
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We smashed you to bits at Anfield this season, it was easy, and comparing Liverpool 2014 to the one that had lost Suarez AND Sterling is little short of stupid I'm afraid.
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3-1 is not how you describe "smashed to bits". And that's thanks to Michael O'Livarpool. TAA handled the ball twice in your box but was let off by the ref while VAR was off duty.
VAR
Bernardo handballed it before it hit Trent's arm, and the second one was close range with arm in natural position. Christ.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 minutes ago
He obviously doesn't need to do it but would love to see what Pep could do if he took over a project club in the way Klopp has. Not sure who would be closest to us or Dortmund today, maybe Arsenal.
Would be interesting to see.
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That will always be the question with Pep. Every team he has managed has had one of the top 2 squads in the league when he took over. And he has had the money to further strengthen.
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Not only that, but every time he's had a problem at City, he's solved it with his chequebook.
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And how did Klopp solve his problem at Livarpool?
I guess VVD, Alison, Wijnaldum, Salah, Mane, Ox, Keita etc all joined not through the chequebook but by the magic wand.
Incredible how blinkered some fans are.
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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comment by mancini (U7179)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
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Did Liverpool have good players when Klopp joined?
Managers develop players that are already there and bring in new players.
Could Pep do that without hundreds of millions to spend? I'm not so sure.
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And that's exactly my point. No manager can win anything except they have good quality players.
Klopp had to spend big in order to win the PL and the CL. But some fans seem to forget that and pretend that he did it on a shoestring budget.
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Klopp spent big AND developed youth AND made shrewd signings.
Pep just spent big.
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Other than TAA, how many other youth did Klopp develop?
Go on and name them.
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I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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And where did that team finished the year before Pep took over?
For those calling Pep a chequebook manager, how many big name signings did he make during his first year at Barcelona?
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
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Did Liverpool have good players when Klopp joined?
Managers develop players that are already there and bring in new players.
Could Pep do that without hundreds of millions to spend? I'm not so sure.
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And that's exactly my point. No manager can win anything except they have good quality players.
Klopp had to spend big in order to win the PL and the CL. But some fans seem to forget that and pretend that he did it on a shoestring budget.
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Klopp spent big AND developed youth AND made shrewd signings.
Pep just spent big.
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Other than TAA, how many other youth did Klopp develop?
Go on and name them.
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You develop and improve all players, not just the youth team. Klopp has improved a great number in our squad.
That said, I think it’s a bit of a fallacy that Pep doesn’t develop. The players he gets he improves and develops, Sterling being the most obvious example.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
posted on 2/7/20
It’s a really difficult one to call tbh and largely will depend what you admire in a manager.
There are lots of caveats you can make to Pep’s success if you’re so inclined - the Barca team has talent coming through that was insane. It was ridiculous without (imo) the best player to ever play the game but with him it was an opportunity that few have ever had. That said, his Barcelona team will go down in history as impacting the way football was played. The approach was transformational.
The style and consistency of City is something we’ve never seen in england to that point which was seen record league points and scooping up of domestic cups as well. The money spent will be an issue for some but it was there for him to spend so what else was he going to do?
Bayern is perhaps the only qualified success - he inherited a team that had just completed the league, domestic cup and CL treble and Pep never hit those heights with them. Fantastic league success but that’s the least that’s expected of Bayern.
Klopp’s main achievements have been beating the odds - namely Bayern and Pep’s City. And we were in a mess when he took over!
I suspect if their careers ended this summer then Pep would be viewed as the better because of his original Barca team. I would argue however that any club other than the very successful and wealthy would want Klopp. Pep’s career demonstrates he elevated very good sides to exceptional ones. Klopp has brought his clubs up from a much lower base.
posted on 2/7/20
Diafol Coch 77 - A Reputable Poster (U2462)
Net spend has to be considered, along with the wage bill.
Those two things are critical.
They're not the only things that lead to success, but they need to be present imo.
I think Poch has shown that he can also develop players like Klopp has e.g. Rose, Alli... but we don't know if he can acquire top, top players to fill certain holes because he never had the wage structure to do it.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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Nope. He changed the whole team apart from Henderson. Changed the whole team, from a Europa League position, to CL and PL winners, on £90m net. Of course we had Gomez and Trent come up so that was a big help.
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feel free to compile a list of all these "key players" that klopp has sold.
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All the players in the first team since he arrived apart from Henderson. No need to list them. That speaks for itself.
posted on 2/7/20
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Klopp himself would say Edwards deserves all the praise for transfers. Some of the fees we've received are pure banter.
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quite. the robertson and salah transfers for instance are well documented, and most of the credit for those has to go to the transfer teams.
though klopp does take credit for accepting those transfers and improving the players. someone like jose for instance, if forced to settle for his second choice for a position, would be more likely to moan openly about it, and relegate the player to the reserves.
not sure if this is really fair, but i kinda get the impression that pep can be a little too dogmatic and stubborn about certain things. whereas if klopp wanted brandt, but had to settle for salah, it sure doesn't show on the pitch.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
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Did Liverpool have good players when Klopp joined?
Managers develop players that are already there and bring in new players.
Could Pep do that without hundreds of millions to spend? I'm not so sure.
posted on 2/7/20
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comment by Everywhere you go always take Lamela with you. (U7905)
posted 2 minutes ago
Klopp-imo it's more impressive to progress a team from challengers to champions than just make a great team better.
If we were offered Klopp or Pep at Spurs I would definitely rather Klopp.
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Barca & City weren’t great teams when he took over. He made them dominant.
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no they were only really good teams with unlimited cash flow.
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FFP has rendered your "unlimited cash flow" jibe mute.
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Yes that's why you got a two year European ban
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If that's the price to pay for being a part of the elite, then it's really worth it.
Many big teams have been out of the CL longer than 2 years and are still thriving.
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 57 minutes ago
The proof is in the pudding. When Klopp joined City were miles ahead of Liverpool. Pep joined City a year later and improved them further, fast forward a couple of years and beating City most games we played them on the way, Klopp has overtaken Pep, one point behind him last season, winning a CL and now 20 points ahead with the league in the bag.
Started from a lower point than Pep but overtaken him.
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City were not miles ahead of Liverpool. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Both clubs competed for the 2014 PL title. That's not how you describe being "miles ahead".
Since Pep joined City, you've only bettered us in the CL game. We hammered you 5-0 once during that time. In the last 4 meetings, City has won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. But you Liverpool fans make it looks like complete domination.
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We smashed you to bits at Anfield this season, it was easy, and comparing Liverpool 2014 to the one that had lost Suarez AND Sterling is little short of stupid I'm afraid.
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The proof is in the pudding. When Klopp joined City were miles ahead of Liverpool. Pep joined City a year later and improved them further, fast forward a couple of years and beating City most games we played them on the way, Klopp has overtaken Pep, one point behind him last season, winning a CL and now 20 points ahead with the league in the bag.
Started from a lower point than Pep but overtaken him.
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City were not miles ahead of Liverpool. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Both clubs competed for the 2014 PL title. That's not how you describe being "miles ahead".
Since Pep joined City, you've only bettered us in the CL game. We hammered you 5-0 once during that time. In the last 4 meetings, City has won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. But you Liverpool fans make it looks like complete domination.
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In 2014. Klopp wasn't at Liverpool in 2014. Stop rewriting history.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 minutes ago
He obviously doesn't need to do it but would love to see what Pep could do if he took over a project club in the way Klopp has. Not sure who would be closest to us or Dortmund today, maybe Arsenal.
Would be interesting to see.
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That will always be the question with Pep. Every team he has managed has had one of the top 2 squads in the league when he took over. And he has had the money to further strengthen.
posted on 2/7/20
I think people are forgetting the 2 seasons that Pep and Klopp overlapped in Germany.
Pep won the league by record margins both times, and Klopp finished mid table the second season despite having; Reus, Auba, Hummels, Mkhitaryan, Gundogan etc. The first season he had Lewandowski as well.
posted on 2/7/20
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All the players in the first team since he arrived apart from Henderson. No need to list them. That speaks for itself.
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as i said then, feel free to actually put together a list of names of these key players and see what response you get.
or are you too embarrassed to double down on this nonsense?
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comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 57 minutes ago
The proof is in the pudding. When Klopp joined City were miles ahead of Liverpool. Pep joined City a year later and improved them further, fast forward a couple of years and beating City most games we played them on the way, Klopp has overtaken Pep, one point behind him last season, winning a CL and now 20 points ahead with the league in the bag.
Started from a lower point than Pep but overtaken him.
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City were not miles ahead of Liverpool. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Both clubs competed for the 2014 PL title. That's not how you describe being "miles ahead".
Since Pep joined City, you've only bettered us in the CL game. We hammered you 5-0 once during that time. In the last 4 meetings, City has won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. But you Liverpool fans make it looks like complete domination.
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We were playing in the Europa and 10th in the league when Klopp joined.
Since Guardiola joined, we've won five, lost three (one being on pens) and drawn two.
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 minutes ago
He obviously doesn't need to do it but would love to see what Pep could do if he took over a project club in the way Klopp has. Not sure who would be closest to us or Dortmund today, maybe Arsenal.
Would be interesting to see.
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That will always be the question with Pep. Every team he has managed has had one of the top 2 squads in the league when he took over. And he has had the money to further strengthen.
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Not only that, but every time he's had a problem at City, he's solved it with his chequebook.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
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Did Liverpool have good players when Klopp joined?
Managers develop players that are already there and bring in new players.
Could Pep do that without hundreds of millions to spend? I'm not so sure.
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And that's exactly my point. No manager can win anything except they have good quality players.
Klopp had to spend big in order to win the PL and the CL. But some fans seem to forget that and pretend that he did it on a shoestring budget.
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Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
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Did Liverpool have good players when Klopp joined?
Managers develop players that are already there and bring in new players.
Could Pep do that without hundreds of millions to spend? I'm not so sure.
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And that's exactly my point. No manager can win anything except they have good quality players.
Klopp had to spend big in order to win the PL and the CL. But some fans seem to forget that and pretend that he did it on a shoestring budget.
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Klopp spent big AND developed youth AND made shrewd signings.
Pep just spent big.
posted on 2/7/20
£90m over five years is hardly massive.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by *Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 57 minutes ago
The proof is in the pudding. When Klopp joined City were miles ahead of Liverpool. Pep joined City a year later and improved them further, fast forward a couple of years and beating City most games we played them on the way, Klopp has overtaken Pep, one point behind him last season, winning a CL and now 20 points ahead with the league in the bag.
Started from a lower point than Pep but overtaken him.
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City were not miles ahead of Liverpool. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Both clubs competed for the 2014 PL title. That's not how you describe being "miles ahead".
Since Pep joined City, you've only bettered us in the CL game. We hammered you 5-0 once during that time. In the last 4 meetings, City has won 2, drawn 1 and lost 1. But you Liverpool fans make it looks like complete domination.
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We smashed you to bits at Anfield this season, it was easy, and comparing Liverpool 2014 to the one that had lost Suarez AND Sterling is little short of stupid I'm afraid.
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3-1 is not how you describe "smashed to bits". And that's thanks to Michael O'Livarpool. TAA handled the ball twice in your box but was let off by the ref while VAR was off duty.
posted on 2/7/20
VAR
Bernardo handballed it before it hit Trent's arm, and the second one was close range with arm in natural position. Christ.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
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comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 minutes ago
He obviously doesn't need to do it but would love to see what Pep could do if he took over a project club in the way Klopp has. Not sure who would be closest to us or Dortmund today, maybe Arsenal.
Would be interesting to see.
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That will always be the question with Pep. Every team he has managed has had one of the top 2 squads in the league when he took over. And he has had the money to further strengthen.
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Not only that, but every time he's had a problem at City, he's solved it with his chequebook.
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And how did Klopp solve his problem at Livarpool?
I guess VVD, Alison, Wijnaldum, Salah, Mane, Ox, Keita etc all joined not through the chequebook but by the magic wand.
Incredible how blinkered some fans are.
posted on 2/7/20
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
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comment by mancini (U7179)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 seconds ago
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posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
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Did Liverpool have good players when Klopp joined?
Managers develop players that are already there and bring in new players.
Could Pep do that without hundreds of millions to spend? I'm not so sure.
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And that's exactly my point. No manager can win anything except they have good quality players.
Klopp had to spend big in order to win the PL and the CL. But some fans seem to forget that and pretend that he did it on a shoestring budget.
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Klopp spent big AND developed youth AND made shrewd signings.
Pep just spent big.
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Other than TAA, how many other youth did Klopp develop?
Go on and name them.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 second ago
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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And where did that team finished the year before Pep took over?
For those calling Pep a chequebook manager, how many big name signings did he make during his first year at Barcelona?
posted on 2/7/20
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 6 minutes ago
Klopp the better all round manager for me.
If you put them both in charge of Barca, they'd win the league.
If you put them both in charge of Athletico, I'd fancy Klopp to achieve more than Pep.
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It doesn't matter the club you put any manager, if they don't have good players, they can't win.
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Did Liverpool have good players when Klopp joined?
Managers develop players that are already there and bring in new players.
Could Pep do that without hundreds of millions to spend? I'm not so sure.
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And that's exactly my point. No manager can win anything except they have good quality players.
Klopp had to spend big in order to win the PL and the CL. But some fans seem to forget that and pretend that he did it on a shoestring budget.
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Klopp spent big AND developed youth AND made shrewd signings.
Pep just spent big.
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Other than TAA, how many other youth did Klopp develop?
Go on and name them.
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You develop and improve all players, not just the youth team. Klopp has improved a great number in our squad.
That said, I think it’s a bit of a fallacy that Pep doesn’t develop. The players he gets he improves and develops, Sterling being the most obvious example.
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