comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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Real had been dominating the 2 years prior to Pep’s ascension to Head Coach.
One of his first moves was selling Ronaldinho. He brought pique into the XI and gave new life to Henry & Eto’o (the Henry-Eto’o-Messi attack scored 100 goals in 08/09).
mancini (U7179)
'go on, name them'
Calm down mate
TAA and I'd put Gomez into that category as well.
Looks like more are working their way through as well.
It's a big fat zero for Pep.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 0 seconds ago
mancini (U7179)
'go on, name them'
Calm down mate
TAA and I'd put Gomez into that category as well.
Looks like more are working their way through as well.
It's a big fat zero for Pep.
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And you have say Robertson is a combination of the two, really.
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 second ago
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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And where did that team finished the year before Pep took over?
For those calling Pep a chequebook manager, how many big name signings did he make during his first year at Barcelona?
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3rd in the league and semis of the CL.
No-one is saying that Pep isn’t an absolute beast of a manager, he clearly is. But unfortunately he hasn’t done it in lesser situations, not his fault, why manage Celta Vigo when you can manage Barcelona?
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 minutes ago
He obviously doesn't need to do it but would love to see what Pep could do if he took over a project club in the way Klopp has. Not sure who would be closest to us or Dortmund today, maybe Arsenal.
Would be interesting to see.
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That will always be the question with Pep. Every team he has managed has had one of the top 2 squads in the league when he took over. And he has had the money to further strengthen.
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Not only that, but every time he's had a problem at City, he's solved it with his chequebook.
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And how did Klopp solve his problem at Livarpool?
I guess VVD, Alison, Wijnaldum, Salah, Mane, Ox, Keita etc all joined not through the chequebook but by the magic wand.
Incredible how blinkered some fans are.
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What exactly am I blinkered about?
I haven't said money isn't part of Klopp's success, have I?
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 second ago
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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And where did that team finished the year before Pep took over?
For those calling Pep a chequebook manager, how many big name signings did he make during his first year at Barcelona?
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Aye just a cool €35m for a fullback in 2008, surprised he won a thing with such little backing
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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Real had been dominating the 2 years prior to Pep’s ascension to Head Coach.
One of his first moves was selling Ronaldinho. He brought pique into the XI and gave new life to Henry & Eto’o (the Henry-Eto’o-Messi attack scored 100 goals in 08/09).
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He also had talent coming through the academy the likes of which has arguably never been seen (in one generation) before.
I don't think Pep is necessarily a chequebook manager... but there's no question that at City, he's relied entirely on his chequebook.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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Real had been dominating the 2 years prior to Pep’s ascension to Head Coach.
One of his first moves was selling Ronaldinho. He brought pique into the XI and gave new life to Henry & Eto’o (the Henry-Eto’o-Messi attack scored 100 goals in 08/09).
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Yes because he’s an excellent manager. But he has one question mark and that is whether he can do it at a club that isn’t a top level club.
For example SAF with Aberdeen. If he hadn’t done that, he’d still be a top top manager but the same question couple have been asked of him. Luckily for SAF he did that’s why he’s the GOAT 😂😂😂
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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Real had been dominating the 2 years prior to Pep’s ascension to Head Coach.
One of his first moves was selling Ronaldinho. He brought pique into the XI and gave new life to Henry & Eto’o (the Henry-Eto’o-Messi attack scored 100 goals in 08/09).
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He also had talent coming through the academy the likes of which has arguably never been seen (in one generation) before.
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Why are you talking about the class of 92? 😂😂😂
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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All the players in the first team since he arrived apart from Henderson. No need to list them. That speaks for itself.
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as i said then, feel free to actually put together a list of names of these key players and see what response you get.
or are you too embarrassed to double down on this nonsense?
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I'm not sure what you want here. You want me to list the players so you can respond to say they weren't key players? So we had two key players in Henderson and Coutinho? If that's you're strategy then you're not just a big crying baby but incredibly thick also.
Sold one key player
He sold the whole team, apart from Henderson. He then replaced them, with £90m net and won the CL and PL. There's nothing you can say about that that doesn't make it an outstanding achievement, no matter how hard you cry about it.
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 18 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Of course they would. Certainly in the beginning. If you've built a level of success then you can do what Fergie did, buy one or two big players every season whilst selling one or two. I wouldn't call him a chequebook manager for doing that.
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 45 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Yup. Which is why I said it wasn’t Pep’s fault but to have success in more difficult circumstances is something that Pep is missing CV-wise.
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I'm not sure what you want here. You want me to list the players so you can respond to say they weren't key players? So we had two key players in Henderson and Coutinho? If that's you're strategy then you're not just a big crying baby but incredibly thick also.
Sold one key player
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you could try being more honest and less abusive, that might help.
here's the full list, if you actually care:
https://www.transferleague.co.uk/liverpool/english-football-teams/liverpool-transfers
and here are the sales for more than £10m, so presumably these are all your key players:
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Yep.
And it should be said that Pep tends to spend good money on talent rather than big, big money on the finished article.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 18 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Of course they would. Certainly in the beginning. If you've built a level of success then you can do what Fergie did, buy one or two big players every season whilst selling one or two. I wouldn't call him a chequebook manager for doing that.
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Kneerash, no.
And bringing up Ferguson is a ridiculous comment.
Ferguson proves the answer is no.
He always combined youth development with big signings - despite having the resources to focus entirely on using his chequebook, if that's what he wanted to do.
Can't believe I've just read that. Crazy comment.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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I'm not sure what you want here. You want me to list the players so you can respond to say they weren't key players? So we had two key players in Henderson and Coutinho? If that's you're strategy then you're not just a big crying baby but incredibly thick also.
Sold one key player
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you could try being more honest and less abusive, that might help.
here's the full list, if you actually care:
https://www.transferleague.co.uk/liverpool/english-football-teams/liverpool-transfers
and here are the sales for more than £10m, so presumably these are all your key players:
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
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So it wasn't one player then?
Regardless you've missed players out, due to your £10m plus criteria, you've made up.
Below is the squad for his first game.
Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Leiva, Can, Milner, Lallana (replaced by Allen), Coutinho (replaced by Ibe), Origi
Subs: Toure, Allen, Ibe, Bogdan, Sinclair, Vilaca Teixeira, Randall
Henderson and Milner remain. He replaced all the others for £90m net over time and won the CL and PL.
Whether or not they were any good is irrelevant as even poor players can be key players in a poor team, which is what we had become due to losing key players and also remember Sturridge who was never to play a run of games again, having the previous season banged them in before his injury.
An outstanding achievement which can't be belittled.
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
Forgot about the legend that is Origi, he remains!
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 18 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Of course they would. Certainly in the beginning. If you've built a level of success then you can do what Fergie did, buy one or two big players every season whilst selling one or two. I wouldn't call him a chequebook manager for doing that.
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Kneerash, no.
And bringing up Ferguson is a ridiculous comment.
Ferguson proves the answer is no.
He always combined youth development with big signings - despite having the resources to focus entirely on using his chequebook, if that's what he wanted to do.
Can't believe I've just read that. Crazy comment.
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I think that was Kneerashs point mate
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 18 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Of course they would. Certainly in the beginning. If you've built a level of success then you can do what Fergie did, buy one or two big players every season whilst selling one or two. I wouldn't call him a chequebook manager for doing that.
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Kneerash, no.
And bringing up Ferguson is a ridiculous comment.
Ferguson proves the answer is no.
He always combined youth development with big signings - despite having the resources to focus entirely on using his chequebook, if that's what he wanted to do.
Can't believe I've just read that. Crazy comment.
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I think that was Kneerashs point mate
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Kneerash asked a question to be fair - it's the comment that came after that is ridiculous.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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Superb
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 33 seconds ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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always nice to have a dumping ground for your rubbish. similarly, i'll be happy if evertone stay up, but don't become too good, so they can take our next batch of gibsons and schneiderlins.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 33 seconds ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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always nice to have a dumping ground for your rubbish. similarly, i'll be happy if evertone stay up, but don't become too good, so they can take our next batch of gibsons and schneiderlins.
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Before Ancelotti came in I would have said Lingard could end up there. Not sure that would happen now though.
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posted on 2/7/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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Real had been dominating the 2 years prior to Pep’s ascension to Head Coach.
One of his first moves was selling Ronaldinho. He brought pique into the XI and gave new life to Henry & Eto’o (the Henry-Eto’o-Messi attack scored 100 goals in 08/09).
posted on 2/7/20
mancini (U7179)
'go on, name them'
Calm down mate
TAA and I'd put Gomez into that category as well.
Looks like more are working their way through as well.
It's a big fat zero for Pep.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 0 seconds ago
mancini (U7179)
'go on, name them'
Calm down mate
TAA and I'd put Gomez into that category as well.
Looks like more are working their way through as well.
It's a big fat zero for Pep.
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And you have say Robertson is a combination of the two, really.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 second ago
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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And where did that team finished the year before Pep took over?
For those calling Pep a chequebook manager, how many big name signings did he make during his first year at Barcelona?
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3rd in the league and semis of the CL.
No-one is saying that Pep isn’t an absolute beast of a manager, he clearly is. But unfortunately he hasn’t done it in lesser situations, not his fault, why manage Celta Vigo when you can manage Barcelona?
posted on 2/7/20
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 minutes ago
He obviously doesn't need to do it but would love to see what Pep could do if he took over a project club in the way Klopp has. Not sure who would be closest to us or Dortmund today, maybe Arsenal.
Would be interesting to see.
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That will always be the question with Pep. Every team he has managed has had one of the top 2 squads in the league when he took over. And he has had the money to further strengthen.
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Not only that, but every time he's had a problem at City, he's solved it with his chequebook.
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And how did Klopp solve his problem at Livarpool?
I guess VVD, Alison, Wijnaldum, Salah, Mane, Ox, Keita etc all joined not through the chequebook but by the magic wand.
Incredible how blinkered some fans are.
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What exactly am I blinkered about?
I haven't said money isn't part of Klopp's success, have I?
posted on 2/7/20
comment by mancini (U7179)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 second ago
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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And where did that team finished the year before Pep took over?
For those calling Pep a chequebook manager, how many big name signings did he make during his first year at Barcelona?
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Aye just a cool €35m for a fullback in 2008, surprised he won a thing with such little backing
posted on 2/7/20
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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Real had been dominating the 2 years prior to Pep’s ascension to Head Coach.
One of his first moves was selling Ronaldinho. He brought pique into the XI and gave new life to Henry & Eto’o (the Henry-Eto’o-Messi attack scored 100 goals in 08/09).
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He also had talent coming through the academy the likes of which has arguably never been seen (in one generation) before.
posted on 2/7/20
I don't think Pep is necessarily a chequebook manager... but there's no question that at City, he's relied entirely on his chequebook.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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Real had been dominating the 2 years prior to Pep’s ascension to Head Coach.
One of his first moves was selling Ronaldinho. He brought pique into the XI and gave new life to Henry & Eto’o (the Henry-Eto’o-Messi attack scored 100 goals in 08/09).
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Yes because he’s an excellent manager. But he has one question mark and that is whether he can do it at a club that isn’t a top level club.
For example SAF with Aberdeen. If he hadn’t done that, he’d still be a top top manager but the same question couple have been asked of him. Luckily for SAF he did that’s why he’s the GOAT 😂😂😂
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by #LiquidGenius (U20571)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
I think that Klopp would do better when tested scientifically ie. at managing 3 different club types - low league, mid table and a top team. Overall I think Klopp would do better.
The main reason being that Pep hasn’t ever managed a lower team than top.
The team he took over st Barcelona was hardly naff: it had Puyol, Valdes, Xavi, Iniesta, Toure, eto’o, Ronaldinho & Messi. Liverpool has good players too Gerrard, Coutinho, Sturridge, Sterling but let’s not make out that they’re similar.
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Real had been dominating the 2 years prior to Pep’s ascension to Head Coach.
One of his first moves was selling Ronaldinho. He brought pique into the XI and gave new life to Henry & Eto’o (the Henry-Eto’o-Messi attack scored 100 goals in 08/09).
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He also had talent coming through the academy the likes of which has arguably never been seen (in one generation) before.
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Why are you talking about the class of 92? 😂😂😂
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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All the players in the first team since he arrived apart from Henderson. No need to list them. That speaks for itself.
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as i said then, feel free to actually put together a list of names of these key players and see what response you get.
or are you too embarrassed to double down on this nonsense?
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I'm not sure what you want here. You want me to list the players so you can respond to say they weren't key players? So we had two key players in Henderson and Coutinho? If that's you're strategy then you're not just a big crying baby but incredibly thick also.
Sold one key player
He sold the whole team, apart from Henderson. He then replaced them, with £90m net and won the CL and PL. There's nothing you can say about that that doesn't make it an outstanding achievement, no matter how hard you cry about it.
posted on 2/7/20
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
posted on 2/7/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 18 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Of course they would. Certainly in the beginning. If you've built a level of success then you can do what Fergie did, buy one or two big players every season whilst selling one or two. I wouldn't call him a chequebook manager for doing that.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 45 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Yup. Which is why I said it wasn’t Pep’s fault but to have success in more difficult circumstances is something that Pep is missing CV-wise.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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I'm not sure what you want here. You want me to list the players so you can respond to say they weren't key players? So we had two key players in Henderson and Coutinho? If that's you're strategy then you're not just a big crying baby but incredibly thick also.
Sold one key player
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you could try being more honest and less abusive, that might help.
here's the full list, if you actually care:
https://www.transferleague.co.uk/liverpool/english-football-teams/liverpool-transfers
and here are the sales for more than £10m, so presumably these are all your key players:
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
posted on 2/7/20
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 26 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Yep.
And it should be said that Pep tends to spend good money on talent rather than big, big money on the finished article.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 18 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Of course they would. Certainly in the beginning. If you've built a level of success then you can do what Fergie did, buy one or two big players every season whilst selling one or two. I wouldn't call him a chequebook manager for doing that.
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Kneerash, no.
And bringing up Ferguson is a ridiculous comment.
Ferguson proves the answer is no.
He always combined youth development with big signings - despite having the resources to focus entirely on using his chequebook, if that's what he wanted to do.
Can't believe I've just read that. Crazy comment.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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I'm not sure what you want here. You want me to list the players so you can respond to say they weren't key players? So we had two key players in Henderson and Coutinho? If that's you're strategy then you're not just a big crying baby but incredibly thick also.
Sold one key player
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you could try being more honest and less abusive, that might help.
here's the full list, if you actually care:
https://www.transferleague.co.uk/liverpool/english-football-teams/liverpool-transfers
and here are the sales for more than £10m, so presumably these are all your key players:
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
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So it wasn't one player then?
Regardless you've missed players out, due to your £10m plus criteria, you've made up.
Below is the squad for his first game.
Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Leiva, Can, Milner, Lallana (replaced by Allen), Coutinho (replaced by Ibe), Origi
Subs: Toure, Allen, Ibe, Bogdan, Sinclair, Vilaca Teixeira, Randall
Henderson and Milner remain. He replaced all the others for £90m net over time and won the CL and PL.
Whether or not they were any good is irrelevant as even poor players can be key players in a poor team, which is what we had become due to losing key players and also remember Sturridge who was never to play a run of games again, having the previous season banged them in before his injury.
An outstanding achievement which can't be belittled.
posted on 2/7/20
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
posted on 2/7/20
Forgot about the legend that is Origi, he remains!
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 18 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Of course they would. Certainly in the beginning. If you've built a level of success then you can do what Fergie did, buy one or two big players every season whilst selling one or two. I wouldn't call him a chequebook manager for doing that.
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Kneerash, no.
And bringing up Ferguson is a ridiculous comment.
Ferguson proves the answer is no.
He always combined youth development with big signings - despite having the resources to focus entirely on using his chequebook, if that's what he wanted to do.
Can't believe I've just read that. Crazy comment.
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I think that was Kneerashs point mate
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by kneerash-23 Cara Gold (U6876)
posted 18 seconds ago
Wouldn't any manger be a chequebook manager if they could?
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Of course they would. Certainly in the beginning. If you've built a level of success then you can do what Fergie did, buy one or two big players every season whilst selling one or two. I wouldn't call him a chequebook manager for doing that.
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Kneerash, no.
And bringing up Ferguson is a ridiculous comment.
Ferguson proves the answer is no.
He always combined youth development with big signings - despite having the resources to focus entirely on using his chequebook, if that's what he wanted to do.
Can't believe I've just read that. Crazy comment.
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I think that was Kneerashs point mate
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Kneerash asked a question to be fair - it's the comment that came after that is ridiculous.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 minutes ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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Superb
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 33 seconds ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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always nice to have a dumping ground for your rubbish. similarly, i'll be happy if evertone stay up, but don't become too good, so they can take our next batch of gibsons and schneiderlins.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 33 seconds ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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always nice to have a dumping ground for your rubbish. similarly, i'll be happy if evertone stay up, but don't become too good, so they can take our next batch of gibsons and schneiderlins.
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Before Ancelotti came in I would have said Lingard could end up there. Not sure that would happen now though.
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