comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 14 minutes ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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Apart from the recent lukaku deal utd on the other hand seem to practically give their players away
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 19 minutes ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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When you look at that list, the only one who's come close to justifying the fee spent is Ings. Great business by Liverpool, it has to be said. The likes of United and City are nowhere near as good as Chelsea and Liverpool when it comes to sales
*Joe Allen has done okay too, tbf actually
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 14 minutes ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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Apart from the recent lukaku deal utd on the other hand seem to practically give their players away
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To be fair, when United were good, they got some great fees for rubbish players also.
comment by (K̀‡ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 3 hours, 2 minutes ago
If you got money then Pep but if you need to do it organically then there is no better than Klopp.
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I do think some Liverpool fans underplay just how much money is involved with their success, particularly when discussing it with Spurs fans.
But maybe that's just a bit of wummery.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I do think some Liverpool fans underplay just how much money is involved with their success, particularly when discussing it with Spurs fans.
But maybe that's just a bit of wummery.
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Maybe. We’ve spent a lot of money certainly, we’ve just been good at sales as well.
I’d say that since Klopp has been here our expenditure compared to the clubs we need to beat to achieve our domestic and European goals has been modest. City, Utd, Barca, RM, Juve, PSG - they’re the teams we need to catch up with, compete with and beat. Spend relative to those clubs isn’t big imo.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I do think some Liverpool fans underplay just how much money is involved with their success, particularly when discussing it with Spurs fans.
But maybe that's just a bit of wummery.
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Maybe. We’ve spent a lot of money certainly, we’ve just been good at sales as well.
I’d say that since Klopp has been here our expenditure compared to the clubs we need to beat to achieve our domestic and European goals has been modest. City, Utd, Barca, RM, Juve, PSG - they’re the teams we need to catch up with, compete with and beat. Spend relative to those clubs isn’t big imo.
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Yeh, I'd agree with you there.
Make no mistake, I think Klopp has done a superb job.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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All the players in the first team since he arrived apart from Henderson. No need to list them. That speaks for itself.
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as i said then, feel free to actually put together a list of names of these key players and see what response you get.
or are you too embarrassed to double down on this nonsense?
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I gave you the list. As I said before your strategy here is a stupid one. You want me to list the players, you then say they're not key players, which is ridiculous. Just because they weren't good enough doesnt mean they weren't key players at the time.
As I said before, sold basically the whole team, bought new players for £90m net, went from no hopers to CL and PL champions.
An outstanding achievement no matter how much you cry about it.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 14 minutes ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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Apart from the recent lukaku deal utd on the other hand seem to practically give their players away
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To be fair, when United were good, they got some great fees for rubbish players also.
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I dunno
Even under Fergie we seemed to let players go on the cheap
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Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread has taken a seemingly predictable turn.
Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
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Has it?
Who suggested one of these two managers isn't really that good?
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
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At least they both respect each other and the teams they manage. Pep has always been very complimentary about Klopp and the team and vice versa.
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I gave you the list. As I said before your strategy here is a stupid one. You want me to list the players, you then say they're not key players, which is ridiculous. Just because they weren't good enough doesnt mean they weren't key players at the time.
As I said before, sold basically the whole team, bought new players for £90m net, went from no hopers to CL and PL champions.
An outstanding achievement no matter how much you cry about it.
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ok, so your strategy is to double down on the insults, great.
look, if you want to claim that moreno, skrtel, mignolet, leiva, allen and ibe were all key players, and that i'm "incredibly thick" and "crying" for not thinking so, have at it. but i don't need to argue my point any further, i think everyone here can see that you're talking nonsense.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread has taken a seemingly predictable turn.
Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
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At least they both respect each other and the teams they manage. Pep has always been very complimentary about Klopp and the team and vice versa.
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True.
I personally would be happy to have either as manager of the club I support.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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I gave you the list. As I said before your strategy here is a stupid one. You want me to list the players, you then say they're not key players, which is ridiculous. Just because they weren't good enough doesnt mean they weren't key players at the time.
As I said before, sold basically the whole team, bought new players for £90m net, went from no hopers to CL and PL champions.
An outstanding achievement no matter how much you cry about it.
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ok, so your strategy is to double down on the insults, great.
look, if you want to claim that moreno, skrtel, mignolet, leiva, allen and ibe were all key players, and that i'm "incredibly thick" and "crying" for not thinking so, have at it. but i don't need to argue my point any further, i think everyone here can see that you're talking nonsense.
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No no, I'm saying you're crying due to the crying you did on an article last week about the nasty Liverpool fans having the audacity to post a negative comment in relation to United despite your posting history showing you do the exact same in regards to Liverpool.
I'm claiming you're thick as you've just done what I said you would do. You're claiming because players weren't good enough they weren't key players when that is a stupid way to look at things, considering they were in fact key players, for the poor team we had at the time. Klopp then sold them and bought new ones, for £90m net and went on to win the PL and CL. An outstanding achievement.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread has taken a seemingly predictable turn.
Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
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At least they both respect each other and the teams they manage. Pep has always been very complimentary about Klopp and the team and vice versa.
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True.
I personally would be happy to have either as manager of the club I support.
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Agree.
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 minutes ago
He obviously doesn't need to do it but would love to see what Pep could do if he took over a project club in the way Klopp has. Not sure who would be closest to us or Dortmund today, maybe Arsenal.
Would be interesting to see.
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That will always be the question with Pep. Every team he has managed has had one of the top 2 squads in the league when he took over. And he has had the money to further strengthen.
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Not only that, but every time he's had a problem at City, he's solved it with his chequebook.
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Well, they did win the league playing sparkling football with Fabian Delph at full-back when the expensive defenders got injured, to be fair. Otherwise you're probably more or less right.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 minutes ago
I do think some Liverpool fans underplay just how much money is involved with their success, particularly when discussing it with Spurs fans.
But maybe that's just a bit of wummery.
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Everyone does to an extent tbh. It’s less money as such but more just the importance of players. Ultimately it’s them that win trophies.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread has taken a seemingly predictable turn.
Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
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At least they both respect each other and the teams they manage. Pep has always been very complimentary about Klopp and the team and vice versa.
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True.
I personally would be happy to have either as manager of the club I support.
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Agree.
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Agree with that all of that too.
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Clockwork Red (U4892)
Fair point
I think it's what irritates me most about Pep.
I have no doubt he could take an untested kid and get them playing well in the first team, quickly.
But he seems unwilling to take the gamble at City.
Hasn’t needed to really tbh, I’d argue Zinchenko, particularly playing him at left back, could fall into that bracket.
One thing Pep definitely has over Klopp is sustaining a period of success over several seasons.
He had 4 consecutive good years at Barca, 3 straight at Bayern and now at least 2 in a row at City (maybe 3 depending on how this season goes).
Klopp has only ever managed 2-consecutive good seasons.
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posted on 2/7/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 14 minutes ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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Apart from the recent lukaku deal utd on the other hand seem to practically give their players away
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 19 minutes ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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When you look at that list, the only one who's come close to justifying the fee spent is Ings. Great business by Liverpool, it has to be said. The likes of United and City are nowhere near as good as Chelsea and Liverpool when it comes to sales
posted on 2/7/20
*Joe Allen has done okay too, tbf actually
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 14 minutes ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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Apart from the recent lukaku deal utd on the other hand seem to practically give their players away
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To be fair, when United were good, they got some great fees for rubbish players also.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by (K̀‡ash) I'm the Mané - PL Champione (U1108)
posted 3 hours, 2 minutes ago
If you got money then Pep but if you need to do it organically then there is no better than Klopp.
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posted on 2/7/20
I do think some Liverpool fans underplay just how much money is involved with their success, particularly when discussing it with Spurs fans.
But maybe that's just a bit of wummery.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I do think some Liverpool fans underplay just how much money is involved with their success, particularly when discussing it with Spurs fans.
But maybe that's just a bit of wummery.
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Maybe. We’ve spent a lot of money certainly, we’ve just been good at sales as well.
I’d say that since Klopp has been here our expenditure compared to the clubs we need to beat to achieve our domestic and European goals has been modest. City, Utd, Barca, RM, Juve, PSG - they’re the teams we need to catch up with, compete with and beat. Spend relative to those clubs isn’t big imo.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
I do think some Liverpool fans underplay just how much money is involved with their success, particularly when discussing it with Spurs fans.
But maybe that's just a bit of wummery.
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Maybe. We’ve spent a lot of money certainly, we’ve just been good at sales as well.
I’d say that since Klopp has been here our expenditure compared to the clubs we need to beat to achieve our domestic and European goals has been modest. City, Utd, Barca, RM, Juve, PSG - they’re the teams we need to catch up with, compete with and beat. Spend relative to those clubs isn’t big imo.
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Yeh, I'd agree with you there.
Make no mistake, I think Klopp has done a superb job.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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All the players in the first team since he arrived apart from Henderson. No need to list them. That speaks for itself.
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as i said then, feel free to actually put together a list of names of these key players and see what response you get.
or are you too embarrassed to double down on this nonsense?
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I gave you the list. As I said before your strategy here is a stupid one. You want me to list the players, you then say they're not key players, which is ridiculous. Just because they weren't good enough doesnt mean they weren't key players at the time.
As I said before, sold basically the whole team, bought new players for £90m net, went from no hopers to CL and PL champions.
An outstanding achievement no matter how much you cry about it.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 14 minutes ago
Danny Ings £20,000,000
Danny Ward £12,500,000
Dominic Solanke £19,000,000
Mamadou Sakho £26,000,000
Philippe Coutinho £142,000,000
Jordon Ibe £15,000,000
Joe Allen £13,000,000
Christian Benteke £27,000,000
Damn we got some good money for some very average players.
For this reason and no other I hope Bournemouth stay up
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Apart from the recent lukaku deal utd on the other hand seem to practically give their players away
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To be fair, when United were good, they got some great fees for rubbish players also.
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I dunno
Even under Fergie we seemed to let players go on the cheap
posted on 2/7/20
This thread has taken a seemingly predictable turn.
Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread has taken a seemingly predictable turn.
Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
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Has it?
Who suggested one of these two managers isn't really that good?
posted on 2/7/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread has taken a seemingly predictable turn.
Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
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At least they both respect each other and the teams they manage. Pep has always been very complimentary about Klopp and the team and vice versa.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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I gave you the list. As I said before your strategy here is a stupid one. You want me to list the players, you then say they're not key players, which is ridiculous. Just because they weren't good enough doesnt mean they weren't key players at the time.
As I said before, sold basically the whole team, bought new players for £90m net, went from no hopers to CL and PL champions.
An outstanding achievement no matter how much you cry about it.
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ok, so your strategy is to double down on the insults, great.
look, if you want to claim that moreno, skrtel, mignolet, leiva, allen and ibe were all key players, and that i'm "incredibly thick" and "crying" for not thinking so, have at it. but i don't need to argue my point any further, i think everyone here can see that you're talking nonsense.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread has taken a seemingly predictable turn.
Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
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At least they both respect each other and the teams they manage. Pep has always been very complimentary about Klopp and the team and vice versa.
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True.
I personally would be happy to have either as manager of the club I support.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
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I gave you the list. As I said before your strategy here is a stupid one. You want me to list the players, you then say they're not key players, which is ridiculous. Just because they weren't good enough doesnt mean they weren't key players at the time.
As I said before, sold basically the whole team, bought new players for £90m net, went from no hopers to CL and PL champions.
An outstanding achievement no matter how much you cry about it.
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ok, so your strategy is to double down on the insults, great.
look, if you want to claim that moreno, skrtel, mignolet, leiva, allen and ibe were all key players, and that i'm "incredibly thick" and "crying" for not thinking so, have at it. but i don't need to argue my point any further, i think everyone here can see that you're talking nonsense.
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No no, I'm saying you're crying due to the crying you did on an article last week about the nasty Liverpool fans having the audacity to post a negative comment in relation to United despite your posting history showing you do the exact same in regards to Liverpool.
I'm claiming you're thick as you've just done what I said you would do. You're claiming because players weren't good enough they weren't key players when that is a stupid way to look at things, considering they were in fact key players, for the poor team we had at the time. Klopp then sold them and bought new ones, for £90m net and went on to win the PL and CL. An outstanding achievement.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread has taken a seemingly predictable turn.
Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
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At least they both respect each other and the teams they manage. Pep has always been very complimentary about Klopp and the team and vice versa.
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True.
I personally would be happy to have either as manager of the club I support.
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Agree.
posted on 2/7/20
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posted on 2/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 4 minutes ago
He obviously doesn't need to do it but would love to see what Pep could do if he took over a project club in the way Klopp has. Not sure who would be closest to us or Dortmund today, maybe Arsenal.
Would be interesting to see.
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That will always be the question with Pep. Every team he has managed has had one of the top 2 squads in the league when he took over. And he has had the money to further strengthen.
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Not only that, but every time he's had a problem at City, he's solved it with his chequebook.
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Well, they did win the league playing sparkling football with Fabian Delph at full-back when the expensive defenders got injured, to be fair. Otherwise you're probably more or less right.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 38 minutes ago
I do think some Liverpool fans underplay just how much money is involved with their success, particularly when discussing it with Spurs fans.
But maybe that's just a bit of wummery.
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Everyone does to an extent tbh. It’s less money as such but more just the importance of players. Ultimately it’s them that win trophies.
posted on 2/7/20
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
This thread has taken a seemingly predictable turn.
Gone from discussing arguably the two best managers in football today to a discussion whereby posters seem intent on suggesting that, in rating one above the other, the “other” isn’t really that good.
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At least they both respect each other and the teams they manage. Pep has always been very complimentary about Klopp and the team and vice versa.
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True.
I personally would be happy to have either as manager of the club I support.
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Agree.
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Agree with that all of that too.
posted on 2/7/20
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posted on 2/7/20
Clockwork Red (U4892)
Fair point
I think it's what irritates me most about Pep.
I have no doubt he could take an untested kid and get them playing well in the first team, quickly.
But he seems unwilling to take the gamble at City.
posted on 2/7/20
Hasn’t needed to really tbh, I’d argue Zinchenko, particularly playing him at left back, could fall into that bracket.
posted on 2/7/20
One thing Pep definitely has over Klopp is sustaining a period of success over several seasons.
He had 4 consecutive good years at Barca, 3 straight at Bayern and now at least 2 in a row at City (maybe 3 depending on how this season goes).
Klopp has only ever managed 2-consecutive good seasons.
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