Was thinking this morning not just about this season but the time under Bielsa over last 2 years.
In life and football you don't always get what you deserve, but for this group of players and coaching staff the way they have worked so hard and taken on board everything Bielsa has taught them they truly would deserve a promotion.
I think especially of players like Phillips,Klich, Cooper who have improved so much and would love to see them and others show what they can do at the next level.
I think they can do it as Faith has said if they can produce the same performances in these last 5 games that they have produced for most of that 2 years I feel we#ll get the points needed to get this done.
Faith, agree.. I don’t think it’s exclusive to Leeds fans though.
A lot of football fans see the grass is greener else where!
Last week alone a poster on here said “forget about auto’s, we don’t win enough games”.. which I found odd because we’ve won far more games than anybody else. We’ve been top two for two years now, barring the end of last season where we third for a month!
Mad how even the most informative posters, intelligent people mostly, look at other teams and think they are better, whether that be at recruiting, finishing chances, or whatever...
A poster quoted a list of players Brentford have made a profit on to underline their amazing recruitment! But failed to see that if we had bought players and sold them on there would be outcry! - Brentford did what did with Roofe x 10. Then the same poster complained we sold Roofe?
it's called being 'fickle'
you're spot on Faith
It's just football fans. You can go away from home and get battered, the opposition miss chance after chance, you sneak one totally against the run of play and it's the 'perfect away performance', 'proud of the gutsy performance', 'fantastic rearguard effort'. Same game when the opposition strikers have their shooting boots on, you lose 5-0 and it's 'embarrassing shambles'
Two potential reasons for this phenomenon:
1. A lot of fans may love the game, but actually have little appreciation of what it is they are actually watching and everything is binary based on the result
2. Emotional hijack. Euphoria or extreme disappointment masks clarity on what actually happened
I think it's exaggerated with us because we've clearly been inefficient in taking chances - and you can argue that you're not the better side if don't take them - but that's about individuals not the team.
The one thing we are is consistent in is our performances. The stats week after week say the same thing. The difference is whether we take our chances or the opponent takes theirs. Sure sometimes we play better than others, but the differences between our good runs and bad runs are the unplannable moments of brilliance or mistakes by us and the opposition.
You can't control them other than picking/buying players that do more of one and less of the other.
What you control, and how coaches view the game, is giving your team more opportunities to score and the opposition less - which is what we do week after week after week.
It's why many other managers and people within the game said we were the best side in the league last year and why we are again this year. But the best sides don't always win, and that's something people struggle to get their heads round.
Amazing Reading beat Luton 5-0 away from home and we could not beat Luton at home ! Funny old game.
Not at all. Luton has one game plan against us and a different, more risky, one against Reading.
They had also played us the week before playing Reading, and most teams lose their next game after playing us
Football is a funny old game but it’s also dependent upon how teams perceive the opposition and their goal for the match
.. that’s certainly true but also look at the stats of our game against luton and reading’s, and it show’s how score lines are rarely a true reflection of the game.
We beat Fulham 3-0 with 11 shots and 5 on target. Drew 1-1 with Luton with 23 shots and 9 on target
5 stars from me, great article.
Fans will always be emotional and irrational depending on the scoreline. But I do think part of it at this point is that no one cares if we play well, it's just about the result. Early season you want to see us perform and play well, but with 5 games to go, we just want a win.
How many times have we seen that story under Bielsa now? Play well, dominate the game, create loads of chances, concede our only shot on target and lose/draw the game. People are just sick of saying we deserved to win whenever we lose a game. We know that we will be the better team in 90% of our games, just want to see players taking their chances now.
Decent article but don’t agree with the Luton performance being better than the Blackburn in all aspects.
We defended terribly yesterday in the first half -
Allowed a slow 7ft striker to go through the middle for a one on one.
Made poor decisions In our own half eg Harrison dribbling the ball across his own box and constantly giving the ball away in our own half for 20 minutes period after we went 1-up and failed to clear our lines many times.
They also hit the post - caused us far more problems in 45 mins than Luton did in 90.
For me The second half yesterday was our best half since coming back form the break and we drew it 1-1. We controlled the game and Blackburn didn’t have a sniff apart from the free kick - great goal.
One major difference yesterday was we simply got the breaks. You need some luck and yesterday we got it -
Klich fouled their player for the opening goal. Kicks the standing leg of the player trying to clear the ball. 100% foul.
Alioski stood in an offside position ducks out of way of Klich shot. Lucky not to be given offside.
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Just looked at the Luton/Reading stats, how does one team have 62% possession yet only manage 5 shots and only one of those on target losing five nil to a team that has 38% possession getting away with 16 shots, ten of which are on target?
Got to take into account the quality of the opposition. Luton felt a cheap 2 pts to throw away. Well happy to record a 2 goal win at Blackburn. Looking forward to the Brentford game on Tuesday now.
Kebab, the Blackburn defender is hassled by Klich, completely misses the ball and this causes him to fall over. No foul but I can see how it might have been given. Blackburn given a free kick in an advantageous position leading to their goal when no foul was committed. We have two players booked in the first half, they committed foul after foul no booking, player dives in the penalty area, simulation, no booking, goal keeper commits foul as last defender and remains on pitch.
Really don't think we rode our luck.
Ref bottled it yesterday and the supposed foul for the free kick which lead to their goal was never a foul.
Agree performance against Blackburn was better overall. Too many individual performances were poor against Luton.
On another note do we have to sign Costa? Its looking a poor deal at the moment. Prefer Alioski on the wing
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Kebab, the Blackburn defender is hassled by Klich, completely misses the ball and this causes him to fall over. No foul but I can see how it might have been given. Blackburn given a free kick in an advantageous position leading to their goal when no foul was committed. We have two players booked in the first half, they committed foul after foul no booking, player dives in the penalty area, simulation, no booking, goal keeper commits foul as last defender and remains on pitch.
Really don't think we rode our luck.
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Watch it again. Klich gets zero ball has his hands on the player and kicks his standing leg causing the player to become off balance and miss the ball. It’s a foul pure and simple
Their free kick goal - Phillips has not made an attempt to play the ball. He’s jumped turned his back into the player and I think it was a very good spot from the referee. One of his few good decisions.
Agree and already put on another thread about the referees poor performance in general and Walton should have walked for no attempt at playing the ball and being last man. The game was nigh on already won though at this stage Also felt Ayling booking was harsh and their centre half got away with pulling bamford back on the right touch line. He also incorrectly over ruled his linesman on a corner decision which went against us.
However it’s goals that change games. We were poor first 30 minutes yesterday and yet were ahead courtesy of a very poor miss from the referee.
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posted 4 minutes ago
Ref bottled it yesterday and the supposed foul for the free kick which lead to their goal was never a foul.
Agree performance against Blackburn was better overall. Too many individual performances were poor against Luton.
On another note do we have to sign Costa? Its looking a poor deal at the moment. Prefer Alioski on the wing
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Regarding the signing of Costa, I'm on the fence. The guy has amazing ball skills and has both created and assisted goals but I'm not convinced he feels like a Leeds player. Not sure what those indefinable qualities are but he just seems a bit on the edge of things.
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posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ref bottled it yesterday and the supposed foul for the free kick which lead to their goal was never a foul.
Agree performance against Blackburn was better overall. Too many individual performances were poor against Luton.
On another note do we have to sign Costa? Its looking a poor deal at the moment. Prefer Alioski on the wing
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Regarding the signing of Costa, I'm on the fence. The guy has amazing ball skills and has both created and assisted goals but I'm not convinced he feels like a Leeds player. Not sure what those indefinable qualities are but he just seems a bit on the edge of things.
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* I meant 'scored and assisted goals'
I agree with Kabab, what I saw to me it was a foul from Klitch!..
And the Ref should have seen it from where he was, that was a bit of the luck people always seem to moan about us not getting!..
I think we also need to get ale into consideration how well the luton keeper played.
He was class and easily kept them in it all by himself.
"I think we also need to get ale into consideration how well the luton keeper played.
He was class and easily kept them in it all by himself."
Yep, he had a Wtf game, he was brilliant!..
He either didn't play yesterday or he had a Kiko day..
I don’t think many people realise how unfair football is as a sport. There isn’t a sport I can think of that allows the worst team to win as often as football.
It’s quite common for the result to not relate to the performance. But it’s quite clear that despite this people’s views on the performance are moulded by the score line more than their viewing of the game.
I get that this is probably effected by emotions as much as anything.
Also thought the ref was shocking. Can’t believe he didn’t give a foul against Klich for the first goal. Can’t believe he gave a free kick against Phillips for their goal. Can’t believe Ayling got booked and they got away with so many fouls without getting booked. Thought the yellow for the keeper was right decision though.
i though the klich foul was 50:50, it was hard to see whether he fouled him or I or not but I was surprised to not see it given - didn’t really see the player complain much though - more his team mates.
Inconsistent refereeing for me which drives people crazy. Called minor fouls and did not allow advantage many times. First goal was a foul by Klich for me.
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comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ref bottled it yesterday and the supposed foul for the free kick which lead to their goal was never a foul.
Agree performance against Blackburn was better overall. Too many individual performances were poor against Luton.
On another note do we have to sign Costa? Its looking a poor deal at the moment. Prefer Alioski on the wing
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Regarding the signing of Costa, I'm on the fence. The guy has amazing ball skills and has both created and assisted goals but I'm not convinced he feels like a Leeds player. Not sure what those indefinable qualities are but he just seems a bit on the edge of things.
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agreed
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posted on 5/7/20
Was thinking this morning not just about this season but the time under Bielsa over last 2 years.
In life and football you don't always get what you deserve, but for this group of players and coaching staff the way they have worked so hard and taken on board everything Bielsa has taught them they truly would deserve a promotion.
I think especially of players like Phillips,Klich, Cooper who have improved so much and would love to see them and others show what they can do at the next level.
I think they can do it as Faith has said if they can produce the same performances in these last 5 games that they have produced for most of that 2 years I feel we#ll get the points needed to get this done.
posted on 5/7/20
Faith, agree.. I don’t think it’s exclusive to Leeds fans though.
A lot of football fans see the grass is greener else where!
Last week alone a poster on here said “forget about auto’s, we don’t win enough games”.. which I found odd because we’ve won far more games than anybody else. We’ve been top two for two years now, barring the end of last season where we third for a month!
Mad how even the most informative posters, intelligent people mostly, look at other teams and think they are better, whether that be at recruiting, finishing chances, or whatever...
A poster quoted a list of players Brentford have made a profit on to underline their amazing recruitment! But failed to see that if we had bought players and sold them on there would be outcry! - Brentford did what did with Roofe x 10. Then the same poster complained we sold Roofe?
posted on 5/7/20
it's called being 'fickle'
posted on 5/7/20
you're spot on Faith
It's just football fans. You can go away from home and get battered, the opposition miss chance after chance, you sneak one totally against the run of play and it's the 'perfect away performance', 'proud of the gutsy performance', 'fantastic rearguard effort'. Same game when the opposition strikers have their shooting boots on, you lose 5-0 and it's 'embarrassing shambles'
Two potential reasons for this phenomenon:
1. A lot of fans may love the game, but actually have little appreciation of what it is they are actually watching and everything is binary based on the result
2. Emotional hijack. Euphoria or extreme disappointment masks clarity on what actually happened
I think it's exaggerated with us because we've clearly been inefficient in taking chances - and you can argue that you're not the better side if don't take them - but that's about individuals not the team.
The one thing we are is consistent in is our performances. The stats week after week say the same thing. The difference is whether we take our chances or the opponent takes theirs. Sure sometimes we play better than others, but the differences between our good runs and bad runs are the unplannable moments of brilliance or mistakes by us and the opposition.
You can't control them other than picking/buying players that do more of one and less of the other.
What you control, and how coaches view the game, is giving your team more opportunities to score and the opposition less - which is what we do week after week after week.
It's why many other managers and people within the game said we were the best side in the league last year and why we are again this year. But the best sides don't always win, and that's something people struggle to get their heads round.
posted on 5/7/20
Amazing Reading beat Luton 5-0 away from home and we could not beat Luton at home ! Funny old game.
posted on 5/7/20
Not at all. Luton has one game plan against us and a different, more risky, one against Reading.
They had also played us the week before playing Reading, and most teams lose their next game after playing us
Football is a funny old game but it’s also dependent upon how teams perceive the opposition and their goal for the match
posted on 5/7/20
.. that’s certainly true but also look at the stats of our game against luton and reading’s, and it show’s how score lines are rarely a true reflection of the game.
We beat Fulham 3-0 with 11 shots and 5 on target. Drew 1-1 with Luton with 23 shots and 9 on target
posted on 5/7/20
5 stars from me, great article.
Fans will always be emotional and irrational depending on the scoreline. But I do think part of it at this point is that no one cares if we play well, it's just about the result. Early season you want to see us perform and play well, but with 5 games to go, we just want a win.
How many times have we seen that story under Bielsa now? Play well, dominate the game, create loads of chances, concede our only shot on target and lose/draw the game. People are just sick of saying we deserved to win whenever we lose a game. We know that we will be the better team in 90% of our games, just want to see players taking their chances now.
posted on 5/7/20
Decent article but don’t agree with the Luton performance being better than the Blackburn in all aspects.
We defended terribly yesterday in the first half -
Allowed a slow 7ft striker to go through the middle for a one on one.
Made poor decisions In our own half eg Harrison dribbling the ball across his own box and constantly giving the ball away in our own half for 20 minutes period after we went 1-up and failed to clear our lines many times.
They also hit the post - caused us far more problems in 45 mins than Luton did in 90.
For me The second half yesterday was our best half since coming back form the break and we drew it 1-1. We controlled the game and Blackburn didn’t have a sniff apart from the free kick - great goal.
One major difference yesterday was we simply got the breaks. You need some luck and yesterday we got it -
Klich fouled their player for the opening goal. Kicks the standing leg of the player trying to clear the ball. 100% foul.
Alioski stood in an offside position ducks out of way of Klich shot. Lucky not to be given offside.
posted on 5/7/20
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posted on 5/7/20
Just looked at the Luton/Reading stats, how does one team have 62% possession yet only manage 5 shots and only one of those on target losing five nil to a team that has 38% possession getting away with 16 shots, ten of which are on target?
posted on 5/7/20
Got to take into account the quality of the opposition. Luton felt a cheap 2 pts to throw away. Well happy to record a 2 goal win at Blackburn. Looking forward to the Brentford game on Tuesday now.
posted on 5/7/20
Kebab, the Blackburn defender is hassled by Klich, completely misses the ball and this causes him to fall over. No foul but I can see how it might have been given. Blackburn given a free kick in an advantageous position leading to their goal when no foul was committed. We have two players booked in the first half, they committed foul after foul no booking, player dives in the penalty area, simulation, no booking, goal keeper commits foul as last defender and remains on pitch.
Really don't think we rode our luck.
posted on 5/7/20
Ref bottled it yesterday and the supposed foul for the free kick which lead to their goal was never a foul.
Agree performance against Blackburn was better overall. Too many individual performances were poor against Luton.
On another note do we have to sign Costa? Its looking a poor deal at the moment. Prefer Alioski on the wing
posted on 5/7/20
comment by Elsbels - OnOnOn (U21658)
posted 24 minutes ago
Kebab, the Blackburn defender is hassled by Klich, completely misses the ball and this causes him to fall over. No foul but I can see how it might have been given. Blackburn given a free kick in an advantageous position leading to their goal when no foul was committed. We have two players booked in the first half, they committed foul after foul no booking, player dives in the penalty area, simulation, no booking, goal keeper commits foul as last defender and remains on pitch.
Really don't think we rode our luck.
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Watch it again. Klich gets zero ball has his hands on the player and kicks his standing leg causing the player to become off balance and miss the ball. It’s a foul pure and simple
Their free kick goal - Phillips has not made an attempt to play the ball. He’s jumped turned his back into the player and I think it was a very good spot from the referee. One of his few good decisions.
Agree and already put on another thread about the referees poor performance in general and Walton should have walked for no attempt at playing the ball and being last man. The game was nigh on already won though at this stage Also felt Ayling booking was harsh and their centre half got away with pulling bamford back on the right touch line. He also incorrectly over ruled his linesman on a corner decision which went against us.
However it’s goals that change games. We were poor first 30 minutes yesterday and yet were ahead courtesy of a very poor miss from the referee.
posted on 5/7/20
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ref bottled it yesterday and the supposed foul for the free kick which lead to their goal was never a foul.
Agree performance against Blackburn was better overall. Too many individual performances were poor against Luton.
On another note do we have to sign Costa? Its looking a poor deal at the moment. Prefer Alioski on the wing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Regarding the signing of Costa, I'm on the fence. The guy has amazing ball skills and has both created and assisted goals but I'm not convinced he feels like a Leeds player. Not sure what those indefinable qualities are but he just seems a bit on the edge of things.
posted on 5/7/20
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ref bottled it yesterday and the supposed foul for the free kick which lead to their goal was never a foul.
Agree performance against Blackburn was better overall. Too many individual performances were poor against Luton.
On another note do we have to sign Costa? Its looking a poor deal at the moment. Prefer Alioski on the wing
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Regarding the signing of Costa, I'm on the fence. The guy has amazing ball skills and has both created and assisted goals but I'm not convinced he feels like a Leeds player. Not sure what those indefinable qualities are but he just seems a bit on the edge of things.
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* I meant 'scored and assisted goals'
posted on 5/7/20
I agree with Kabab, what I saw to me it was a foul from Klitch!..
And the Ref should have seen it from where he was, that was a bit of the luck people always seem to moan about us not getting!..
posted on 5/7/20
I think we also need to get ale into consideration how well the luton keeper played.
He was class and easily kept them in it all by himself.
posted on 5/7/20
"I think we also need to get ale into consideration how well the luton keeper played.
He was class and easily kept them in it all by himself."
Yep, he had a Wtf game, he was brilliant!..
He either didn't play yesterday or he had a Kiko day..
posted on 5/7/20
I don’t think many people realise how unfair football is as a sport. There isn’t a sport I can think of that allows the worst team to win as often as football.
It’s quite common for the result to not relate to the performance. But it’s quite clear that despite this people’s views on the performance are moulded by the score line more than their viewing of the game.
I get that this is probably effected by emotions as much as anything.
Also thought the ref was shocking. Can’t believe he didn’t give a foul against Klich for the first goal. Can’t believe he gave a free kick against Phillips for their goal. Can’t believe Ayling got booked and they got away with so many fouls without getting booked. Thought the yellow for the keeper was right decision though.
posted on 5/7/20
i though the klich foul was 50:50, it was hard to see whether he fouled him or I or not but I was surprised to not see it given - didn’t really see the player complain much though - more his team mates.
posted on 5/7/20
Inconsistent refereeing for me which drives people crazy. Called minor fouls and did not allow advantage many times. First goal was a foul by Klich for me.
posted on 6/7/20
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 20 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Outwood White (U9610)
posted 4 minutes ago
Ref bottled it yesterday and the supposed foul for the free kick which lead to their goal was never a foul.
Agree performance against Blackburn was better overall. Too many individual performances were poor against Luton.
On another note do we have to sign Costa? Its looking a poor deal at the moment. Prefer Alioski on the wing
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Regarding the signing of Costa, I'm on the fence. The guy has amazing ball skills and has both created and assisted goals but I'm not convinced he feels like a Leeds player. Not sure what those indefinable qualities are but he just seems a bit on the edge of things.
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agreed
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