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posted on 7/7/20

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 40 seconds ago
Liverpool should be 8 points behind Man City and Man Utd should be 4 points Liverpool based on domination. That doesn’t take into account the many wrong calls by refs this season.
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the big question is, will we win this league next season?

https://understat.com/league/EPL

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That table is hilarious. Look at united.
Right number of goals against and only 1.5 extra goals for but somehow picking up almost 7 extra points. How does that happen?!
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What is that? How do they work it out?

Looks bizarre!

posted on 7/7/20

The big thing, for me, about this season is that we won plenty of points against the big clubs. I've always said that it is easier to fix the issue of how to beat the smaller clubs... as we've now seen with Bruno and Pogba here to help dismantle them. So I am pretty hopeful about next season... A few more good signings and we could compete (without being close to favourites).

We are also still in two cups and just generally feel like we are going in the right direction. Ole was accused of only have a counter attack style, but now he is shaping his squad, more styles and ideas are emerging.

If he can win a cup this season or next, I think the belief that he can push us all the way will come for the fans and players alike.

To sum up, it feels good to be a UTD fan right now.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 37 minutes ago
You're certainly on the right track. Nobody can deny you've got some good players and at good ages too!

However overall you are clearly a fair way off the pace city and us can produce. De gea looks like he needs replacing. You need a CB. Don't think Shaw is anything special and AWB is good but not European elite standard and don't think he ever will be. Pogba might come good but is he just inconsistent? Fernandez looks the business but what happens if he has a 10-15 game bad patch or injury which can happen. Martial flatters to deceive and again looks like he might never become the elite player he threatened to be. Rashford I think is a top player and Greenwood looks like one too but is a few years off and we've all seen young players like him drift away or have an injury that ruins them. The rest of your players are fairly average.

Feels like you could go either way at the minute.
Wouldn't be surprised to see you back up there soon with the buying power you have though. 3 top signings going right in a row has a huge impact on a team.
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So in other words it could go either way but decided to concentrate on the negatives and what could go wrong.
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Not sure that is fair. Playing devils advocate considering the talk was about how close you were to the top. There are plenty of good things about you. My main point was that those good things in comparison to us and City aren't equal. So I mention Shaw and AWB in comparison to Trent and Robertson. I say about Pogba being inconsistent and Bruno being new in comparison to the consistent quality Citys midfield show.

It wasn't an attack and I ultimately said you are on the right track which I dont think many United fans would go beyond.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Clockwork Red (U4892)

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the big question is, will we win this league next season?

https://understat.com/league/EPL

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Expectations are high.
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they really should be, we're only 12 xp off the top this year, bruno for a full season should give us an extra 6xg (roughly 9 xp), then a full season from both pogba and greenwood should add an extra 10xg (12-15xp), which i think would make us x winners by roughly 10xp (more if the refs do their job properly).

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Winston (U16525)

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What is that? How do they work it out?

Looks bizarre!
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science, b!tch.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)

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What is that? How do they work it out?

Looks bizarre!
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science, b!tch.
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posted on 7/7/20

I must have asked Hafi a dozen times who is doing the expecting. He's never answered and tbh I think understat is actually his website.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 37 minutes ago
You're certainly on the right track. Nobody can deny you've got some good players and at good ages too!

However overall you are clearly a fair way off the pace city and us can produce. De gea looks like he needs replacing. You need a CB. Don't think Shaw is anything special and AWB is good but not European elite standard and don't think he ever will be. Pogba might come good but is he just inconsistent? Fernandez looks the business but what happens if he has a 10-15 game bad patch or injury which can happen. Martial flatters to deceive and again looks like he might never become the elite player he threatened to be. Rashford I think is a top player and Greenwood looks like one too but is a few years off and we've all seen young players like him drift away or have an injury that ruins them. The rest of your players are fairly average.

Feels like you could go either way at the minute.
Wouldn't be surprised to see you back up there soon with the buying power you have though. 3 top signings going right in a row has a huge impact on a team.
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So in other words it could go either way but decided to concentrate on the negatives and what could go wrong.
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Not sure that is fair. Playing devils advocate considering the talk was about how close you were to the top. There are plenty of good things about you. My main point was that those good things in comparison to us and City aren't equal. So I mention Shaw and AWB in comparison to Trent and Robertson. I say about Pogba being inconsistent and Bruno being new in comparison to the consistent quality Citys midfield show.

It wasn't an attack and I ultimately said you are on the right track which I dont think many United fans would go beyond.
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That’s fair enough. Don’t agree with the parts on Martial and AWB though. Think they are more than good enough.

posted on 7/7/20

It's all very volatile at the moment. People's confidence is growing game by game but the second points are dropped it will be all doom and gloom again.
The feeling of this summer will ultimately be determined by top 4. If we miss out there will be plenty of Ole out sentiment doing the rounds all summer

posted on 7/7/20

Man City's appeal decision on Monday is massive.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 37 minutes ago
You're certainly on the right track. Nobody can deny you've got some good players and at good ages too!

However overall you are clearly a fair way off the pace city and us can produce. De gea looks like he needs replacing. You need a CB. Don't think Shaw is anything special and AWB is good but not European elite standard and don't think he ever will be. Pogba might come good but is he just inconsistent? Fernandez looks the business but what happens if he has a 10-15 game bad patch or injury which can happen. Martial flatters to deceive and again looks like he might never become the elite player he threatened to be. Rashford I think is a top player and Greenwood looks like one too but is a few years off and we've all seen young players like him drift away or have an injury that ruins them. The rest of your players are fairly average.

Feels like you could go either way at the minute.
Wouldn't be surprised to see you back up there soon with the buying power you have though. 3 top signings going right in a row has a huge impact on a team.
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So in other words it could go either way but decided to concentrate on the negatives and what could go wrong.
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Not sure that is fair. Playing devils advocate considering the talk was about how close you were to the top. There are plenty of good things about you. My main point was that those good things in comparison to us and City aren't equal. So I mention Shaw and AWB in comparison to Trent and Robertson. I say about Pogba being inconsistent and Bruno being new in comparison to the consistent quality Citys midfield show.

It wasn't an attack and I ultimately said you are on the right track which I dont think many United fans would go beyond.
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That’s fair enough. Don’t agree with the parts on Martial and AWB though. Think they are more than good enough.
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Good enough I'd agree with but don't see Martial ever being considered one of the best in Europe personally. And same for AWB. Could be wrong of course!

posted on 7/7/20

comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 37 minutes ago
You're certainly on the right track. Nobody can deny you've got some good players and at good ages too!

However overall you are clearly a fair way off the pace city and us can produce. De gea looks like he needs replacing. You need a CB. Don't think Shaw is anything special and AWB is good but not European elite standard and don't think he ever will be. Pogba might come good but is he just inconsistent? Fernandez looks the business but what happens if he has a 10-15 game bad patch or injury which can happen. Martial flatters to deceive and again looks like he might never become the elite player he threatened to be. Rashford I think is a top player and Greenwood looks like one too but is a few years off and we've all seen young players like him drift away or have an injury that ruins them. The rest of your players are fairly average.

Feels like you could go either way at the minute.
Wouldn't be surprised to see you back up there soon with the buying power you have though. 3 top signings going right in a row has a huge impact on a team.
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So in other words it could go either way but decided to concentrate on the negatives and what could go wrong.
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Not sure that is fair. Playing devils advocate considering the talk was about how close you were to the top. There are plenty of good things about you. My main point was that those good things in comparison to us and City aren't equal. So I mention Shaw and AWB in comparison to Trent and Robertson. I say about Pogba being inconsistent and Bruno being new in comparison to the consistent quality Citys midfield show.

It wasn't an attack and I ultimately said you are on the right track which I dont think many United fans would go beyond.
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That’s fair enough. Don’t agree with the parts on Martial and AWB though. Think they are more than good enough.
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Good enough I'd agree with but don't see Martial ever being considered one of the best in Europe personally. And same for AWB. Could be wrong of course!
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i dunno.. even JC said that AWB is the best tackling RB in the world.. and for me thats the important part.

posted on 7/7/20

Fair OP Dunc other than the City walked the league last season bit. That was the season before. Last season they stumbled over the line.

posted on 7/7/20

They won their last 14 games.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by *Robbing Hoody - tell me I can't and I'll show you I can (U6374)
posted 3 minutes ago
They won their last 14 games.
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Had they drew just one of them then you would have won the league. So Duncs comment that they walked the league was incorrect.

posted on 7/7/20

No worse than saying they stumbled but hey ho.

posted on 7/7/20

Other than last season, the team that took the lead and opened up a gap has managed to win the title in the past few years in then PL.

I still think next season will have a top two of Liverpool and City. I also think United and Chelsea will make up the rest of the top 4.

United have made progress. The key is to get better players in. Where as City had a system set up for Pep and (other than buying a whole new defence and 2 GKs), Klopp had to overhaul the whole squad. How many players are still in the starting 11 from his time starting there, let alone the whole squad? We're still 2 years away from a title challenge. And that's if we make the right signings and have luck with injuries. I don't think Liverpool have had any major crisis of injuries in the past few years. I'd also say their drop off from the first 11 isn't as bad as ours. Whereas theirs may be a level or two below, ours is several. So we need to improve the first 11 and the squad still.

Personally, I see City investing in their defence and winning next season. Especially if they have no CL.

On Ole, I think he's had to tactically flexible due injuries and not getting all he needed. We've played different ways and have changed systems but now we're seeing what he wanted once he had the players available and those who now can do what he wants. AWB has added more going forward. Like Shaw has improved and getting better tactically (look up positions he has been taking up in matches recently, that's down to tactics and coaching). Martial has been important in the 9 role. He adds more to it than Lukaku did and I think a lot of the Liverpool fans are underrating his contribution. I'd say he'd take Firminho's place in their front 3 if he was a Liverpool player. Again that's also down to coaching.

There have been quite a few on here who said we should judge Ole once he gets the players he needed as we knew the team wasn't up to scratch. Now that he has, we're seeing what many who asked for patience and understood it would be an up and down season seeing their patience pay off right now. Things may change in the future and this may all blow up, but things do look like they're on the right track.

posted on 7/7/20

With a bit of luck, United can win the title next year.
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RDD... It would be amazing if they did what with a clueless Championship manager and his coaching staff.

posted on 7/7/20

Regarding Martial I’m not sure there is that many strikers who would be on 20 goals for the season in this side.

AWB hasn’t always been great going forward but he’s really starting improve in that are and is a top defender.

His ball to Rashford at the weekend that was marginally offside was quality.

comment by Prem (U7618)

posted on 7/7/20

AWB has improved post restart. He’s started chipping in with a few assists. His crossing has got better. Just needs more consistency. Defensively he’s unplayable at times when he’s in beast mode.

Once he starts chipping in with a few goals, I’ll be more than happy with him. A fair target for him would be 5 - 8 goals next season.

posted on 7/7/20

comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 17 seconds ago
AWB has improved post restart. He’s started chipping in with a few assists. His crossing has got better. Just needs more consistency. Defensively he’s unplayable at times when he’s in beast mode.

Once he starts chipping in with a few goals, I’ll be more than happy with him. A fair target for him would be 5 - 8 goals next season.
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Goals from full backs? I don’t think they are necessary. Assists yes but not goals.

comment by Prem (U7618)

posted on 7/7/20

Martial may never be the world class striker that some perceive him to be eventually. But he can be a very proficient striker. He’s been coached by a former striker who’s pushing him to be more deadly in the box. Of course he can also be dangerous outside of the box too, but he’ll be the type of attacker getting plenty of chances due to to the supply line. So his goal scoring techniques will vary.

Just glad that he is happy playing for this team. That’s when you can get the real Martial.

posted on 7/7/20

With the right players behind him Martial can be deadly. Great finisher.

comment by Prem (U7618)

posted on 7/7/20

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Prem (U7618)
posted 17 seconds ago
AWB has improved post restart. He’s started chipping in with a few assists. His crossing has got better. Just needs more consistency. Defensively he’s unplayable at times when he’s in beast mode.

Once he starts chipping in with a few goals, I’ll be more than happy with him. A fair target for him would be 5 - 8 goals next season.
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Goals from full backs? I don’t think they are necessary. Assists yes but not goals.
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The more goals from attacking players as a unit the better. I know it’s been a long while since we’ve had a full back who could also score a few. But it would be a nice change.

comment by Prem (U7618)

posted on 7/7/20

Martial is flourishing in his role with the players he has around him. Also pleased that he has created a bond with Bruno. Both players are forming a great understanding on the pitch.

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