He’s french and he plays for Arsenal, recipe for a bad attitude these days.
But that's just it, he's not been "playing" for a top side has he. Kid had a great season last season then this one gets thrown by the wayside to accommodate putting up with Ozil's crap in the team again. Mainly because Emery bottles telling his twitter disciples to feck off. So Guen got P'd and rightly so IMO, I think most of us would have done. Especially went the team got worse as a result. Then a new manager comes in and rather then letting him play. Dude jumps STRAIGHT on his case like he's some super huge problem and the root of Arsenal's demise. Insult to injury WHILST keeping zil in the team as it falls even further. Then to top it all, some standard ops sports bantz spat. Gets blown out of all proportion (anyone would think he went into the tunnel and kicked the dude in the nuts or something) and Guen is demonised as some notorious footy villain.
All of this after he BUSTED HIS ASS for this club last season. Benched to accommodate Ozil, then instantly targeted by Arteta, when Guendouzi has never been the team's problem. Just a player who needs to do some growing but gives us his all EVERY time he plays. We'll lose Guendouzi and regret it unless Arteta can accept that the only way forward through this (and to get Guen to where he needs to grow to) is to do it with the kid PLAYING. Having been a player, he should know how rotten Guen was feeling and why before he even got here. Because I guarantee HE wouldn't have been happy at being left out of a side all season whilst a fellow MF put in Ozil's performances and his team tanked. Not a chance! So I don't know why he expects a naïve kid to like it or be handling it much better than Guen has. Arteta old enough to know better.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
He’s french and he plays for Arsenal, recipe for a bad attitude these days.
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These days?
Viera, Pires, Petit, Lauren, Nasri, Gallas and I've no doubt forgotten somebody too
Has a high ceiling imo, but not really done anything for us. Sell if we get a stupid offee
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
He’s french and he plays for Arsenal, recipe for a bad attitude these days.
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These days?
Viera, Pires, Petit, Lauren, Nasri, Gallas and I've no doubt forgotten somebody too
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Hence the "these days"...
Tu meke
If we'd reneg'd him whilst he was doing great last season and stood to get some good money, I'd still not like it but be way less P'd. See it as the double whammy for us. Future greatness is going out the door AND we ain't even gettin' paid. Whoever gets him is going to be laughing all the way to titles they lift together.
comment by RJC (U17308)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
He’s french and he plays for Arsenal, recipe for a bad attitude these days.
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These days?
Viera, Pires, Petit, Lauren, Nasri, Gallas and I've no doubt forgotten somebody too
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Hence the "these days"...
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Thought you meant these days as in the last few years. Not these days as in Wenger to now.
True I suppose but it not as though we needed the French players, to get the bad attitude in that recipe is it. They just added the sexy football that allowed us to get away with more. Pires or Henry doing their thing is a great way to stop 50k fans and cameras not notice Keown giving someone a whack.
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
Tu meke
If we'd reneg'd him whilst he was doing great last season and stood to get some good money, I'd still not like it but be way less P'd. See it as the double whammy for us. Future greatness is going out the door AND we ain't even gettin' paid. Whoever gets him is going to be laughing all the way to titles they lift together.
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Maybe.
Or maybe he's going to be a fecking idiot for the rest of his life. You can even see it in the way he plays. If he can't see this latest ploy is to try getting him to fix up, what is the point?
Guendouzi positioning is awful. He's too slow and dwells on the ball too often and passes backwards. There's been a lot of occasions we've messed up on counter attacks when he's been on the ball.
It's no shock we won 4 in a row without him (should have been 5)
Tu Meke
I just think it's one season too early to make that call. Especially given the added stresses of this season. Also the fact that I think he and Arteta starting off on such a bad footing, is about eighty percent Arteta's fault.
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You're talking as though, he had more of a negative influence last season than positive. Took him a fair few games last year before he was bossing MF here and there. He actually improved as the season went on. Overall his contribution was overwhelming positive and it was clear to all that staying healthy and playing, he was going to be something special and did have the extra something that COULD spell greatness. I don't remember anyone wanting him sold or moaning about his discipline off the pitch then. To the contrary, it was all "He must be kept, he's gonna be awesome."
He has too much spirit and fight for Arsenals midfield
Arteta dropped Ceballos, and told him (fairly publiclally) to get act together. The guy responded well, and is now not only pretty much an automatic starter, but could well either have his loan extended, or gain a permanent move.
Guendouzi has responded in completely the opposite way. TWICE. Yet some people, even those pee'd off about the Ozil situation, seem to think handing power to players who, in the words of Morrissey 'just haven't earned it yet, baby' would be the best thing for the club.
If their posts didn't make me laugh so much, I could really learn to hate some people here.
Seems to have a childlike bad attitude. He don’t score or assist. He is not a DM and his tackling is not great. So I am not sure what he offers other than energy.
I would sell for as much as possible and move on personally.
If we can shift him for decent money and get Ozil off the wages and perhaps Mustafi then we can start the rebuild in earnest.
comment by Lucas Northbank (U11643)
posted 21 minutes ago
Seems to have a childlike bad attitude. He don’t score or assist. He is not a DM and his tackling is not great. So I am not sure what he offers other than energy.
I would sell for as much as possible and move on personally.
If we can shift him for decent money and get Ozil off the wages and perhaps Mustafi then we can start the rebuild in earnest.
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Well said that man.
He's not that good, certainly not enough to be kicking off about not playing if that's the case.
He's a good ball carrier and given time and space can pick a pass but is he any better than Winks or even Joe Allen? I don't think so.
I just think it's one season too early to make that call. Especially given the added stresses of this season. Also the fact that I think he and Arteta starting off on such a bad footing, is about eighty percent Arteta's fault.
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As lex says, look at ceballos' response Vs guendouzi. Dani is having the best form of his season right now.
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 5 hours, 5 minutes ago
Arteta dropped Ceballos, and told him (fairly publiclally) to get act together. The guy responded well, and is now not only pretty much an automatic starter, but could well either have his loan extended, or gain a permanent move.
Guendouzi has responded in completely the opposite way. TWICE. Yet some people, even those pee'd off about the Ozil situation, seem to think handing power to players who, in the words of Morrissey 'just haven't earned it yet, baby' would be the best thing for the club.
If their posts didn't make me laugh so much, I could really learn to hate some people here.
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Am I the only one who has to scroll past WB2's comments? The ramblings of an OCD (Ozil Compulsive Disorder) madman.
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 7 hours, 57 minutes ago
Arteta dropped Ceballos, and told him (fairly publiclally) to get act together. The guy responded well, and is now not only pretty much an automatic starter, but could well either have his loan extended, or gain a permanent move.
Guendouzi has responded in completely the opposite way. TWICE. Yet some people, even those pee'd off about the Ozil situation, seem to think handing power to players who, in the words of Morrissey 'just haven't earned it yet, baby' would be the best thing for the club.
If their posts didn't make me laugh so much, I could really learn to hate some people here.
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Hopefully loan with option to buy at the end of next season at a fair price with some future performance related addons.
He still has to prove long term consistency and ability against top teams but looks the real deal lately.
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Seems to have a childlike bad attitude. He don’t score or assist. He is not a DM and his tackling is not great.
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Apart from these minor failings, Guendouzi is an outstanding talent!
Gendouzis former coach has also stated his attitude is really bad, but is extremely talented. What’s going to happen is that Gendouzi is going to end up as a journeymen because no coach wants this sort of personality around the team.
comment by Tu Meke - He'sGotRedHair! (U3732)
posted 1 day, 9 hours ago
I just think it's one season too early to make that call. Especially given the added stresses of this season. Also the fact that I think he and Arteta starting off on such a bad footing, is about eighty percent Arteta's fault.
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As lex says, look at ceballos' response Vs guendouzi. Dani is having the best form of his season right now.
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Ceballos wasn't here busting his ass for one season already, doing great, at times carrying this team. I'm not saying Guen earned the right to do what he likes. But last season he DID earn more respect/gametime. than he's been shown this one. From his perspective, he shows up, has a blinding year playing loads. Then for no apparent reason, other than deluded fanboys biyatching the Ozil must come back, he's benched. Barely gets a look in all season, whilst the team tanks. Then Arteta rocks up, clearly focused on only his TBE due to age bad points, with apparently absolutely NO consideration of all his good ones. As said before, WHILST tolerating weeks of Ozil's crap. The playing of Ozil for WEEKS first, is a huge factor in my thoughts on this. Since I see Guen as only having been out to accommodate returning Ozil for a 100% PREDICTIBLE sweet f a. And that having a direct impact on how he has behaved.
You guys are misunderstanding me as saying "Just put up with Guen's crap and let him do what he wants." When that's nowhere near it. What I'm saying is there's WAYS of dealing with people. And for this particular person this aint it! Disciplining a team, a "One size fits all" approach, is FLAWED! Because what works to get the best from one player, is/can be utterly counterproductive with another. Some players need a drill sergeant where others need a nanny. The key to team management is knowing which is which. JUST LIKE VIERA...
Guendouzi needs a nanny. So instead on selling him and letting a craptonne of future money walk out the door for another team to make. Arteta wants to stop feckin around playing drill sergeant! Especially since the drill sergeant he;s playing, didn't have the balls to yell at Ozil FIRST! It's bad enough we have a histioty of selling our best senior players. Now people want us to start flogging of our quality youngsters too. Hardly the way to go about building a bright future now is it.
What a load of crap. Guendouzi has never carried us. A few good performances, that's it.
- You're talking as if guendouzi has been frozen out from the start. He started the first 2 games after the restart. What did he do?
- It's honestly insane how you've managed to slip your ozil obsession into this discussion. Ozil has since been frozen out and you're still managing to biiitch about him.
- I take your point about managing different personalities but don't think it applies here. Guendouzi is at the very least an immature brat who needs to learn some discipline. You can literally see his ill discipline when he's playing. Maybe a change in his off the pitch attitude will help him on the pitch?
Also you managed to sneak Vieira's name in there, god knows for what reason though.
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posted on 8/7/20
He’s french and he plays for Arsenal, recipe for a bad attitude these days.
posted on 8/7/20
But that's just it, he's not been "playing" for a top side has he. Kid had a great season last season then this one gets thrown by the wayside to accommodate putting up with Ozil's crap in the team again. Mainly because Emery bottles telling his twitter disciples to feck off. So Guen got P'd and rightly so IMO, I think most of us would have done. Especially went the team got worse as a result. Then a new manager comes in and rather then letting him play. Dude jumps STRAIGHT on his case like he's some super huge problem and the root of Arsenal's demise. Insult to injury WHILST keeping zil in the team as it falls even further. Then to top it all, some standard ops sports bantz spat. Gets blown out of all proportion (anyone would think he went into the tunnel and kicked the dude in the nuts or something) and Guen is demonised as some notorious footy villain.
All of this after he BUSTED HIS ASS for this club last season. Benched to accommodate Ozil, then instantly targeted by Arteta, when Guendouzi has never been the team's problem. Just a player who needs to do some growing but gives us his all EVERY time he plays. We'll lose Guendouzi and regret it unless Arteta can accept that the only way forward through this (and to get Guen to where he needs to grow to) is to do it with the kid PLAYING. Having been a player, he should know how rotten Guen was feeling and why before he even got here. Because I guarantee HE wouldn't have been happy at being left out of a side all season whilst a fellow MF put in Ozil's performances and his team tanked. Not a chance! So I don't know why he expects a naïve kid to like it or be handling it much better than Guen has. Arteta old enough to know better.
posted on 8/7/20
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
He’s french and he plays for Arsenal, recipe for a bad attitude these days.
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These days?
Viera, Pires, Petit, Lauren, Nasri, Gallas and I've no doubt forgotten somebody too
posted on 8/7/20
Has a high ceiling imo, but not really done anything for us. Sell if we get a stupid offee
posted on 8/7/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
He’s french and he plays for Arsenal, recipe for a bad attitude these days.
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These days?
Viera, Pires, Petit, Lauren, Nasri, Gallas and I've no doubt forgotten somebody too
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Hence the "these days"...
posted on 8/7/20
Tu meke
If we'd reneg'd him whilst he was doing great last season and stood to get some good money, I'd still not like it but be way less P'd. See it as the double whammy for us. Future greatness is going out the door AND we ain't even gettin' paid. Whoever gets him is going to be laughing all the way to titles they lift together.
posted on 8/7/20
comment by RJC (U17308)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 10 minutes ago
He’s french and he plays for Arsenal, recipe for a bad attitude these days.
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These days?
Viera, Pires, Petit, Lauren, Nasri, Gallas and I've no doubt forgotten somebody too
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Hence the "these days"...
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Thought you meant these days as in the last few years. Not these days as in Wenger to now.
True I suppose but it not as though we needed the French players, to get the bad attitude in that recipe is it. They just added the sexy football that allowed us to get away with more. Pires or Henry doing their thing is a great way to stop 50k fans and cameras not notice Keown giving someone a whack.
posted on 9/7/20
comment by WB2 (Emery'll Get Me Killed) (U8276)
posted 1 hour, 50 minutes ago
Tu meke
If we'd reneg'd him whilst he was doing great last season and stood to get some good money, I'd still not like it but be way less P'd. See it as the double whammy for us. Future greatness is going out the door AND we ain't even gettin' paid. Whoever gets him is going to be laughing all the way to titles they lift together.
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Maybe.
Or maybe he's going to be a fecking idiot for the rest of his life. You can even see it in the way he plays. If he can't see this latest ploy is to try getting him to fix up, what is the point?
posted on 9/7/20
Guendouzi positioning is awful. He's too slow and dwells on the ball too often and passes backwards. There's been a lot of occasions we've messed up on counter attacks when he's been on the ball.
It's no shock we won 4 in a row without him (should have been 5)
posted on 9/7/20
Tu Meke
I just think it's one season too early to make that call. Especially given the added stresses of this season. Also the fact that I think he and Arteta starting off on such a bad footing, is about eighty percent Arteta's fault.
49
You're talking as though, he had more of a negative influence last season than positive. Took him a fair few games last year before he was bossing MF here and there. He actually improved as the season went on. Overall his contribution was overwhelming positive and it was clear to all that staying healthy and playing, he was going to be something special and did have the extra something that COULD spell greatness. I don't remember anyone wanting him sold or moaning about his discipline off the pitch then. To the contrary, it was all "He must be kept, he's gonna be awesome."
posted on 9/7/20
He has too much spirit and fight for Arsenals midfield
posted on 9/7/20
Arteta dropped Ceballos, and told him (fairly publiclally) to get act together. The guy responded well, and is now not only pretty much an automatic starter, but could well either have his loan extended, or gain a permanent move.
Guendouzi has responded in completely the opposite way. TWICE. Yet some people, even those pee'd off about the Ozil situation, seem to think handing power to players who, in the words of Morrissey 'just haven't earned it yet, baby' would be the best thing for the club.
If their posts didn't make me laugh so much, I could really learn to hate some people here.
posted on 9/7/20
Seems to have a childlike bad attitude. He don’t score or assist. He is not a DM and his tackling is not great. So I am not sure what he offers other than energy.
I would sell for as much as possible and move on personally.
If we can shift him for decent money and get Ozil off the wages and perhaps Mustafi then we can start the rebuild in earnest.
posted on 9/7/20
comment by Lucas Northbank (U11643)
posted 21 minutes ago
Seems to have a childlike bad attitude. He don’t score or assist. He is not a DM and his tackling is not great. So I am not sure what he offers other than energy.
I would sell for as much as possible and move on personally.
If we can shift him for decent money and get Ozil off the wages and perhaps Mustafi then we can start the rebuild in earnest.
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Well said that man.
posted on 9/7/20
He's not that good, certainly not enough to be kicking off about not playing if that's the case.
He's a good ball carrier and given time and space can pick a pass but is he any better than Winks or even Joe Allen? I don't think so.
posted on 9/7/20
I just think it's one season too early to make that call. Especially given the added stresses of this season. Also the fact that I think he and Arteta starting off on such a bad footing, is about eighty percent Arteta's fault.
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As lex says, look at ceballos' response Vs guendouzi. Dani is having the best form of his season right now.
posted on 9/7/20
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 5 hours, 5 minutes ago
Arteta dropped Ceballos, and told him (fairly publiclally) to get act together. The guy responded well, and is now not only pretty much an automatic starter, but could well either have his loan extended, or gain a permanent move.
Guendouzi has responded in completely the opposite way. TWICE. Yet some people, even those pee'd off about the Ozil situation, seem to think handing power to players who, in the words of Morrissey 'just haven't earned it yet, baby' would be the best thing for the club.
If their posts didn't make me laugh so much, I could really learn to hate some people here.
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posted on 9/7/20
Spot on Lex
posted on 9/7/20
Am I the only one who has to scroll past WB2's comments? The ramblings of an OCD (Ozil Compulsive Disorder) madman.
posted on 9/7/20
comment by Lexington 125.2 (U8879)
posted 7 hours, 57 minutes ago
Arteta dropped Ceballos, and told him (fairly publiclally) to get act together. The guy responded well, and is now not only pretty much an automatic starter, but could well either have his loan extended, or gain a permanent move.
Guendouzi has responded in completely the opposite way. TWICE. Yet some people, even those pee'd off about the Ozil situation, seem to think handing power to players who, in the words of Morrissey 'just haven't earned it yet, baby' would be the best thing for the club.
If their posts didn't make me laugh so much, I could really learn to hate some people here.
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Hopefully loan with option to buy at the end of next season at a fair price with some future performance related addons.
He still has to prove long term consistency and ability against top teams but looks the real deal lately.
posted on 9/7/20
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Seems to have a childlike bad attitude. He don’t score or assist. He is not a DM and his tackling is not great.
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Apart from these minor failings, Guendouzi is an outstanding talent!
posted on 9/7/20
Gendouzis former coach has also stated his attitude is really bad, but is extremely talented. What’s going to happen is that Gendouzi is going to end up as a journeymen because no coach wants this sort of personality around the team.
posted on 10/7/20
comment by Tu Meke - He'sGotRedHair! (U3732)
posted 1 day, 9 hours ago
I just think it's one season too early to make that call. Especially given the added stresses of this season. Also the fact that I think he and Arteta starting off on such a bad footing, is about eighty percent Arteta's fault.
===
As lex says, look at ceballos' response Vs guendouzi. Dani is having the best form of his season right now.
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Ceballos wasn't here busting his ass for one season already, doing great, at times carrying this team. I'm not saying Guen earned the right to do what he likes. But last season he DID earn more respect/gametime. than he's been shown this one. From his perspective, he shows up, has a blinding year playing loads. Then for no apparent reason, other than deluded fanboys biyatching the Ozil must come back, he's benched. Barely gets a look in all season, whilst the team tanks. Then Arteta rocks up, clearly focused on only his TBE due to age bad points, with apparently absolutely NO consideration of all his good ones. As said before, WHILST tolerating weeks of Ozil's crap. The playing of Ozil for WEEKS first, is a huge factor in my thoughts on this. Since I see Guen as only having been out to accommodate returning Ozil for a 100% PREDICTIBLE sweet f a. And that having a direct impact on how he has behaved.
You guys are misunderstanding me as saying "Just put up with Guen's crap and let him do what he wants." When that's nowhere near it. What I'm saying is there's WAYS of dealing with people. And for this particular person this aint it! Disciplining a team, a "One size fits all" approach, is FLAWED! Because what works to get the best from one player, is/can be utterly counterproductive with another. Some players need a drill sergeant where others need a nanny. The key to team management is knowing which is which. JUST LIKE VIERA...
Guendouzi needs a nanny. So instead on selling him and letting a craptonne of future money walk out the door for another team to make. Arteta wants to stop feckin around playing drill sergeant! Especially since the drill sergeant he;s playing, didn't have the balls to yell at Ozil FIRST! It's bad enough we have a histioty of selling our best senior players. Now people want us to start flogging of our quality youngsters too. Hardly the way to go about building a bright future now is it.
posted on 11/7/20
What a load of crap. Guendouzi has never carried us. A few good performances, that's it.
- You're talking as if guendouzi has been frozen out from the start. He started the first 2 games after the restart. What did he do?
- It's honestly insane how you've managed to slip your ozil obsession into this discussion. Ozil has since been frozen out and you're still managing to biiitch about him.
- I take your point about managing different personalities but don't think it applies here. Guendouzi is at the very least an immature brat who needs to learn some discipline. You can literally see his ill discipline when he's playing. Maybe a change in his off the pitch attitude will help him on the pitch?
posted on 11/7/20
Also you managed to sneak Vieira's name in there, god knows for what reason though.
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