Totally forgotten there are no fans in the ground when watching games so don't see the problem.

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I read about the antibody issue this morning, but it also says there is mounting evidence suggesting that t-cells (whatever they are) may play an important role in fighting the disease. It might be that the key to successfully protecting ourselves against this virus lies elsewhere.

In the meantime, better not to completely lose our heads and keep exercising a bit of personal responsibility, regardless of governments imposing stricter or more lenient regulations. Most of America decided to throw caution to the wind, and it doesn't seem to be working out too well for them.

Blue in the face, take care you are not literally blue in face. Just quoting latest discoveries and their implications. Hope I can still blow hard this time next year, there are thousands who can't blow at all but I suppose that is crap.

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comment by Blue in the face ⚽️ (U22288)
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Usual coronavirus crap from panicked blowhards. 1 star, you are lucky to have it.
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Blue in the face, take care you are not literally blue in face. Just quoting latest discoveries and their implications. Hope I can still blow hard this time next year, there are thousands who can't blow at all but I suppose that is crap.
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I am tired of scaremongering, however well articulately argued.
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Exactly

If others are totally paranoid and can’t live their life without fear or being dictated to, then you lot carry on, just don’t expect me to accommodate you in any way whatsoever, I’m not gonna change jack-sh!t In order to pamper to needs of the gullible and hyper-sensitive paranoid

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I am tired of scaremongering, however well articulately argued.
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Sick of being told I can't drink and drive just in case I might ram into a group of school kids on a pedestrian crossing. Fecking scaremongers.

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Blue in the face, take care you are not literally blue in face. Just quoting latest discoveries and their implications. Hope I can still blow hard this time next year, there are thousands who can't blow at all but I suppose that is crap.
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I am tired of scaremongering, however well articulately argued.
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Exactly

If others are totally paranoid and can’t live their life without fear or being dictated to, then you lot carry on, just don’t expect me to accommodate you in any way whatsoever, I’m not gonna change jack-sh!t In order to pamper to needs of the gullible and hyper-sensitive paranoid


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And this here is the reason people continue to die from this virus. Folks who basically don't give a feck about any else but themselves. Well done

As far as I know there is no case yet reported in the world of anyone having a second infection from this virus. Antibodies seem to have little role in the case of this virus. Despite only a small proportion developing antibodies, infection rates have fallen in all countries affected most severely, and have continued to fall despite easing of lockdown measures. Also, the severity of infections has reduced. It is now estimated that 4 out of every 5 testing positive have no symptoms at all. The proportion of those infected who require intensive care and who die has reduced and continues to reduce.

The idea of a mask is not to protect the wearer but to stop the wearer spreading it. The risk of transmission is much lower outdoors. Nothing in life is ever zero risk but the overall risks of dying from this virus are getting smaller each day. "Expected" deaths in the population are now back to their pre-Covid levels for example.

"Dying for the club" is a ludicrous way to put it in this context. If the incidence of the virus in the population is around 1 in every 5,000 then in a full Pride Park there would currently be half a dozen carrying it. By September this will be 2 or 3. The chance of actually catching it from these people in an outdoor environment is very small. In any "normal" year you might catch flu from someone near you which might kill you, or some other infectious agent, or the stress of the game might give you a heart attack or a stroke. If you stay at home and never go out then at some point you will still get an illness of some sort that will take you away. If you sit in the sunshine in your garden maybe the UV will give you malignant melanoma.

A year ago, if anyone suggested that they daren't go to the match because they might get fatally stung by a bee or struck by lightning then someone like Scouse would suggest that they need to give their head a wobble. There has to be a point at which life resumes as it did before, in the knowledge that tiny risks are everywhere in life. Obviously there is sense for all of us in generally observing good hygiene in the long term. E Coli, C Diff, other nasty bugs are all spread by contamination and these can kill you, so maybe being less blase about cleanliness might be one good thing to come out of this.

Maybe masks will make some people feel reassured about large gatherings but if so, what would the criteria be for saying we don't need to bother with them any more? The virus is unlikely ever going to be gone completely in the same way that every other virus and bacterium except smallpox has never been eradicated entirely. Its relative importance will shrink and be comparable to any number of other infectious agents. We must learn to live with it.

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comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 22 minutes ago

As far as I know there is no case yet reported in the world of anyone having a second infection from this virus. Antibodies seem to have little role in the case of this virus. Despite only a small proportion developing antibodies, infection rates have fallen in all countries affected most severely, and have continued to fall despite easing of lockdown measures. Also, the severity of infections has reduced. It is now estimated that 4 out of every 5 testing positive have no symptoms at all. The proportion of those infected who require intensive care and who die has reduced and continues to reduce.

The idea of a mask is not to protect the wearer but to stop the wearer spreading it. The risk of transmission is much lower outdoors. Nothing in life is ever zero risk but the overall risks of dying from this virus are getting smaller each day. "Expected" deaths in the population are now back to their pre-Covid levels for example.

"Dying for the club" is a ludicrous way to put it in this context. If the incidence of the virus in the population is around 1 in every 5,000 then in a full Pride Park there would currently be half a dozen carrying it. By September this will be 2 or 3. The chance of actually catching it from these people in an outdoor environment is very small. In any "normal" year you might catch flu from someone near you which might kill you, or some other infectious agent, or the stress of the game might give you a heart attack or a stroke. If you stay at home and never go out then at some point you will still get an illness of some sort that will take you away. If you sit in the sunshine in your garden maybe the UV will give you malignant melanoma.

A year ago, if anyone suggested that they daren't go to the match because they might get fatally stung by a bee or struck by lightning then someone like Scouse would suggest that they need to give their head a wobble. There has to be a point at which life resumes as it did before, in the knowledge that tiny risks are everywhere in life. Obviously there is sense for all of us in generally observing good hygiene in the long term. E Coli, C Diff, other nasty bugs are all spread by contamination and these can kill you, so maybe being less blase about cleanliness might be one good thing to come out of this.

Maybe masks will make some people feel reassured about large gatherings but if so, what would the criteria be for saying we don't need to bother with them any more? The virus is unlikely ever going to be gone completely in the same way that every other virus and bacterium except smallpox has never been eradicated entirely. Its relative importance will shrink and be comparable to any number of other infectious agents. We must learn to live with it.

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Problem is that some people don't live with it Vidal. Now I know only a small percentage of those who catch it are going to die but not many people will want to gamble that they aren't in that group. Plus reading that many survivors are still having health problems 3 months after being discharged as the disease attacks other parts of the body other than the respiratory system.

The risk ratings put going to sporting events at the highest risk along with going to pubs and restaurants. Personally I am not going to doing any of these activities unless I feel adequate measures have been taken to reduce the risks. Going to a crowded football ground in winter is a risk too far for me and I suspect many others.

comment by lastapostleofvidal (U1491)
posted 26 minutes ago
As far as I know there is no case yet reported in the world of anyone having a second infection from this virus. Antibodies seem to have little role in the case of this virus. Despite only a small proportion developing antibodies, infection rates have fallen in all countries affected most severely, and have continued to fall despite easing of lockdown measures. Also, the severity of infections has reduced. It is now estimated that 4 out of every 5 testing positive have no symptoms at all. The proportion of those infected who require intensive care and who die has reduced and continues to reduce.

The idea of a mask is not to protect the wearer but to stop the wearer spreading it. The risk of transmission is much lower outdoors. Nothing in life is ever zero risk but the overall risks of dying from this virus are getting smaller each day. "Expected" deaths in the population are now back to their pre-Covid levels for example.

"Dying for the club" is a ludicrous way to put it in this context. If the incidence of the virus in the population is around 1 in every 5,000 then in a full Pride Park there would currently be half a dozen carrying it. By September this will be 2 or 3. The chance of actually catching it from these people in an outdoor environment is very small. In any "normal" year you might catch flu from someone near you which might kill you, or some other infectious agent, or the stress of the game might give you a heart attack or a stroke. If you stay at home and never go out then at some point you will still get an illness of some sort that will take you away. If you sit in the sunshine in your garden maybe the UV will give you malignant melanoma.

A year ago, if anyone suggested that they daren't go to the match because they might get fatally stung by a bee or struck by lightning then someone like Scouse would suggest that they need to give their head a wobble. There has to be a point at which life resumes as it did before, in the knowledge that tiny risks are everywhere in life. Obviously there is sense for all of us in generally observing good hygiene in the long term. E Coli, C Diff, other nasty bugs are all spread by contamination and these can kill you, so maybe being less blase about cleanliness might be one good thing to come out of this.

Maybe masks will make some people feel reassured about large gatherings but if so, what would the criteria be for saying we don't need to bother with them any more? The virus is unlikely ever going to be gone completely in the same way that every other virus and bacterium except smallpox has never been eradicated entirely. Its relative importance will shrink and be comparable to any number of other infectious agents. We must learn to live with it.

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It has been a text-book effort by most governments to scare us all to death, so much so, many people are still not happy to venture out. As you point out Vidal, the risks are now very low and, as risk is not absolute only relative, so I am happy with this risk and want to get back to a semblance of normality as soon as we can.

If the wearing of a mask assuages people’s fears to go out and spend money than that is a different argument. Unless mandated to wear one, I shall give them a berth and practice the good hygiene methods which are far more effective than a token chin-strap.

If Louis Vuitton do one though, I may have to reconsider this stance.

If the wearing of a mask assuages peoples fears to go out and spend money than that is a different arguement.

Not sure what happened there!

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comment by Blue in the face ⚽️ (U22288)
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comment by Spart-Derby really are the best says red dog. (U4603)
posted 2 minutes ago
Blue in the face, take care you are not literally blue in face. Just quoting latest discoveries and their implications. Hope I can still blow hard this time next year, there are thousands who can't blow at all but I suppose that is crap.
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I am tired of scaremongering, however well articulately argued.
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Exactly

If others are totally paranoid and can’t live their life without fear or being dictated to, then you lot carry on, just don’t expect me to accommodate you in any way whatsoever, I’m not gonna change jack-sh!t In order to pamper to needs of the gullible and hyper-sensitive paranoid


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And this here is the reason people continue to die from this virus. Folks who basically don't give a feck about any else but themselves. Well done
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Hardly, I care about delayed cancer treatments, deferred operations, mass unemployed, suicides, domestic abuse, children losing out on education, and increases in obesity and depression.
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And you going against the scientific advice fixes those issues? What a hero.
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No such thing as "the scientific advice" - there is not one uniform approach approved and recognised by every country and institution.
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So you pick and choose those that suits you. Can you show me the institutions and country's that say not to change jack sh*t and go about things exactly as you want?
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Exactly it. Nobody is saying stop living. But nope, I won't change my ways for this virus. How feckin dumb. All the issue you raise will be helped significantly once the virus has been dealt with but that can't happen while morons carry on without a care. Stop the spread and this thing ends, carry on as normal then it doesn't, it is that simple

Still not seen a single logical argument for governments wanting to scare the public? In what way is that a benefit to anyone? The government want the economy back to normal more than anyone ffs

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comment by Cinciwolf----JA606 NFL Fantasy Champion 2019----No Emotional Attachments....five long years (U11551)
posted 2 minutes ago
Still not seen a single logical argument for governments wanting to scare the public? In what way is that a benefit to anyone? The government want the economy back to normal more than anyone ffs
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Not suggesting that scaring folks was the plan, but it certainly is the result.