The ‘udders ref was obviously in the play offs.

Late not Kate, I hate typing on an iPad.😡

WBA away

Reading away in January was the killer for me

To score a goal in the 96th minute to go 0:1 up, only then throw it away by conceding a 97th equaliser, that absolutely gut wrenching

Thanks for the WBA, it was our only shot on target. 😁

I know what you mean about Reading, but nothing trumps the Sheep’s equaliser, and I believe we are still suffering from that hangover.

comment by reddave (U8660)
posted less than a minute ago
I know what you mean about Reading, but nothing trumps the Sheep’s equaliser, and I believe we are still suffering from that hangover.
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Derby’s didn’t massively bother me -

The Teafing one followed again by Reading 2 weeks later, followed by Millwall really hurt me, because in that point we’re we’re like 4 points off the automatic places

They could have propelled our season forward instead of phannying around in the PlayoffsThe Derby equaliser didn’t really make much difference because by that point we were never going to make automatic

I actually think we go into added time almost expecting to concede, as a fan I certainly expect us too. One thing for sure, if the ball isn’t in our box they ain’t going to score, quite simple really, it’s called game management, something we don’t seem to understand.

I watched the game on iFollow and I thought Barnsley played with haste and purpose. Consequently we struggled to get a hold of the game (and the ball). They’ve just held Leeds for over 90 minutes and are a team that are just lacking the end product. They ran us ragged tbh.

The problem Red is most teams are doing that to us, especially if we aren’t at full strength.

I think Lamouchi has been poor since the restart. He has not rotated his squad well enough; not used decent players he has at his disposal enough (Bostock, Mighten, Carvalho). He has also been to cautious and allowed the opposition to dictate to us in too many games.

He has also been to cautious and allowed the opposition to dictate to us in too many games.
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That’s an understatement

comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
The quality and resources at hand for our club Is immense, and puts other clubs to shame, yet they’ve outplayed us and made us look inept at times

Anyone else with an ounce of understanding would be able to walk this Division with the squad and resources that have been invested in this team

The manager will see that all too well if we begin next season like we’ve played the majority of this one

He’ll be sacked by Christmas irrespective of what Division we’re in
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I just don’t agree with this Rev. I think we have over achieved. We don’t have a good enough team or squad to attack our way out of this division. I don’t think there are any other managers who could do any better.

This is how we have been all season. We have edged games where there was very little in it. It’s also a season where many of the better teams have definitely underachieved such as Fulham and Derby. We have also been as lucky as I have seen us for a long time. We certainly got some results we didn’t deserve through luck.

But we have played well as a team and defended pretty well generally. I don’t think we have the midfield to play a better game. Players like Silva and Carvalho are not good enough. They don’t get enough goals or assists for their position. I think Sabri has got the best of this squad personally.

comment by reds_are_everywhere (U9547)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
The quality and resources at hand for our club Is immense, and puts other clubs to shame, yet they’ve outplayed us and made us look inept at times

Anyone else with an ounce of understanding would be able to walk this Division with the squad and resources that have been invested in this team

The manager will see that all too well if we begin next season like we’ve played the majority of this one

He’ll be sacked by Christmas irrespective of what Division we’re in
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I just don’t agree with this Rev. I think we have over achieved. We don’t have a good enough team or squad to attack our way out of this division. I don’t think there are any other managers who could do any better.

This is how we have been all season. We have edged games where there was very little in it. It’s also a season where many of the better teams have definitely underachieved such as Fulham and Derby. We have also been as lucky as I have seen us for a long time. We certainly got some results we didn’t deserve through luck.

But we have played well as a team and defended pretty well generally. I don’t think we have the midfield to play a better game. Players like Silva and Carvalho are not good enough. They don’t get enough goals or assists for their position. I think Sabri has got the best of this squad personally.
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I think if you compare like for like our squad/investment/resources with any other in this League, we’d be in the top 5 no doubt whatsoever

The fact that we’ve edged games rather that dictated them has been largely down to the tactics and set up from the management - we have some of the best players in the league and have spent more than most others

It’s sad to say, but if we’d have someone like Warnock or someone else with his nouse, we’d have walked this league this season - our manger has done OK, but he’s been far too cautious and defensive for my liking, and we’ve been holding on in games purely because we haven’t had that killer instinct, and allowed teams to attack us again and again

Just my opinion of course

comment by reds_are_everywhere (U9547)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by 🇬🇧 ThE ReVoLuTiOn Is HeRe 🇬🇧 (U22182)
posted 3 hours, 47 minutes ago
The quality and resources at hand for our club Is immense, and puts other clubs to shame, yet they’ve outplayed us and made us look inept at times

Anyone else with an ounce of understanding would be able to walk this Division with the squad and resources that have been invested in this team

The manager will see that all too well if we begin next season like we’ve played the majority of this one

He’ll be sacked by Christmas irrespective of what Division we’re in
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I just don’t agree with this Rev. I think we have over achieved. We don’t have a good enough team or squad to attack our way out of this division. I don’t think there are any other managers who could do any better.

This is how we have been all season. We have edged games where there was very little in it. It’s also a season where many of the better teams have definitely underachieved such as Fulham and Derby. We have also been as lucky as I have seen us for a long time. We certainly got some results we didn’t deserve through luck.

But we have played well as a team and defended pretty well generally. I don’t think we have the midfield to play a better game. Players like Silva and Carvalho are not good enough. They don’t get enough goals or assists for their position. I think Sabri has got the best of this squad personally.
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And it’s those creatives that are absent from the game plan (whatever that is). We can’t just defend heroically because we’re trusting to good fortune.

Some really well made points, but if you concede 6 goals in 8 games in added time there is something fundamentally wrong, with both the players and managers mentality. SB said after today’s defeat ‘ they wanted it more than us ‘, he had the opportunity to make 5 subs, basically half the team, identify the ones ‘who don’t want it enough’ and replace them with those that do, That is what the manager is paid for. He like the players appear a bitlike rabbits in headlights when it comes to added time. The comments he made today will not go down well with Marinakis.

Funny old game.

Sabri Lamouchi. A lovely fellow, but you can only merdemaison your way across the Championship so far.

To start, after 20 unending years of abject failure, all that matters is ending this misery. If Lamouchi can get this squad promoted playing 9 CBs and Grabban with a single goal attempt per game, I'll personally stuff the beautiful game in a sack and gleefully drown it in the Trent.

Having been removed from the UK at an early age, have always been impressed by completely unfounded, evidence denying, English optimism, inevitably followed by immediate implosion. Like this season. By all objective standards, and as a spectacle, Forest's football this season has been dire - football by strangulation - redeemed only by Grabban's goal conjuring out of nothing.

Lamouchi. Lovely fellow. But like Karanka, a disciple of Mourinho whose prime objective is not to concede, and to hope for the best after that. That ship has sailed and sunk, and the game has moved on. Even if Forest find a way to get promoted, with Lamouchi's footballing philosophy they are going to get killed, even if they improve the squad. That said, would still rather spend a year being crushed by Mid East oil money than toiling for a 22nd year in obscurity.

comment by Igor la cloche de plongée et le papillion (U22200)
posted about a minute ago
Funny old game.
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Yeah hilarious

You say the same every year though Rev? Not just you of course, plenty of others have that opinion and it’s fair enough. But it can’t be that easy to walk the league? As we get nowhere near it. If we got warnock we might do better but no chance we walk the league.

But I don’t agree our investment means we should be walking the league at all. It doesn’t compare to teams like Fulham, Leeds and WBA. We have no chance of finishing above them. We are never in the hunt for the big players. We are feeding on the scraps or the untried foreigners. Next year will be even harder with the teams coming down.

Touching.

You keep having a little belly tickle laughing that the Super Rams ACTUALLY finished below you for once.

I'm not sure you'd get 10pts next season.

Probably draws if you manage it.

Imagine those scenes.

Are you really that desperate for someone to take another one of your records, ain’t going to happen. 😁

Barnsley had to win. They nearly beat Leeds and will no doubt now beat Brentford.

Forest didn’t have to win. They’d have liked to have won...hence why we tried something new with the 9 CB approach highlighted above.

Missing Samba, Cash and Lolley didn’t help either.

It’s not the end of the world. Losing to
Stoke and losing out on GD is.

Lamouchi got us here with his signings making the difference. Samba, Ribeiro and Sow. Whilst, proving us all wrong on Watson and making Cash a RB. Oh...and we’re 5th. Not bad imo for a first season.

We have no idea who we’ll play if we finish 5th or 6th, outside of one of Brentford, Fulham or WBA. So, as long as we finish in a play off spot then I don’t care if Barnsley now stay up.

Is it attitude though, or tactics, your injury time heartbreak?

You're an reactive, anti football unit similar to Moo and Karanka. Opposition managers are wary of your counter, so usually leave a man back when attacking. Which makes for a stalemate of a game until either team makes a mistake or both managers are happy to settle for a draw.

The last 5 plus injury time, if chasing a win or a point, managers sacrifice defensive caution for an attacking option. Thus you have an extra man to mark, its easier to create overloads and get more men in the box. Not sure if it's attitude but more mathematics.

Judging by your position Lambrusco has got you more points than you've lost by setting up this way. Looking at your home record too, it might hint that you aren't that good at playing creatively.

It's boring, suffocating and stultifying football but it is quite effective. What would you prefer a team that plays exciting, attacking football but takes several years to build or a well coached, built-in-a-pre-season 'parasite' team living off the spaces created by teams willing to have a go?

I think your owner has opted for the latter.

comment by 2 Wellies (U6713)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
Is it attitude though, or tactics, your injury time heartbreak?

You're an reactive, anti football unit similar to Moo and Karanka. Opposition managers are wary of your counter, so usually leave a man back when attacking. Which makes for a stalemate of a game until either team makes a mistake or both managers are happy to settle for a draw.

The last 5 plus injury time, if chasing a win or a point, managers sacrifice defensive caution for an attacking option. Thus you have an extra man to mark, its easier to create overloads and get more men in the box. Not sure if it's attitude but more mathematics.

Judging by your position Lambrusco has got you more points than you've lost by setting up this way. Looking at your home record too, it might hint that you aren't that good at playing creatively.

It's boring, suffocating and stultifying football but it is quite effective. What would you prefer a team that plays exciting, attacking football but takes several years to build or a well coached, built-in-a-pre-season 'parasite' team living off the spaces created by teams willing to have a go?

I think your owner has opted for the latter.
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In one season I don't think you have much choice.

Just as the team gets slightly used to playing better together, you manage to secure a play-off spot.

Do you play attacking football such as Brentfoird, which as you say, is built up over years. Or, do you play to your strengths....however boring that might appear.

I'd expect any team with a manager in place for less than a year, 20-25 arrivals / departures and no parachute payments to do the same.

It may not be pretty, but we'll see how effective it is when it counts.