comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 6 hours, 19 minutes ago
Our recruitment would be good regardless of Klopp. The choice of areas to improve and the direction of what type of player to get in is where we credit him. He doesn't have the "you can get whatever you want" that pep, ole and lampard currently enjoy. But he has been backed by the owners- though he has earned their continued trust in that regard. Our spending ramped up when he got us CL football and then rocketed when he showed signs of challenging. He didn't JUST buy success but buying is necessary to progress in football.
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Out spending rocketed up when we lost coutinho and karius lost his head. Our recruitment will be good regardless of klopp? U already forgot our owners recruiting comolli and that moneyball mess ?
comment by Buggerof (U1250)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
Has any other manager been as successful spending so little in recent years?
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You cannot be this thick.
You cannot seriously think that because he recouped £327m he's only spent £74m.
The £410m was still actually spent.
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Whether you think they were good players or not its still 327million worth of talent lost. So yes net spend is important. Theres a huge difference in spending big without losing players and spending big losing players.
Id rather we added vvd and alisson without losing our best player. Like City would but fact is we dont sign either without selling cout.
Wont spend fack all again this season unlrss someones sold.
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 3 hours ago
Remember we sold Stewart to Hull for 8mil and got robertson from them for 4 mil more.
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Think it was 8m with addons to 10m stewart was 6m with addons to 8m or sumin. A guy we took from spurs for free.
Only £401 Million?
The figure is actually £1.5Billion, but let’s not let facts get in the way of a good story.
He’s blatantly a chequebook manager and one of the biggest culprits.
The figure is actually £1.5Billion, but let’s not let facts get in the way of a good story.
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What?
comment by 8===Divock* (U22339)
posted 12 hours, 28 minutes ago
To say Klopp bought those players is very naive. I seem to remember Fabinho being one he didn’t want. So glad he’s managed to change the gaffer’s mind
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What makes you think Koop didn’t want him?
comment by Neo- PL CHAMPIONS (U9135)
posted 31 minutes ago
The figure is actually £1.5Billion, but let’s not let facts get in the way of a good story.
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What?
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I’m going to go and make a cuppa and wait for this absolute mef to explain this £1.5B claim!
Klopp is a chequebook manager, he has spent £401 million, that is all you need to know.
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 9 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Our recruitment would be good regardless of Klopp. The choice of areas to improve and the direction of what type of player to get in is where we credit him. He doesn't have the "you can get whatever you want" that pep, ole and lampard currently enjoy. But he has been backed by the owners- though he has earned their continued trust in that regard. Our spending ramped up when he got us CL football and then rocketed when he showed signs of challenging. He didn't JUST buy success but buying is necessary to progress in football.
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whoa just one minute. what did we do under rodgers.
klopps requirement for attitude and ethics is massive.
of course the owners and edwards et al have all come together in a happy team pulling in the one direction behind klopp. getting rid of ayre may have played a part in that.
the fact is people talk net spend bit they rarely look deep enough into the amount of fees that spending and contracts shovel down the throat of agents. that 400mil will have another 100mil to 200mil in fees along the way be it signing on fees or handling fees etc. remember selling players also requires agents cuts.
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Remeber hiw we were all slating the "transfer commitee" at Liverpool. Turns out most of the players they biught where a success. But let's face it, it really took off once klopp became manager. Rodgers was just starting out and did not jave the pull of klopp. Put it this way, when virgil was pursued by klopp and pep he chose klopp. I can not imagine that happening with rodgers in charge
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errrrr nope. most of the players the so called committee bought poorly in general. The "committee" had ayre, rodgers and Edwards along with others form scotuting etc.
we cannot parse off in hindsight those who remained and say they only bought well while others bought badly.
In the end:
2012/13 there's buys like allen and borini that have rodgers' fingerprints all over them. former players. We also bought coutinho and that had to be committee and scouting. Sturrdge was targetted openly enough as a rodgers pick as well, again worked with him at cheslea.
2013/14 Aspas, alberto, ilori all flops. if they were "moneyball" they failed. All lost money. sahko was refeered to by rodgers as a mad man so imo he wasn't directly a rodgers decision but a committee buy on the basis of contract length. That worked out ok as we got money back. Mingolet arrived as well
2014/15 lambert, can, lallana, markovic, lovren, origi, moreno, balotelli, stewart.
Sort that lot out.
Markovic long time scouted, lost 20mil on that one. Pure moneyball.
Origi, again long time scouted.
Moreno dragged on all summe rlike someone needed convincing. again probabaly scouts tracking but again never the right fit mentally. lovely lad though.
stewart, again money ball. again made money
lambert. f knows pre world cup as reserve?
balotelli - rodgers accused "committee" of giving him this option
lallana and lovren. apparently rodgers picks
Can, classic moneyball. contract was running down and had a release. rodgers never used him right, never knew what to do with him.
Summer
Bogdan - like WTF
gomez- recommended by the new assistant manager. who we then sacked
ings - on a free with tribunal. again targetted moneyball
clyne - contract running out. atttitude stunk even then according to saints fans
milner
benteke - signed for rodgers
FIRMINO - signed only cos rodgers got benteke - the ultimate compromise to get in a player
Now go look after this point.
Klopp comes in and things change radically. Ayre is out. Edwards is technical directer after a while and mike gordan ties it together.
Grujic. Moneyball. making money on loan. would be a big transfer profit except for coivd.
matip for the first team
karius for first team
manninger- cos klopp wanted experienced 3rd keeper
mane for the first team
Klavan on klopps word as reserve for 4mil
windy. completely left field signing klopp later explained he'd tracked for years
solanke - more money ball 3mil turned in to 19 by bournemouth
salah for first team - klopp had to be convinced? klopp had final word
Robertson for the first team
Ox - for the first team and for klopp as he said he's watched at dortmuned
VVD - for the first team
Shaqiri - more money ball, a reserve cheap off relegated team can't lost right?
Keita -tracked for years
Allison - for first team to fix karius.
fabinho - the one people never agree on just cos klopp didn't play him immediately
Elliott - tribuanl so again money ball
Adrian the experienced free back up
Van den berg. more classic money ball
minamino - more money ball
The difference is STARK. Klopp is in control, he's listening to his team and they are bringing the options to the table where they see value and potential.
theres no horse trading of completely contrasting styles of players.
There's no grossly over expensive punts on players that won't fit in or work.
The players signed were for the first team and to play in general compared to the rodgers era stuff where people were being signed that had little to no chance to play first team and ran off on loan at the first sign of trouble.
but most of all the hit ratio with klopp is about 90% with rodgers and said committee it was less than 50% and even if you take out anyone called a rodgers man the "committee" signed poorly, bad attitudes, bad fits, unsuited to prem etc.
It just proves to me how you can put the right team together off the pitch where they pull in one direction just like on the pitch.
Other clubs should take note get the off the field team right first and the amount of money needed to get on the field right drops radically.
look at how much money we WASTED. Are we lucky sods or what lol
Seems you ain't got the memo!
You're actually winning things now, you don't need to create trophies that don't exist like net spend.
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posted on 28/7/20
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 6 hours, 19 minutes ago
Our recruitment would be good regardless of Klopp. The choice of areas to improve and the direction of what type of player to get in is where we credit him. He doesn't have the "you can get whatever you want" that pep, ole and lampard currently enjoy. But he has been backed by the owners- though he has earned their continued trust in that regard. Our spending ramped up when he got us CL football and then rocketed when he showed signs of challenging. He didn't JUST buy success but buying is necessary to progress in football.
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Out spending rocketed up when we lost coutinho and karius lost his head. Our recruitment will be good regardless of klopp? U already forgot our owners recruiting comolli and that moneyball mess ?
posted on 28/7/20
comment by Buggerof (U1250)
posted 2 hours, 12 minutes ago
Has any other manager been as successful spending so little in recent years?
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You cannot be this thick.
You cannot seriously think that because he recouped £327m he's only spent £74m.
The £410m was still actually spent.
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Whether you think they were good players or not its still 327million worth of talent lost. So yes net spend is important. Theres a huge difference in spending big without losing players and spending big losing players.
posted on 28/7/20
Id rather we added vvd and alisson without losing our best player. Like City would but fact is we dont sign either without selling cout.
Wont spend fack all again this season unlrss someones sold.
posted on 28/7/20
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 3 hours ago
Remember we sold Stewart to Hull for 8mil and got robertson from them for 4 mil more.
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Think it was 8m with addons to 10m stewart was 6m with addons to 8m or sumin. A guy we took from spurs for free.
posted on 28/7/20
Only £401 Million?
The figure is actually £1.5Billion, but let’s not let facts get in the way of a good story.
He’s blatantly a chequebook manager and one of the biggest culprits.
posted on 28/7/20
The figure is actually £1.5Billion, but let’s not let facts get in the way of a good story.
----
What?
posted on 28/7/20
comment by 8===Divock* (U22339)
posted 12 hours, 28 minutes ago
To say Klopp bought those players is very naive. I seem to remember Fabinho being one he didn’t want. So glad he’s managed to change the gaffer’s mind
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What makes you think Koop didn’t want him?
posted on 28/7/20
comment by Neo- PL CHAMPIONS (U9135)
posted 31 minutes ago
The figure is actually £1.5Billion, but let’s not let facts get in the way of a good story.
----
What?
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I’m going to go and make a cuppa and wait for this absolute mef to explain this £1.5B claim!
posted on 28/7/20
Klopp is a chequebook manager, he has spent £401 million, that is all you need to know.
posted on 28/7/20
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 9 hours, 19 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by KingKenny (U1961)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Our recruitment would be good regardless of Klopp. The choice of areas to improve and the direction of what type of player to get in is where we credit him. He doesn't have the "you can get whatever you want" that pep, ole and lampard currently enjoy. But he has been backed by the owners- though he has earned their continued trust in that regard. Our spending ramped up when he got us CL football and then rocketed when he showed signs of challenging. He didn't JUST buy success but buying is necessary to progress in football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
whoa just one minute. what did we do under rodgers.
klopps requirement for attitude and ethics is massive.
of course the owners and edwards et al have all come together in a happy team pulling in the one direction behind klopp. getting rid of ayre may have played a part in that.
the fact is people talk net spend bit they rarely look deep enough into the amount of fees that spending and contracts shovel down the throat of agents. that 400mil will have another 100mil to 200mil in fees along the way be it signing on fees or handling fees etc. remember selling players also requires agents cuts.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Remeber hiw we were all slating the "transfer commitee" at Liverpool. Turns out most of the players they biught where a success. But let's face it, it really took off once klopp became manager. Rodgers was just starting out and did not jave the pull of klopp. Put it this way, when virgil was pursued by klopp and pep he chose klopp. I can not imagine that happening with rodgers in charge
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errrrr nope. most of the players the so called committee bought poorly in general. The "committee" had ayre, rodgers and Edwards along with others form scotuting etc.
we cannot parse off in hindsight those who remained and say they only bought well while others bought badly.
In the end:
2012/13 there's buys like allen and borini that have rodgers' fingerprints all over them. former players. We also bought coutinho and that had to be committee and scouting. Sturrdge was targetted openly enough as a rodgers pick as well, again worked with him at cheslea.
2013/14 Aspas, alberto, ilori all flops. if they were "moneyball" they failed. All lost money. sahko was refeered to by rodgers as a mad man so imo he wasn't directly a rodgers decision but a committee buy on the basis of contract length. That worked out ok as we got money back. Mingolet arrived as well
2014/15 lambert, can, lallana, markovic, lovren, origi, moreno, balotelli, stewart.
Sort that lot out.
Markovic long time scouted, lost 20mil on that one. Pure moneyball.
Origi, again long time scouted.
Moreno dragged on all summe rlike someone needed convincing. again probabaly scouts tracking but again never the right fit mentally. lovely lad though.
stewart, again money ball. again made money
lambert. f knows pre world cup as reserve?
balotelli - rodgers accused "committee" of giving him this option
lallana and lovren. apparently rodgers picks
Can, classic moneyball. contract was running down and had a release. rodgers never used him right, never knew what to do with him.
Summer
Bogdan - like WTF
gomez- recommended by the new assistant manager. who we then sacked
ings - on a free with tribunal. again targetted moneyball
clyne - contract running out. atttitude stunk even then according to saints fans
milner
benteke - signed for rodgers
FIRMINO - signed only cos rodgers got benteke - the ultimate compromise to get in a player
Now go look after this point.
Klopp comes in and things change radically. Ayre is out. Edwards is technical directer after a while and mike gordan ties it together.
Grujic. Moneyball. making money on loan. would be a big transfer profit except for coivd.
matip for the first team
karius for first team
manninger- cos klopp wanted experienced 3rd keeper
mane for the first team
Klavan on klopps word as reserve for 4mil
windy. completely left field signing klopp later explained he'd tracked for years
solanke - more money ball 3mil turned in to 19 by bournemouth
salah for first team - klopp had to be convinced? klopp had final word
Robertson for the first team
Ox - for the first team and for klopp as he said he's watched at dortmuned
VVD - for the first team
Shaqiri - more money ball, a reserve cheap off relegated team can't lost right?
Keita -tracked for years
Allison - for first team to fix karius.
fabinho - the one people never agree on just cos klopp didn't play him immediately
Elliott - tribuanl so again money ball
Adrian the experienced free back up
Van den berg. more classic money ball
minamino - more money ball
The difference is STARK. Klopp is in control, he's listening to his team and they are bringing the options to the table where they see value and potential.
theres no horse trading of completely contrasting styles of players.
There's no grossly over expensive punts on players that won't fit in or work.
The players signed were for the first team and to play in general compared to the rodgers era stuff where people were being signed that had little to no chance to play first team and ran off on loan at the first sign of trouble.
but most of all the hit ratio with klopp is about 90% with rodgers and said committee it was less than 50% and even if you take out anyone called a rodgers man the "committee" signed poorly, bad attitudes, bad fits, unsuited to prem etc.
It just proves to me how you can put the right team together off the pitch where they pull in one direction just like on the pitch.
Other clubs should take note get the off the field team right first and the amount of money needed to get on the field right drops radically.
look at how much money we WASTED. Are we lucky sods or what lol
posted on 28/7/20
Seems you ain't got the memo!
You're actually winning things now, you don't need to create trophies that don't exist like net spend.
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